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The Sudarium of Oviedo

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user posted image rLying in the Cathedral of Oviedo, Spain in relative obscurity compared to its more famous cousin, the Sudarium presents a better provenance and history than the Shroud and may be the sole surviving relic of the crucifixion that has made it to modern times.

Measuring 34" by 21", the Sudarium is a bloodstained cloth purported to have covered the head of Jesus of Nazareth after his burial.

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Harriet The Ripperologist

I saw a fantastic documentary about the Turin Shroud called Secrets of The Dead and it did mention the Sudarium. Tests on the blood on the Sudarium found that it is the same blood found on the Shroud and it does have a clearer past than the Shroud. But why does it have to be the shroud of Jesus, because he wasn't the only man who was crucified at the time, now was he?

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But why does it have to be the shroud of Jesus, because he wasn't the only man who was crucified at the time, now was he?

You certainly have a good point, but who would keep a bloody cloth if it was from a common thief? Since the Sudarium had so much importance to keep it safe and even smuggled out of Palestine, for any follower, this is very convincing and compelling to believe it might have been used for Christ.

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Repoman
Tests on the blood on the Sudarium found that it is the same blood found on the Shroud and it does have a clearer past than the Shroud.

And since the shroud of Turin has been proven to be from mediaeval times, this means that the Sudarium cloth must also be a fake.

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Enrique H.
And since the shroud of Turin has been proven to be from mediaeval times, this means that the Sudarium cloth must also be a fake.

If you rely heavily on the phenomenon of science, then your creative mind will sure blunder. No one knows for certain, that's what it boils down to.

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If you rely heavily on the phenomenon of science, then your creative mind will sure blunder. No one knows for certain, that's what it boils down to.

actually it doesn't make sence the shoud being real. why ? because there is no demension represented in the shroud. they wrapped a body in it yet there is no depth of form - the thickness of thigh ect....... it is an outline only of what you see head on.

this isn't what you would get if you actually wrapped a body in a cloth. try it. get a large doll or even a friend. slather them , or even a part of them , like a leg in ketchup thinned with water , and wrap it lengh wise . lightly and not a permanent wrapping since Jesus wasn't prepared for burial yet but they would have wrapped him. now what do you see ? you'd see the front of the leg , the back of the leg , the sole of the foot and the sides of the leg.

the sides of the legs isn't on the shroud. they should be.

I've used blood in paintings. so have other artists. it's easy to make a shroud.

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actually it doesn't make sence the shoud being real. why ? because there is no demension represented in the shroud. they wrapped a body in it yet there is no depth of form - the thickness of thigh ect....... it is an outline only of what you see head on.

this isn't what you would get if you actually wrapped a body in a cloth. try it. get a large doll or even a friend. slather them , or even a part of them , like a leg in ketchup thinned with water , and wrap it lengh wise . lightly and not a permanent wrapping since Jesus wasn't prepared for burial yet but they would have wrapped him. now what do you see ? you'd see the front of the leg , the back of the leg , the sole of the foot and the sides of the leg.

the sides of the legs isn't on the shroud. they should be.

I've used blood in paintings. so have other artists. it's easy to make a shroud.

Great point, Ripley.

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And since the shroud of Turin has been proven to be from mediaeval times, this means that the Sudarium cloth must also be a fake.

I thought carbon dating on the Shroud of Turin was a bit iffy due to fire altering it's actual date?

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AXJ

I have seen the Sudarium in person. Mentioned in John 20:5-7. It came to Spain via the Roman Port of Sagunto, to Toledo, and in 711 when the Muslims invaded to the Cathedral of Oviedo.

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