__Kratos__ Posted September 1, 2007 #26 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Kratos-- Who are all the Jews coming for ? People they disagree with. We should speak up before it's too late for the rest of us. Not like their religion wasn't evil before the Nazis came... And it's still evil today. - As I say that as an atheist, it's only really a matter of time to some people that it should be labled "hate speech" and be unacceptable despite what the torah spews out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted September 1, 2007 #27 Share Posted September 1, 2007 People they disagree with. We should speak up before it's too late for the rest of us. Not like their religion wasn't evil before the Nazis came... And it's still evil today. - As I say that as an atheist, it's only really a matter of time to some people that it should be labled "hate speech" and be unacceptable despite what the torah spews out. "rest of us"?...who have they already come for and taken ? Hate speech is hate speech no matter who is saying it and against whom, why focus on the jews so much, there are plenty of haters out there. There are more fundamentalist christians and muslims who spew hateful bile than there are jews in the world, and surely you don't mean all jews, just the crazy fundamentalist ones which number what, a few hundred thousand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted September 1, 2007 Author #28 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Moon Monkey: all Kahanists videos I've seen don't have the word "kahanist" in their title. I could post them but that would be like posting a Nazi video. So you can ask me to PM you the links and i'll prove it to you. Right now I'm looking at a youtube user with 68 videos about a Kahanist leader who hates muslims and other religions. And another user that has 119 other videos about the same terroist kahanist leader. Yet youtube does NOTHING about this? Yet somehow they like to pretend Nazi videos are somehow worse than these?? and by the way: These videos also use the N word in Hebrew, which ofcourse I won't type. Edited September 1, 2007 by Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted September 1, 2007 #29 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Moon Monkey: all Kahanists videos I've seen don't have the word "kahanist" in their title. I could post them but that would be like posting a Nazi video. So you can ask me to PM you the links and it'll proove and i'll prove it to you. Right now I'm looking at a youtube user with 68 videos about a Kahanist leader who hates muslims and other religions. And another user that has 119 other videos about the same terroist kahanist leader. Yet youtube does NOTHING about this? Yet somehow they like to pretend Nazi videos are somehow worse than these?? Obviously I cannot comment on videos I have not seen so yeh, please PM me and I will have a look tomorrow. If they incite racial hatred, which it seems this group do, then I would join in a call to ban them. However type Hamas into youtube and you will get the same sort of thing, its the other side of the coin, jewish fundamentalist nutters as opposed to muslim fundamentalist nutters. I am sure a lot of jews would like the hamas stuff off there so why does that remain ? BTW you do know that the Kahanists are classed as an illegal terrorist organisation in Israel and has been under shabak investigation for years and many of its leaders were jailed. Meanwhile Hamas are elected to government. Edited September 1, 2007 by Moon Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted September 1, 2007 Author #30 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) However type Hamas into youtube and you will get the same sort of thing, its the other side of the coin, jewish fundamentalist nutters as opposed to muslim fundamentalist nutters. I am sure a lot of jews would like the hamas stuff off there so why does that remain ? Thats my point-- Theres videos JUST as bad as Nazism or even worse on that site yet only Nazi videos are removed. Its a double standard. 300 Kahanists videos, Pro-terroist videos, anti-'aryan' videos (Latinos that make fun of 'white' or 'aryan' policemen), etc... All of these are reported daily yet these self-interest groups only care about the ones that effect them. BTW you do know that the Kahanists are classed as an illegal terrorist organisation in Israel and has been under shabak investigation for years and many of its leaders were jailed. Meanwhile Hamas are elected to government. Yes I mentioned that in PM. Edited September 1, 2007 by Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted September 1, 2007 #31 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) Maybe you are allowed to hate one group but not more, the nazis just hate too many groups and go beyond the quota. Imagine the middle east if that kahanist lot ever got elected, and people thought Sharon was bad. Edited September 1, 2007 by Moon Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted September 1, 2007 #32 Share Posted September 1, 2007 "rest of us"?...who have they already come for and taken ? Hate speech is hate speech no matter who is saying it and against whom, why focus on the jews so much, there are plenty of haters out there. There are more fundamentalist christians and muslims who spew hateful bile than there are jews in the world, and surely you don't mean all jews, just the crazy fundamentalist ones which number what, a few hundred thousand ? The free speech of the people of these videos. Hate speech is free speech. Who cares if you disagree with them... Just silence them because you disagree? Stalin did that and it was a violation of human rights... Jews do it and it's applauded? Who cares if there are more christians and muslim haters out there? Immorality is still evil no matter how many other brands of immorality are on the shelf next to it. Sure, I do mean all jews... I spoke of the torah being evil and immoral... So I'm talking about everybody who follows the torah as immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omerta Posted September 1, 2007 #33 Share Posted September 1, 2007 (edited) hmm.. they get rid of anti-semetic videos yet they allow this one Dirty Kuffar Edited September 1, 2007 by omerta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted September 1, 2007 #34 Share Posted September 1, 2007 hmm.. they get rid of anti-semetic videos yet they allow this one Dirty Kuffar They allow it because that's the muslim religion. Can't really censor religion on religion bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted September 1, 2007 #35 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Mars--I searched "kahanist" on youtube and it returned 8 clips, one was a bunch of inbred nutters singing about revenge (I didn't see any racial hatred in the video whatever this groups beliefs may be), one was an anti-talmud christian video and the other 6 were parts of a documentary and I have only seen the first part so far and it paints this group in a pretty horrible light, they do seem a pretty disgusting bunch, but it is hardly propaganda for them. What search keywords produce the other 52+, I tried "kahan" but that was all bollywood musicals. Going by the clips I have seen I think the difference is that there isn't incitement to racial hatred in the clips and if there were I would hope they would be deleted along with the nazi ones. A clip of nazis dancing and singing "we love hitler" wouldn't bother me, a bunch of nazis singing, " the jews are parasites and must be wiped out" would. Kratos-- Who are all the Jews coming for ? Try http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...p;search=Search returns some more and its quite stomach turning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted September 2, 2007 #36 Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) As we don't have access to the nazi videos that were pulled it is hard to compare, it really depends what was in them as it does seem a level of race-hate is tolerated on you-tube, maybe it is the call to slaughter other races that is found unpalletable. The JTF stuff Mars PM'ed me was a bit sad and paranoid but to be honest if they are going to leave Hamas/Hezbollah stuff on there then I suppose they must leave this stuff. Personally I would prefer the lot gone and although there was no call for slaughter I could see how to an impressionable mind this could be incitement to racial hatred. They seemed more like crappy, home-made conspiracy movies or the BNP stuff we get in the UK, possibly a level or two of hate below the nazi viewpoint. The Kahane stuff from Questionmark I saw wasn't exactly stomach churning, an unpleasant point of view I agree but not incitement to racial hatred in my opinion but maybe I just struck lucky with the random 4 or 5 I watched over the first couple of pages. Kratos--Anyone who follows any of these old fairy tales literally is simply ridiculous IMO. In one post you talk about followers of the torah as being immoral and then in the next one you say you cannot censor religion on religion bashing, which is it ? Or would you like to qualify your posts with 'followers of all religions are immoral'. The rest are just as bad and due to weight of numbers, and sometimes access to the corridors of power such as the white house, much more dangerous , so why focus on the evil jews ? Stalin killed millions, anyone who didn't agree with him or he considered a threat, some Jews petitioned you-tube to remove videos calling for their slaughter. How can you equate the two is beyond me. Edited September 2, 2007 by Moon Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cradle of Fish Posted September 2, 2007 #37 Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) Yet youtube does NOTHING about this? Yet somehow they like to pretend Nazi videos are somehow worse than these?? It is my understanding that you can report offensive videos, why dont you try that first instead of crying about hypocracy? And you keep bringing this back to free speech. Maybe in the real world it would be a free speech issue, but YouTube is a business, they reserve the right to remove anything which breaches their code of conduct: http://youtube.com/t/community_guidelines "We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we don't permit hate speech which contains slurs or the malicious use of stereotypes intended to attack or demean a particular gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, or nationality." If you feel these anti-white videos fit that kind of hate speech, report them. Edited September 2, 2007 by Cradle of Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted September 2, 2007 Author #38 Share Posted September 2, 2007 (edited) Cradle of Fish: Almost everyone who posted on that video reported them. Infact, Youtube removed around 50 extemist kahanists videos a few months ago-- then the kahanists complained to YOutube and Youtube was forced to put them back up. I woulndn't personally report those videos, I just wanted to point out how hypocritical it was to ban Nazism when Hamas, Fatah, Kahanists, etc.. videos are allowed. If you want to get rid of extremism then why just focus on the neo-nazis who are considered a JOKE by most people?? Maybe in the real world it would be a free speech issue, but YouTube is a business, they reserve the right to remove anything which breaches their code of conduct: Yeah and I agree. I dont' think Freedom of Speech applies to websites. Youtube is the company that PAYS for the Bandwith to host all those videos, not me. However I'm simply pointing out its pretty hypocritical of them to do this. But I blame the Jewish group more, which I'm guessing is the NAACP of Germany. Edited September 2, 2007 by Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted September 2, 2007 #39 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Cradle of Fish: Almost everyone who posted on that video reported them. Infact, Youtube removed around 50 extemist kahanists videos a few months ago-- then the kahanists complained to YOutube and Youtube was forced to put them back up. I woulndn't personally report those videos, I just wanted to point out how hypocritical it was to ban Nazism when Hamas, Fatah, Kahanists, etc.. videos are allowed. If you want to get rid of extremism then why just focus on the neo-nazis who are considered a JOKE by most people?? Yeah and I agree. I dont' think Freedom of Speech applies to websites. Youtube is the company that PAYS for the Bandwith to host all those videos, not me. However I'm simply pointing out its pretty hypocritical of them to do this. But I blame the Jewish group more, which I'm guessing is the NAACP of Germany. Neo-nazis are not considered a joke by most people, not really a threat to world peace either but certainly not a joke. Why blame the Jewish groups ? They object to this material from groups that celebrate the deaths of millions of their race, simply for being born of that race, and call for more of the same and you-tube (google?) removes it. Maybe they are more organised than most groups in arranging a widespread petition but you can hardly blame them for either wanting it removed or for its removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted September 2, 2007 #40 Share Posted September 2, 2007 And here an example that it is neither new nor unique: Royal pardon for YouTube site THAILAND has lifted a five-month ban on the video-sharing website YouTube after it agreed to block any video clips deemed offensive to the nation's revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej, left. YouTube owner Google installed filters to stop Thais from accessing clips insulting the 79-year-old monarch, a ministry official said. Source: News.Scotsman.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ships-cat Posted September 2, 2007 #41 Share Posted September 2, 2007 And here an example that it is neither new nor unique: Royal pardon for YouTube site THAILAND has lifted a five-month ban on the video-sharing website YouTube after it agreed to block any video clips deemed offensive to the nation's revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej, left. YouTube owner Google installed filters to stop Thais from accessing clips insulting the 79-year-old monarch, a ministry official said. Source: News.Scotsman.com When in Rome..... Meow Purr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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