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  1. A DRIVER was stunned to discover the cost to replace his Mercedes Benz's battery is £15,000 - more than the value of the vehicle itself. Ranjit Singh, 63, bought the second-hand Mercedes Benz hybrid car four years ago, believing its lower CO2 emissions meant it was greener than the alternatives. The motorist, from Knighton, Leicester, bought it for £27,000 at a Mercedes Benz dealership. But Ranjit learnt this week the battery had come to the end of its life after just eight years of motoring. He claims he was quoted £15,000 for a battery replacement - excluding labour costs which he was quoted would be roughly around £200 an hour. Speaking to Leicestershire Live, the dad said: "I have always been a Mercedes customer and loved the cars they produce and we bought the car for its reliability. "I'm horrified by what has happened. I feel I now have just two options - scrap the eight-year-old car or spend more than it is worth. "We checked on Auto Trader and it says the car value now stands at just £12,850." Ranjit claimed he went to see a hybrid specialist who advised him there was nothing else he could do and that there was no cheaper repair available. The specialist himself owned a 2018 Mercedes-Benz Hybrid and has the same problem, Mr Ranjit added. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1556002/Mercedes-Benz-car-new-battery-price-Auto-Trader-Knighton-Leicester I bet they never mentioned that in the brochure. I think this 'saving the planet' malarkey is going to be expensive.
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  2. Hi John It's been a year now and you are still in my thoughts
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  3. It has very little to do with bending the knee or not. It has to do with purpose. Have you figured out a motive for this evil? Why and then? Why? Why destroy economies? That is the part that doesn't make sense. What is the motive?
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  4. On June 7, 1195, a fiery spinning ball emerged from a dark cloud in an erstwhile sunny sky close to the London lodgings of the bishop of Norwich. Witnesses could never have known that the natural phenomenon that they were seeing would defy scientific explanation for more than 800 years. For what they observed has all the hallmarks of ball lightning: an atmospheric effect, the origin of which remains hotly disputed. An account of this extraordinary moment survives in a monastic chronicle compiled between about 1180 and 1199 by Gervase, a monk of Christ Church Cathedral in Canterbury. It would appear that this is the first credible written record of ball lightning in England, and much more convincing than an earlier European description. Previously the earliest record of a sighting was believed to be from the 17th century. This extensive work (nearly 600 pages in its modern edition) records historical events in England and further afield, the friends and enemies of the monastic house, and descriptions of noteworthy or unusual natural phenomena. The writing includes descriptions of solar and lunar eclipses, earthquakes and floods. https://theconversation.com/first-english-sighting-of-ball-lightning-a-12th-century-monks-chronicle-reveals-all-174837
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  5. My parents experienced a sighting of ball lightning when it came through an open window in the room they were in(early 50s)
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  6. I dont "mock" you or anyone, sure i can grasp why duped trump worshippers bend knee and bow head to him, i actually havent seen people doing that with biden i really believe most his votes were because people wanted mr bumbles out, so no one worships biden as they do trump. you are right millons did choose different they thought for themselves and booted trump out.
    4 points
  7. What is a fact is the Biden family has way better documented, and direct, connections to China then any, and all, Trumps ever had with Russia.
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  8. My only personal experience with them occurred in the 1970s at Lambert, International Ariport in St. Louis. I was waiting for flight to go to Basic Training, and two of them approached me, theymust run in pacts of two! Anyway, they said they would like to give me a free book and I said I was not interested, but they insisted so I took the book and then the saeting for my flight was called so I started to walk away. Immediately they said I had to give them a donationn to keep the book which they never asked for in the beginning. So I told them to get away form me, and they started trying to take the book from hands, so I called security and they ran away, it was hilarous! As soon as I got situated at my seat, I took the book and went to the bathroom and trough it in the trash can. It really p***ed me off that they never asked for a donation and then forcible tried to get one or to get the book back. All I could think of is what if they did this to an elderly man or women, so I felt justified then and even now for dealing with them that way!
    4 points
  9. At this point, not really. I've pretty much stopped caring about COVID since omicron became the common variant. It's just going to be end up an endemic illness, like the flu/cold... except vaccines will likely be required semi-annually, until they get one that can last for a much longer period of time. Honestly, I'm much more concerned about this situation that's brewing over in Russia/Ukraine. I couldn't care less about COVID. I am taking precautions and will continue to receive vaccines much like I do with the annual flu shot, but really it's time for me to start trying to live a sense of normalcy before the world goes to hell in a nuclear handbasket.
    4 points
  10. UFOs, Aliens, BigFoots, all in one thread!! Awesome. Me so happy This has to be the greatest thread of all time!
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  11. There are many kinds of rights one can sell on any given property. You can sell North American rights, digital rights, world rights, etc, etc. I doubt he sold "all rights." That'd be... dumb.
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  12. No. There is a difference. One of them you can have a conversation with. The other is almost on the level of being a bot. I'd rather converse with preacherman any day.
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  13. He did say "inflation was an [electoral] asset" sarcastically. It shows he wants to maintain the "brand". Marketing is bubbling to the surface in politics as leades try to connect with their customers. It's not really a sign of dementia, but it shows he's not quite so polished. He could have resorted to the textbook "inflation is better than deflation". He didn't. High Office probably is no longer the place for Baby Boomers.
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  15. You'll always be a rodent to me.
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  16. Wrap me in a canvas sheet and drop me six feet deep. Plant a tree on top of my corpse.
    4 points
  17. "Farewell To Restrictions": Denmark Set To Lift Covid Curbs, 1st In EU Copenhagen: Denmark will remove virtually all Covid restrictions from next Tuesday despite record infections, counting on a high vaccination rate to cope with the milder Omicron variant, the government said. [...] The successful vaccine programme proved a "super-weapon", Frederiksen said. "It has given us a solid defence against infection that continues. "That's why the government decided that coronavirus should no longer be considered a threatening disease for society." Source: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/denmark-coronavirus-coronavirus-in-denmark-covid-in-denmark-farewell-to-restrictions-denmark-set-to-lift-covid-curbs-1st-in-eu-2731828 Any thoughts?
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  18. A group of native tribes in California has regained ownership of more than 500 acres of redwood forestland they were forcibly removed from centuries ago. Save the Redwoods League, a non-profit, said the property is now owned by the Sinkyone Council, which represents "the original stewards of this land". Formerly known as Andersonia West, the forest in Mendocino County will return to its original name: Tc'ih-Léh-Dûñ. The name translates to "Fish Run Place" in the Sinkyone language. "Renaming the property Tc'ih-Léh-Dûñ lets people know that it's a sacred place; it's a place for our Native people," said Crista Ray, a board member of the Sinkyone Council, in a statement on Tuesday. "It lets them know that there was a language and that there was a people who lived there long before now." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60146334
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  19. A pet cat which went missing more than 11 years ago in north-east Scotland has been reunited with his owners. Fergus disappeared from his home in Forres, Moray, in late 2010. He was finally found 80 miles away in Aberdeen earlier this month by a Cats Protection volunteer following reports that a cat had been hanging around a recycling centre for several months. Fergus was then returned to his surprised owners after being identified by a microchip. It remains a mystery as to where Fergus had been in the intervening years, but it is thought that he may have made the journey to Aberdeen in a vehicle. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-60142736
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  20. My grandmother had a ball lightning encounter while at home cleaning with her mom. It was a warm summers day without rain or storms. It came in through the open front door, directly into the front room, and exited via an open window.
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  21. The engineers aboard the floating power station on Lake Kivu could only watch nervously as the volcano in the distance erupted violently, sending tremors rumbling through the water beneath them. It was not the lava shooting from Mount Nyiragongo last May that spooked them, but the enormous concentrations of potentially explosive gases within Kivu, one of Africa's great Rift lakes lying between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Flanked by rolling green hills tumbling into glassy waters, Kivu is not quite the picture of tranquility it seems, according to Francois Darchambeau from KivuWatt, a company that extracts gas from the lake's waters for electricity. Thousands of years of volcanic activity has caused a massive accumulation of methane and carbon dioxide to dissolve in the depths of Kivu – enough to prove monumentally destructive in the rare event they were released. https://www.sciencealert.com/killer-lake-in-africa-looks-like-paradise-but-it-s-hiding-a-vast-deadly-secret
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  22. On one level, chess seems like a simple game: 64 individual black or white squares, 16 pieces per side, and two competitors striving for conquest. Dig a little deeper though, and the game offers incredibly complex possibilities, posing challenges to chess theorists and mathematicians that can go unsolved for decades or even centuries. In July 2021, one such challenge was finally solved – at least, up to a point. Mathematician Michael Simkin, from Harvard University in Massachusetts, put his mind to the n-queens problem that has been puzzling experts since it was first imagined in the 1840s. https://www.sciencealert.com/a-harvard-mathematician-has-solved-an-epic-150-year-old-chess-problem https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/harvard-mathematician-answers-150-year-old-chess-problem/
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  23. Well, it continues. https://www.abc.net.au/religion/john-dickson-revisiting-the-historicity-of-jesus/13730526 Dickson, the author of the ABC network's first response to the poll, now replies to Pattenden, whose essay was the subject of my previous reply. Just a small factual gaffe: there aren't two paragraphs about Jesus in Josephus. There's one paragraph (the "Flavian Testimony" which Dickson accepts has been altered), plus the briefest possible mention (that a certain James was the brother of Jesus, called Christ) in a long story about shenanigans among the Temple priesthood in 62 CE. Otherwise, oddly, Dickson and his critic Pattenden actually seem to agree about the difference in quality and quantity of evidence about Jesus compared with more confidently believed historical figures, even ancient ones. There is the predictable comparison between those who question Jesus experts with those who deny climate change. Well, I suppose that's a refreshing change from comparing us with Holocaust deniers. The notion that there might be some more data available about climate compared with about Jesus is not explored in the essay. A final point for now, it is true that the terms "dependent" and its opposite, "independent," mean many different things in different contexts, and so maybe people do get confused. In the context of New Testament studies, when somebody says that "Mark is dependent on Paul's letters," they mean Mark read Paul and used what he read in telling his own story. And when somebody says "Matthew and Luke are dependent on Mark," they mean that Matthew and Luke copied great swaths of Mark's writing and incorporated it, sometimes word for word, other times with light "editing," into their own writing. And Q? That's a hypothetical document (= nobody has ever seen so much as a fragment of it) from which both Matthew and Luke supposedly copied, the most likely alternative being that Luke simply copied from Matthew instead. So Paul is our "independent" source for Jesus, then? Well, not exactly. The little he has to say about Jesus's life matches what he's read in the Jewish Bible. He thinks that's a feature, not a bug. He's very open about his gospel being "according to the scriptures." IMO, the miracle is that only 20% of grown-ups think this "evidence" is rubbish not entirely convincing.
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  25. While mapping radio waves across the universe, astronomers happened upon a celestial object releasing giant bursts of energy -- and it's unlike anything they've ever seen before. That was completely unexpected. It was kind of spooky for an astronomer because there's nothing known in the sky that does that. And it's really quite close to us -- about 4,000 light-years away. It's in our galactic backyard. Curtin University doctoral student Tyrone O'Doherty made the unusual discovery while using the Murchison Widefield Array telescope in the outback of Western Australia. "It's exciting that the source I identified last year has turned out to be such a peculiar object," O'Doherty said in a statement. "The MWA's wide field of view and extreme sensitivity are perfect for surveying the entire sky and detecting the unexpected." https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/26/world/unusual-space-object-transient-scn/index.html A radio transient with unusually slow periodic emission published 26 Jan 2022: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04272-x.epdf?sharing_token=6HJvGYZKrv7D1ZJ6-I3RadRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Of-uh9vqemKMq6w79pifdqdaY5xxIT2ZG7_2UyUWitYHtn2nWAH0KN9KVH1ZPtBPCPgSZf6Ty4EKa7iES8ZIXBH06_YjrYesrZyDvG2z7FFk7GH6Ci_iZEt7qrQIy4OChAGxpoBCGzchAJ3xjZH8tWeTI131s_eOWioW3ICuJbw0I0m7v7JG7FdwLDVOOTIFQ%3D&tracking_referrer=edition.cnn.com @zep73 @the13bats @eight bits
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  26. Russian and Ukrainian negotiators agreed that a permanent ceasefire in eastern Ukraine must be observed "unconditionally" following hours-long talks in Paris on Wednesday. The announcement came after a meeting at the Elysee Palace of the so-called Normandy Format -- a four-way conversation between representatives from Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France -- that has been trying to broker peace in eastern Ukraine since 2014. Tensions between Moscow and Kyiv are at their highest in years, with a large Russian troop build-up near the shared borders of the two former Soviet republics -- spurring fears that Russia could launch an invasion. Speaking after Wednesday's meeting, Moscow's chief negotiator Dmitry Kozak said the ceasefire must be observed "unconditionally" but that many other issues in eastern Ukraine remained unresolved. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/26/europe/ukraine-russia-normandy-format-ceasefire-talks-intl-hnk/index.html
    3 points
  27. Novel nothing. Its open knowledge Hunters done much work for Chinese companies. That they made 30 million, or whatever, is what is in the book. But, the actual connections are public knowledge now, if not what levels of money changed hands.
    3 points
  28. I think there used to be a better source than this and you are probably aware that I and quite a few others have some misgivings about Bruce's 'interesting' analysis 'techniques' .... but here's Bruce Maccabee's page. http://brumac.mysite.com/BATTLEOFLA/BOLA.html Unfortunately it is without anything much in the way of conclusions, and some of the analysis (eg the "Convergence Volume" stuff, which I think he just made up as it sounds cool...) is highly questionable. But his image processing isn't all that bad, and they don't suffer from the faked/added flying saucer shape that appears on a lot of the retouched versions.
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  29. It is sensible to lift restrictions and get life back to normal. If you are overweight then get to a healthy weight. If you have comorbidity factors then be very careful (why can't the phrma companies move as fast as their bug jab hopes on covid to try and resolve those issues?) For everyone else. Especially as viruses tend to get milder over time. Get on with living and enjoy life.
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  30. Nice posts, but i feel they are falling on deaf ears. Better for the audience here would be a topic on what kind of worms Ivermectin kills or what dose of urine to drink for the type of cold you have.
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  31. Mr Walker you conception of Buddhism amounts to internet searches and then what you can cut and paste. It’s very obvious you have not studied the subject or contemplated it’s meaning and value. I am fully aware of engaged Buddhism, and I am able to converse about the subject without reference. However. your do not realize that by posting information doesn’t show you understand the concept, or that your knowledgeable about the subject. Why you choose to use Wikipedia, and cut - paste I have no idea because you’d not fooling anyone. Here are the principles that Engaged Buddhism was built upon, if you want to learn about this Buddhist philosophy of mindfulness you may want to read and memorize them. The Fourteen Precepts of Engaged Buddhism 1. Do not be idolatrous about or bound to any doctrine, theory, or ideology, even Buddhist ones. Buddhist systems of thought are guiding means; they are not absolute truth. 2. Do not think the knowledge you presently possess is changeless, absolute truth. Avoid being narrow-minded and bound to present views. Learn and practice non-attachment from views in order to be open to receive others’ viewpoints. Truth is found in life and not merely in conceptual knowledge. Be ready to learn throughout your entire life and to observe reality in yourself and in the world at all times. 3. Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education. However, through compassionate dialogue, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness. 4. Do not avoid contact with suffering or close your eyes before suffering. Do not lose awareness of the existence of suffering in the life of the world. Find ways to be with those who are suffering, including personal contact, visits, images, and sounds. By such means, awaken yourself and others to the reality of suffering in the world. 5. Do not accumulate wealth while millions are hungry. Do not take as the aim of your life fame, profit, wealth, or sensual pleasure. Live simply and share time, energy, and material resources with those who are in need. 6. Do not maintain anger or hatred. Learn to penetrate and transform them when they are still seeds in your consciousness. As soon as they arise, turn your attention to your breath in order to see and understand the nature of your hatred. 7. Do not lose yourself in dispersion and in your surroundings. Practice mindful breathing to come back to what is happening in the present moment. Be in touch with what is wondrous, refreshing, and healing both inside and around you. Plant seeds of joy, peace, and understanding in yourself in order to facilitate the work of transformation in the depths of your consciousness. 8. Do not utter words that can create discord and cause the community to break. Make every effort to reconcile and resolve all conflicts, however small. 9. Do not say untruthful things for the sake of personal interest or to impress people. Do not utter words that cause division and hatred. Do not spread news that you do not know to be certain. Do not criticize or condemn things of which you are not sure. Always speak truthfully and constructively. Have the courage to speak out about situations of injustice, even when doing so may threaten your own safety. 10. Do not use the Buddhist community for personal gain or profit, or transform your community into a political party. A religious community, however, should take a clear stand against oppression and injustice and should strive to change the situation without engaging in partisan conflicts. 11. Do not live with a vocation that is harmful to humans and nature. Do not invest in companies that deprive others of their chance to live. Select a vocation that helps realize your ideal of compassion. 12. Do not kill. Do not let others kill. Find whatever means possible to protect life and prevent war. 13. Possess nothing that should belong to others. Respect the property of others, but prevent others from profiting from human suffering or the suffering of other species on Earth. 14. Do not mistreat your body. Learn to handle it with respect. Do not look on your body as only an instrument. Preserve vital energies (sexual, breath, spirit) for the realization of the Way. (For brothers and sisters who are not monks and nuns) Sexual expression should not take place without love and commitment. In sexual relationships, be aware of future suffering that may be caused. To preserve the happiness of others, respect the rights and commitments of others. Be fully aware of the responsibility of bringing new lives into the world. Meditate on the world into which you are bringing new beings. https://www.learnreligions.com/proselytization-and-buddhism-449625 Mr. Walker the bolded sentences above apply directly apply to you in every respect! In every single comment bolded above you directly violate those principles in every post. I have brought this directly to your attention on more than one occasion. However, you do not contemplate any constructive criticism, you just continue to live in a world of complete fantasy. Maybe you don’t realize it, maybe you don’t care, or possibly you are unable to comprehend what is being said, but in any case all of the comments bolded shine a bright light on the attempts you make to act like you understand the subject OBVIOUSLY, CLEARly AND DISTURBINGLY. Proselytizing The historical Buddha openly disagreed with many of the teachings of the Brahmins, Jains, and other religious people of his day. Nevertheless, he taught his disciples to respect clergy and followers of other religions. Further, in most schools of Buddhism aggressive proselytizing is discouraged. Proselytizing is defined by dictionaries as attempting to convert someone from one religion or belief to another, or arguing that your position as the only correct one. I want to make it clear proselytizing is not the same as simply sharing one's religious beliefs or practices without trying to "push" them or force them on others. I'm sure you're aware that some religious traditions insist on proselytizing. But going back to the time of the historical Buddha, our tradition has been for a Buddhist not to speak of the Buddha dharma until asked. Some schools require being asked three times. The Pali Vinaya-pitaka, rules for the monastic orders, forbids monks and nuns from preaching to people who seem disinterested or disrespectful. It's also against the Vinaya rules to teach people who are in vehicles, or walking, or who are sitting while the monastic is standing. So again Mr. Walker on the subject of Buddhist Proselytizing you are again completely confused and trying to push your personal dogma and inject it into a conversation where like I have told you it doesn’t belong! Because your unable, unwilling or can not comprehend it doesn’t prove anything except your lack of ability to conceptualize and to apply critical thinking to the subject at hand. Last Mr. Walker there is a great deal you could learn if you approached these conversations with mind set of a student, and not a teacher. Because Mr. Walker, you are certainly not able to teach this subject in a manner that is inline with present Buddhist teachings, this fact is according to Buddhas beliefs, and the Dharma itself. Mr. Walk walking the Buddhist Path and practicing a philosophy are far different than the bastardized way you attempt to approach the philosophy and it’s a bit insulting to anyone who practices the Philosophy. I believe sincerely you should stick to Christian beliefs and continue to follow Mr. Bucke who was the inventor of the Cosmic Consciousness you tell everyone you were born with! Peace Mr. Walker, I hope you contemplate what I have said here because that would certainly be more beneficial than repeating comments about what you believe, which is not part of the Buddhist methods of teaching or its philosophy!
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  32. There are those that pretend you get sick, little chance of dying and that is it. Wrong, so very very wrong. The deaths which have been far higher before the vaccines has been well known. The attack on multiple organs has been well known.
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  33. Covid is here to stay like the Flu and twenty boosters a year ain’t going to stop it so your problem is never going to be solved. I personally am vaccinated but I believe in freedom of choice don’t like then stay home and let the rest of us live our lives.
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  34. Joe Rogan Accused Of Spreading Anti-Vaccine Misinformation (forbes.com)
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  35. I am going out on a limb here, but I bet he was never removed from the list. Instead he was never accepted for a transplant. I know that the article suggests he was removed. That I bet is an error in the article. I also bet that the issue is not just the COVID-19 vaccines, but I bet a slew of vaccines that he is missing and the family is only bringing up one issue.
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  36. Well some muso you are. meh. The article has supporting links too. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/01/14/doctors-scientists-petition-spotify-to-stop-joe-rogan-experience-covid-19-misinformation/?sh=6f04351668fc Pick a link. It's all over the net. Not hard to find. I'm sure you can even find a right wing source if you try. Considering that it's your thread, I'm surprised you haven't seen them. Here is the letter https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/ Depends on who the people are. People are supposedly there to get information. They would get more be accurate information from play school. If you ask a fringe nutter a question it's not to anyone's benefit other than those in the interview. The letter above should suffice. It was written by people who know more about Covid than you I, or Rogan. FFS dude really? How have you missed the threads where he constantly plays covid down, took invermectin when he had Covid, gave platform to that whackjob Malone, and called vaccines gene therapy. Anyone who think Rogan is smarter than they are must have no self esteem at all. Going to a twit for advice never ends well. I'd love to see Spotify grow a pair and turf idiot Rogan, but he's too good a cash cow. They won't.
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  37. Yes Rogan promotes Covid misinformation. It's been discussed in several threads. Wow. Huge respect to Neil Young. Good on him, he is a great guy. Never was a fan as he is so politically orientated but good to see he still fights the good fight. Rogan is am uniformed twit. Doctors have made the same complaint. They described the podcast as: "a sociological issue of devastating proportions." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/covid-misinformation-joe-rogan-spotify-petition-1282240/amp/ I Spotify will care. I would say Rogan makes them more money than Neil Young does. There's a lot of ignorant people out there grasping at straws.
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  38. 2 out of 5 is 7%? According to my calculations it would actually be 40%. I'm not counting the last bullet point and even then it would be 2 out of 6. Or ~33% Explains a lot about why your infamous meter is always a mess.
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  39. A bit of insight into papameter algorithm...
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  40. You may not like us pointing it out, but it's true nonetheless - if this was Trump the reaction from the media would have been very different, and far more negative than the coverage Biden received. Instead of making excuses, why not question why the double standard exists to begin with? If you want to avoid Trumpian arguments, then answer just half the question - why is the media not holding Biden accountable for this negative behaviour? You can attempt to address that question without referencing Trump in any way.
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  41. Getting F's is nothing to be proud of for most people. The better your grades the more scholarships you can get for college. Even if college isn't going to happen, it's good to be educated.
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  42. So are you thinking this all fits into some government conspiracy to control us? Did they wreck their own economies on purpose just to see their citizens suffer? Are you thinking they are evil and cruel sociopaths doing it for fun instead of money? How do you make a case for this alternative that the government, hospitals, and doctors you might have known for decades have all gone to the dark side?
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  43. The big problem is that we were told the vaccine was for the people who could get them to protect those if us with medical conditions who can't. All if a sudden we are these horrible people. I really don't appreciate being judged because my health providers told me not to get the vaccine. I will follow their advice before some judgemental yahoo's wishing death or further ill health on me and others like me.
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