The Sphinx

[LucidElement]

The Sphinx was said to be built by survivors of Atlantis, many many theories have it that the lost city of Atlantis lies beneath the Sphinx's paws at Giza. Patterns of wathering on the Sphinx suggest that many parts of it were erdoded by water, but the area has been desert since before 3,000 bc... -D.K K.I.S.S Unexplained Series.... VERY INTERESTING!!!

[Pete Vanderzwet]

A few years ago I was in Egypt for the 8th International Congress of Egyptologists and noticed a tomb about 100 ft from the sphinx with a small causeway cut into the bedrock which shows identical erosion patterns as the sphinx. This past summer I was excavating in the delta region and returned to Giza on one of my days off, specifically to grab more pictures of this trench. The trench undoubtedly belongs to the old kingdom tomb it is attached to and, as I said, has identical patterns of erosions as the sphinx. The conclusion is obvious. These patterns need not 10,000 years to take place. Both the tomb, and the sphinx, belong to the Old Kingdom. West and Schoch theories are dead in the water.

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[Chanelle_Rose]

I found it very interesting, I had not heard that before. Something to think about.

[vimjams]

Yeah...I also find it interesting.

I really don't understand why some people waste their time being negative...All they have to do is go someplace else and comment about what they do find interesting ?

You don't need to agree with it...I'm sure Pete V doesn't...but it's interesting.

Vimjams

Edited September 17, 2004 by vimjams

[S.J.S.^]

i dont think it was water that done cos if it did then the hole body would be gone if you get my point

[S.J.S.^]

but i did here that they took heat thermal satellite images was takng of the Sphinx and in its head or its feat that sort of area shows high temperature which could be gold and loads of special people have ask to drill the smallest hole in its head and put a micro cam in there but they will not let them cos it could fall apart.

sorry just thought i would share that fact with you lol.

[grc]

The Sphinx was said to be built by survivors of Atlantis, many many theories have it that the lost city of Atlantis lies beneath the Sphinx's paws at Giza. Patterns of wathering on the Sphinx suggest that many parts of it were erdoded by water, but the area has been desert since before 3,000 bc... -D.K K.I.S.S Unexplained Series.... VERY INTERESTING!!!

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1. Who said that The Sphinx was built by survivors from Atlantis? (and the egyptians did what? played scrabble? )

2. How could be the Atlantis beneath the Sphinx's paws at Giza when is supposed has sunk (beeing a continent somewhere between Europe or Africa and US)?

3. I don't find it very interesting but very unreal information.

4. This is just my opinion (pls don't yell ok? )

[aquatus1]

I am unaware that anyone has claimed that the Sphynx was built by Atlanteans, and the only theory concerning the Sphynx's paw is from Edgar Cayce, who said that they would find some scrolls from Atlantis underneath it. There are rumors concerning a room actually being detected there, but I have been unable to find any credible reference to it.

Incidentally, the thermal scan of the Sphynx were conducted to help determine the composition of the stone, which they did. There are three levels of hardness, the softest of which is showing signs of water breakdown from the rains over the years. It looks more dramatic than it should be, especially when compared to the harder limestone making up the heat (and having a greater heat signature). This is where many of the rumors that there was water erosion on the Sphynx came from. Yes, there is, but hardly enough to warrant an entire change in climate. In fact, had it bee a wetter climate, such as England's, the Sphynx could well have crumbled away entirely by now.

[wunarmdscissor]

GRC

No1 knows where atlantis is at all.

Basically everyone and there dog has a theory about where atlantis is.

[grc]

Oh boy...

[LucidElement]

i just read it was built or was helped built by civilians of Atlantis, i thought it was interesting.. But maybe it was just another theory or something, which im sure it was.. but it was in this article on the internet i read on the Sphinx!

[crystal sage]

http://www.labyrinthina.com/sacsayhuaman.htm

Recently in Australia one of the key scientists on the Giza project revealrd the discovery of a vast megalithic metropolis 15,000 years old, reaching several levels below the Giza plateau. While the rest of the world speculate about a hidden chamber under the left paw of the Sphinx, the legendary "City Of The Gods" sprawls beneath the plateau complete with hydraulic underground waterways. Remarkable caches of records and artifacts are rumored to have been found. This legacy of a civilization advanced beyond our own was capable of creating a vast underground city, of which the sphinx and pyramids are merely the surface markers. It has been likened to the impact of contact with an advanced extraterrestrial culture and described as the discovery of the Fourth Root culture, the so-called "Atlantean civilization" destroyed by the last earth upheavel."

http://members.tripod.com/~Ravenwoods/index-55Giza.html

http://www.labyrinthina.com/lightlanguage.htm

More on Hurtak's movie....

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archi...rames;read=3620

http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwat...s-of-the-world/

http://www.metafilter.com/tags/archaeology

Edited October 21, 2007 by crystal sage

[crystal sage]

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/egypt/a...ia-serapeum.htm

?????????

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bkh/rome/5-20-3.htm

http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/saqqara/Saqqa...s/serapeum.html

http://members.tripod.com/~ib205/apis_5.html

More references to at least 2 Sphinx's

http://members.tripod.com/~ib205/apis_5.html

Strabo, the Greek geographer (63BC - AD22), noted that when he visited Egypt that the Apis Bulls were buried in an underground chamber called the Serapeum, at the end of a paved avenue flanked by stone sphinxes which was constantly being buried in sand and was difficult to visit even then.

The tombs of the Apis were lost for centuries until on the 2nd of October 1850 a 29 year old Frenchmen called Auguste Mariette was sent by the Louvre Museum to Egypt to buy Coptic, Ethiopic and Syriac manuscripts. Whilst for the authorities in Egypt to release the documents Mariette gradually noticed many large stone sphinxes decorating the gardens of large houses in Cairo, after many enquiries about the sphinxes he was directed to the necropolis of Saqqara. Walking around the great Step Pyramid complex of Djoser he found a stone sphinx - its head and paws just standing clear of the sand, after commenting on it he was told it was nothing very exciting as many others had been found laying in sand nearby. Fortunately Mariette remembered the words of Strabo and summoned workmen to dig for him - in all 140 sphinxes were found in a wide avenue which after leading a quarter of a mile into the desert a stepped entrance was discovered leading to an underground chamber . . .

Edited October 21, 2007 by crystal sage

[BELOWIM]

THe Mystery of the "SPHINX" There was Never Only One! Hidden Is,Is ?!???....

[bee]

[basically everyone and there dog has a theory about where atlantis is.

Talking about dogs....Robert Temple in his book 'The Sirius Mystery'....2nd edition...

puts forward his theory that the sphinx was actually a DOG....Anubis!

He also has ideas about the 'water erosion'.....the below quote was taken from

this site

QUOTE...(Temple)

If the Sphinx was sitting in a moat for much of its history over thousands of years, this could explain its significant water erosion. The winds on the plateau would have whipped up the water and caused a sloshing motion on countless occasions. This could have been rendered far more erosive by the fact that sand would have blown continually into the water and, in churning with the water, would have had a significant scouring effect on the stone. The moat would have had to be dredged frequently to clear it of the sand, and in the dredging process, great quantities of raised water would pour back down along the sides, not uniformly but at certain points. This corresponds with the observation that the subsurface weathering of the limestone floor of the sphinx pit is greater in some places than others. The fact that there is less sub surface weathering at the rear of the Sphinx could also be explained by the possibility that as the space there is narrow, drifting sand may have regularly accumulated in the water there more readily and to a greater depth, faster than in the more spread-out regions in other directions. It would have been a kind of sand-trap. And the effect would have been to insulate the limestone floor at that point from water action. It should be noted also that the head of the Sphinx is considerably less eroded than the body; the reason for this could be that it was never submerged in water. (If the 'ancient rain' theory were true, the head of the Sphinx would be eroded to the same extent as the body.)

END OF QUOTE....

And more....from same site..

QUOTE (Temple)

As I have already said, I do not subscribe to the 'Atlantis'-theory of a high civilization having existed 12,500 years ago. And I certainly do not believe we can invoke the weathering of the Sphinx to try to prove that the Sphinx dates from that time. I believe that the extraordinary things which happened on our planet occurred much more recently than that. It may be shocking to some people, but to me there is nothing unusual in postulating that an extraterrestrial visitation was responsible for kick-starting high civilization on Earth. It is not really unusual if you believe that the Universe must be filled with life, some of it intelligent. And I believe that that visitation to our planet came from the system of the star Sirius, as the ancient peoples as well as the Dogon have tried to tell us. And since the accounts are of aquatic beings from a watery planet there, it may well be that the reason why the Sphinx -- which I believe to have been a statue of Anubis -- was sitting in water, was because the visitors from the planet in the system of the star Sirius were amphibious. If the chambers said to have been discovered by geologists beneath the Sphinx are filled with water, this may be no accident. If it be true that they are filled with indications or records of some kind, as many enthusiasts of the 'Hall of Records' idea believe (a suggestion made in this book in 1976,by the way), it would make sense that aquatic beings would prefer to leave some traces of that kind in watery chambers rather than in dry ones. And the moat around the Sphinx might then be seen as a simple but brilliant protection device, since only with diving suits could tomb-robbers hope to break in and steal anything preserved in water-filled chambers beneath the Sphinx moat. These chambers, on the other hand, could readily be entered by amphibians. So I put forward the possibility that this was all done by design.

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Anubis....moats....aquatic beings/amphibians....Sirius star system???

Now...this floats MY boat....regarding interesting speculation...

[crystal sage]

A few years ago I was in Egypt for the 8th International Congress of Egyptologists and noticed a tomb about 100 ft from the sphinx with a small causeway cut into the bedrock which shows identical erosion patterns as the sphinx. This past summer I was excavating in the delta region and returned to Giza on one of my days off, specifically to grab more pictures of this trench. The trench undoubtedly belongs to the old kingdom tomb it is attached to and, as I said, has identical patterns of erosions as the sphinx. The conclusion is obvious. These patterns need not 10,000 years to take place. Both the tomb, and the sphinx, belong to the Old Kingdom. West and Schoch theories are dead in the water.

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How old would you say they were then????

[Feanor]

Talking about dogs....Robert Temple in his book 'The Sirius Mystery'....2nd edition...

puts forward his theory that the sphinx was actually a DOG....Anubis!

Anubis is no dog! Call him a dog in front of a Egiptian and you will have lots of troubles.

[Harte]

Talking about dogs....Robert Temple in his book 'The Sirius Mystery'....2nd edition...

puts forward his theory that the sphinx was actually a DOG....Anubis!

He also has ideas about the 'water erosion'.....the below quote was taken from

this site

QUOTE...(Temple)

This corresponds with the observation that the subsurface weathering of the limestone floor of the sphinx pit is greater in some places than others. The fact that there is less sub surface weathering at the rear of the Sphinx could also be explained by the possibility that as the space there is narrow, drifting sand may have regularly accumulated in the water there more readily and to a greater depth, faster than in the more spread-out regions in other directions. It would have been a kind of sand-trap. And the effect would have been to insulate the limestone floor at that point from water action.

(My emphasis.)

Now...this floats MY boat....regarding interesting speculation...

Bee,

"Speculation" is a kind description of the crap being sold at Temple's site.

You would think that any person that wanted to publish even the most untruthful line of bull about the Sphinx would at the very least take a look at the work that has been done there - especially when the work that was done was done by the scientist one intends to embellish on.

See the above bolded text from your quote? Even a cursory glance at Schoch's "Re-Dating the Great Sphinx of Giza" - the original paper he published about erosion on the Sphinx (I believe that was the title) - would show to any reader that the subsurface weathering Schoch found there is caused by exposure to air, not water!

See?:

Subsurface weathering is essentially a mineralogical and petrological change in the rocks that proceeds once the rock surface is exposed to the air or atmosphere (such as occurred when the core body of the Sphinx was excavated), no matter what the climate is like. Loose porous sand piled up in the Sphinx enclosure will not significantly protect the bedrock from this type of weathering. This type of weathering is certainly not caused primarily by rainfall collecting on the rock surface and seeping down. It could even be argued that in some cases a moister climate with periods of standing water on the rock that protects the surface from atmospheric exposure may actually result in a slower rate of this form of subsurface weathering than may occur under dryer conditions.

(My emphases.)

From: Comments (on the Sphinx geology) By Robert Schoch.

Temple is an ignorant idiot. He won't even lift a finger to try and find out the facts of the matter, preferring, apparently, to make these things up as he goes along.

Not that I agree with Schoch, but even Schoch has never placed the carving of the Sphinx in the "Atlantian" era. His best guess is sometime between 4000 to 6000 BCE.

Harte

[bee]

"Speculation" is a kind description of the crap being sold at Temple's site.

Temple is an ignorant idiot. He won't even lift a finger to try and find out the facts of the matter, preferring, apparently, to make these things up as he goes along.

Harte

It is laughable for to describe Robert Temple as an ignorant idiot.

And I wonder why you would do that?

From the sleeve on his book 'The Sirius Mystery'.....

"Robert Temple is the author of nine books which have been translated into 43 languages.

He was associated with the late Joseph Needham of Cambridge University in the field of the

history of Chinese science and wrote the authorised popularisation of Needham's research,

The Genius of China........It's Chinese edition was translated by a team of 34 specialists

under the auspices of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and has been recommended to the

nation's school children.

Temple's verse translation of the Epic of Gilgamesh, He Who Saw Everything, published

in 1991, was performed at the Royal Nationl Theatre in 1993.

Temple is a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and a member of many scholarly societies

............He has a degree in Sanskrit and Oriental Studies.............Temple has published several

scholarly articles about the zoological works of Aristotle including an outline reconstruction from

fragments of Aristotle's lost Major work, Dissections............"

There is more... but this is enough for here.....

He himself says in 'The Sirius Mystery'....2nd edition...hardback...page 30...

"I think we could adopt an unbreakable rule:anyone who insists that what he says is true

is a phoney. The only people to whom one should ever listen are those who suggest things

tentatively, as possibly true."

and

"I want to stress that everything in this book is hypothetical. I have never insisted on the truth

any of it."

I will quote more of what Temple as to say about the Sphinx/Anubis in another post....this one was

to back up the possible merits of the quotes I used a bit earlier in this thread.....

There's no way I'm going to let you get away with calling Temple an 'ignorant idiot'.....

[bee]

Here is more on what Robert Temple has to say about the Sphinx.....

1998...revised edition...hardback...page 11...

"I cannot see any leonine features in the body of the Sphinx, unless one were to say

that because it has four legs and four paws and a tail, it must be a lion.

There is no mane. There are no prominent muscles in the chest above the front legs,

as are often shown in statues of lions. The tail does not have the tuft at the end which lions

have. But most telling of all, the rear haunches do not rise up above the level of the back,

bulging and prominent. The back of the Sphinx's body is straight. But if you look at an

Egyptian hieroglyph of the letter 'r' you see a lion's crouching body in profile and realize

that lions were portrayed in Egypt with huge rear haunches rising well above the line of the

back.

We all say the Sphinx is a lion because we have been told it is a lion............We have

all accepted secondhand information without checking it's validity.........

It looks more like a dog's body! Representations of the god Anubis, who was portrayed

as a canine - probably not actually a jackal (although he is often called a jackal) but is more

probably a dog (from whom the modern Pharaoh Hound is thought to be partially descended)

- show a crouching animal the line of whose back is more or less straight, like that of the

Sphinx. And it's tail often curls round in the same way as that of the Sphinx, and it has no

tuft on the end. Further more it has no mane and no muscled chest.

To me it makes more sense to suggest that the Sphinx was Anubis, and that originally he

was guarding the sacred precinct of the Pyramids at Giza."

Now...Robert Temple isn't claiming that he is 'right'. I'm not claiming that he is 'right'.

But do you know what?.....He very well could be! I think it is a most interesting suggestion.

[drakonwick]

It's interesting how the pic. below looks very much like the sphinx, except for the head.

[bee]

It's interesting how the pic. below looks very much like the sphinx, except for the head.

Thanks for the picture Tom R........

[drakonwick]

Thanks for the picture Tom R........

You're very welcome Bee!

I think by looking at the picture below makes robert temple's theory quite plausible.

[bee]

I think by looking at the picture below makes robert temple's theory quite plausible.

I, too, think that it's plausible...(now there's a surprise...! )

Just another Temple snippit....

The Sirius Mystery...revised edition..hardback...page 12...

" I believe it is inevitably the case that the pyramid complex at Giza has symbolic celestial

importance. And if this be so, then the guardian of the complex should be the Egyptian

Guardian par excellence - Anubis."

[drakonwick]

I, too, think that it's plausible...(now there's a surprise...! )

Just another Temple snippit....

The Sirius Mystery...revised edition..hardback...page 12...

" I believe it is inevitably the case that the pyramid complex at Giza has symbolic celestial

importance. And if this be so, then the guardian of the complex should be the Egyptian

Guardian par excellence - Anubis."

Concidering that the god anubis is a guide for the recently departed as well as a guardian of the dead!

It seems more accurate that the sphinx head could have very well been the head of a jackal "Anubis".

Which it seems that this monument would be better suited to be anubis guarding the great pyramids,

which are in fact burial chambers for the kings of egypt.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Tom R