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This is happening since the dawn of civilization. The romans were some of the most sucefull implementing this system. They get some free frsh troops from their new territories, and this territories were absorved and pacified more quickly into the empire.

I also see no problem in this. If you want to be part of a country, and you are capcitated to defend it, soo welcome to the military!

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The point that nobody is getting with this is that it is normal practice of the US Army since immemorial times. Ever since I can remember people enlisted because it was the only possibility or the fastest possibility to become a US citizen.

If you look a any barracks you will find that WASP are an absolute minority among the enlisted.

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I physically can't serve ( and nor would I if I could for a lie of a war) but have 2 family members that do. One is done with his service and one is still in Iraq as a driver. ( to be fair he's my sisters cousin and I was even surprised to find out he's serving as a driver).

If you refuse to serve (or would refuse, in a hypothetical), then you cannot bash others for not serving.

You support the war ? think it was right ? than why aren't you serving ? how about your kids ? wife ? other family ? I'm sick of Bush supporters who support the war with big fat mouths but are too chicken to serve . You want the war ? go fight it.

As for my kid, he's a bit young...and I'm not married (though I would not be adverse to my ex-wife being 10,000 miles away from me, or actually managing to hold down a job).

I am anti war which is why I think they should be brought home.

I've said they should be brought home too...in these very forums.

Yes those who support the war should have to pay for it. It's your mess you support you clean it up. but of course it will be dems that do . cons would rather get tax breaks and be irresponsible and hand the bill over to our kids.

Unfortunately, federal law prohibits citizens from giving money to the government and asking it be directed to certain areas.

Tax revenues are the highest in history.

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Wow, the three exclaimation points are really convincing.

I'm sorry, I don't post smears, I do not perpetuate lies, nor do I bash others for doing things I do. You attack others for not serving when you have not served a day in your life. You whine and moan that people are not sacrificing enough, then turn around and want others to pay more taxes or die. You claim to be anti-war, but are gung-ho for others to die in a war you don't believe in.

Four exclamation marks!

Why do you hate women, Explorer? Why are you such a misogynist?

From here. That's quite a smear, apparently because I called Coulter a journalistic psychopath. Boo hoo.

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So wait.

You have people fighting for America, who have never even been in America.?

They don't even know anything about America. They know nothing of what we stand for, our laws etc etc.?

:blink:

Im not sure thats safe.

So you would have a bunch of say Mexicans putting a uniform, not because they believe in the cause, but just to gain citizenship?

How can that safe? How can that be good for the military?

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Four exclamation marks!

From here. That's quite a smear, apparently because I called Coulter a journalistic psychopath. Boo hoo.

Wow...someone doesn't understand jokes.

Why do you hate jokes so much, Explorer? Are you a coulrophobe?

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So wait.

You have people fighting for America, who have never even been in America.?

They don't even know anything about America. They know nothing of what we stand for, our laws etc etc.?

:blink:

Im not sure thats safe.

So you would have a bunch of say Mexicans putting a uniform, not because they believe in the cause, but just to gain citizenship?

How can that safe? How can that be good for the military?

In fact, if you want to be part of a country, and enter its army to get that is because (generally, not always):

a) Do you know of the country and want to help in the army. Wanting to be part of a country is generally equal to belive in their cause. An example is the German women in the article.

B) You do it because you want the citizenship to get more money in the country in mention. Not soo good has a) but good enough to serve in non-combat positions to free more willing men to combat position. An example was in an article i readed some months ago about mexicans joining to get quick citizenship.

Also, you have to understand that the army tend to be a highly idologized enviorement. You will end sucking some patriotism for the country, like it or not, in bigger or smaller quantity.

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Its a Man Baby!@!!!

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Its a Man Baby!@!!!

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You're just jealous women won't touch you with a 20 foot pole.

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You're just jealous women won't touch you with a 20 foot pole.

Actually Bruce, I wouldn't want coulter to touch me with her 20 ft pole. :lol:

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Its a Man Baby!@!!!

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Full quote:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Also notice the date it was quoted, Bob. Many Americans were pretty cheesed off just a day after 9/11.

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Oh so she advocated killing civilians too eh?

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Oh so she advocated killing civilians too eh?

The point was to hold who was responsible on what we knew at the time to the crimes of 9/11. :rolleyes:

I don't think I know anybody who wasn't cursing out revenge in the weeks after 9/11.

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The point was to hold who was responsible on what we knew at the time to the crimes of 9/11. :rolleyes:

I don't think I know anybody who wasn't cursing out revenge in the weeks after 9/11.

The point is that everybody knew that it was NOT Saddam.

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So wait.

You have people fighting for America, who have never even been in America.?

They don't even know anything about America. They know nothing of what we stand for, our laws etc etc.?

:blink:

Im not sure thats safe.

So you would have a bunch of say Mexicans putting a uniform, not because they believe in the cause, but just to gain citizenship?

How can that safe? How can that be good for the military?

What you would have, are immigrents in the military fighting to become what you already are and learning to become oh lets say American for example. I think that would be far better then immigrents comming to America just to pick fruit for example and not learning a thing about the country they are picking fruit for. Just me, but the Military is a great teacher, far better then learning about a country from the streets.

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The point is that everybody knew that it was NOT Saddam.

like dick perl said we have to make iraq pay for what they did on 9/11..... :wacko: how did we get from an attack by saudi rich kids to iraq?...

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Didn't Rome do that? Have foreigners and mercenaries fight for them?

Isn't that one of the things that led to Rome's downfall.

yes and no. It became a problem for Rome when too much of it's legions were from "foreign" lands. It excaberated problems such as: a deterioration of the Roman identity, too much welfare/grain dole, intense corruption, economic collapse, etc.

A problem with foreign legions in Rome was also that roman soldiers were loyal to their general, and not to the senate or the people. We have gone out of our way to make sure this does not happen in the US.

As for that Coulter quote, the problem is the "convert them to christianity" part. Not only does this show an ignorance, but it feeds the fear our enemy has that this is, indeed, our real agenda.

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like dick perl said we have to make iraq pay for what they did on 9/11..... :wacko: how did we get from an attack by saudi rich kids to iraq?...

Also, notice how the media never mentions that the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are from Saudia Arabia.

But they will mention it everytime they find an Iranian around the border................

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Also, notice how the media never mentions that the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are from Saudia Arabia.

But they will mention it everytime they find an Iranian around the border................

How? How can they determine that, do the foreign figthers carry passports???

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How? How can they determine that, do the foreign figthers carry passports???

most of the foreign fighters are wahabists coming from saudi arabia...no they dont carry passports but they are aligned with the sunnis and alqaeda...

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Mercenaries fight for money, not a cause.

Mercenaries are motivated by money, not a cause.

95% of soldiers within the army are, in that case, mercinaries.

As for this policy... I can see the racism flag being played sometime in the future. I could see a situation where a bunch of middle-easterners decide to take this option, the military becomes hesitant, and they cry racism.

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Oh so she advocated killing civilians too eh?

No, she's turning the attitude and philosophy of groups like al'Qaeda back around. Your outrage over that quote says more about you than it does her. First, it illustrates the absolute stupidity of the Left to recognize that it is the same attitude of al'Qaeda. Second, it demonstrates how the left refuses to become outraged by the actions of al'Qaeda (or in Bob's case, welcomes and applauds their actions, advocating the murder of civilians, cheering on 9/11) but flies into the rage at the mere words of an individual woman. Right Bob? It's okay for al'Qaeda to crash planes into buildings, demand we convert to Islam, because it's blow back. But it's a crime against humanity if a lone woman uses words, echoing the same sentiments, in response to an attack, which you welcomed and applauded.

The Left's outrage over that Coulter quote demonstrates not only their utter stupidity (and really, how in the world did you all make it to the collective ages you are without your stupidity killing you?) but the fact they are, en masse, cultural-traitors.

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95% of soldiers within the army are, in that case, mercinaries.

As for this policy... I can see the racism flag being played sometime in the future. I could see a situation where a bunch of middle-easterners decide to take this option, the military becomes hesitant, and they cry racism.

I have an idea.

What if we get all the Iraqi refugees that they wont allow in the country to enlist.

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most of the foreign fighters are wahabists coming from saudi arabia...no they dont carry passports but they are aligned with the sunnis and alqaeda...

And how can the media determine that, unless it comes from the CIA or Military intelligence, right?

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I would rather someone EARN their citizenship by joining our military than by sneaking into our borders.

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