Angel

[Mr Walker]

Pretty sure it's just the reflection of the fire. You can even see what looks like flames at the bottom of the "angel".

I tend to agree, but the consistency of the shape suggests it has also been "photoshopped, " in that a natural reflection would show greater variety in shape over time.

[Mr Walker]

Angels like buff ancient Greek men for some reason?

You can tell its only a platonic attraction. She' s a she, and he's a he, and they are ancient Greeks, for goodness sake.

[Mr Walker]

It's because they seen the air around them as the spirit world.

When a person stops breathing they loose their spirit (just like they seen loss of Blood as magic).

Spirity etymology=Breath/air

The wings represent the Birds that are held up by the spirit world. Birds are messengers of the spirit world because they soar up to the spiritual heavens. The ancient Roman priests would divine omens by the movements of Birds with a special curled Wand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lituus

So whenever you see a winged entity from the ancient world, it means it has divine status of the world of air.

When someone says that they air spiritual. They are telling the truth. Their minds are full of air instead of thinking.

There is a lot of common sense in this. Angels are messengers and thus are "given" wings to assist their passage Like mercury.

Of course there is that other alternative, too terrible to contemplate, that these figures appear in so may cultures because they appeared to people in all those cultures and thus a similar appearance emerged This is also true for beings of light (another angelic form) described since first written histories and perceived in Christianity as another form of angels..

I don't know if its true or not, but i read the other day that a person can only dream or hallucinate things which they have some experience with (even if that experince is fictional and or, in their imagination So, for example, someone who has never encountered an elephant in any way cannot hallucinate or dream an elephant. )

Since early times, people have seen things dancing in fires, and almost certainly this "comes forward: during dreams or hallucinations . Some argue that Johns' revelations were a vision or visions experienced while living in a cave on Patmos, either from eating the local magic mushrooms which still grow in the woods there, or because his water supply was contaminated .

[Mr Walker]

yep, I get 'pnuema' and the bird thing . That explains the 'dynamic symbolism' but doesnt answer my question.

People. since there were people, have claimed to see them, be visited by them, have them in different forms other than winged birdy things. aliens, angels, ancestors, daemons , etc .

Why ?

Because they have.

Now this doesn't mean they have all experienced the same objective reality. (Although that is also a possibility ) As davros points out, humans tend to dream and hallucinate in archetypes representing strong desires fears etc universal to humans. If Freud could identify such powerful archetypes, it is quite understandable that they could and would manifest to humans across time and space.

Now this complicates matters for those of us who have encountered real solid, objectively existent, materialisations of such entities, but i can see, and appreciate, how both alternatives/forms are widespread. I used to ride bareback. I also dreamed of doing the same thing a lot The fact I dreamed of riding didn't mean i didn't also ride in real life.

On the other hand i have a lot of experience riding dragons and flying carpets in my dream scapes. The closest i have done to this in real life is soaring and hang-gliding I know that the physical experiences of scuba diving,gliding and hang gliding all contribute to the sensation of flying in my dreams (just as skin diving from a young age gave me the sense of weightless ness which enabled me to feel and experience flying in dreams). while a lot of the manoeuvres in a flying carpet as a child came from reading about ealry aeroplanes and the sensation of flight in them.

[back to earth]

no. I do not want to download a pdf.

Its a small one and safe, in any case Dr Wilson found he could successfully treat some long term and very badly disturbed 'incurable' psychiatric patients, that claimed possession and other similar problems by using the methods of Swedenborg, basically by invoking a 'personal angelic being' that dispelled the 'evil' one - except Dr Wilson termed them 'hallucinations of a good order " (or bad order ) .

Do you think these entities people experience are real?

Great question ? (The type I was hoping for).

I dont mean to be pedantic here , just for the sake of it, but what really interests me is what we think is 'real' and what constitutes a 'real experience'.

It is only recently in our history that we started to think things like this are not 'real' . I think the issue is, can such an experience, which many are sure is 'real' ( subjective to them ) can actually make changes in 'objective reality' . In my readings and experiences over 40 years in this field, I have not been convinced that it can . It can change our 'subjective reality' though, and that is a very plastic thing, moulded by our own psychology.

There are claims that are supported by others .... but .... mhe . We call hem hallucinations. When there are witnesses, they have been called 'mass hallucinations' .... when they occur in different locations, they have been called a mass spreading spontaneous hallucination ... which to me is more fascinating than the original miraculous claim! But when researching these cases deeper, they seem to fall apart.

Even if it is 'all psychological' .... Jung had a life long 'daemonic angel' he called Philemon ... although that got covered up somewhat by his more conservative followers . Some thought Jung himself must have been crazy.

The thing is, this sort of contact, 'real' or 'psychological' has had effects on people ; the mental patients of Dr Wilson, Jung, many people claim it is the source of their guidance, inspiration and genius ,,, an energy that allows them to operate at the pinnacle of human achievement.

Swedenborg;s writings, when read today, for many, would seem insane ravings yet ;

. Emanuel Swedenborg (1688 – 1772) was fluent in 9 languages, wrote 150 works in 17 sciences, expert in 7 crafts, a musician, a Member of Parliament and a mining engineer. He came up with the first theory of nebular hypothesis, wrote extensive works on metallurgy, algebra and calculus, mapped several areas of the brain and ductless glands, suggested the particle structure of magnets, designed a glider and a submarine and engineered the world’s largest dry-dock. He then took on psychology and religion with extensive exploration into the ‘hypnogogic’ state. He led a successful and productive life and claimed daily intercourse with spirits. He appeared to have psychic powers *, wrote 12 volumes on the psychological meanings hidden in Genesis and Exodus and (of course) was tried as a heretic and had his books banned in his native country - Sweden.

* https://en.wikipedia...phetic_accounts

So, 'real' or not (according to modern day judgements) the 'daemon' IMO , is certainly a well known and interesting character.

I like Harpur's work on 'reality' ;

" 'Harpur's starting-point is that vast numbers of ordinary, reliable people, with no track record of involvement in Otherworldly phenomena, who would be regarded as reliable witnesses in all other circumstances, persist in reporting vivid encounters with the denizens of the otherworld. Those encounters in our age are likely to be with alleged aliens, large or small, but bear uncanny resemblances to the age-old encounters with faerie folk, spirits, and other manifestations of different places and other times.... The standard response to all this is to argue either that it is all in us, in the form of persistent patterns of hallucination or madness; or the projection of archetypal patterns onto reality. Alternatively, the phenomena are taken seriously as being evidence of something really out there in the physical world, as aliens visiting the Earth, or prehistoric creatures living in deep cold lakes etc. Harpur pursues a different, and more challenging line. What is at stake, he suggests, is the nature of reality itself.

'With Jung, Harpur argues that these are phenomena of the psyche, but that psyche is of the world, not just of us as individuals. Indeed, our much cherished individual selves and psyches may be no more than embodiments of that world-soul (rediscovered in our age as the goddess Gaia). The phenomena in which the book rejoices may be appearances to us of its ancient inhabitants. They appear in different forms to match changing cultural expectations and concerns. An appearance of the Goddess becomes an appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary, becomes a woman with golden hair emerging from her spacecraft. The mistake, he suggests, is to deny and repress these manifestations, since the repressed returns, pathologically and dangerously, if separated from a context of meaning and belief. Harpur suggests that a function of these daimonic forces may now be to undermine a deadening and narrow scientific orthodoxy and world-view - the 'single vision' which Blake so deplored. This sounds very radical but Harpur is the first to point out that it is not very new. By drawing on a philosophical tradition that flows down the centuries from the Neoplatonists, through the Romantics, and crucially in Bake, Yeats and Jung, he shows that there is an ancient history of understanding of this daimonic, Otherworld reality. Indeed, he goes back further still by embracing the folklore and tales of the Otherworld from across the Western tradition, and acknowledges that every culture, except perhaps our own, has seen its world as interpenetrated with another, shadowy, yet powerful reality, full of wonder, beauty and terror. The key to being alert to it lies in what Blake called the Imagination, and in not allowing the rational mind to shut out what it cannot readily comprehend or control."

http://www.harpur.or...onicreality.htm

Edited January 2, 2016 by back to earth

[Davros of Skaro]

Its a small one and safe, in any case Dr Wilson found he could successfully treat some long term and very badly disturbed 'incurable' psychiatric patients, that claimed possession and other similar problems by using the methods of Swedenborg, basically by invoking a 'personal angelic being' that dispelled the 'evil' one - except Dr Wilson termed them 'hallucinations of a good order " (or bad order ) .

Great question ? (The type I was hoping for).

I dont mean to be pedantic here , just for the sake of it, but what really interests me is what we think is 'real' and what constitutes a 'real experience'.

It is only recently in our history that we started to think things like this are not 'real' . I think the issue is, can such an experience, which many are sure is 'real' ( subjective to them ) can actually make changes in 'objective reality' . In my readings and experiences over 40 years in this field, I have not been convinced that it can . It can change our 'subjective reality' though, and that is a very plastic thing, moulded by our own psychology.

There are claims that are supported by others .... but .... mhe . We call hem hallucinations. When there are witnesses, they have been called 'mass hallucinations' .... when they occur in different locations, they have been called a mass spreading spontaneous hallucination ... which to me is more fascinating than the original miraculous claim! But when researching these cases deeper, they seem to fall apart.

Even if it is 'all psychological' .... Jung had a life long 'daemonic angel' he called Philemon ... although that got covered up somewhat by his more conservative followers . Some thought Jung himself must have been crazy.

The thing is, this sort of contact, 'real' or 'psychological' has had effects on people ; the mental patients of Dr Wilson, Jung, many people claim it is the source of their guidance, inspiration and genius ,,, an energy that allows them to operate at the pinnacle of human achievement.

Swedenborg;s writings, when read today, for many, would seem insane ravings yet ;

. Emanuel Swedenborg (1688 – 1772) was fluent in 9 languages, wrote 150 works in 17 sciences, expert in 7 crafts, a musician, a Member of Parliament and a mining engineer. He came up with the first theory of nebular hypothesis, wrote extensive works on metallurgy, algebra and calculus, mapped several areas of the brain and ductless glands, suggested the particle structure of magnets, designed a glider and a submarine and engineered the world’s largest dry-dock. He then took on psychology and religion with extensive exploration into the ‘hypnogogic’ state. He led a successful and productive life and claimed daily intercourse with spirits. He appeared to have psychic powers *, wrote 12 volumes on the psychological meanings hidden in Genesis and Exodus and (of course) was tried as a heretic and had his books banned in his native country - Sweden.

* https://en.wikipedia...phetic_accounts

So, 'real' or not (according to modern day judgements) the 'daemon' IMO , is certainly a well known and interesting character.

I like Harpur's work on 'reality' ;

" 'Harpur's starting-point is that vast numbers of ordinary, reliable people, with no track record of involvement in Otherworldly phenomena, who would be regarded as reliable witnesses in all other circumstances, persist in reporting vivid encounters with the denizens of the otherworld. Those encounters in our age are likely to be with alleged aliens, large or small, but bear uncanny resemblances to the age-old encounters with faerie folk, spirits, and other manifestations of different places and other times.... The standard response to all this is to argue either that it is all in us, in the form of persistent patterns of hallucination or madness; or the projection of archetypal patterns onto reality. Alternatively, the phenomena are taken seriously as being evidence of something really out there in the physical world, as aliens visiting the Earth, or prehistoric creatures living in deep cold lakes etc. Harpur pursues a different, and more challenging line. What is at stake, he suggests, is the nature of reality itself.

'With Jung, Harpur argues that these are phenomena of the psyche, but that psyche is of the world, not just of us as individuals. Indeed, our much cherished individual selves and psyches may be no more than embodiments of that world-soul (rediscovered in our age as the goddess Gaia). The phenomena in which the book rejoices may be appearances to us of its ancient inhabitants. They appear in different forms to match changing cultural expectations and concerns. An appearance of the Goddess becomes an appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary, becomes a woman with golden hair emerging from her spacecraft. The mistake, he suggests, is to deny and repress these manifestations, since the repressed returns, pathologically and dangerously, if separated from a context of meaning and belief. Harpur suggests that a function of these daimonic forces may now be to undermine a deadening and narrow scientific orthodoxy and world-view - the 'single vision' which Blake so deplored. This sounds very radical but Harpur is the first to point out that it is not very new. By drawing on a philosophical tradition that flows down the centuries from the Neoplatonists, through the Romantics, and crucially in Bake, Yeats and Jung, he shows that there is an ancient history of understanding of this daimonic, Otherworld reality. Indeed, he goes back further still by embracing the folklore and tales of the Otherworld from across the Western tradition, and acknowledges that every culture, except perhaps our own, has seen its world as interpenetrated with another, shadowy, yet powerful reality, full of wonder, beauty and terror. The key to being alert to it lies in what Blake called the Imagination, and in not allowing the rational mind to shut out what it cannot readily comprehend or control."

http://www.harpur.or...onicreality.htm

For many years a friend of mine had a curtain of stringed plastic beads at the entrance of her bedroom. For a long time when entering her room I had to walk thru them. One day she took them down. For the next three times entering her room I saw them. They were a mere shadow, a photo negative of what they were. It would last a few seconds before disappearing. Then I seen them no more. I told her and she said only her other friend saw the same thing.

We are all capable of hallucination, the placebo effect, and, or suggestion to some degree. It's just that some are more so than others. Just look how someone is more susceptible to alcoholism when they have it in the family.

It's not a matter of intelligence. It's our fears, or hopes that can neurologicaly manifest. It's our imagination in part helped us evolve, but it also can make us stagnant.

[back to earth]

...and it can also be used effectively !

'Neurologically manifest' .... I like that !

I dont think we can brush all unusual occurrences off as 'imagination' .... not without redefining imagination - like we need to redefine 'reality'., which seems presently underway in the realm of things like physics.

'Susceptibility' .... there is an interesting dynamic ... easily observable on this forum .

Why do some have such a strong desire to 'believe' (to the extent that they may be able to make changes in their 'neurologically manifest reality) and others have no need for that whatsoever , they just deny it all, and feel good with that.

I understand what you outline in your experience with the bead curtain ... I am familiar with such psychological manifestations ... but, for me, that in no way explains the mass of experience listed above in the Harper review.

Nor explain Dr Van Dusen's empirical findings ... or that they are in sinc with Swedenborg's principles about 'spirits' , and 'just happen' to conform with basic magical theory and practice of evocative magic (summoning and controlling spirits) , and Jung's Red Book and Black Book, or how people as 'nutty' as Swedenborg achieved what they did

Here is another view on it ;

http://www.livescience.com/20713-genius-madness-connected.html

[back to earth]

'genius' , we used to think, came from an outside source

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_(mythology)

[Stubbly_Dooright]

For many years a friend of mine had a curtain of stringed plastic beads at the entrance of her bedroom. For a long time when entering her room I had to walk thru them. One day she took them down. For the next three times entering her room I saw them. They were a mere shadow, a photo negative of what they were. It would last a few seconds before disappearing. Then I seen them no more. I told her and she said only her other friend saw the same thing.

We are all capable of hallucination, the placebo effect, and, or suggestion to some degree. It's just that some are more so than others. Just look how someone is more susceptible to alcoholism when they have it in the family.

It's not a matter of intelligence. It's our fears, or hopes that can neurologicaly manifest. It's our imagination in part helped us evolve, but it also can make us stagnant.

I have had that happen to me too. It's almost like, you expect something to be there, because you are use to it being there before. Kind of like, ( and that's me making a assumption of that ) your brain paints in the object, you kind of miss seeing there when it's not really there.

I am reminded of my late father, after he had to have his leg amputated below the knee. He has said he sometimes still felt it. I believe they are called phantom senses or something like that. Maybe someone can clue me in. *shrugs*

[back to earth]

I had a confused long missing friend turn up the other night . Part of his confusion seemed to be that I would support his contention that he could teleport , he was sure I would have supported him (not like his other friends who think he is nuts) .

I agreed that he totally thinks he can teleport. But that wasnt good enough for him. I also told him I can drive home from town at night and 'magically' teleport, in the car to the turnoff 28 km past town ... I had absolutely no knowledge or memory of going from point A to B . I explained ' highway hypnosis' to him .... didnt help . he told me the rest of his problems, poor guy, I can see why he was so mixed up and is having this 'episode' .

I know from working in the psyche ward and with confused patients in general ward, some people, dont bother trying to convince them ! I would just get under the bed and catch that troublesome little dog and take it out the room while I made growing and gruffing noises ... then we can all get some sleep !

But Davros was able to the difference and not insist in what he saw ... so did you, and me ... and Buddhists .... but there is that susceptibility thing again .

I assumed I am good at 'differentiating' it as I took a fair amount of LSD (in a good way ) in the past ... so I got used to realising about 'different perception states' .

Although I cant speak for you guys ....

[Mr Walker]

I had a confused long missing friend turn up the other night . Part of his confusion seemed to be that I would support his contention that he could teleport , he was sure I would have supported him (not like his other friends who think he is nuts) .

I agreed that he totally thinks he can teleport. But that wasnt good enough for him. I also told him I can drive home from town at night and 'magically' teleport, in the car to the turnoff 28 km past town ... I had absolutely no knowledge or memory of going from point A to B . I explained ' highway hypnosis' to him .... didnt help . he told me the rest of his problems, poor guy, I can see why he was so mixed up and is having this 'episode' .

I know from working in the psyche ward and with confused patients in general ward, some people, dont bother trying to convince them ! I would just get under the bed and catch that troublesome little dog and take it out the room while I made growing and gruffing noises ... then we can all get some sleep !

But Davros was able to the difference and not insist in what he saw ... so did you, and me ... and Buddhists .... but there is that susceptibility thing again .

I assumed I am good at 'differentiating' it as I took a fair amount of LSD (in a good way ) in the past ... so I got used to realising about 'different perception states' .

Although I cant speak for you guys ....

You can also consciously learn the techniques required to reality check and validate if an experience is internal or external in nature I never took drugs but as a very vivid controlled lucid dreamer i had to find a way to clearly identify when i was in a dream world and when i was not As a child i could easily have tried to fly off a roof in the real world because i could in a dream and the two worlds were identical in clarity and nature. (this is especially difficult when you are fully conscious and self aware all the time even when dreaming so that doesn't really help you differentiate the waking world.

Thanks to reality checkers, rather than try to fly from my garage roof, i talked my younger brother into testing a home made parachute from the same roof. Much safer. (For me at least)

Edited January 2, 2016 by Mr Walker

[back to earth]

yeah ... right

This is a conversation about whether some people are 'crazy' or not Walker ....

It isnt a conversation with them .

[Davros of Skaro]

...and it can also be used effectively !

'Neurologically manifest' .... I like that !

I dont think we can brush all unusual occurrences off as 'imagination' .... not without redefining imagination - like we need to redefine 'reality'., which seems presently underway in the realm of things like physics.

'Susceptibility' .... there is an interesting dynamic ... easily observable on this forum .

Why do some have such a strong desire to 'believe' (to the extent that they may be able to make changes in their 'neurologically manifest reality) and others have no need for that whatsoever , they just deny it all, and feel good with that.

I understand what you outline in your experience with the bead curtain ... I am familiar with such psychological manifestations ... but, for me, that in no way explains the mass of experience listed above in the Harper review.

Nor explain Dr Van Dusen's empirical findings ... or that they are in sinc with Swedenborg's principles about 'spirits' , and 'just happen' to conform with basic magical theory and practice of evocative magic (summoning and controlling spirits) , and Jung's Red Book and Black Book, or how people as 'nutty' as Swedenborg achieved what they did

Here is another view on it ;

http://www.livescience.com/20713-genius-madness-connected.html

I catch myself doing crazy things. When adjusting volume on a TV, I go 30, 35, or 40. I have an urge not to set it at 31, 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, or 39. If a placemat at a fastfood place is upsidedown to my view I correct it even though I am familiar with what it says, and pictures.

Everyone of us has this. Just try to go on a date with a person with one Eye 3 inches lower than the other.

I tried LSD once and I can see how one would think it's otherworldly insight if they were suggested that on the onset.

Maybe one day science can see that the synapses can transcend time, space, and dimensions? Untill then I will champion rationality, and I do not have to deal with the mentally ill. Well mostly.

[Davros of Skaro]

I have had that happen to me too. It's almost like, you expect something to be there, because you are use to it being there before. Kind of like, ( and that's me making a assumption of that ) your brain paints in the object, you kind of miss seeing there when it's not really there.

I am reminded of my late father, after he had to have his leg amputated below the knee. He has said he sometimes still felt it. I believe they are called phantom senses or something like that. Maybe someone can clue me in. *shrugs*

It's called "Phantom Limb" my dear.

[Mr Walker]

yeah ... right

This is a conversation about whether some people are 'crazy' or not Walker ....

It isnt a conversation with them .

This response is not logical.

I pointed out that when a person encounters alterations in their perception of reality eg from drugs or lucid dreaming, then there are ways to determine what is a subjective internal reality and what is an objective external reality It isn't a discussion about craziness, so much as a discussion about how to ensure an accurate perception of objective realities.

These were your words

I assumed I am good at 'differentiating' it as I took a fair amount of LSD (in a good way ) in the past ... so I got used to realising about 'different perception states' .

My point was that we can all learn techniques for this type of differentiation (and some people need to more than others) ( i call it reality checking, you call it differentiating states of perception) These techniques are very effective .

Here is a reasonable site, with some good tips on reality checkers anyone can use to establish the independent physical reality of an experience, or not.

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/reality-checks.html

Edited January 2, 2016 by Mr Walker

[Davros of Skaro]

This response is not logical.

I pointed out that when a person encounters alterations in their perception of reality eg from drugs or lucid dreaming then there are ways to determine what is a subjective internal reality and what is an objective external reality It isn't a discussion about craziness, so much as a discussion about how to ensure an accurate perception of objective realities.

One time walking at night. A gust of wind rolled a torn up paper bag towards me. For some reason for a couple of seconds my mind pulled together a horrifying scene.....

I think I told you this before?

[Stubbly_Dooright]

I had a confused long missing friend turn up the other night . Part of his confusion seemed to be that I would support his contention that he could teleport , he was sure I would have supported him (not like his other friends who think he is nuts) .

I agreed that he totally thinks he can teleport. But that wasnt good enough for him. I also told him I can drive home from town at night and 'magically' teleport, in the car to the turnoff 28 km past town ... I had absolutely no knowledge or memory of going from point A to B . I explained ' highway hypnosis' to him .... didnt help . he told me the rest of his problems, poor guy, I can see why he was so mixed up and is having this 'episode' .

I know from working in the psyche ward and with confused patients in general ward, some people, dont bother trying to convince them ! I would just get under the bed and catch that troublesome little dog and take it out the room while I made growing and gruffing noises ... then we can all get some sleep !

But Davros was able to the difference and not insist in what he saw ... so did you, and me ... and Buddhists .... but there is that susceptibility thing again .

I assumed I am good at 'differentiating' it as I took a fair amount of LSD (in a good way ) in the past ... so I got used to realising about 'different perception states' .

Although I cant speak for you guys ....

I am assuming also that 'highway hypnosis' is also when you drive a particular route countless times, ( like to your work and back ) and you have it planted in your head, that when you happen to be driving it at the moment and you get halfway through, you suddenly realize you don't remember 'experiencing' today's experience of driving the first part.

That scares me, but it happens to me all of the time.

You know, I wonder if that explains quite a few experiences in my life. I remember one night, while I was already in bed, and my husband was coming up the stairs ( could hear him of course ) and I looked over to the far wall where the hall light would cast his shadow to, and seeing his shadow going up the stairs.

The thing is, the stairway is closed off by walls on each side, and I wouldn't see my husband's shadow going up the steps, just walking on the hallway landing.

So, I wonder, did my mind placed that image of him going up the stairs in my mind, because I was hearing the sounds of it?

I often wonder, if the sane mind, when it's extremely exhausted, places images in the head. I have heard about that a lot.

It's called "Phantom Limb" my dear.

Bingo! * snaps her fingers *

That's it! Thanks Davros!

One time walking at night. A gust of wind rolled a torn up paper bag towards me. For some reason for a couple of seconds my mind pulled together a horrifying scene.....

I think I told you this before?

I know, I have told of these particular experiences here before. I wonder if they are the same thing. I often have to do double takes with sights and sounds, because my brain seems to first tell me something different, and it's not.

A private joke that my friend, and ex-neighbor from an AF base, and I have/had was hilarious. I was driving, and I stopped at a mini-mart so she can pick up a bottle of coke. She came out and I'm like 'what?' when I thought she said I was a 'three times a freak show'

What she actually said, after getting into my car, was that she managed to buy a coke, with those coke contests that are on the inside of the bottle cap, and she had one two free cokes in the past, and she won again with the coke she just bought. So, she said, this coke made it her winning three cokes in a row. It's still funny remembering it.

Although, I still maybe 'three times a freak show'

[Davros of Skaro]

I know, I have told of these particular experiences here before. I wonder if they are the same thing. I often have to do double takes with sights and sounds, because my brain seems to first tell me something different, and it's not.

A private joke that my friend, and ex-neighbor from an AF base, and I have/had was hilarious. I was driving, and I stopped at a mini-mart so she can pick up a bottle of coke. She came out and I'm like 'what?' when I thought she said I was a 'three times a freak show'

What she actually said, after getting into my car, was that she managed to buy a coke, with those coke contests that are on the inside of the bottle cap, and she had one two free cokes in the past, and she won again with the coke she just bought. So, she said, this coke made it her winning three cokes in a row. It's still funny remembering it.

Although, I still maybe 'three times a freak show'

SUPAFREAK!

The cartoon character reminded me of the paper bag incident.

This is what I briefly saw coming at me on that dark road.

I think subconsciously that I saw a dead woman pulled from a wreck at that spot a couple years previous?

HA! Super freak just came on the radio. Synchronizing stuff.

[Mr Walker]

One time walking at night. A gust of wind rolled a torn up paper bag towards me. For some reason for a couple of seconds my mind pulled together a horrifying scene.....

I think I told you this before?

i have a vauge recollection about it in a previous discussion about perceiving reality. You saw something whic your mind immediate perceived as something else and constructed a whole response on the basis of that perception.

I have no difficulty at all with my mind when awake. It desnt play any sort of tricks onme (Although i see physical mirages caused by physical effects)

i see and accurately interpret what is there and dont see what is not there. This is verifible through a number of perception tests i have taken over the years.

i dont know why that is except for my background. Lucid dreaming and reality checking constantly since pre school and total inability to consciously visualise while awake An almost eidetic or photographic memory which snaps a picture of what is there and which i record not as an image but as a description (maybe why i use so many words to describe things. (I SEE in words not pictures)

This abilty to accurately see a lot and remember it accurately was deliberately developed by my parents in childhood and then further learned by me as a learning tool at high school and university. I have a very vivid ORAL imagination but no visuall one at all while awake, but my dreams are as real in every way as when i am awake i have taste smell feel etc .But in dreams i can shape and command my own form and everything in the environment to my will.

I can walk through walls or fly at will. I can't do that in waking life but every day i have to check This helps me differentiate the nature and quality of life in the waking world and in the dreamstate world. . I also use contextual narrative to establish my mental state EG ask questions like, "Where am i ? Can i remember how i got here, and where i came from What am i wearing?", or when did i put that on and do i actually posses it in my wardrobe?.

In dreams i am often naked and totally unconcerned by being in company (like in a shop or teaching a class of students) while unclothed. So if my reactions are off then i can realise i am in a dream state because i really don't feel comfortable walking around naked in the waking world if there is company present but in a dream state i m totally unconcerned ( Although i do like wearing exotic or appropriate attire for individual dreams For example in space in the dream world I CAN exist naked and often do, but its more fun to wear a proper space suit with the actual limitations of such a suit or at least an energy field and jump suit . it creates the right atmospherics, like wearing proper cowboy gear in a cowboy dream with the correct number of shells in a six gun etc. Or wearing the correct armour, harness, and lance, when jousting. .. You get the most out of dreams by making them as real and as accurate to historical or scientific principles as you can. . Eg when flying a flying carpet, wear a set belt or employ a force field before commencing an Immelmann roll, or gravity will pull you off the carpet

Edited January 2, 2016 by Mr Walker

[Davros of Skaro]

i have a vauge recollection about it in a previous discussion about perceiving reality. You saw something whic your mind immediate perceived as something else and constructed a whole response on the basis of that perception.

I have no difficulty at all with my mind when awake. It desnt play any sort of tricks onme (Although i see physical mirages caused by physical effects)

i see and accurately interpret what is there and dont see what is not there. This is verifible through a number of perception tests i have taken over the years.

i dont know why that is except for my background. Lucid dreaming and reality checking constantly since pre school and total inability to consciously visualise while awake An almost eidetic or photographic memory which snaps a picture of what is there and which i record not as an image but as a description (maybe why i use so many words to describe things. (I SEE in words not pictures)

This abilty to accurately see a lot and remember it accurately was deliberately developed by my parents in childhood and then further learned by me as a learning tool at high school and university. I have a very vivid ORAL imagination but no visuall one at all while awake, but my dreams are as real in every way as when i am awake i have taste smell feel etc .But in dreams i can shape and command my own form and everything in the environment to my will.

I can walk through walls or fly at will. I can't do that in waking life but every day i have to check This helps me differentiate the nature and quality of life in the waking world and in the dreamstate world. . I also use contextual narrative to establish my mental state EG ask questions like, "Where am i ? Can i remember how i got here, and where i came from What am i wearing?", or when did i put that on and do i actually posses it in my wardrobe?.

In dreams i am often naked and totally unconcerned by being in company (like in a shop or teaching a class of students) while unclothed. So if my reactions are off then i can realise i am in a dream state because i really don't feel comfortable walking around naked in the waking world if there is company present but in a dream state i m totally unconcerned ( Although i do like wearing exotic or appropriate attire for individual dreams For example in space in the dream world I CAN exist naked and often do, but its more fun to wear a proper space suit with the actual limitations of such a suit or at least an energy field and jump suit . it creates the right atmospherics, like wearing proper cowboy gear in a cowboy dream with the correct number of shells in a six gun etc. Or wearing the correct armour, harness, and lance, when jousting. .. You get the most out of dreams by making them as real and as accurate to historical or scientific principles as you can. . Eg when flying a flying carpet, wear a set belt or employ a force field before commencing an Immelmann roll, or gravity will pull you off the carpet

Did you ever dream of having sexy time with Donkey Kong?

[Stubbly_Dooright]

SUPAFREAK!

The cartoon character reminded me of the paper bag incident.

This is what I briefly saw coming at me on that dark road.

I think subconsciously that I saw a dead woman pulled from a wreck at that spot a couple years previous?

HA! Super freak just came on the radio. Synchronizing stuff.

I always had a feeling that Rick James was singing about me.

Or.... should I do a double take on that too?

[Mr Walker]

Did you ever dream of having sexy time with Donkey Kong?

No I don't date outside my species (well apart from that one encounter with a triple breasted amazon, but you knew that already. Purpose of this query?

[back to earth]

I catch myself doing crazy things. When adjusting volume on a TV, I go 30, 35, or 40. I have an urge not to set it at 31, 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, or 39. If a placemat at a fastfood place is upsidedown to my view I correct it even though I am familiar with what it says, and pictures.

Everyone of us has this. Just try to go on a date with a person with one Eye 3 inches lower than the other.

Ummmm ..... thats quiet a significant difference in eye height ..... although my dog can do that

I tried LSD once and I can see how one would think it's otherworldly insight if they were suggested that on the onset.

Ummm ... perhaps. What I meant was , I am familiar with what one sees and experiences with one's senses not being reality all the time, sensory input can be modified or malfunction. Not that any tripped out alternative sensory / hallucinations / malfunctions indicate some otherworld reality.

You know what I mean ... dont you ? .... 'bomb philosophy' ;

Maybe one day science can see that the synapses can transcend time, space, and dimensions? Untill then I will champion rationality, and I do not have to deal with the mentally ill. Well mostly.

"Maybe one day science can see that the synapses can transcend time, space, and dimensions?"

I dont get what that means at all ?

[back to earth]

One time walking at night. A gust of wind rolled a torn up paper bag towards me. For some reason for a couple of seconds my mind pulled together a horrifying scene.....

I think I told you this before?

Guys sitting around friends back yard in 1970 something (on mescaline ) . Yup , there is a UFO , right in the middle of the yard , small, but quite stylish, a nice curved fin on top, a rill air vent thing and a rubber looking skirt around the bottom. I got a stick and tapped it .... ding ding ... yep its real !

Looked closer and realised it was the washing machine lid of the retro washing machine from the laundry

And when younger, I went to the beach (totally straight) and discovered 'space lizards' had landed everywhere and were in the water and all the rock pools , I had never seen anything like them before ...

I just could have assumed a rare warm current had bought them in from up north ...

... but, for some reason, and in some circumstances , we seem ready to throw Occam's razor straight out the window !

(ps, its not a move against rationality or a need to deal with the mentally ill .... its actually a sub-branch of cultural anthropology.)

Edited January 2, 2016 by back to earth

[back to earth]

I am assuming also that 'highway hypnosis' is also when you drive a particular route countless times, ( like to your work and back ) and you have it planted in your head, that when you happen to be driving it at the moment and you get halfway through, you suddenly realize you don't remember 'experiencing' today's experience of driving the first part.

That scares me, but it happens to me all of the time.

You know, I wonder if that explains quite a few experiences in my life. I remember one night, while I was already in bed, and my husband was coming up the stairs ( could hear him of course ) and I looked over to the far wall where the hall light would cast his shadow to, and seeing his shadow going up the stairs.

The thing is, the stairway is closed off by walls on each side, and I wouldn't see my husband's shadow going up the steps, just walking on the hallway landing.

So, I wonder, did my mind placed that image of him going up the stairs in my mind, because I was hearing the sounds of it?

I often wonder, if the sane mind, when it's extremely exhausted, places images in the head. I have heard about that a lot.

Bingo! * snaps her fingers *

That's it! Thanks Davros!

I know, I have told of these particular experiences here before. I wonder if they are the same thing. I often have to do double takes with sights and sounds, because my brain seems to first tell me something different, and it's not.

A private joke that my friend, and ex-neighbor from an AF base, and I have/had was hilarious. I was driving, and I stopped at a mini-mart so she can pick up a bottle of coke. She came out and I'm like 'what?' when I thought she said I was a 'three times a freak show'

What she actually said, after getting into my car, was that she managed to buy a coke, with those coke contests that are on the inside of the bottle cap, and she had one two free cokes in the past, and she won again with the coke she just bought. So, she said, this coke made it her winning three cokes in a row. It's still funny remembering it.

Although, I still maybe 'three times a freak show'

Yes, it happens in conversation too, especially with a friend of mine ... she will mishear what I said ... in the most illogical manner ... "why would you think I said that ? Thats crazy and totally out of context with what you know we are talking about ? "