How to stop the New World Order?

[BlindMessiah]

Yes and No hes not saying the movie is true, but watching the movie started his brain thinking how could people stop such a thing from happening. But it does amaze me that everyone that believe such thoery as the NWO dont have any real point of discussing such things since they all to seem think theres nothing to be done about it. So why does so many threads pop up all saying they have proof of the theory if they all believe theres nothing to do about it then even get to the point of trying to convince people that say its not true, that it is. If it wasnt for skeptics this is how such threads would go.

OP: Heres proof that were all doomed and the elitist are in control of everything.

Post#1 I agree

Post#2 I also agree

Post#3 Its so true

Post#4 Yeap this is happening right now

Dead thread

So believers next time you want to bash us for our point of view remeber that with out both sides theres no full story.

What's the point in debating anything on here? For the sake of finding the truth. I can say with all honesty that I simply want the truth in all issues, to be used for the well being of my fellow man. I hope I'm completely way off base on this NWO theory.

[BlindMessiah]

certainly not by watching movies of course.....

[saturnrings]

What do you mean, 'fictional'?

well.....no i couldn't resist!

movies are a very good indication of whats in the works and not only that, but they put the information under your very nose because they know that you will consider it as a 'fictional'. so, when it happens you will think 'oh gosh oh no...this ain't happening OR oh my ...oh i have seen this before in a movie?'

lol me thinks....watch some more 'fictional' movies and pay attention till the last scene...you may get an idea of what the 'good' guy must do!

my £0.0002

cheers I'm out

Edited September 1, 2008 by saturnrings

[saturnrings]

did you put on your 3D glasses on? lol

[BlindMessiah]

did you put on your 3D glasses on? lol

Always do when watching conspiracy films... it helps me believe the movie is real.

[archangel_josh]

The New World Order is a global agenda, not a single country.

I don't think it can be stopped. If anything it would be to change the people to change the world.

I'm not planning on taking any chips. I'm not planning on rotting in prison. And there it is. First of all, putting aside the immorality of the suggestion, it wouldn't stop anything. The New World Order is a global agenda using world leaders as pawns. Killing a pawn does nothing.

The man in the film was a villain fighting villains. The point of stopping the New World Order is a moral point. Their ideas and goals are immoral. Resorting in violence defeats the point.

If you disagree with the method why suggest killing a president?

WOAH! WOAH! I didn't suggest killing a president at all! I don't want anyone to be killed. I was just suggesting some opinions that people might have in regards to stoping the NWO.

I'm completely non violent and do not advocating the killing of anybody, no matter what they've done or what it might solve.

-Josh

[aquatus1]

Just out of (morbid) curiousity, why is the general assumption always that a NWO is going to be tyrannical?

Why couldn't a NWO be like the Federation from Star Trek (to use another fictional example)?

[Czero 101]

Just out of (morbid) curiousity, why is the general assumption always that a NWO is going to be tyrannical?

Why couldn't a NWO be like the Federation from Star Trek (to use another fictional example)?

Because then the CT'ers wouldn't have anything to panic themselves about...

Cz

[BlindMessiah]

Because then the CT'ers wouldn't have anything to panic themselves about...

Cz

Yep... I'm in a state of terror and panic. Pray for me.

[archangel_josh]

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I'm looking at the part in bold, and I can't help but ask.....

How, exactly, can it possibly seem to you that western society as it currently stands is "not too far" from the society in V For Vendetta?

Also, what is this "New World Order," I've never heard any serious mention of it before; only mentioned by conspiracy theorist wackos. And if you're referring to said wacko conspiracy theory, doesn't this belong on the conspiracy theory board (rather than here)?

Have you not seen the governments disregard for basic human rights? Yes, this has been going on for a long time, but more recently, the post September 11 changes?

Can't you see that the USA have been planning this all along - what happens in America happens around the world. Changes in their policy effects us and the way our governments run us.

The use fear to control us. Couple this with the 'terrorists did it and we will look after you' mentality, we are only a few years away from the society of V for Vendetta. The impending war with Iran, plus the failing economy, can only make the following 'orders' even more necessary for the government to take control.

See here their orders here:

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for

nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:…

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be

abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increasedinternational tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983

conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a “new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and

military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global

audience in times of crisis.” FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the…

National Security Act of 1947 allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916 authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

[archangel_josh]

Interesting.

So how are those comparable to the events in V For Vendetta? You know, like...

- government-ordered mass executions of....well...literally everyone in that country who is not a white heterosexual follower of one specific government-owned church?

- a nuclear war set off primarily by the USA that caused 90% of the world's population (human and animal) to either die or be thrown back to the dark ages?

- a government that frees dangerous and psychotic criminals and then offers them jobs as the entirety of their police force, cutting them loose to do whatever the hell they see fit, to whoever they see?

- a government that institutes a nation-wide curfew and allows said criminals to do whatever they want to anyone they see out on the streets after dark for any reason?

- a government that has completely removed the need for any sort of trial, let alone a fair one?

Etc.

Well, OBVIOUSLY I didn't mean that everything in that film will happen. I meant the basic premise of the film. But it's interesting that you highlight these points, because this could possibly happen.

- government-ordered mass executions of....well...literally everyone in that country who is not a white heterosexual follower of one specific government-owned church?

The governments detain anyone they don't like - anyone who is seen to be 'trouble'. All they need do is label them a 'terrorist' and the population will give the g'ment their full support. Recently, here in Australia, the government paid for the Pope to come to Australia with taxpayers money and they enacted a law stating that any protesters will be arrested. This sounds very much like the point you mentioned. Yes, they used the excuses of 'We don't want people to get hurt', but I was there protesting peacefully with signs and t-shirts alongside many others. It was a scare tactic to reduce the amount of opposition.

- a nuclear war set off primarily by the USA that caused 90% of the world's population (human and animal) to either die or be thrown back to the dark ages?

The world economy is failing, and the hardest hit is America. When a country feels threatened, when its power is dying - what's a better way to drive the economy back up? War. They will always point the finger (they are doing it with Iran right now) to divert attention and to drive the war business up. As we know, Iran have nuclear weapons now. And Russia do. Both are allied against the USA. Israel have nuclear weapons and are allied with USA. You see the trend here? The ancient fight between the arabs and the jews. The World War fight of Russia V USA. Nuclear war is very very possible.

- a government that frees dangerous and psychotic criminals and then offers them jobs as the entirety of their police force, cutting them loose to do whatever the hell they see fit, to whoever they see?

Well, they government dont free criminals - but those in power are guilty of criminal behaviour.

- a government that institutes a nation-wide curfew and allows said criminals to do whatever they want to anyone they see out on the streets after dark for any reason?

Again, a curfew is possible in 'war time' conditions.

- a government that has completely removed the need for any sort of trial, let alone a fair one?

Even if we have a 'trial' it will always be biased. We are living under the illusion of freedom. The best way to keep people in their prison is to make them think that they're free.

-josh

[archangel_josh]

If you are wondering how to stop a government from controlling your little ever but so priceless life then you might as well give it up because they're already doing if from day to day. Ever wonder how come the gas prices go up and down so fast and so high but never real low? Or how the media can always change up something that you hear on the news one minute being breaking news and then the next day or two it's solved easily. Who you vote for, what kind of music you listen to, how you think about life in general. The answer truely remains at the center of it all and only answer to the problem or problems if you will....the answer lies only in the eyes and soul of the beholder....in short, the answer lies in the mirror.

You are so so right! The New World Order is already in effect and has been for a long time. We live under the illusion of 'freedom', whereas we really don't have any.

They will never admit that its a totalitarian state - they will say that all of these new rules are for our protection (which they have been saying since the beginning!).

-Josh

[archangel_josh]

Just out of (morbid) curiousity, why is the general assumption always that a NWO is going to be tyrannical?

Why couldn't a NWO be like the Federation from Star Trek (to use another fictional example)?

I'm of the opinion that a New World Order IS good for humanity and will achieve peace but ONLY if it's set up to protect our freedoms. Check out this quote from my spiritual leader, Rael, the leader of the Raelian Movement:

“Contrary to the negative commentary in this film (Zeitgiest which denounces the NWO), having a one-world government as explained in the Messages given by the Elohim is the only way to save Humanity. It could be democratically controlled by the people as well as eventually reaching geniocracy." (you can read more about geniocracy in the free download book, Intelligent Design, as well as ordering "Geniocracy" which explains this topic in depth)

Rael went on to say: "A world government is indeed much better than a total destruction through a nuclear world war. Additionally, control of criminals through implanted chips is also good and much better than prisons, especially if these chips can detect the mental sickness which creates violence. What would be terrible is if a world power were to destroy freedom and human rights using these tools. But this is already happening right now in several nations and it’s not necessarily what will happen with a world government, which, if it is controlled by the “people for the people”, can also be a model of freedom with the Declaration of Human Rights as a World Constitution. Not being a criminal and if all the freedoms of Human Rights would be granted, I would be very willing to have this chip implanted in me. And with the United Nations as a supervising authority of this world government it could work very positively. Besides, it’s much better than the current independent nationalistic powers accumulating nuclear weapons, preparing for the self destruction of Humanity and wasting huge amounts of money for national armies while children are starving and lacking education. The future is clearly more beautiful with a world government, a world currency, and a world language, which, when implemented all together will bring eternal world peace."

-Josh

[MARAB0D]

Josh, as my spiritual leader Brown, the leader of the Brown's Movement, says, it is better for Mankind to stick to their nationalistic governments, accumulating nuclear weapons than get ruled by the Raelites, who do not even know where the roos keep their scrotums before they become purses. For in order to install any World Government it is first necessary to accumulate these nuclear weapons, and the one would install this Government who has more of them than the others. And if the Raelites don't like such prospects, they can easily move to Jupiter.

[Czero 101]

See here their orders here:

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for

nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

Have you actually read the orders you're posting about here, or did you just copy this list off some other conspiracy site?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

Completely wrong.

This Order re-established the Federal Safety Council.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10990.htm

Executive Order 10090

RE-ESTABLISHING THE FEDERAL SAFETY COUNCIL

SEC. 2. Purpose and functions of Council. The Council shall serve in an advisory capacity to the Secretary of Labor in matters relating to the safety of civilian employees of the Federal government and the municipal government of the District of Columbia and the furtherance of the safety program carried out by the Secretary pursuant to section 33 of the Act. It shall advise the Secretary of Labor with respect to the development and maintenance of adequate and effective safety organizations and programs in the several departments and agencies of the Federal government and the municipal government of the District of Columbia and with respect to criteria, standards, and procedures designed to eliminate work hazards and health risks and to prevent ijuries and accidents in Federal employment.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

Not exactly... It covers the assignment of a Director who handles telecommunication issues for Governmental agencies.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10995.htm

Executive Order 10995

ASSIGNING TELECOMMUNICATIONS MANAGEMENT FUNCTIONS

SEC. 2. Subject to the authority and control of the President, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall:

(a ) Coordinate telecommunications activities of the executive branch of the Government and be responsible for the formulation, after consultation with appropriate agencies, of overall policies and standards therefor. He shall promote and encourage the adoption of uniform policies and standards by agencies authorized to operate telecommunications systems. Agencies shall consult with the Director of Telecommunications Management in the development of policies and standards for the conduct of their telecommunications activities within the overall policies of the executive branch.

(b ) Develop data with regard to United States Government frequency requirements.

(c ) Encourage such research and development activities as he shall deem necessary and desirable for the attainment of the objectives set forth in section 6 below.

(d ) Contract for studies and reports related to any aspect of his responsibilities.

SEC. 3. The authority to assign radio frequencies to Government agencies, vested in the President by section 305 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (47 U.S.C. 305), including all functions heretofore vested in the Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee, is hereby delegated to the Director of the Office of Emergency Planning, who may redelegate such authority to the Director of Telecommunications Management. Such authority shall include the power to amend, modify, or revoke frequency assignments.

SEC. 6. In carrying out functions under this order, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall consider the following objectives:

(a ) Full and efficient employment of telecommunications resources in carrying out national policies;

(b ) Development of telecommunications plans, policies, and programs under which full advantage of technological development will accrue to the Nation and the users of telecommunications; and which will satisfactorily serve the national security; sustain and contribute to the full development of world trade and commerce; strengthen the position and serve the best interests of the United States in negotiations with foreign nations; and permit maximum use of resources through better frequency management;

(c ) Utilization of the radio spectrum by the Federal Government in a manner which permits and encourages the most beneficial use thereof in the public interest;

(d ) Implementation of the national policy of development and effective use of space satellites for international telecommunications services.

SEC.7. Nothing contained in this order shall be deemed to impair any existing authority or jurisdiction of the Federal Communications Commission.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Only in cases of national emergency or war.

This Order empowers the Secretary of the Interior to make Emergency Preparedness plans, but does not empower him to enact these plans.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10997.htm

Executive Order 10997

ASSIGNING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FUNCTIONS TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR

SECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of the Interior (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering (1) electric power; (2) petroleum and gas; (3) solid fuels; and (4) minerals. These plans and programs shall be designed to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.

SEC. 7. Emergency Actions. Nothing in this order shall be construed as conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program, or course of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order. Such authority is reserved to the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

Nope. This Order, similar to Order 10097, empowers the Secretary of Agriculture to prepare Emergency Preparedness plans that the President can enact in times of national emergency or war.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10998.htm

Executive Order 10998

ASSIGNING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FUNCTIONS TO THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE

SECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of Agriculture (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering: Food resources, farm equipment, fertilizer, and food resource facilities, as defined below; rural fire control; defense against biological warfare, chemical warfare, and radiological fallout pertaining to agricultural activities; and rural defense information and education. These plans and programs shall be designed to develop a state of readiness in these areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.

SEC. 10. Emergency Functions. Nothing in this order shall be construed as conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program, or course of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order. Such authority is reserved to the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

This orders empowers the Secretary of Commerce, to empower the Secretary to make Emergency Preparedness plans with respect to transportation, to be enacted by the President in times of national emergency or war only.

(Looks like you got your numbers mixed up - or whichever conspiracy site you copied your information from had them wrong. So I guess that answers the question of whether you've read them and where you got them... )

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/10999.htm

Executive Order 10999

ASSIGNING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FUNCTIONS TO THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE

SECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of Commerce (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering:

(a ) Development and coordination of over-all policies, plans, and procedures for the provision of a centralized control of all modes of transportation in an emergency for the movement of passenger and freight traffic of all types, and the determination of the proper apportionment and allocation of the total civil transportation capacity, or any portion thereof, to meet over-all essential civil and military needs.

(b ) Federal emergency operational responsibilities with respect to: highways, roads, streets, bridges, tunnels, and appurtenances; highway traffic regulation; allocation of air carrier aircraft for essential military and civilian operations; ships in coastal and intercoastal use and ocean shipping, ports and port facilities; and the Saint Lawrence Seaway; except those elements of each normally operated or controlled by the Department of Defense.

(c ) The production and distribution of all materials, the use of all production facilities, the control of all construction materials, and the furnishing of basic industrial services except the following:

(1) Production and distribution of and use of facilities for petroleum, solid fuels, gas, and electric power;

(2) Production, processing, distribution and storage of food resources and the use of food resource facilities for such production, processing, distribution, and storage;

(3) Domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer;

(4) Use of communications services and facilities, housing, and lodging facilities, and health and welfare facilities;

(5) Production, and related distribution, of minerals defined as all raw materials of mineral origin (except petroleum, gas, solid fuels, and source materials as defined in the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended) obtained by mining and like operations and processed through the stages specified, and at the facilities designated in an agreement between the Secretary of Commerce and the Secretary of the Interior as being within the emergency preparedness responsibilities of the Secretary of the Interior, and the construction and use of facilities designated as within the responsibilities of the Secretary of the Interior;

(6) Distribution of items in the supply systems of, or controlled by the Department of Defense and the Atomic Energy Commission, and

(7) Construction and use of civil aviation facilities.

(d) Fallout forecasting based on current weather data.

(e) Collection and reporting of census data for emergency planning purposes.

These plans and programs shall be designed to develop a state of readiness in those areas with respect to all degrees of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.

SEC. 10. Functional Guidance. The Secretary, in carrying out the functions assigned in this order, shall be guided by the following:

(a ) Interagency cooperation. The Secretary shall assume the initiative in developing joint plans for the coordination of transportation and production programs which involve other departments and agencies which have responsibilities for any segment of such activities. He shall utilize to the maximum those capabilities of other agencies qualified to perform or assist in the performance of assigned functions by contractual or other agreements.

(b ) Presidential coordination. The Director of the Office of Emergency Planning shall advise and assist the President in determining policy for, and assist him in, coordinating the performance of functions under this order with the total national preparedness program.

(c ) Emergency planning. Emergency plans and programs, and emergency organization structure required thereby, shall be developed as an integral part of the continuing activities of the Department of Commerce on the basis that it will have the responsibility for carrying out such programs during an emergency. The Secretary shall be prepared to implement all appropriate plans developed under this order. Modifications and temporary organizational changes, based on emergency conditions, will be in accordance with policy determination by the President.

SEC. 11. Emergency Actions. Nothing in this order shall be construed as conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program, or course of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order. Such authority is reserved to the President.

Need I go on...?

All the rest of the Orders you have quoted are all in relation to times of national emergency or war. Don't you think its better to have these Orders and Emergency Preparedness Plan in place and ready to go when an emergency or war comes along? Or would you - or rather the US citizens - rather see their country devolve into anarchy while plans are drawn up in time of emergency or war?

Its called "Emergency Preparedness" for a reason.

The use fear to control us.

And yet you and the others who post about these "suspicious" Orders here and on other sites are using the same fear-mongering to further your world-view.

And if you can't see the hypocrisy in that then you and the others really need to give your head a good shake.

One last point: Given that the US has technically been in a state of war for the last 5 or 6 years, isn't it interesting that not one of these Executive Orders or Emergency Preparedness plans have been enacted has yet to be enacted...?

Cz

[el midgetron]

Just out of (morbid) curiousity, why is the general assumption always that a NWO is going to be tyrannical?

Why couldn't a NWO be like the Federation from Star Trek (to use another fictional example)?

Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely

Its not really an "assumption", its a conclusion based on the evidence we have.

For starts, there are the fictionalized accouts of the NWO in works like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. To understand the justification of the NWO, its important to understand eugenics. Huxley's book paints a portrait of the future where genetics dominates the role and title of all members of society. At the top of society are the ruling elite and below them happily toil the lower, or lesser, geneticly identified people as they have been designed to do.

Huxley ideas might not seem like the best argument or evidence. However, he had family which provided a fertile background for the deveolpement of these ideas. His brothers were both prominent eugenicists and his grandfather earned the nickname "Darwin's Bulldog" for his work defending Darwin's theories. Infact it was Darwin's cousin Sir Francis Galton who later coined the term "eugenics".

Throughout history the rulers of the world have claimed to be genetically superior to the common man, belonging to royal bloodlines or being partially divine. Eugenics is the pesudo-sciencetific justification of this same elitist arrogance and disreguard of the rest of humanity. One only needs know that co-founder of the American Eugenics Society, Madison Grant's book "the Passing of the Great Race" was hailed by Hitler as being his "Bible" to understand the inherent danger of these ideas and the capabilities of those who adhere to them.

In addtion there are hundreds of first hand accounts by both those who are a part of the NWO and those who have recognized its workings. In another thread I have recently posted a quote by George Washington where he calls the principals of the illuminati "diabolical". As well, the tyrany of the NWO can be seen in their agendas once you recognize them. How much more tryanical can someone be than to reduce a persons identity and value to a number which becomes nothing more than part of a mathematical equation?

There is also the occult element of this elitism which in my opinion does not evidence a benevolent intent.

[MARAB0D]

Obviously, Josh started this thread to promote his novelty religion, no wonder it was in Religions and Beliefs first before PA moved it here! But even given this desperate desire to proselyte, he still misses the point that NWO is an official political term, which means the new geopolitical balance of force on the planet.

NWO has nothing to do with conspiracies and religions, it has nothing to do with concentration camps and microchips, it has nothing to do with oppression of masses and revolutions. Politicians are always evasive when the talk comes to NWO, because if they start opening the mouth then their foreign opponents may decide they call to change the Old World Order, and such change always means World War, so to say this is a provocation of such.

Order exists always, at least for the last 3000 years. But previously the world was not even fully discovered, so it was not Old World Order, but Old Regional Order, in which there was a strongest country, running the show in the region, or an alliance of the countries running this show and telling the others what to do. Sometimes the balance of forces was changing (say Rome started to be strong enough to challenge Old Regional Order in which Carthage ruled the area) and this causes war(s) which may change it to New Regional Order.

After collapse of Napoleonic rule, the order in Europe was officially maintained by Russia till 1854, when this Old Regional Order was challenged by France and Britain, so they won the Crimean war and installed NWO, in which Russia was not allowed to rule over Europe anymore. Crimean war was probably the first rehearsal of future World Wars, as it was fought all over the world - there were naval battles in Pacific, invasions of Japan by USA and Russia, invasion of Russian fleet in Australia (Adelaide, Melbourne) etc.

The NRO installed in 1854 became ORO by 1914 - and it was challenged by Austro-Hungary and Germany, this caused WW1 as the Order was challenged worldwide for the first time (redistribution of colonies!). Central powers lost WW1, while Russia left the war early on German conditions due to revolution of 1917, so the winners in WW1 were Britain and France, as well as Italy, USA and Japan - they established their own NWO, represented by the League of Nations. This NWO became then OWO lasted till 1939 when Germany, Japan and Italy challenged it, so upon the defeat of the Axis another NWO was set up, in which the World is ruled by United Nations (instead of League of Nations) and UN is ruled by UN Security Council, which in turn is ruled by 5 nuclear powers, who won the WW2. These powers have a veto right, so if one of them does not want something, this something would never happen. These rulers of our Old World Order are USA, Britain, France, Russia and China.

To talk about NWO means to proclaim the goal of excluding at least one of these 5 from Security Council OR to add another member(s) as a Permanent Member with veto right. Practically such changes mean another global war, as each of the members would fight for the right to rule the World. That is what means "NWO". Inside the ruling elites of any country there may be some groups planning for NWO, but this is done secretly, as even a loud word about this may potentially trigger military response. These groups are always influential, and the commoners (villains - haha!) think them to be the evil conspiracies, but they only hide of fear to overestimate their country's military might and lose, not because they want to secretly build concentration camps. No one wants to live in a country with concentration camps, the elites are not stupid - today you build it and tomorrow you yourself get in there! So the conspiracy theoreticians are always walking in the darkness blindfolded and each bruise received write off on NWO adepts, while in practice it is all much simpler and less threatening.

Edited September 2, 2008 by marabod

[insanemind]

Good post Czero 101 its amazing what a little research can do. Also the American economy isn't falling its having troubles but its hardly falling. We had a real depression once but guess what we came back from it and grew even stronger. You'll know when the economy falls you wont have alot of the things you take for granted, for example the internet, money, food just to name a few. Yes were having a hard time but every country in the world has hard times its what happens when you elect an idiot to be in charge. Oh and engaging in a war is cheap so if your economy is falling which it isn't, then going to war is not a smart idea. However getting two other countries to fight while you sit back and sell arms to both of them is very profitable but thats not whats happening is it. We spend billions on this war were in now. Lets not forget that we have and are trying to spread democracy, surely if they run the U.S. government then spreading a government that brides itself on giving power to the people would be a bad idea. Still amazes me that despite the fact nothing bad has happen as far as NWO theory thats its automatically labeled evil. Show me what makes them evil what have they done thats labeled evil. Something that has happen not speculation.

[el midgetron]

Rael went on to say: "A world government is indeed much better than a total destruction through a nuclear world war. Additionally, control of criminals through implanted chips is also good and much better than prisons, especially if these chips can detect the mental sickness which creates violence.

Maybe you could pose the question to "Rael"; what if someone like Hitler was chairman of this one world government?

"the mental sickness which creates violence".....like thinking you have divine right over another people, the justification behind all genocides?

Oh, how wonderful it will be once the mad scientists finally peg down what makes someone genetically superior to the next guy.

Hersey went on to say that the pictures were actually made for anthropological research: "The reigning school of the time, presided over by E. A. Hooton of Harvard and W. H. Sheldon" -- who directed an institute for physique studies at Columbia University -- "held that a person's body, measured and analyzed, could tell much about intelligence, temperament, moral worth and probable future achievement. The inspiration came from the founder of social Darwinism, Francis Galton, who proposed such a photo archive for the British population.

THE GREAT IVY LEAGUE NUDE POSTURE PHOTO SCANDAL

Edited September 2, 2008 by el midgetron

[MARAB0D]

LOL, the one who dreams about "world government" is so far out of the league that can not even see what is right before the eyes - there was Saddam and there was Iraq; there is no Saddam and there is no Iraq. Surely, Midgetron, the ruler of such world government must be not like Hitler was, but much WORSE, because Hitler was not cruel enough to keep 3rd Reich in his grasp, while here we are talking about holding the entire planet. If the moment demands to approve or not death penalty for the crooks among 7 billion citizens, then the leader won't even have a second to make up his mind, but rather would be signing decrees like "French province: decapitate a million; Chinese province: decapitate 10 million" - alternatively these decisions would be placed in the hands of corrupt Raelian local bureaucracy, and then it would be a never-ending rebellion worldwide.

These guys, Midgetron, expose what Lenin called "mechanicistic thinking". Josh is sitting in God blessed Australia with landmass of India and population of Ireland, and dreams how to rule over many billions of people, whose cultures, languages, desires, habits, customs, religions and cuisines he has no idea of. Such folk can not rule over a dozen of koalas, unless someone catches them for him and locks in a cage. But if I was a World Ruler, I would've started precisely with caging the likes of him, as this gives the others the opportunity to have a rest from BS.

[el midgetron]

LOL, the one who dreams about "world government" is so far out of the league that can not even see what is right before the eyes - there was Saddam and there was Iraq; there is no Saddam and there is no Iraq............

You seem to have been addressing me however, I am having a hard time understanding the intent and content of your comment.

[MARAB0D]

You seem to have been addressing me however, I am having a hard time understanding the intent and content of your comment.

LOL! Thats OK, I do not expect everyone to be very smart Meanwhile I was just agreeing with your opinion in such perverted form.

[acidhead]

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Also, what is this "New World Order," I've never heard any serious mention of it before; only mentioned by conspiracy theorist wackos. And if you're referring to said wacko conspiracy theory, doesn't this belong on the conspiracy theory board (rather than here)?

Some of you seriously need to pay attention: NEW WORLD ORDER is in BOLD for those who cannot read clearly

October 29, 1992 http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/93/9/19.html

Sen. Biden returns to campus during United Nations week

U.S. Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.), a member of the Senate

Foreign Relations Committee since 1972, said last Thursday he did not

understand the importance of collective security for the nations of

the world until he graduated from the University of Delaware in 1965.

In a speech celebrating United Nations Week, Biden said professor

emeritus Leroy Bennett and other political science professors who

taught him were wise to espouse the value of the United Nations as a

valuable peacekeeping tool.

Meeting with world leaders, Biden said he has "on more than one

occasion, been brought back in my mind to classes I took with Dr.

Bennett," a man Biden called "well ahead of his time."

In his speech in Clayton Hall, "On the Threshold of the New World

Order: A Rebirth for the United Nations," Biden said the world's

leaders must adopt a new understanding of security. "Collective

security today must encompass not only the security of nations," he

said, "but also mankind's security in a global environment that has

proven vulnerable to debilitating changes wrought by man's own

endeavors.

"Thus, in setting an American agenda for a new world order, we

must begin with a profound alteration in traditional thought," he

said.

Oh and by the way, for those who probably will ask, Joe Biden is Obamas running mate for Vice-President of the United States

[acidhead]

This thread just goes to back up my theory that the CTers can't quite distinguish their fantasy life from reality.

--Jaylemurph

Yeah ... you're right... your reality..

messed up as it is... a guy who thinks he's a girl..

[acidhead]

Just out of (morbid) curiousity, why is the general assumption always that a NWO is going to be tyrannical?

Why couldn't a NWO be like the Federation from Star Trek (to use another fictional example)?

..uh... history has proven this... try some research in your spare time...

Star Trek is a terrible example BTW...

yet... hardly surprising that it would be mentioned...