Is the Biblical Yahweh actually a dragon?

June 13, 2008

Alot of Christians nowadays are saying that the description of the leviathan matches perfectly with a sauropod, and thus a young earth...

lol why am I not surprised? All we need now are crazy literalists FOR evolution!! :hmm: These are stories!!! Meant to have SPIRITUAL significance, not to solve questions of science.....

June 13, 2008

Before dismissing this out of hand, I would ask everyone read the whole post, and read it from the premise that Yahweh and El (Elohim) the actual Creator are two seperate entities, (as many serious Biblical scholars have proposed), with Yahweh actually being the one of many Bene Elohim, which also includes the creature Satan, long associated with flying serpents and dragons. I repeat, I am not proposing that "God is a Dragon", but that the Creator (El, Elohim), created "dragons" as assistants, that have been mistaken as our Gods around the world, including the "Watcher Dragon" of the Hebrews called Yahweh, who through a minunderstanding of scripture is now worshipped by most Christians and Jews as the actual creator.
Here are the facts:

1. The highest heavenly creatures are called Seraphim, a word which the highly esteemed and scholarly Jewish Enclyclopedia states means "fiery flying serpent", though medieval Christians have transformed these "dragons" into the more familiar, swan-winged, "cartoon" angels of popular culture. When the ancient Jews translated the word Seraphim into Greek, the word they used was drakon, which is the word our modern "dragon" is derived from.

2. The only graven image/idol Yahweh ever permits is that of a "fiery flying serpent", obviously his personal image, This image has supernatural powers, and Yahweh allows it to be freely worshipped in Solomon's temple. As soon as the idol is broken, disaster befalls Israel and it has never recovered until the late 20th century.

3. The flood story of Genesis is believed by most Biblical scholars to be a "retelling" of near identical, yet far older Sumerian versions in which the God name Enlil, who is also subservient to a greater Creator God is called "a Great Serpent-Dragon of Heaven". His hymns also associate him with rainbows as we see in Genesis, and he is called "the good shepherd".

4. Some scholars acknowledge that the Name Yahweh comes from the Cannanite Dragon God Yaw, who like the Biblical Yahweh is a god of storms and floods, but is a "son" of the true Creator Elohim, also the name of the Creator in Genesis, not Yahweh.

5. Virtually every world culture had identified the winged intelligent dragon as a real creature, and most of the earliest cultures recognize it as the creatue that brought them knowledge of agriculture and technology. This is also true in the Judaic legends with the reptilian "watchers".

6. In Exodous, Yahweh leaves his dragon sized tent, and flies ahead of the Israelites to burn away impassable briars and scorpions. He marks the route by spewing smoke and fire.

7. Yahweh plops his huge dragon body in the bed of the Jordan River upstream to divert its flow so the Hebrews can cross its bed to attack Jericho.

8. He is specifically described spewing fire from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils, exactly like the dragon like Leviathan that the Bible states he "plays" with. (A female dragon?)

9. Many biblical passages imply that Yahweh physically consumed his meat offerings unlike the "fake" gods of other cultures. The Bible is very specific that Yahweh wanted salt on his meat as well, suggesting these offereing were physically consumed and not merely burned to ashes.

10. Like many legendary dragons, Yahweh occasionally "consumes" humans as well, to include two of Aaron's sons who prepared a sacrifice wrong. In scripture, Yahweh demanded the first born of all Israelites, but the bible says it was possible to pay him money instead, on a sliding scale, also indicating the univesal dragon love of hoarding treasure.

11. The preferred prey of dragons in most cultures are "human virgins" for reasons which are not entirely understood. This trait is very apparent in the Bible as well, where Moses presents Yahweh with 32 Midianite virgins after the Israelite destruction of this tribe. No more is said of them so we can only assume they were "consumed" like Aaron's sons.

12. The Persian Zoroastrians, whom share much reiligous doctrine with Christianity clearly state in their own scriptures (the Denkard), that the "God" of Judaism and Christianity who watched of the Israelites and provided their laws was a dragon, and brother to the dragon Ahriman in their own religion. Interestingly, the storm dragon of Sumeria who flooded the world happened to be brother to the dragon Enki who livied the the garden of Eden and who "tricked" a man named "Adam" out of eternal life.

13. Some Christian gnostics also state Yahweh is a dragon in their scriptures.

14. Jesus stated the Pharisees were worshipping a creature that was NOT his father. Many Christians claim Jesus meant Satan, but this does not make sense, for the Jews clearly worshipped Yahweh and clearly recognized Satan as a distinctly different creature which they definately DID NOT worship. Could Jesus have been referring to the Yahweh dragon? After all he did not call to Yahweh from the cross, but to El. The first paragraphs of the Bible show these are two different entities, for El's creation story is completely different from Yahweh's, far less scientific one.

15. Yahweh is described with "feathers", as depicted on most of the most acnient dragon wings and this idea lasted until medieval times, after which dragons became less commonly seen. Saphira in Eragon is reminesecent of these ancient dragon depictions, and probably inspired the design of this character.

Actually there is enough evidence of Yahweh "being a dragon" to literally "fill a book", (as it indeed has, in my upcoming one on this precise subject des), but thought this is an adequate amount of Biblical facts to gender an interesting discussion.

Can anyone refute these Biblical facts? And shouldn't Christians want to embrace these facts, for the worldwide belief in dragons as benificent supernatural entities has far more theological and even scientific precedent than "a bearded old guy on a golden throne? Might it not be a good idea to recreate the fiery flying serpent image Yahweh ordered Moses to make, something very good that cured sickness, and which Yahweh allowed to be worshipped in his temple for centuries, Israel prospering during all the time it was worshipped, and was virtually annihlated as soon as it was broken?

And might there not be some volunteer virgins willing to appease Him for the good of all mankind, not to mention starting up a daily ration of unblemished calves and lambs like the good old days? And liqour. He asks for liquor in the Book of Genesis. (Actually a lot of the ancient Dragon Gods ask for liquor).

Get serious, once again you show your lack of knowledge of God's word and use blatant lies and false claims. I would have thought you'd given this stuff up by now draconic chronicler. Here is a point by point answer to all your unfounded points and claims. As I did for you I ask you read the whole post.....

1. The fact that the Seraphim angels seems from their names and descriptions to have alot in common with dragons, and the creatures God created in the wilderness that have a similar name called seraph serpents, were indeed as the name says, serpents. Doesn't really have anything to do with whether the One God YHVH Elohim is in fact not one God but two seperate entities, nor does it suggest that just because a type of God's angels is dragonic like, that God, or from your point of view, the one known as YHVH is a seraphim or a dragon in anyway.

2. First off this statement is plain false. King Solomon decorated his Temple with Cherubims all over it. God fortold through his prophet that the third Temple will be decorated with Palm Trees and Cherubim on the walls/doors and such. AND God commanded that Cherubim (statues/images) be made on the cover of the Ark of the Covenant!!! Cherubim not being a dragon or dragon like type of angel, but a four faces four winged variety that God is enthroned upon. If a dragon, a serpent, or even a seraphim angel is the symbol or emblem preffered by God it's not shown to be so in history for history would suggest that he uses Cherubim as emblems on and around his most Holy made places not a dragon or seraphim. Second, the serpent Moses made is in no way suggested to be a physical appearance representation of God, nor did God ever condone his people worshiping the image. Because God allowed such worship of the serpent as well as all false idols they worshiped from time to time doesn't suggest it was what he wanted, on the contrary he frequently punished Israel for worshiping idols (but he gives us free will). When the image of the serpent was destroyed it was recorded as a good thing, King Hezekiah is praised as being a good King right before it's told he destroyed it and right after it's told he has destroyed it: 2 Ki 18:3 And he [King Hezekiah] did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. 2 Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan (just like to note the serpent was named, and it wasn't named YHVH). And right after he destroyed it it's written....: 2 Ki 18:7 And the Lord was always with him; he was successful wherever he turned. He rebelled against the king of Assyria and would not serve him. 8 He overran Philistia as far as Gaza and its border areas, from watch tower to fortified town. Clearly God was pleased with Hezekiah, not angry with him for breaking his image, because the serpent wasn't an image of him. Now, it's true that the serpent made signified Christ, the faith in the statue healing the Israelites symbolizes the faith in Christ that heals and gives life, and the lifting up of the serpent by Moses symbolizes and foretells of Christ's ressurection and rise to his Father in Heaven. But clearly, Jesus was no dragon, but the Son of Man, the Son of the Living God. The sufferings of Israel that would later come to it after the serpent's destruction were due to a confluence of events, mainly the continuance of King after King of both Israel and Judah as well as most of the people continually turning away from God.

3. Biblical knowledge and the truth of God's word can not be found or compared to other works from heathens or any other people. A story that was wrote down first does not make it the actual truth of an event. A story written by man, and in the case of summerians probably transcribed from the mouth of satan or one of his angels, is either a non first hand account being that the man wasn't there or a partial truth littered with lies by a fallen angel. Whereas the Biblical account is the Word of God from the mouth of God, a first hand account since he was there, and the truth since he IS the truth.

4. The Cannanites were a cursed people, and once again if it's not biblical word it can't be compared to it since it's bound to be flawed. And regardless, as you know most cultures have revered dragon or serpent like images or animals throughout history, so the cannanites doing so is nothing new, nor does it prove or show anything. Elohim means God. When Moses asked what God's name was, he answered by saying Ehyah-Aher-Ehyeh he continued thus shall you speak to the Israelites, Ehyeh sent me to you. From this God (Elohim) who was speaking to Moses gives him his name which is properlly spelled Yod Heh Vav Heh (YHVH). It's meaning translated as: I Am That I Am; I Am Who I Am; I Will Be What I Will Be. The Name YHVH from it's root HVH meaning To Be. And what is Jesus? I AM. God's name, Elohim's name being YHVH. God being ONE. The Lord Jesus not being a dragon! God not being a dragon, his name meaning I AM. His name meaning my nature will become evident by my actions.

5. Where are the watchers described as reptilian???? If I recall aren't just about all angels reffered to as watchers?

6. And Hashem was going before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, to go by day and by night. He did not remove the pillar of cloud by day, or the pillar of fire by night, from before the people. ...... Where did you get all that other stuff you mentioned??? Are you making things up now????

7. Again, complete fabrication!!! You have no source for your information, your just making things up. I thought you were saying YHVH was a dragon not a behemoth mentioned in Job?

8. Does God not enjoy all his creations? A female dragon??? "Can you fill HIS skin with darts or HIS head with fish spears? Lay a hand on HIM and you will never think of battle again."

9. Physically consumed by the Fire of the Lord, as he displayed many times in public. It's never seen or stated that the Lord chewed or swallowed his burnt offerings. Common sensely he BURNT (consumed with Fire) his Burnt offerings. It's also written then they gave up pleasing odor's unto the Lord. He only came down and consumed the offerings in Fire on special occasions, other times just allowing the Priests to burn them unto him, the odor of their sacrafice pleasing the Lord.

10. Again, the sons were killed by Fire, not by being eaten by a dragon. It's written God is a consuming Fire, not God is a consuming dragon. The first born are told to be given over to the service of the Lord, not for food, the Lord loathed the sacrafice of humans that the heathens had done. The practice of redeeming the first born being a prepetual sign of Christ to come and a symbol of passover (which Christ is the Paschal lamb of) done because God had killed the first born of egypt, the blood of the lamb redeeming Israel's first born and therefore the first born of Israelites requireing a small price to pay unto the Lord for their first born.

11. You refer to Numbers 31:18 not only does in not mention the number 32 in either the King James Version I have or my Jewish Bible. But it never mentions anything along the lines of what you claim. The Medianite women were ordered to be destroyed by the Lord that had known a man because they were the ones that were sleeping with the Israelite males and inducing them to sin and blasphem. But the virgin women, or the women children that had not known a man (being a virgin) that obviously were not the ones who were inducing the Israelites to sin were spared. The Jewish bible translates but spare every woman that has not had carnal relations with a man. The King James translates keep alive for yourselves. CLEARLY, God states and his word indicates the women were SPARED/KEPT ALIVE, not given over to a dragon to be eaten!!!!!

12. Again comparing non scripture to scripture to explain what the scriptures say/mean..... It can't be done. The summerians were corrupt, as the book of enki shows from it's begining the writer is influenced and dictated to by a fallen angel whose words he writes down. A bag of lies wrotten down.

13. The gnostic scriptures also state women needed to undergo a sex change to be saved don't they???? Sex change, be a man, become a man, something like that.... The gnostics were heretics, not believing in God's true word but changing it, even stating people were saved from the flood by space ships if I recall.

14. Jesus said they didn't know his Father for those that knew his Father knew the Son and they didn't know him. Clearly, the Pharisees (alot of them, not all obviously) but the higher ups, were corrupt and didn't worship God properly with their heart or know him. But nothing suggests they worshiped a dragon, nor a dragon by God's name.

15. The fact that God is said to shade people under the shadow of his wings and such does not make him a dragon. All you do is make wild assumptions and claims that have no real basis of fact or reality. God is not a dragon God is YHVH and Elohim is YHVH, God is ONE.

And on top of all that, lets not forget that some of the prophets such as Enoch have come before the throne of God and seen the likeness of the Ancient of Days. When they saw God a dragon is not what they saw.

I think the true word of God says it best, so I'll leave this last bit to one of his greatest works written down by his Prophet Isaiah:

“But now hear, O Ya’aqob My servant, and Yisra’el

whom I have chosen. Thus said YHVH who made you and formed you from the womb,

who helps you, ‘Do not fear, O Ya’aqob My servant, and Yeshurun, whom I have chosen.

For I pour water on the thirsty, and floods on the dry ground. I pour My Spirit on your

seed, and My blessing on your offspring, and they shall spring up among the grass like

willows by streams of water.’ “One says, ‘I belong to YHVH; another calls himself by the

name of Ya’aqob; another writes with his hand, ‘Unto YHVH,’ and names himself by the

name of Yisra’el. Thus said YHVH, Sovereign of Yisra’el, and his Redeemer, YHVH of

hosts, ‘I am the First and I am the Last, besides Me there is no Elohim. And who is like

Me? Let him call and declare it, and lay it before Me, since I appointed the everlasting

people. And the events that are coming and those that do come, let them declare these to

them. Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not since made you hear, and declared it? You are

My witnesses. Is there an Eloah besides Me? There is no other Rock, I know not one.’ ”

June 13, 2008

TheEssenceofExcellence' date='Jun 13 2008, 02:09 AM' post='2342740']

Get serious, once again you show your lack of knowledge of God's word and use blatant lies and false claims. I would have thought you'd given this stuff up by now draconic chronicler. Here is a point by point answer to all your unfounded points and claims. As I did for you I ask you read the whole post.....

DRAC: Okay, I have read your whole post, and you can refute nothing I said with scripture. Nor have I made any false claims or blatant lies. I have responded to each of your points in red font

1. The fact that the Seraphim angels seems from their names and descriptions to have alot in common with dragons, and the creatures God created in the wilderness that have a similar name called seraph serpents, were indeed as the name says, serpents. Doesn't really have anything to do with whether the One God YHVH Elohim is in fact not one God but two seperate entities, nor does it suggest that just because a type of God's angels is dragonic like, that God, or from your point of view, the one known as YHVH is a seraphim or a dragon in anyway.

The Seraphim dragons are just one more piece of evidence. The main point is that the Mesopotamian gods that do all the things Yahweh does in Genesis (build garden of eden, deprive Adam of eternal life, flood earth, save Noah, etc. ) are ALL attributed to either Enki or Enlil who are both called "Great Serpent Dragons of Heaven". Many scholars trace Yahweh to these gods, and who couldn't with the virtually identical stories. This does not mean Yahweh is fake, it just means He was in Sumeria first and was called Enki there. And Abraham came from a town very close to Enki's city and garden of Eden. Go figure.

2. First off this statement is plain false. King Solomon decorated his Temple with Cherubims all over it. God fortold through his prophet that the third Temple will be decorated with Palm Trees and Cherubim on the walls/doors and such. AND God commanded that Cherubim (statues/images) be made on the cover of the Ark of the Covenant!!! Cherubim not being a dragon or dragon like type of angel, but a four faces four winged variety that God is enthroned upon. If a dragon, a serpent, or even a seraphim angel is the symbol or emblem preffered by God it's not shown to be so in history for history would suggest that he uses Cherubim as emblems on and around his most Holy made places not a dragon or seraphim. Second, the serpent Moses made is in no way suggested to be a physical appearance representation of God, nor did God ever condone his people worshiping the image. Because God allowed such worship of the serpent as well as all false idols they worshiped from time to time doesn't suggest it was what he wanted, on the contrary he frequently punished Israel for worshiping idols (but he gives us free will). When the image of the serpent was destroyed it was recorded as a good thing, King Hezekiah is praised as being a good King right before it's told he destroyed it and right after it's told he has destroyed it: 2 Ki 18:3 And he [King Hezekiah] did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. 2 Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan (just like to note the serpent was named, and it wasn't named YHVH). And right after he destroyed it it's written....: 2 Ki 18:7 And the Lord was always with him; he was successful wherever he turned. He rebelled against the king of Assyria and would not serve him. 8 He overran Philistia as far as Gaza and its border areas, from watch tower to fortified town. Clearly God was pleased with Hezekiah, not angry with him for breaking his image, because the serpent wasn't an image of him. Now, it's true that the serpent made signified Christ, the faith in the statue healing the Israelites symbolizes the faith in Christ that heals and gives life, and the lifting up of the serpent by Moses symbolizes and foretells of Christ's ressurection and rise to his Father in Heaven. But clearly, Jesus was no dragon, but the Son of Man, the Son of the Living God. The sufferings of Israel that would later come to it after the serpent's destruction were due to a confluence of events, mainly the continuance of King after King of both Israel and Judah as well as most of the people continually turning away from God.

Even the famous ancient Jewish Histotrian Josephus, who was a contemporary of the apostles stated that in his time nobody knew what a Cherub looked like......... BUT we know they decorated the temple right? We KNOW exactly how one of the holiest items in the temple was decorated, becasue the Romans depicted it on the Arch of Titus with the loot of conquered Jerusaelm. The HOLY Menorah's base is decorated with DRAGONS . And in the original Sumerian Eden Story, Adam is escorted out of heaven by two DRAGONS, that are called Cherubim in the Hebrew version. Go Figure.

It only your opinion that Yahweh was not angered by the destruction of the idol. But we see terrible things begine to happend shortly after it is broken. HALF the Christian world in Roman times (Gnostics) believed Jesus was the wise serpent/dragon in the Garden of Eden who tried to bring wisdom to mankind. He even implies this, and although I do not have the scripture handy, in the New Testament there is a verse that states Jesus' true form was not 'like a man', though he does compare himself with the serpent idol made by Moses.

3. Biblical knowledge and the truth of God's word can not be found or compared to other works from heathens or any other people. A story that was wrote down first does not make it the actual truth of an event. A story written by man, and in the case of summerians probably transcribed from the mouth of satan or one of his angels, is either a non first hand account being that the man wasn't there or a partial truth littered with lies by a fallen angel. Whereas the Biblical account is the Word of God from the mouth of God, a first hand account since he was there, and the truth since he IS the truth.

Abraham came from Ur, a short distance from Eridu, where Enki built his garden. Of course they knew these stories, but becasue they told them as a oral tradition, they changed slightly. The talking dragon of Eden tricks Adam out of Eternal life, in the original story, and something fairly similar happens in the original. The dragon is not made to look 'good' in the oldest version so it is silly to think Satan created this story.

4. The Cannanites were a cursed people, and once again if it's not biblical word it can't be compared to it since it's bound to be flawed. And regardless, as you know most cultures have revered dragon or serpent like images or animals throughout history, so the cannanites doing so is nothing new, nor does it prove or show anything. Elohim means God. When Moses asked what God's name was, he answered by saying Ehyah-Aher-Ehyeh he continued thus shall you speak to the Israelites, Ehyeh sent me to you. From this God (Elohim) who was speaking to Moses gives him his name which is properlly spelled Yod Heh Vav Heh (YHVH). It's meaning translated as: I Am That I Am; I Am Who I Am; I Will Be What I Will Be. The Name YHVH from it's root HVH meaning To Be. And what is Jesus? I AM. God's name, Elohim's name being YHVH. God being ONE. The Lord Jesus not being a dragon! God not being a dragon, his name meaning I AM. His name meaning my nature will become evident by my actions.

Yaw (Yahweh) had a long feud with Ba'al Hadad of the Cannanites. There was a love triangle between him, Hadad, and the female diety Asheroth, which archaeologists say was worhsipped by the Hebrews along with Yahweh. Yahweh got his revenge by bring the Israelites to Canaan where they killed most of Baal Haddad's worshippers. When Moses introduced himself, some scholars think he said "I am EA", the current Babylonian name of the old dragon Enki of Eden.. NOT the rather ambiguous "I am that I am". In fact, in Hebrew it actually makes more sense.

5. Where are the watchers described as reptilian???? If I recall aren't just about all angels reffered to as watchers?

In Enoch I, they are decribed looking like serpents. Since almost every human culture had dragon gods in their earliests stages (including the Hebrews), it is logical to assume the wattchers were dragons. Deuteronomy states each human tribe was allocated a 'Son of God' , and the Hebrews got Yahweh, the cannanites , Haddad, etc.

6. And Hashem was going before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, to go by day and by night. He did not remove the pillar of cloud by day, or the pillar of fire by night, from before the people. ...... Where did you get all that other stuff you mentioned??? Are you making things up now????

I have made nothing up. As far as the pillars of smoke and fire, in two places, Yahweh breathes fire from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils.

7. Again, complete fabrication!!! You have no source for your information, your just making things up. I thought you were saying YHVH was a dragon not a behemoth mentioned in Job?

I never compared Yahweh with the Behemoth. I believe the Behemoth is merely an elephant.

8. Does God not enjoy all his creations? A female dragon??? "Can you fill HIS skin with darts or HIS head with fish spears? Lay a hand on HIM and you will never think of battle again."

This ballad mocks the idea of mere man hurting the Leviathan, who is the only other creature in the Bible that spews fire from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils.

9. Physically consumed by the Fire of the Lord, as he displayed many times in public. It's never seen or stated that the Lord chewed or swallowed his burnt offerings. Common sensely he BURNT (consumed with Fire) his Burnt offerings. It's also written then they gave up pleasing odor's unto the Lord. He only came down and consumed the offerings in Fire on special occasions, other times just allowing the Priests to burn them unto him, the odor of their sacrafice pleasing the Lord.

Burnt offerings is not a proper translation. The bible states the offerings where carefully roasted and salted and they smelled deligcious to Yahweh. They WERE NOT burnt. Surely you heard the story in the Bible how Yahweh actually consumed the offerings while the priests of Ba'al could only burn theirs up. Yahweh actually calls the offerings his FOOD in the old testament, I will try to find the passage.

10. Again, the sons were killed by Fire, not by being eaten by a dragon. It's written God is a consuming Fire, not God is a consuming dragon. The first born are told to be given over to the service of the Lord, not for food, the Lord loathed the sacrafice of humans that the heathens had done. The practice of redeeming the first born being a prepetual sign of Christ to come and a symbol of passover (which Christ is the Paschal lamb of) done because God had killed the first born of egypt, the blood of the lamb redeeming Israel's first born and therefore the first born of Israelites requireing a small price to pay unto the Lord for their first born.

The Bible says Yahweh spews fire from his mouth, not that he is a literal fire. Half the Christian world and the Persian empire identified him as a dragon. Children were sacrified to Yahweh long before the Exodous, surely you know this, it is in the Bible. The whole point of smearing the blood on the lintels of the houses in Egypt was so the Seraphim dragons would smell the blood in the darkness and "pass over" those houses. It had nothing to do with Jesus. Yahweh says in Exodous that the first male issued from every womb, including human wombs were to be his offerings. LATER, in Deuteronomy, he allows the babies to be ransomed for GOLD. Yes, like every self respecting dragon, Yahweh loved his treasure pile.

11. You refer to Numbers 31:18 not only does in not mention the number 32 in either the King James Version I have or my Jewish Bible. But it never mentions anything along the lines of what you claim. The Medianite women were ordered to be destroyed by the Lord that had known a man because they were the ones that were sleeping with the Israelite males and inducing them to sin and blasphem. But the virgin women, or the women children that had not known a man (being a virgin) that obviously were not the ones who were inducing the Israelites to sin were spared. The Jewish bible translates but spare every woman that has not had carnal relations with a man. The King James translates keep alive for yourselves. CLEARLY, God states and his word indicates the women were SPARED/KEPT ALIVE, not given over to a dragon to be eaten!!!!!

The bible clearly states that Yahweh's 'share' of the virgins were 'given' to him. They were 32 in number. If you really, really cannot find this, I will show you. I suggest you use one of the internets parallel bibles.

12. Again comparing non scripture to scripture to explain what the scriptures say/mean..... It can't be done. The summerians were corrupt, as the book of enki shows from it's begining the writer is influenced and dictated to by a fallen angel whose words he writes down. A bag of lies wrotten down.

You do not know if the older Sumerian scriptures were dictated by a fallen angel. The Hebrews did not even believe Satan was a fallen angel. He is simply an obedient servent to Yahweh, and apparently also a dragon (his offspring perhaps?) These do not seem to be lies. It seems as if the Hebrews merely embellished the original stories a bit.

13. The gnostic scriptures also state women needed to undergo a sex change to be saved don't they???? Sex change, be a man, become a man, something like that.... The gnostics were heretics, not believing in God's true word but changing it, even stating people were saved from the flood by space ships if I recall.

No, it is well known that the gnostics gave women a greater role in the early church, NOTHING about sex changes. In fact, the whle thing about Mary Magdalen e and Jesus comes from gnostic scritures. Nothing about flying saucers either..

14. Jesus said they didn't know his Father for those that knew his Father knew the Son and they didn't know him. Clearly, the Pharisees (alot of them, not all obviously) but the higher ups, were corrupt and didn't worship God properly with their heart or know him. But nothing suggests they worshiped a dragon, nor a dragon by God's name.

That's not what Jesus said. He said the Pharisees were worshipping a 'Murderer from the beginning' (Yahweh), and not his father (Elohim). They were NOT worshipping Satan. Thier prayers were to Yahweh, no one else. Yahweh kills MILLIONS in the Old Testament. Satan kills a handfull, and only with the PERMISSION of Yahweh. El and Yahweh are do different entitites, or rather, El is the creator entity and Yahweh is one of his 'dragon' creations, the one assigned to the Hebrews, just as there were dragons assigned to the Chinese, Maya, Sumerians , etc. Dragons were probably used by the creator because they were the earliest "advanced" animal that would make suitable servants/assistants. This is why there are world wide dragon legends.

15. The fact that God is said to shade people under the shadow of his wings and such does not make him a dragon. All you do is make wild assumptions and claims that have no real basis of fact or reality. God is not a dragon God is YHVH and Elohim is YHVH, God is ONE.

Several Biblical scholars maintain El and Yahweh are two different entities, EXACTLY like El and Yaw are different. And yes, in the Cannanite theology, Yaw is considered a dragon as well, and subservient to the Creator El. The Hebrews and the Canannites had the identical theology, and many cannanite psalms are in the bible. The only differecnce was that the hebrews triabl diety was Yahweh, and the cannanites tribal diety was Haddad. both also worshipped El. Many scholar believe the Hebrews were not monotheistic until AFTER the Babylonian captivity.

And on top of all that, lets not forget that some of the prophets such as Enoch have come before the throne of God and seen the likeness of the Ancient of Days. When they saw God a dragon is not what they saw.

Yahweh warned Moses that no man could look upon him and not die. Yes, Enoch, Baruch, and Isaiah all saw heaven, and ALL recorded seeing the dragons! Okay, they are dragon in Enoch and Baruch, but fiery flying serpents in Isaiah, becasue this was written in Hebrew, not Greek. Isaiah reported that Yahweh was surrounded by these fiery flying serpents, so this may be why he didn't die, Yahweh was obscured by them. Or was the god in heaven actually El and not Yahweh?