The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

[momentarylapseofreason]

No offence to anyone, but i might as well log in with a different name and claim to be another insider and answer questions while im on google...

Maybe you should read upon ancient cultures and you'd find some beliefs that deserve to be acknowledged though it goes against many mainstream religions...

p.s. it was me who first found out who insider was (out of UM forum) and posted it... go back and read... My point? Nothing... just thought i'd let you know...

But it's not Mariano Artigas (RIP) is it ?? I can't find what you mean for us to read

Edited November 12, 2007 by momentarylapseofreason

[TheDreamer]

The Insider, AC - 13 (common names that anyone could understand, having the real name lying beneath them) are too closely related to what he really is.

Abaddon...THAT IS WHAT HE IS.

Other than that, if what I believe is incorrect, according to his beliefs I am wrong. But of course....

HE COULD BE LYING

[Lotus Flower]

The Insider, AC - 13 (common names that anyone could understand, having the real name lying beneath them) are too closely related to what he really is.

Abaddon...THAT IS WHAT HE IS.

Other than that, if what I believe is incorrect, according to his beliefs I am wrong. But of course....

HE COULD BE LYING

Abaddon? Is that a name or "A bad one"?

The messenger is not important, it really is the message itself that deserves the consideration and whether to accept all of it, some of it, pieces of it or none of it.

He could indeed be lying, but he could also be speaking the truth, I guess it all depends how you view the script and if it rings true with you. If it doesn't, then no amount of anyone saying anything to the contrary will change your mind.....

[David67]

According to the Insider's text all those peoples you have mentioned were mere puppets in the game. Pythagoras, he was puppet doing only what he was told to do by the insider's ancestors. I'm I wrong isn't that what he implyed. To beleive what this guy says means you have to degrade all the work of some of the most brillaint and innovative people in history, and do all that because he said so basically, no real evidence.

I showed my ugly face, point being. You critisize people who attack the person and not the argument, but then you go and do the same thing, we all have ugly faces, you are acting holier then thou in this instance aswell.

Aha, but you are wrong there. I only address the fact you attacked the messenger. You are not a messenger but someone who attacked the messenger first, not the issues raised. Me pointing that out is something completely different than what you did, very clear to see.

About the so called brilliant people. How do you know that for sure? Because you were taught at school they were brilliant and all they said was amazing? Who controls school and education in general? Who approves of what info you may consider to be brilliant? The good people? Why don't you attack those messengers like you did the insider? Again a quote by the insider:

"Before accepting a certain knowledge, you have to investigate where it comes from.

Do you know where the "knowledge" that you just typed out comes from, when it was released, how it became and by whose hands?

More importantly, who controlled those hands documenting it?

I am saying this with the best of intentions.

If you knew it, you would not have posted it in that fashion.

Investigate the roots of what you said and see for yourself, it is for your own good.

Knowledge does not just appear out of nothing, it is passed on, always...there are no exceptions. "

So those what you call brilliant people maybe were used as tools to shape the thinking patterns of generations to come and that is the reason they are heavily propagated to this day through 'education', media, and all sorts of other info/dis-info outlets. Ever thought of that? Why do these people who control civilization want you to accept these and heavily reject others? Are they doing it for your own good? You really believe that?

I have studied this text almost a year now. Again I disagree with lots of things concerning my faith in the text, yet the other content is valuable and I respect that. You can't just say, I don't agree with 1 or 2 things so all of it is rubbish and this guy is a fool and a fraud. An intelligible person who is seeking for Truth and higher understanding would NEVER do that, it just is not possible.

Yet still the critics talk about the messenger, not about the topics. That is a sign, like it or not.

[Stixxman]

you need to calm down unicorn. what i meant was Capeo is pretty sharp and doesn't miss much. He said it was a rehash because he probably read some books on the subject that were very old and sounded exactly like what "insider" was saying. If he says its a repeat I'm inclined to believe him.

[The Last Unicorn]

you need to calm down unicorn. what i meant was Capeo is pretty sharp and doesn't miss much. He said it was a rehash because he probably read some books on the subject that were very old and sounded exactly like what "insider" was saying. If he says its a repeat I'm inclined to believe him.

*breathes* and you have the right to

Just as I have the right not to. Excuse me if I came off as flustered but I don't like being judged especially by someone who knows abosuletly nothing about me. But I think you need to calm down a bit too, getting all worked up abotu something you apparently couldn't care less about.

I'm just saying that me taking an ineterest in this post doesn't mean all evidence points to me and others like me having a low IQ, as you said. That's just getting personal and stooping rather low in my opinion.

We know that there are people who don't think it deserves a second look there's no one to convince. Those who were intruiged upon reading it are intruiged. Why does that worry some people so much? Let us have our own thoughts. It's not as if we're about to start a new 'insider' cult we just found it an interesting read.

If anyone wants to discuss the post with me just PM me

Edited November 13, 2007 by The Last Unicorn

[Stixxman]

*breathes* and you have the right to

Just as I have the right not to. Excuse me if I came off as flustered but I don't like being judged especially by someone who knows abosuletly nothing about me. But I think you need to calm down a bit too, getting all worked up abotu something you apparently couldn't care less about.

I'm just saying that me taking an ineterest in this post doesn't mean all evidence points to me and others like me having a low IQ, as you said. That's just getting personal and stooping rather low in my opinion.

We know that there are people who don't think it deserves a second look there's no one to convince. Those who were intruiged upon reading it are intruiged. Why does that worry some people so much? Let us have our own thoughts. It's not as if we're about to start a new 'insider' cult we just found it an interesting read.

If anyone wants to discuss the post with me just PM me

its not my problem if you take offense, remember this is an ANONOMOUS forum, I never specifically said anything to you so get a grip. If you took something I said personal thats you deal not mine. Learn to read and comprehend when you are actually being insulted.

[truthist]

"Before accepting a certain knowledge, you have to investigate where it comes from.

Do you know where the "knowledge" that you just typed out comes from, when it was released, how it became and by whose hands?

More importantly, who controlled those hands documenting it?

I am saying this with the best of intentions.

If you knew it, you would not have posted it in that fashion.

Investigate the roots of what you said and see for yourself, it is for your own good.

Knowledge does not just appear out of nothing, it is passed on, always...there are no exceptions. "

But wait, doesn't that quote basically say that before accepting any information you have to find out its source? How is that compatible with the idea that the messenger is not important?

[Timon]

Aha, but you are wrong there. I only address the fact you attacked the messenger. You are not a messenger but someone who attacked the messenger first, not the issues raised. Me pointing that out is something completely different than what you did, very clear to see.

About the so called brilliant people. How do you know that for sure? Because you were taught at school they were brilliant and all they said was amazing? Who controls school and education in general? Who approves of what info you may consider to be brilliant? The good people? Why don't you attack those messengers like you did the insider? Again a quote by the insider:

"Before accepting a certain knowledge, you have to investigate where it comes from.

Do you know where the "knowledge" that you just typed out comes from, when it was released, how it became and by whose hands?

More importantly, who controlled those hands documenting it?

I am saying this with the best of intentions.

If you knew it, you would not have posted it in that fashion.

Investigate the roots of what you said and see for yourself, it is for your own good.

Knowledge does not just appear out of nothing, it is passed on, always...there are no exceptions. "

So those what you call brilliant people maybe were used as tools to shape the thinking patterns of generations to come and that is the reason they are heavily propagated to this day through 'education', media, and all sorts of other info/dis-info outlets. Ever thought of that? Why do these people who control civilization want you to accept these and heavily reject others? Are they doing it for your own good? You really believe that?

I have studied this text almost a year now. Again I disagree with lots of things concerning my faith in the text, yet the other content is valuable and I respect that. You can't just say, I don't agree with 1 or 2 things so all of it is rubbish and this guy is a fool and a fraud. An intelligible person who is seeking for Truth and higher understanding would NEVER do that, it just is not possible.

Yet still the critics talk about the messenger, not about the topics. That is a sign, like it or not.

The contradictions are just too much to mention here.

In this instance the messenger is the message so he is not protected from debate, his message is in direct conflict with who the messanger is. You yourself stated above that one must fully understand a source of information, and while you so easily apply this to a yet undetermined vast number of historical philosophers, writer and infulatial people yet you won't apply it to the "Insider". Ridiculous.

[David67]

The contradictions are just too much to mention here.

In this instance the messenger is the message so he is not protected from debate, his message is in direct conflict with who the messanger is. You yourself stated above that one must fully understand a source of information, and while you so easily apply this to a yet undetermined vast number of historical philosophers, writer and infulatial people yet you won't apply it to the "Insider". Ridiculous.

Yet again you missed the point, and I actually think you intentionally made it appear like that so you didn't have to discuss your strange conclusions and attacks at the messenger. Your very short answers with no explanation whatsoever also prove that.

Again, YOU attacked the messenger, never the message, then I told you about it, you then accused me of doing something you did. Playing word games won't hide what you did.... 'the messenger is the message', nice word game, you should become a politician or lawyer. I pulled up a mirror, you didn't like what you saw and said that was me, not you.

Second, and this was a test for you in my former post which you failed miserably. You didn't even see it while it was so obvious, the way I set it up. You claim Pythagoras and the rest who are propagated by the system are brilliant, wise etc., and the insider is a fool. The insider says many of the same things as them, just different wording..... so why don't YOU attack Pythagoras, Plato etc for the same things? No, you call them wise and when insider says the same you say he is a fool and try to discredit him by trying to start a mock thread. That was the test, very easy.

Third, I said I don't agree with everything insider said, and I do study the background of it all unlike you. So don't use that lame jab of, 'you support this guy blindly', it is false. I said, there are many things he says which are wise, just like others in the past, yet people like you for some strange reason flip flop and only acknowledge the ones who are being propagated by the ones who control you, and heavily reject others.

By the way, when are you going to start talking about the issues raised in the text, instead of the same old messenger bashing? It's been how long now since this thread was started? The critics should have enough ammo to totally debunk this entire text by using rational, intellectual arguments based on the content of the text, right? On all the forums this has been posted over the last 2 years, and I read many of them, not 1 time it has been done. It was always the same old thing you and others did, baseless character assassination.

Any way, this will be my last post because I am repeating myself after others repeat themselves, we are boring each other here

[capeo]

Aha, but you are wrong there. I only address the fact you attacked the messenger. You are not a messenger but someone who attacked the messenger first, not the issues raised. Me pointing that out is something completely different than what you did, very clear to see.

About the so called brilliant people. How do you know that for sure? Because you were taught at school they were brilliant and all they said was amazing? Who controls school and education in general? Who approves of what info you may consider to be brilliant? The good people? Why don't you attack those messengers like you did the insider? Again a quote by the insider:

"Before accepting a certain knowledge, you have to investigate where it comes from.

Do you know where the "knowledge" that you just typed out comes from, when it was released, how it became and by whose hands?

More importantly, who controlled those hands documenting it?

I am saying this with the best of intentions.

If you knew it, you would not have posted it in that fashion.

Investigate the roots of what you said and see for yourself, it is for your own good.

Knowledge does not just appear out of nothing, it is passed on, always...there are no exceptions. "

So those what you call brilliant people maybe were used as tools to shape the thinking patterns of generations to come and that is the reason they are heavily propagated to this day through 'education', media, and all sorts of other info/dis-info outlets. Ever thought of that? Why do these people who control civilization want you to accept these and heavily reject others? Are they doing it for your own good? You really believe that?

I have studied this text almost a year now. Again I disagree with lots of things concerning my faith in the text, yet the other content is valuable and I respect that. You can't just say, I don't agree with 1 or 2 things so all of it is rubbish and this guy is a fool and a fraud. An intelligible person who is seeking for Truth and higher understanding would NEVER do that, it just is not possible.

Yet still the critics talk about the messenger, not about the topics. That is a sign, like it or not.

Yeah, you can. It's a bunch of pseudo-philosophical and impossibly far reaching conspiracy rehash from a thousand junk publications from the 60's on and it's badly thought out pseudo-junk at that. The guy is a fraud because it's a bunch of outright untruths. No person, group or organization can control the dissemination of anything for very long and humans don't look far enough into the future to even craft such a ridiculously far reaching "world order". Anyone seeking capital T "Truth" need only to have the sense to put the information they are recieving into the context from whom they are recieving it and things become quite transparent; motivations quickly deduced. It shouldn't take a lying "Insider" to deduce that Truth.

[Lotus Flower]

But wait, doesn't that quote basically say that before accepting any information you have to find out its source? How is that compatible with the idea that the messenger is not important?

Out of interest where does it state that you need to find out its source?

It is the message that is important, the Messenger himself would not dispute that I am sure.

Yeah, you can. It's a bunch of pseudo-philosophical and impossibly far reaching conspiracy rehash from a thousand junk publications from the 60's on and it's badly thought out pseudo-junk at that. The guy is a fraud because it's a bunch of outright untruths. No person, group or organization can control the dissemination of anything for very long and humans don't look far enough into the future to even craft such a ridiculously far reaching "world order". Anyone seeking capital T "Truth" need only to have the sense to put the information they are recieving into the context from whom they are recieving it and things become quite transparent; motivations quickly deduced. It shouldn't take a lying "Insider" to deduce that Truth.

It may not equate to your truth Capeo, that is not a crime, but telling everyone that does seem to think there is something within that script that they are wrong and basically stupid for believing anything The Insider wrote is not the way to go.

The basic facts are that if you disbelieve everything written, no problem. If you consider the whole script a total lie, again, no problem and indeed, if this is the case, why do you continually argue with those who wish to discuss it? If, for you, it means nothing, then just accept that you have had your say and move on and leave the rest of us to talk about, what we consider an interesting piece of work. You will have lost nothing, after all, you do not believe in any of it.......

Edited November 14, 2007 by Lotus Flower

[MUM24/7]

My question for the Insider is, "Does your elite family eat, sleep and **** like my family ??"

[capeo]

Out of interest where does it state that you need to find out its source?

It is the message that is important, the Messenger himself would not dispute that I am sure.

It may not equate to your truth Capeo, that is not a crime, but telling everyone that does seem to think there is something within that script that they are wrong and basically stupid for believing anything The Insider wrote is not the way to go.

The basic facts are that if you disbelieve everything written, no problem. If you consider the whole script a total lie, again, no problem and indeed, if this is the case, why do you continually argue with those who wish to discuss it? If, for you, it means nothing, then just accept that you have had your say and move on and leave the rest of us to talk about, what we consider an interesting piece of work. You will have lost nothing, after all, you do not believe in any of it.......

I am discussing it. A discussion is not always favorable towards it's topic. I found David67's grasp of what he's arguing completely off-base and he is arguing no less than I and yet you're not badgering him. Is it because you agree with his point but not mine? Sorry, it's a forum, and when I stumble onto somebody pushing BS I'm going to call them on it.

[Stixxman]

as would anyone born pre 1980 would. Thats a real problem these days.

[The Last Unicorn]

its not my problem if you take offense, remember this is an ANONOMOUS forum, I never specifically said anything to you so get a grip. If you took something I said personal thats you deal not mine. Learn to read and comprehend when you are actually being insulted.

I think you are actually being quite unreasonable now.

If you don't remember what was said here it is:

me:

I would just like to mention, who's to say that no one else participating in this thread has a high IQ?

you:

well so far the evidence speaks against that particular theory.

you were replying specifically to me.

I have a very strong grip thank you That's one sad thing about the internet, the anonymity of it seems to make people think they can treat people how they like. Similar story with cars and road rage, the anonymity of being in a metal bubble.

Anyway, you can think what you like about our IQ, it's your prerogative. I just don't see the 'opposing' side resorting to such desperate tactics.

As for the pre 1980 thing, thank goodness for us, I'm hoping these generations will change the world for the better, it's been going round in circles for millenia.

Edited November 14, 2007 by The Last Unicorn

[Stixxman]

whats so desperate about common sense? No the opposing side simply resorts to inane chatter and rehashed ideas that didn't fly the first time.

[The Last Unicorn]

whats so desperate about common sense? No the opposing side simply resorts to inane chatter and rehashed ideas that didn't fly the first time.

The whole world is based on rehashed ideas.

If that's what you call common sense these days I don't know why I'm bothering.

[Stixxman]

Yes why bother with some one who knows the difference between something that has already been done and didn't make sense the first time. The insider is a joke and a scam that fools no one with an ounce of life experience.

[Timon]

Q:

what´s your thoughts on "peak oil"

A:

It is known within certain circles that it is manufactured.

The Earth is producing more oil/gas than is being used now even believe it or not, it is a natural process "the more you take, the more it produces to balance itself".

Study the bees and the way they produce honey and you will understand.

On top of that there are many places with large amounts of natural resources which never have been touched.

The agenda?

I think you know.

This is completely wrong, "oil is manufactured", wrong. Not even worthy of calling it a myth.

"The more you take, the more it produces to balance itself" This is so far from the actual truth about how oil works it is ridiculous. Even if this was true, why then would they manufacture oil then anyways, he is contradicting himself in the same answer.

I love how he eludes to studying bees to prove how the world's oil supply works, Bees don't make honey from bio-material trapped in sediment for thousands of years how he can make this connection and people still listen to him as if he knows what he is talking about it is beyond my understanding. What does he know something about bees that is a big secret as well? OK.

I not going to walk anyone through why the fundamentals of what he is saying about oil here is false. Scratch the surface on oil production and you will get all the answers you need. And please nobody retort with "we may be being lied too about oil, how can we know they are not lying to us." If you want to believe that the vast number of people in the oil industry including, scientists, engineers, accountants and the countless other professionals in the field are ALL completely; immoral, unpatriotic, evil or just down right stupid then you may be believing in one of the dumbest lies of all time IMO.

[The Last Unicorn]

This is completely wrong, "oil is manufactured", wrong. Not even worthy of calling it a myth.

"The more you take, the more it produces to balance itself" This is so far from the actual truth about how oil works it is ridiculous. Even if this was true, why then would they manufacture oil then anyways, he is contradicting himself in the same answer.

I love how he eludes to studying bees to prove how the world's oil supply works, Bees don't make honey from bio-material trapped in sediment for thousands of years how he can make this connection and people still listen to him as if he knows what he is talking about it is beyond my understanding. What does he know something about bees that is a big secret as well? OK.

I not going to walk anyone through why the fundamentals of what he is saying about oil here is false. Scratch the surface on oil production and you will get all the answers you need. And please nobody retort with "we may be being lied too about oil, how can we know they are not lying to us." If you want to believe that the vast number of people in the oil industry including, scientists, engineers, accountants and the countless other professionals in the field are ALL completely; immoral, unpatriotic, evil or just down right stupid then you may be believing in one of the dumbest lies of all time IMO.

For some people certain parts of Insiders writing touched them or made them think, and that is all the credability they need to begin a serious discussion. I welcome your opinions and your reasonings, thank you for taking the time to do that You're right, I too don't understand what oil has to do with bees!

Sometimes I think that if the ultimate truth was ever really disclosed or sent down to us on the back of a flying horse people would still try to debunk it.

[Timon]

The insider says that "Fear is based on physical impulses, the physical is not important."

Look at sentence with a critical mind for a second.

Fear is not based on physical impulses, he has no clue what he is talking about, why would he write something so wrong if he is who he says he is.

Edited November 14, 2007 by Timon

[Blue Water]

Here is an important conversation on this subject. Alex Jones interviews Hollywood director Aaron Russo on the admissions of Nick Rockefeller, including his prediction of 9/11 ... all » and the war on terror hoax, the Rockefeller's creation of women's lib, and the elite's ultimate plan for world population reduction and a microchipped society.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=542...h&plindex=3

[Lotus Flower]

Regarding the oil, isn't it, in its natural form, crude and to be usable it needs to be refined? Therefore, although oil is natural it needs to go through a manufacturing process in order to refine it to be used. This could be what was meant......

The agenda bit, I presume was money.......

I am discussing it. A discussion is not always favorable towards it's topic. I found David67's grasp of what he's arguing completely off-base and he is arguing no less than I and yet you're not badgering him. Is it because you agree with his point but not mine? Sorry, it's a forum, and when I stumble onto somebody pushing BS I'm going to call them on it.

What do you mean "badgering him", why would I badger David67 when I do not find his argument completely off-base? I am not badgering you either, I am simply asking that you quit with the same old, same old of "it's all BS etc etc", yes we get that you hate all of it, any chance we could move on?

[The Last Unicorn]

Yes why bother with some one who knows the difference between something that has already been done and didn't make sense the first time. The insider is a joke and a scam that fools no one with an ounce of life experience.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I have no problem, and neither does anyone else who's been intruiged by the OP, with you thinking it's a joke/fraud/works of a 'fool' etc

The problems we had on a technical level were the lack of specific reasoning and refusal to even understand where we might be coming from. Whilst the problem we/I (I don't want to speak for anyone else on this) had on a personal level was you resorting, after belittling the subject of the post and the OP, to belittling those discussing it. (Note IQ remarks)

I think we'd do well in this post and others to read and reread the words above every single post... (I highlighted what I think applies especially in this case.)

Please respect the opinions of others. The conspiracy forum covers some sensitive and controversial areas and it is important that participants avoid uncivil behaviour. This means no flaming, no trolling, no flamebaiting and no personal attacks against other members.

Please try to keep an open mind, there is little point in posting in this section if you are unwilling to consider any opposing viewpoints. If you are unable to discuss issues without becoming rude and offensive towards anyone who does not share your opinions or beliefs then the conspiracy forum is not for you.

Now of course we are all guilty of these things now and then, but the difference is some try actively not to be, in order to make this place more pleasent. Lord knows we've got enough to deal with, without fighting each other. *hugs everyone*

Stixxman, capeo etc I accept that you and many other people in my life will have a differing point of view to mine, I respect that, I even like it. It constantly causes me to question my beliefs, but only when arguements are placed coherently instead of knee-jerk reactions and one-liners. Do you not see, by using these tactics you're achieving the exact opposite of what you desire (if what you desire is others to hear your point of view.) Despite this, I even see where you are coming from on the few arguements that have been formed coherently.

The funniest thing is that I nowhere near believe everything in the OP had merit, especially now I've pondered on it for days. It just caused me to think about things and my beliefs for a while. To question them. It's refreshed them and given me a new viewpoint.

Truths can be found in many writings of 'fiction,' inspiration can come from many sources. All I (and I think I speak for some others) ask is that we're allowed to experience that inspiration, and discuss it. Those who are not inspired need not continue reading, why don't you go and read something that inspires you? Perhaps you are scared some of us are taking it 100% seriously and will waste our lifes believing everything it says and living by it. As far as I've seen this has not happened. So don't worry yourselfs and waste your time! But thank you for caring anyway

Edited November 15, 2007 by The Last Unicorn