questionmark Posted October 23, 2007 #1 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Kucinich pushes Bush impeachment By JULIA REYNOLDS Herald Staff Writer Article Last Updated: 10/22/2007 01:38:44 AM PDT Congressman Dennis Kucinich, weary from a dozen campaign stops in a week, sat in a small room at the Monterey fairgrounds on Sunday, but he had a look in his eyes that said he knew he wouldn't sit for long. Still, his expression seemed to lighten as he recalled his comedic success last week as a guest on The Colbert Report, the farcical news show on "Comedy Central." "The secret of it," he said, pausing for effect, "Don't try to be funny." Only then did he let out a laugh. The presidential hopeful was energized by a straw poll taken Sunday in San Mateo County, where he came in second after John Edwards as the favored Democratic candidate. "That shows that I am electable," he said. "That was very powerful, a sign of rising support because of the stand I take for peace — including standing up against war with Iran." He seized the moment to come out with perhaps his strongest stance to date toward impeaching President George W. Bush. "I'm going to talk to members of Congress this week and tell them taking impeachment off the table is a big mistake," he said. Kucinich was moved to take action, he said, in part because of Bush's recent suggestion to reporters that a world war with Iran might be imminent, leading Kucinich to wonder "whether he's playing with Armageddon or he's not well." The world can't countenance the president of the United States raising the specter of World War III," he said. "A president must be temperate with his words." Kucinich was in town to introduce the political rock-reggae-hip hop of Michael Franti and Spearhead on Sunday night at the Monterey Music Summit. "I'm here to be with my friend Michael Franti. He's one of the most exciting performers," he said. "He's thoughtful, he's deep and he's a humanitarian." Kucinich, who announced his plans to run once more for president last December, has said he favors immediate U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, opting for a multi-national stabilization force to maintain order. He was also in California pushing for single-payer health-care coverage. "All other candidates want to keep our for-profit health care system," he said, while he is pushing his congressional bill HR 676, which would expand the Medicare program to cover all virtually Americans. Full story, Source: Monterey Herald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted October 23, 2007 #2 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Go Kucinich!!!!! Get that child hating filthy war criminal scum out of office..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #3 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Go Kucinich!!!!! Get that child hating filthy war criminal scum out of office..... What war crimes, bob? Such vile accusations without substantiation make you seem insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted October 24, 2007 #4 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) What war crimes, what about lying to the world; to justify a war?...for starters...kucinich is just the guy to prosecute bush ..he voted against the illegal war.. Edited October 24, 2007 by Unlimited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #5 Share Posted October 24, 2007 what about lying to the world; to justify a war?...for starters... Since that has been entirely discredited for so long, it simply does not, and never did qualify as substantiation. Now you and bob are both called upon to back it up or look like a couple of complete fools... at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted October 24, 2007 #6 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) what about lying to the world; to justify a war?...for starters...kucinich is just the guy to prosecute bush ..he voted against the illegal war.. What lies? Kucinich then should prosecute everyone who voted for the War. Edited October 24, 2007 by AROCES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted October 24, 2007 #7 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Go Kucinich!!!!! Get that child hating filthy war criminal scum out of office..... Kucinich really is nothing but our local Hugo chavez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted October 24, 2007 #8 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Kucinich really is nothing but our local Hugo chavez. because he believes in peoples rights?..and voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted October 24, 2007 #9 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) Since that has been entirely discredited for so long, it simply does not, and never did qualify as substantiation. Now you and bob are both called upon to back it up or look like a couple of complete fools... at best. Oh please. It is widely known that congress was presented false and skewed information. The majority of Americans believe Bush lied us into War. Where have you been? <a href="http://www.democrats.com/bush-lied-polls" target="_blank">http://www.democrats.com/bush-lied-polls</a> ========================= Now, why do you think Americans don't support attacking Iran? Its not hard to figure out. CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Oct. 12-14, 2007. N=1,212 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. . "If the U.S. government decides to take military action in Iran, would you favor or oppose it?" . Favor Oppose Unsure . % % % . 10/12-14/07 29 68 4 . 5/4-6/07 33 63 4 . 1/19-21/07 26 68 6 . http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm Edited October 24, 2007 by Bob26003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #10 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Oh please. It is widely known that congress was presented false and skewed information. The majority of Americans believe Bush lied us into War. Where have you been? You have not answered the challenge. I've yet to see anyone here do so. Again bob, what war crimes? Such vile accusations without substantiation make you seem insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted October 24, 2007 #11 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) You have not answered the challenge. I've yet to see anyone here do so. Again bob, what war crimes? Such vile accusations without substantiation make you seem insane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression War of aggression Waging a war of aggression is a crime under customary international law and refers to any war not out of self-defense or sanctioned by Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war "essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."[1] The Nuremberg Principles In 1945, the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal defined three categories of crimes, including crimes against peace. This definition was first used by Finnish courts to prosecute the aggressors in the War-responsibility trials in Finland. The principles were later known as the Nuremberg Principles. In 1950, the Nuremberg Tribunal defined Crimes against Peace (in Principle VI.a, submitted to the United Nations General Assembly) as (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; (ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i). ================ And here we go........... Edited October 24, 2007 by Bob26003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted October 24, 2007 #12 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) Wars of Aggression Indictment Count 1: The Bush administration authorized a war of aggression against Iraq. Count 2: The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of “war crimes.” Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of “war crimes”, “crimes against humanity” and other illegal acts. The invasion, occupation and torture of prisoners are clear violations of existing International Law, including the following: 1) Customary international law; 2) United Nations Charter, 59 Stat. 1031, 3 Bevans 1153 (1945); 3) Universal Declaration of Human Rights, G.A. Res. 217A(iii), (U.N. Doc A/810 (1948); 4) The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, G.A. Res. 2220A(xxi) 21 U.N. Doc., GAOR Supp. (No 16) at 52, U.N. Doc A/6316 (1966); 5) Geneva Conventions of 1949, Conventions I-IV, August 12, 1949, Additional Protocols I and II to the Geneva Conventions of 1949, opened for signature, December 12, 1977; 6) Convention Against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment, G.A. Res. 39/46, 39 U.N. Doc, GAOR Supp. (No. 51) at 197, U.N. Doc. A/39/51 (1984); 7) International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights and of the International Covenant on Political and Civil Rights (1966); 8) Declaration on the Protection of All Persons From Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, G.A. Res. 3452, 30 U.N. Doc., GAOR Supp. (No 34) at 91, U.N. Doc. A/10034 (1976); 9) United Nations Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners, U.N. Doc. A/CONF/611, ANNEX I., ESC Res. 663©, 24 U.N. ESCOR Supp. (No 1), at 11, U.N. Doc. E/3048 (1957), amended E.S.C. Res. 2076, 62 U.N. ESCOR Supp. (No. 1), at 35, U.N. Doc. E/5988 (1977); 10) European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, November 4, 1950, 213 UNTS. 221; 11) The Nuremberg Principles [1]; 12) Common Law of the United States of America, and; 13) Statutes and common law of the State of New York, including, but not limited to assault and battery, and the intentional infliction of emotional distress. Count 1 As part of an illegal doctrine of “preemptive war,” based on deliberate and conscious lies, and with no legitimate claim of self defense, the Bush administration planned, prepared and waged the supreme crime of a war of aggression in contravention of the United Nations Charter, the 1949 Geneva Convention [2] and the Nuremberg Principles. Count 2 The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of “war crimes,” including by not limited to: The targeting of Iraqi leaders in “decapitation” strikes, including prior to the official outbreak of the war included the following: Targeting the civilian population of Iraq and civilian infrastructure by intentionally directing attacks upon civilians and hospitals, medical centers, residential neighborhoods, electricity stations, and water purification facilities, as well as intense and indiscriminate military operations against many cities and towns causing massive civilian casualties. Using disproportionate force and weapon systems with indiscriminate effects, such as cluster munitions, incendiary bombs, depleted uranium (DU), and chemical weapons. Using DU munitions with devastating long-term effects on human beings and the environment. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly. (Geneva Convention) Seizure of, destruction of willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion (Mosques), charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic documents and works of art and science. Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health. (Geneva Convention) Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, and buildings. Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, and devastation not justified by military necessity, for example, the wanton destruction of ancient Babylon, where U.S. troops are based with large numbers of troops and material, and the destruction and looting of ancient texts, artifacts, art, and the cultural history of one of the most ancient civilizations in the world. Count 3 The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of “war crimes”, “crimes against humanity” and other illegal acts, including but not limited to: The invasion, occupation and imposition of a U.S.-controlled provisional authority has violated the right of self-determination of the Iraqi people by its decrees, practices, imposition of an interim government, managed elections, and administered constitution-making process, violating Article 1 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights and of the International Covenant on Political and Civil Rights (1966) which states: “(1) All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.” Unlawful attacks, including assassinations, summary executions, murders, disappearances, kidnappings and torture, including using deadly violence against peaceful protestors. Imposing punishments without charge or trial, including collective punishment. Unlawful detention and torture, including by U.S. military personnel and by paramilitary civilian forces operating anonymously, including widespread, repeated and systematic use of torture and degrading treatment of Iraqi civilian and military personnel detained in prison facilities or covertly transferred to foreign countries known for torture and severe prison conditions, practices which are unconditionally prohibited by international law. Failure to provide public order and safety, ensure vital services, or to protect Iraqi health and life, including by authorizing, ordering and condoning the systematic destruction of economic, social, cultural, medical, educational, governmental and diplomatic resources, properties and facilities throughout Iraq. Actively creating conditions under which the status of Iraqi women has seriously been degraded and where many of their civil rights have been lost. Re-writing the laws of a country that has been illegally invaded and occupied, including fundamental changes in Iraq’s economic structure, including the right of private foreign investors to retain 100% of any profits made in Iraq. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly. (Geneva Convention) Attack, or bombardment, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings. Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health. (Geneva Convention) Willfully depriving a prisoner of war or a civilian of the rights of fair and regular trial. (Geneva Convention) Willfully devastating the environment, including through the use of DU munitions. Failing to protect humanity’s rich archaeological and cultural heritage in Iraq Systematically utilizing, controlling, directing, manipulating, misinforming and restricting press and media coverage and deliberately presenting false and misleading reports to obtain support for U.S. military and political and actions; and to deprive the American people of knowledge essential to develop an informed opinion which is essential to democratic processes and elections. Ordering young people, American soldiers in particular, to commit terrible acts that will haunt them, their families and their communities. Their acts of torture of Iraqi detainees, and the killing of women, children, injured people, doctors, nurses, and the bombing of places of worship and hospitals will not only brutalize these soldiers individually, but will further the violence and militarization of American culture. ********************************** Torture, Rendition, Illegal Detention and Murder Indictment Torture: Count 1: The Bush administration authorized the use of torture and abuse in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law and domestic constitutional and statutory law. Rendition: Count 2: The Bush administration authorized the transfer (“rendition”) of persons held in U.S. custody to foreign countries where torture is known to be practiced. Illegal Detention: Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the indefinite detention of persons seized in foreign combat zones and in other countries far from any combat zone and denied them the protections of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war and the protections of the U.S. Constitution. Count 4: The Bush administration authorized the round-up and detention in the United States of tens of thousands of immigrants on pretextual grounds and held them without charge or trial in violation of international human rights law and domestic constitutional and civil rights law. Count 5: The Bush administration used military forces to seize and detain indefinitely without charges U.S. citizens, denying them the right to challenge their detention in U.S. courts. Murder: Count 6: The Bush administration committed murder by authorizing the CIA to kill those that the president designates, either US citizens or non-citizens, anywhere in the world. Count 1 a. The Defendants responsible for the violations delineated in this count include: George W. Bush, President of the United States, Dick Cheney, Vice President, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, former Director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet; Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, V Corps, Commanding General and formerly in charge of Combined Joint Task Force 7, Iraq; Colonel Thomas M. Pappas, Brigade Commander, 205th Military Intelligence Brigade; Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller; Alberto Gonzales, formerly White House Counsel and now Attorney General of the United States; Jay S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, and David Addington, Vice Presidential Counsel. Defendants’ actions under this count constitute egregious violations of international and domestic law, including crimes of war and crimes against humanity. The U.S. laws violated include, but are not limited to: the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution; 18 U.S.C. Section 242 (War Crimes); 18 U.S.C. Section 2340 (Convention Against Torture Statute); the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Army Regulation 190-8, Articles 3 and 5 of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions, and customary international law as reflected, expressed, and defined in multilateral treaties and other international instruments, international and domestic judicial decisions, and other authorities. c. In commission of Count 1, those named above did engage in the following acts: 1) In or about December, 2001, Bush ordered torture by authorizing Tenet to order the Special Access Program that led to the secret detention of Hiwa Abdul Rahman Rushul, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Abu Zabaida and dozens of other detainees without any contact with the outside world in secret prisons around the world and ordering them subjected to tortures including water-boarding, severe beatings, subjection to extreme temperatures, suspension in painful positions, denial of pain-killing medicine after gunshot wounds, severe burning by hot metal, asphyxiation and by threat of death and sexual assault against themselves and members of their families. During such torture an unknown number of detainees died, including Manadel al-Jamadi, Abdul Wali and Abid Hamad Mahalwi. 2) On or about August 1, 2002, upon the initiative of Cheney, Addington and Gonzales drafted a memorandum, “Re: Standards of conduct under USC 2340-2340 A” signed by Bybee, justifying torture and authorizing its use on detainees and detailing possible defenses in the event of prosecution under the Convention Against Torture Act. The memorandum was approved by Bush, Cheney and the National Security Council. 3) In October, 2002, Miller requested authorization of torture techniques for use at Guantanamo. 4) Beginning in November, 2002, Miller, acting with the authorization of the above-cited memorandum, committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions by ordering coerced interrogation of hundreds of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, by subjecting them to humiliating and degrading treatment, including the forced removal of clothing, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, subjection to loud and prolonged noise, by denying them medical care and by submitting them to torture. Miller ordered the torture of at least dozens of detainees at Guantanamo Bay by ordering them subjected to extremes of heat and cold, shackled in painful positions for many hours, subjected to beatings with batons, all of which caused the detainees severe pain and suffering. In addition he ordered them threatened with dogs, subjecting them to threat of severe pain and suffering by dog-bite. In addition he ordered that detainees be threatened with transfer to countries known for extreme methods of torture. 5) In December, 2002, Rumsfeld, acting under the authorization of the August, 2002 memorandum, committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions by ordering the coerced interrogation of detainees at Guantanamo, by subjecting them to humiliating and degrading treatment, including the forced removal of clothing, sensory deprivation, stress positions, and torture ordering that detainees at Guantanamo be threatened with dogs, subjecting them to threat of severe pain and suffering by dog-bite. 6) In August, 2003, Rumsfeld sent Miller to Iraq to institute torture techniques there. 7) In September, 2003, Sanchez committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions by ordering coerced interrogation of hundreds of detainees in Iraq, by subjecting them to humiliating and degrading treatment, including the forced removal of clothing, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, subjection to loud and prolonged noise, by denying them medical care and by submitting them to torture by ordering them subjected to extremes of heat and cold, shackled in painful positions for many hours, all of which caused the detainees severe pain and suffering. In addition he ordered them threatened with dogs, subjecting them to threat of severe pain and suffering by dog-bite. Furthermore when Sanchez was informed by the ICRC of additional torture and degrading treatment occurring in detention centers throughout Iraq, he did nothing to stop these acts. 8) Beginning in September , 2003 many detainees at Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere in Iraq were tortured pursuant to the directives of Rumsfeld, Miller and Sanchez, authorized by the August, 2002 memorandum. During the commission of the acts of torture that the defendants conspired to commit, at least 28 detainees died. Count 2 a. The Defendants responsible for the violations delineated in this count include: George W. Bush, President of the United States, John Ashcroft, formerly Attorney General of the United States; Tom Ridge, formerly Secretary of State for Homeland Security; George Tenet, formerly Director of Central Intelligence. b. Defendants’ actions under this count constitute egregious violations of international and domestic law. The laws violated include, but are not limited to: the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution; 18 U.S.C. Section 242 (War Crimes); 18 U.S.C. Section 2340 (Convention Against Torture Statute), 28 U.S.C. § 1350, note (the Torture Victim Protection Act), 5 U.S.C. § 702 (Administrative Procedure Act); the Convention Against Torture and implementing regulations. c. In commission of Count 2, those named above did engage in the following acts: 1) Since September 11, 2001, the Defendants committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and authorized torture by authorizing covert “extraordinary renditions,” -- the detention and transfer of over 100 detainees including both US citizens, such as Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, and non-citizens, such as Canadian Maher Arar, to countries known for torture, to be tortured at CIA direction. The Defendants who have adopted, ratified, and/or implemented the “extraordinary renditions” policy know that non-U.S. citizens removed under this policy will be interrogated under torture. Count 3 a. The Defendants responsible for the violations delineated in this count include: George W. Bush, President of the United States, Dick Cheney, Vice President, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, Alberto Gonzales, formerly White House Counsel and now Attorney General of the United States; George Tenet, formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Jay S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, and David Addington, Vice Presidential Counsel. b. Defendants’ actions under this count constitute egregious violations of international and domestic law, including crimes of war and crimes against humanity. The U.S. laws violated include, but are not limited to: Article II of the U.S. Constitution; the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution; the due process requirements embodied in the common law; 5 U.S.C. Section 702 (the Administrative Procedure Act); 18 U.S.C. Section 242 (War Crimes); Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law (18 USC 242); Conspiracy Against Rights (18 USC 241); the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Army Regulation 190-8, Articles 3 and 5 of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions, and customary international law as reflected, expressed, and defined in multilateral treaties and other international instruments, international and domestic judicial decisions, and other authorities. c. In commission of Count 3, those named above did engage in the following acts: 1) In October, 2001 Cheney and Addington committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions by directing that a Presidential order be drafted authorizing the indefinite detention without charge of detainees and their subjection to military tribunals. 2) On November 16, 2001, Bush did under color of law willfully subject thousands of detainees outside the United States to the deprivation of their rights to due process under the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution by on Nov. 16, 2001 issuing a Military Order authorizing unconstitutional detention without charge of non-citizens, also thereby committing a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions. 3) In November, 2001, pursuant to the above-cited Military order, thousands of individual were detained in camps in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba without charge or trial. The detainees have been imprisoned at the Guantánamo since January 2002. They have been held incommunicado without access to their families or counsel or to the courts. 4) In or about December, 2001, Bush committed authorized Tenet to order the Special Access Program that led to the secret detention of Hiwa Abdul Rahman Rushul, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Abu Zabaida and dozens of other detainees without any contact with the outside world in secret prisons around the world. 5) In January, 2002, Gonzales committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions by advising Bush in written memos to suspend the application of the Geneva conventions to detainees. 6) On February 7, 2002, Bush committed grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions by issuing in February 7, 2002 a Memorandum stating that Geneva Convention does not apply to detainees, “unlawful combatants”. 7) Beginning in March, 2003, tens of thousands of individuals are detained in Iraq without charge or trial, in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Count 4 a. The Defendants responsible for the violations delineated in this count include: John Ashcroft, formerly Attorney General of the United States; Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General of the United States; Tom Ridge, formerly Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chernoff Secretary of Homeland Security b. Defendants’ actions under this count constitute egregious violations of international and domestic law. The laws violated include, but are not limited to: the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution, Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law (18 USC 242); Conspiracy Against Rights (18 USC 241); the Alien Tort Statute (28 U.S.C. 1350) ,customary international law, and treaty law as incorporated into federal common law and statutory law. c. In commission of Count 4, those named above did engage in the following acts: 1) Thousands of male non-citizens from the Middle East, South Asia, and elsewhere who are Arab or Muslim or have been perceived by Defendants to be Arab or Muslim, were detained on minor immigration violations following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States (“post-9/11 detainees”), and were treated as “of interest” to the government’s terrorism investigation and subjected to a blanket “hold until cleared policy” pursuant to which the Immigration and Naturalization Service (“INS”) denied them bond without regard to evidence of dangerousness or flight risk, and detained them until the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) cleared them of terrorist ties. All were in fact cleared of any connection to terrorism. 2) Subsequently, in the period from January, 2002 to the present, tens of thousands of non-citizens from many countries, primarily from the Caribbean, and Africa but also from the Middle East, South Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe, were detained without criminal charge for months and in some cases years as “administrative detainees”, a practice in violation of the basic provisions of the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments. 3) The victims were subjected to one or more of the following unconstitutional policies and practices: they were held without an indictment by a Grand jury, they were denied the right to counsel, the right to a trial by jury and denied any form of judicial review. They were held without any criminal charge being brought against them. They were denied bond. Some were classified as being “of high interest” to the government’s terrorism investigation, “Witness Security” and/or “Management Interest Group 155” detainees in the absence of adequate standards or procedures for making such a determination or evidence that they were involved in terrorism. They were subjected to a communications blackout and other actions that interfered with their access to counsel and their ability to seek redress in the courts. After receiving final removal orders or grants of voluntary departure, some were held in immigration custody far beyond the period necessary to secure their removal or voluntary departure from the United States, again without regard to whether they posed a danger or flight risk. 4) While in detention, the detainees have been subjected to unreasonable and excessively harsh conditions. Some have been held in overcrowded and unsanitary county jail facilities and housed with potentially dangerous criminal pretrial detainees, even though they themselves have never been charged with a crime. Others have been kept in federal and county facilities where they have been placed in tiny cells for over 23 hours a day and strip-searched, manacled, and shackled when taken out of their cells. Many have suffered physical and verbal abuse by their guards. These abuses include being badly beaten and being attacked by dogs. Many have been denied the ability to practice their faith during their detention. 5) During their confinement, Defendants or their agents subjected some detainees to coercive and involuntary custodial interrogation designed to overcome their will and coerce involuntary and incriminating statements from them. 6) By adopting, promulgating, and implementing these policies and practices, Defendants Ashcroft, Gonzales, Ridge, and Chernoff, and others have intentionally or recklessly violated rights guaranteed to the detainees by the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the United States Constitution, customary international law, and treaty law. In doing so they have also violated the Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law Act (18 USC 242) which prescribes punishment for “Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens”. They have also engaged in a Conspiracy Against Rights (18 USC 241) by conspiring to injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate the detainees in the free exercise or enjoyment of the rights and privileges secured to them by the Constitution of the United States, including the right to personal liberty and to due process. Count 5 a. The Defendants responsible for the violations delineated in this count include: George W. Bush, President of the United States, Dick Cheney, Vice President, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, Alberto Gonzales, formerly White House Counsel and now Attorney General of the United States;. Jay S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, and Dick Addington, Vice Presidential Counsel. b. Defendants’ actions under this count constitute egregious violations of international and domestic law. The laws violated include, but are not limited to: Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution, Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law (18 USC 242); Conspiracy Against Rights (18 USC 241); customary international law, and treaty law as incorporated into federal common law and statutory law. c. In commission of Count 5, those named above did engage in the following acts: 1) On June 9, Bush ordered Rumsfeld to detain Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen as an “enemy combatant”. Rumsfeld ordered that military personnel carry out this Presidential directive, which had no basis in any law. Padilla was not charged with any criminal offense, was not indicted by a grand jury, was not convicted or even tried by a jury, was given no access to counsel and has been imprisoned for over three years. Padilla’s rights under the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution were thereby violated in violation of 18 USC 242 and 18 USC 241. 2) On the initiative of Cheney and Addington, Gonzales inserted into an Aug.1, 2002 memorandum from Bybee wording justifying the President unlimited power to detain as enemy combatants anyone, without any judicial process. This memorandum, approved by Bush and Cheney is part of a conspiracy against the rights of all US citizens and residents. 3) In court papers in the case of Padilla, and in the case of Hamdi as well as elsewhere, Bush and his agents have claimed that the President has the power to designate any one, citizen or immigrant, as a enemy combatant and to jail them indefinitely without charge or trial. Such assertions by those acting under color of law constitute a conspiracy against the rights of all US citizens and residents. Count 6 a. The Defendants responsible for the violations delineated in this count include: George W. Bush, President of the United States, George Tenet, formerly Director of Central Intelligence b. Defendants’ actions under this count constitute egregious violations of international and domestic law. The laws violated include, but are not limited to: the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution, Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law (18 USC 242); and Murder (18 USC 1111) c. In commission of Count 6, those named above did engage in the following acts: 1) In October 2001 Bush issued a secret finding authorizing the CIA to kill those he designated, either US citizens or non-citizens, anywhere in the world. 2) Under the authority of this secret finding, Bush and Tenet ordered the killing by Predator drone of US citizen Kamal Derwish. *************** http://www.bushcommission.org/ Edited October 24, 2007 by Bob26003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted October 24, 2007 #13 Share Posted October 24, 2007 http://www.peoplejudgebush.org/crimes.shtml The People of the World Demand Bush, Blair, and all complicit World Leaders be held accountable for: * Initiating War: the crime against peace * Crimes Against Humanity - targetting civilians; destruction of basic services * War Profiteering and privatizing of national resources * Cultural genocide, systematic looting of art, archives and cultural institutions * Mass detentions, random roundups, & torture * Violating Iraqi sovereignty * Using prohibited weapons including cluster bombs and depleted uranium weapons * Stealing trillions from social services * Policy of Endless War targetting: Haiti, Palestine, Philippines, Korea, Cuba * False testimonies, lies and fabrications to the public, the media, the United Nations and Congress * Inciting bigotry, racism and a climate of fear. his Criminal Indictment Charges George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Colin Powell, Donald H. Rumsfeld, John D. Ashcroft, Tommy Franks, and his successors as Commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq, George J. Tenet, L. Paul Bremer, III, John Negroponte and others to be named with Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity and other criminal acts in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, International Law, the Constitution of the United States and Laws Made in Pursuance Thereof. The Crimes Charged are: 1. Waging a War of Aggression against the sovereignty of Iraq and the rights of its people, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries among the people of Iraq, most civilians, from military violence and thousands of U.S. G.I’s. War of aggression is defined as “the Supreme international crime” in the Nuremberg Judgment. 2. Authorizing, encouraging and condoning the use of excessive force, in terrorem, tactics called “Shock and Awe”, targeting defenseless civilians, civilians facilities and indiscriminate bombing and assaults. 3. Authorizing and ordering the use of illegal weapons including super bombs, cluster bombs, depleted uranium enhanced bombs, missiles, shells and bullets and threatening the use of nuclear weapons. 4. Authorizing, ordering, concealing and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murders, disappearances, kidnappings and torture. 5. Authorizing, financing, utilizing and condoning illegal violence, use of force and torture by highly paid paramilitary civilian forces operating anonymously and not accountable to U.S. supervisors for their acts, who kill, coerce, control and contain the Iraqi population. 6. Authorizing, ordering and condoning the systematic destruction of economic, social, cultural, medical, educational, governmental and diplomatic resources, properties and facilities throughout Iraq. 7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning acts designed to divide the Iraqi population to cause internal conflict and violence among major segments of the society, ethnic, religious, political and economic, in order to weaken and exhaust the population and bring all segments under the control of a new surrogate government submissive to U.S. command. 8. Authorizing, imposing and maintaining a violent, criminal military occupation over Iraq which kills defenseless Iraqi’s daily and fans the flames of anti-U.S. anger worldwide. 9. Defying and incapacitating the peace making capacity and role of the United Nations by unilateral actions to undermine its potential effectiveness while continuing to coerce and use the U.N. to pursue U.S. policies in Iraq and elsewhere, and coercing and enticing other nations to support U.S. policies and actions in violation of international law in the U.N. Security Council and against Iraq and other nations. 10. Engaging in systematic acts to undermine and destroy international laws and treaties designed to prevent and control war, weapons of mass and indiscriminate destruction; limit participants in military service; protect the environment; prevent the economic exploitation of poor nations; and engaging systematic acts to obstruct justice by the evisceration of the International Criminal Court and manipulation or defiance of other international judicial and regulatory bodies that might seek to hold the U.S. accountable to international law and the will of the majority of the people of the international community. 11. Manifesting their continuing commitment to world domination by ordering, directing and condoning violent regime change in Haiti in March 2004 to replace the independent, elected democratic President Jean Bertrand Aristide with a U.S. selected and controlled neo Duvalierist surrogate causing growing violence, hundreds of deaths and further improvishment of the Haitian people. 12. Threatening the sovereignty and independence of nations, and acting to change regimes that refuse to yield to U.S. demands for economic subservience and political control for U.S. corporate and government interests, including most prominently Cuba, Iran, a divided Korea, the Philippines, Syria, Sudan and Venezuela; and supporting Israel’s illegal occupation, brutalization and expanding settlement of Palestine in defiance of the United Nations, international law and world opinion; all of which adds to international anger and violence against the United States and its citizens. 13. Destroying the sovereignty, right to self determination, cultural integrity and control of its own resources of Iraq and its peoples by imposing an interim government headed by a long time C.I.A. asset who directed violence against Iraqi civilians for the U.S. in the 1990's; and manipulating procedures for the imposition of a new Constitution drafted by and installation of a new government chosen through controlled electoral processes and subservient to the will and command of the U.S. government. 14. Usurping the war powers delegated in the constitution to the Congress to pursue wars of aggression and other unlawful military actions; and attempting to pack the federal courts with judges committed to ideologies in conflict with the Constitution of the United States to achieve judicial decisions supporting those ideologies. 15. Systematically weakening fundamental human rights globally and the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution within the U.S. enabling U.S. forces to unlawfully seize individuals in 100 countries, including U.S. citizens and arrest thousands of aliens in the U.S. and hold them, transport them, torture many, deny all access to courts to determine the legality of such seizures, arrest and treatment. 16. Making Guantanamo a symbol of U.S. power to imprison and abuse persons on the soil of a foreign sovereign nation, Cuba, against its will and to publicize U.S. contempt for human rights by displaying its power to arbitrarily seize, confine and abuse persons without revealing who they are, any charges against them, or what their future may be, placing U.S. power above all laws, international and national, and beyond the reach of all courts, including those of the U.S. 17. Giving economic preferences to favored corporations and business interests to extract enormous profits in both war and peace sectors of the economy from impoverished Iraq and U.S. taxpayers. 18. Systematically utilizing, controlling, directing, manipulating, misinforming and restricting press and media coverage and deliberately presenting false and misleading reports to obtain support for U.S. military and political and actions; and to deprive the American people of knowledge essential to develop an informed opinion which is essential to democratic processes and elections. 19. All for the purpose of dominating, controlling, and exploiting Iraq and other non compliant nations by military force and economic coercion. In addition to full accountability for the foregoing crimes and full reparation to victims, the offenses constitute “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States requiring the removal from office of all the participating civil Officers of the United States upon impeachment for and conviction for their acts. Dated: August 5, 2004 Ramsey Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted October 24, 2007 #14 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) Since that has been entirely discredited for so long, it simply does not, and never did qualify as substantiation. Now you and bob are both called upon to back it up or look like a couple of complete fools... at best. Libertyworld, man I still can't get over the name you gave yourself. Your posts and your extremism that you show are less than intelligent, notice I didn't use the word " fool or idiot" and the such. The only argument you have is that congress voted for the war and thats it !!!!!!! It has been shown time and time again congress did not know the whole truth. Or can you prove to me that congress new everything that Bush and his administration new, try proving that LOL good luck. Edited October 24, 2007 by The Silver Thong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted October 24, 2007 #15 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Kucinich has been decscribed as the "Ron Paul" of the Democrats party. But I really don't see him every standing a chance against the Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton alliance. May be Kucinich can be Ron Paul's vice president if he wins, but theres no chance of Dennis becoming president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #16 Share Posted October 24, 2007 http://www.peoplejudgebush.org/crimes.shtml The People of the World Demand... Thought so. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted October 24, 2007 #17 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Libertyworld, man I still can't get over the name you gave yourself. Your posts and your extremism that you show are less than intelligent, notice I didn't use the word " fool or idiot" and the such. The only argument you have is that congress voted for the war and thats it !!!!!!! It has been shown time and time again congress did not know the whole truth. Or can you prove to me that congress new everything that Bush and his administration new, try proving that LOL good luck. Oh so when Clinton was president those air attacks he ordered along with other liberals claiming wmd wre fine? the facts are, no one knew the truth, untill we invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted October 24, 2007 #18 Share Posted October 24, 2007 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression</a> War of aggression Waging a war of aggression is a crime under customary international law and refers to any war not out of self-defense or sanctioned by Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war "essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."[1] The Nuremberg Principles In 1945, the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal defined three categories of crimes, including crimes against peace. This definition was first used by Finnish courts to prosecute the aggressors in the War-responsibility trials in Finland. The principles were later known as the Nuremberg Principles. In 1950, the Nuremberg Tribunal defined Crimes against Peace (in Principle VI.a, submitted to the United Nations General Assembly) as (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; (ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i). ================ And here we go........... This is so BS I don't know where to start. Saddam supported terrorists, in violation of U.N. Resolution 1373 and other resolutions. Saddam continued his repression and mistreatment of the Iraqi people, in violation of U.N. Resolution 688. Saddam failed to return 600 Kuwaiti prisoners of war and one American, Navy pilot Michael Scott Speicher. This was a violation of U.N. Resolution 686. Saddam failed to comply with U.N. trade sanctions, and when the Oil-for-Food program was established to direct money for food and medicine to the Iraqi people, he siphoned billions of dollars from that program, too. This was in violation of U.N. Resolution 986. Not to mention the 30 plus warnings the U.N. gave Saddam. There was a connection with terrorists and Iraq, the U.N. did nothing. he was helping terrorists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Abdul Yasin (1993 World Trade Center bomb chemical mixer), along with warnings from the Russia about how Iraq was planning attacks against the U.S. and other nations. don't you think that falls under article 51? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #19 Share Posted October 24, 2007 This is so BS I don't know where to start. Thanks for trying Caesar but when you see the words "The people of the world demand..." you need go no further as that is a sure sign you have entered the realm of the truly delusional. Nothing you can say can reach those who line up behind such insanity. The distance between that realm and reason is just too great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted October 24, 2007 #20 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Thanks for trying Caesar but when you see the words "The people of the world demand..." you need go no further as that is a sure sign you have entered the realm of the truly delusional. Nothing you can say can reach those who line up behind such insanity. The distance between that realm and reason is just too great. Yeah but they just make themselve look so foolish, like Bob mad at the neo cons for strarting the Vietnam war or the phony solder story with El Rush Limbaugh. c'mon it must put a smile on your face too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #21 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yeah but they just make themselve look so foolish, like Bob mad at the neo cons for strarting the Vietnam war or the phony solder story with El Rush Limbaugh. c'mon it must put a smile on your face too? Yes. Very entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted October 24, 2007 #22 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Look. Bush attacked Iraq...... Without security council authorization and it was not for self defense. That is the War Crime of Aggression. It's not hard to understand........... Waging a war of aggression is a crime under customary international law and refers to any war not out of self-defense or sanctioned by Article 51 of the UN Charter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted October 24, 2007 #23 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yeah but they just make themselve look so foolish, like Bob mad at the neo cons for strarting the Vietnam war or the phony solder story with El Rush Limbaugh. c'mon it must put a smile on your face too? Actually it's these type of posts that keep "them" going. You prove little except your stance and back it up with name calling. There are those that like to attack Bob here over and over and it consists of nothing but opinions. When Bob posts something why not counter instead of these lame ass attacks. Do you guys call each other in the morning to see what each others wearing so you can dress the same look the same and attack the same. Go wrap the blue sweater around pink shirt today. Ceasar all you are is gas, you never back anything up, never contribute with a link ok I will spell it slow for you L...I...N...K your opinion is nothing. The people you attack on a daily basis actually look sh1t up and post it as you don't seem to have ever heard of google. You and a few others are the ones being laughed at because you post the same crap over and over and over again. It's nothing, you add nothing get with the game and quit thinking you are on the winning side and start countering with links, not your backwater opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted October 24, 2007 #24 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yes. Very entertaining. and again another riveting post, It show's you arn't paid by the word but by your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyworld Posted October 24, 2007 #25 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Look. Bush attacked Iraq...... Without security council authorization and it was not for self defense. That is the War Crime of Aggression. It's not hard to understand........... Waging a war of aggression is a crime under customary international law and refers to any war not out of self-defense or sanctioned by Article 51 of the UN Charter. No. Bush liberated Iraq, and the UN does not govern the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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