Christmas cancelled in the UK

[Tiggs]

]Well. If they do that, we'll have to add ALL religious holidays.

Anyone for Chokmah-week? All hot women must pole dance AND you get free beer and shiny presents.

Please, Chokmah. This is a serious subject.

As Jedi are the fourth largest and quickest growing religion within the UK (with 390,000 followers), I don't see that the government will soon have any choice but to take us seriously on matters such as religious holidays, etc.

By the time of the 2011 census, it's quite possible that Jedi's will be the second largest religion in the UK.

May the Force be with you.

[IronGhost]

I think everyone knew what meant, they celebrated a holiday on that day that was assimilated when Christianity came along. You're argueing over Termonology.

I am not arguing ove terminology and to suggest so is ridiculous.

I also think all these absurd attacks on the "big bad liberals" picking on the "poor little Christians" and their ridiculously materialistic "Christmas Holiday" is crazy beyond belief.

Many historians believe that the Christians killed as many as 60 Million Native Americans at the behest of the Spanish Inquisition. The exact figure are disputed, but nobody denies that literally millions and milions of "Pagans" were killed for the express purpose of not being Christian.

And this quote from Wiki:

For example, the Inquisition burned 59 women in Spain, 36 in Italy and 4 in Portugal, while in Europe civil justice put to trial close to 100,000 women; 50,000 of them were burned, 25,000 in Germany, during the XVI century by the followers of Martin Luther.

So, once again, before we have to have any more ludicrous liberal bashing on this thread -- take a good hard look at the long bloody history of murderous Christian suppression of other belief systems they found abhorant to their own need for dominance.

These folks in the U.K. are merely gently suggesting that X-mas not be so dominant as a way to reflect changes in society. They're not murdering millions of people because they are "heretics" -- which the Christians have done for centuries.

[stevewinn]

Please, immigrants are no threat to you. Why cant they adapt their own culture to western society without discarding it entirely? What would you rather, hard working immigrants who are trying to live their dream in the west, or destructive white chavs who's families have been living in the country for fifty generations?

I'd like to see where you got your statistics from too, because i've heard the percentage of non religious was far higher than 15% in the UK.

Why are you making such a big deal out of christmas anyway? It wasn't a christian holiday to being with and it's hardly a christmas holiday now. Infact I'd say it's anti-christian because its all about greed, one of the seven deadly sins. The Jesus thing was just tacked on, even though Jesus, if he existed, probably wasnt born on December 25th.

The statistics come from the 2001 Census, This report about other religions and christmas was put together by two white ENGLISH left wing nut jobs, cradle i see your from Oz, your view on immigration is wrong, our infrastructure can not handle the current amount of people living in the UK, to be honest i couldnt give a flying **** about immigration anymore because within 5 years the sh** will hit the fan in UK, only then will left wing do gooders start to open their eyes to the mess they've made when basic services are failing, such has the road network, health, education, crime, transport, we're already starting to see the cracks,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=1

our population right now is more than the government says, i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt 68 million already.

[Mars]

I know Christians have done a lot. But no one can deny the Pagan origins of Christmas, just like they can't deny Halloween or Easter were originally pagan until assimilated.

Muslims also wiped out Amazigh paganism and murdered and persecuted Hindus, but they still celebrate their beliefs.

[Cradle of Fish]

The statistics come from the 2001 Census, This report about other religions and christmas was put together by two white ENGLISH left wing nut jobs, cradle i see your from Oz, your view on immigration is wrong, our infrastructure can not handle the current amount of people living in the UK, to be honest i couldnt give a flying **** about immigration anymore because within 5 years the sh** will hit the fan in UK, only then will left wing do gooders start to open their eyes to the mess they've made when basic services are failing, such has the road network, health, education, crime, transport, we're already starting to see the cracks,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=1

our population right now is more than the government says, i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt 68 million already.

I know there isn't much room in the UK, so why not try and pass them off to the US? They love immigrants there.

And so what, in 5 years, the natives will still outnumber the immigrants, and they can elect some fierce nationalist party to deal with the problem before returning to the status quo. Maybe in 50 years everyone will get along fine, just like they do in the US. The Irish, Italians, Jews and Chinese were all viewed as evil immigrants back in their time, and now they're part of the country.

[GreyWeather]

Please, Chokmah. This is a serious subject.

As Jedi are the fourth largest and quickest growing religion within the UK (with 390,000 followers), I don't see that the government will soon have any choice but to take us seriously on matters such as religious holidays, etc.

By the time of the 2011 census, it's quite possible that Jedi's will be the second largest religion in the UK.

May the Force be with you.

I was being serious. Anything can become a religion. Scientologists, Jedi's, Chokmah-week.

Keep everything how it is, or it all it gets stupid.

There are hundreds of religions out there, which could probably fill up the entire calander. But I doubt voodoo religions, bushman religions ectect would get the light of day. Why? Because the labour-liberals just want to please Islam and Judaism - even though they don't want it to happen (someone posted about hearing a discussion on the radio earlier).

They want to tighten up against segregation when... They really don't know how, so go for easy ideas that would change nothing and make things worse for the country and views on the gov't. How many christians celebrate Eid? How many muslims celebrate Hanukkah? What they're suggesting is that we should all celebrate all religious holidays despite your beliefs.

A poor attempt to combat segregation. 70% of the time, the people segregate themselves.

Edited November 2, 2007 by Chokmah

[hetrodoxly]

Shouldnt they upgrade the other holidays to the same level as Christmas? Or will the natives cry about that?

Do you have no sympathy with the beliefs of natives of the country you live in?

Edited November 2, 2007 by hetrodoxly

[hetrodoxly]

Please, immigrants are no threat to you. Why cant they adapt their own culture to western society without discarding it entirely? What would you rather, hard working immigrants who are trying to live their dream in the west, or destructive white chavs who's families have been living in the country for fifty generations?

I'd like to see where you got your statistics from too, because i've heard the percentage of non religious was far higher than 15% in the UK.

Why are you making such a big deal out of christmas anyway? It wasn't a christian holiday to being with and it's hardly a christmas holiday now. Infact I'd say it's anti-christian because its all about greed, one of the seven deadly sins. The Jesus thing was just tacked on, even though Jesus, if he existed, probably wasnt born on December 25th.

We've been celebrating it for over a thousand years, and a few thousand years before that under another name, we get drunk sing songs and are generally bawdey

like are ancestors were in their long halls, why should we sacrifice are traditions culture and customs.

[glorybebe]

We've been celebrating it for over a thousand years, and a few thousand years before that under another name, we get drunk sing songs and are generally bawdey

like are ancestors were in their long halls, why should we sacrifice are traditions culture and customs.

Exactly. Isn't that the issue in the OP? It's not about introducing the immigrants holidays, it's taking away the holiday(s) that have been celebrated in the UK for hundreds of years. Yes, there should be assimilation with the immigrants, but that doesn't mean that the holidays of the previous inhabitants need to be thrown out the door.

[Lt_Ripley]

The statistics come from the 2001 Census, This report about other religions and christmas was put together by two white ENGLISH left wing nut jobs, cradle i see your from Oz, your view on immigration is wrong, our infrastructure can not handle the current amount of people living in the UK, to be honest i couldnt give a flying **** about immigration anymore because within 5 years the sh** will hit the fan in UK, only then will left wing do gooders start to open their eyes to the mess they've made when basic services are failing, such has the road network, health, education, crime, transport, we're already starting to see the cracks,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=1

our population right now is more than the government says, i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt 68 million already.

I have just one question. have you followed your family roots back to where they came from ? Most 'English' persons are actually German by decent( or from somewhere in Europe) . I bet the people who were living in the country at the time weren't too happy to see a bunch of German ancestors coming over either.

unless you are descended from the Pict's or similar people , your not really English. Your family has just been in the country a long time. I bet you could find some Franks that have been in the country longer.

Just like the rightful owners of America are the natives .

just goes to show you hardly anyone is really a native.

[Unlimited]

please leave santa alone....

[Ins0mniac]

please leave santa alone....

Why? He's a communist! Just look at his red clothes, karl marx beard and and his habit of giving.

You of all people should hate him, Unlimited!

[stevewinn]

I have just one question. have you followed your family roots back to where they came from ? Most 'English' persons are actually German by decent( or from somewhere in Europe) . I bet the people who were living in the country at the time weren't too happy to see a bunch of German ancestors coming over either.

unless you are descended from the Pict's or similar people , your not really English. Your family has just been in the country a long time. I bet you could find some Franks that have been in the country longer.

Just like the rightful owners of America are the natives .

just goes to show you hardly anyone is really a native.

I've followed my families roots back to 1802'ish, Mum's side is English, my Dads Irish, but how many generations does it take to become English? before 1800's i havent a clue were my family originate,

Immigration is all about the cheap labour, British businesses move production to china and India because its cheap to produce goods because the wages the companies pay are peanuts compared to the British wage, so the government thinks, we cant move all our businesses to the far east so the next best thing is to bring in cheap labour (immigrants) thats the bottom line, it will all come out in the wash, trouble is when it comes out in the wash the politicians and the people responsible will be out of power and will not even have the decency to try and fix the problem they created, but what do we expect from politicians when they’ve never had a proper job, our politicians are a shower of sh**. You shouldnt be allowed to be Prime minister unless you've served in the Armed Forces, the last place common sense is in abundance.

Edited November 3, 2007 by stevewinn

[IronGhost]

Why? He's a communist! Just look at his red clothes, karl marx beard and and his habit of giving.

You of all people should hate him, Unlimited!

He's probably worse than a Communist. Just rearrange the letter of "Santa" a bit and you get, that's right ........ "Satan"!

And what about his army of "little helpers" at the North Pole -- elves or demons?

And wouldn't Satan want to steal the real meaning of Christmas -- replace it with an obsession for materialism, rather than holiness?

Santa ... I mean, Satan ... you're busted!

Edited November 3, 2007 by IronGhost

[hetrodoxly]

I have just one question. have you followed your family roots back to where they came from ? Most 'English' persons are actually German by decent( or from somewhere in Europe) . I bet the people who were living in the country at the time weren't too happy to see a bunch of German ancestors coming over either.

unless you are descended from the Pict's or similar people , your not really English. Your family has just been in the country a long time. I bet you could find some Franks that have been in the country longer.

Just like the rightful owners of America are the natives .

just goes to show you hardly anyone is really a native.

This isn't true. Germany didn't exist,

Sykes concludes that the majority of the genes of the peoples of the British Isles are descended from the oldest of the modern inhabitants: Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, who began arriving 10,000 years ago from Continental Europe after the end of the last Ice Age, as soon as the islands became habitable again.

Is that long Enough?

How about this for tracing your Ancestors

Cheddar Man is the name given to the remains of a human male found in Gough's Cave in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset, England. The remains date to approximately 7150 BC, and it appears that he died a violent death, perhaps related to the cannibalism practiced in the area at the time. He is Britain’s oldest complete human skeleton.

The remains were excavated in 1903, and currently reside in the Natural History Museum in London, with a replica in the "Cheddar Man and the Cannibals" museum in Cheddar village.

[edit] Mitochondrial DNA testing

In the late 1990s, Bryan Sykes of Oxford University first sequenced the mitochondrial DNA of Cheddar Man, with DNA extracted from one of Cheddar Man's molars. Cheddar Man was determined to have belonged to a branch of mitochondrial haplogroup U, a haplogroup which is especially common in Britain, Ireland and the Basque Country of northern Spain and south western France. Haplogroup U is generally found to be most common in southern and western Europe and may have originated in West Asia. Bryan Sykes' research into Cheddar Man was filmed as he performed it. As a means of connecting Cheddar Man to the living residents of Cheddar village, he compared mitochondrial DNA taken from twenty living residents of the village to that extracted from Cheddar Man’s molar. It produced two exact matches and one match with a single mutation. The two exact matches were schoolchildren, and their names were not released. The close match was a history teacher named Adrian Targett. [1]

This modern connection to Cheddar Man (who died at least three thousand years before agriculture began in Britain) makes very credible the theory that modern-day Britons are not all descended from Middle-Eastern migratory farmers, but rather modern Britons are descended from ancient European Palaeolithic and Mesolithic hunter-gatherer tribes who much later on adopted farming.[citation needed]

[edit] External links

Source for the DNA study

[Mars]

Most 'English' persons are actually German by decent( or from somewhere in Europe) .

Thats a myth. The Anglo-Saxons came in relatively smaller numbers than previously thought, and they CULTURALLY took over the natives, but they never extinguished them like some believe. Much like what the Celts did to the Pre Indo Europeans already there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/science/...and&emc=rss

Edited November 3, 2007 by Mars

[Unlimited]

I'ts actually a NWO plan to make you forget jesus...i believe they switch one letter and it's the satan clause?...

[Moon Monkey]

Actually research found that the celtic gene is still very dominant and is found in the same quantities in England as it is in Scotland, Ireland and Wales. There was a thread about in the Ancient Mysteries forum a few months back.

[glorybebe]

Actually research found that the celtic gene is still very dominant and is found in the same quantities in England as it is in Scotland, Ireland and Wales. There was a thread about in the Ancient Mysteries forum a few months back.

Either way...the English/British peoples ahve lived there for hundreds of years. How long have the immigrants been living there?

[Princess Serenity]

They're trying to cancel Christmas in the states. They try it every year. But they end up failing. They ever try to get rid of "Merry Christmas," because it might offend some other people of other religions.

But that sucks. You know continue to celebrate Christmas. Forget what people are trying to do.

[glorybebe]

They're trying to cancel Christmas in the states. They try it every year. But they end up failing. They ever try to get rid of "Merry Christmas," because it might offend some other people of other religions.

But that sucks. You know continue to celebrate Christmas. Forget what people are trying to do.

Where is the tolerance? We should respect other religions and beliefs, but they should do the same.

[Princess Serenity]

I know. But I'm just saying. It's like they're trying to shove the thing. To the trash can. That's all I'm saying.

Last year a store (I think it was Wal-mart) started to say "Merry Christmas."

Plus are other religions complaining about it? I don't remember any religions complaining.

I had a Jewish friend during HS. When the holidays rolled around, I said "Happy Hanukkah." And he said "Merry Christmas" to me.

Edited November 3, 2007 by MoonPrincess

[glorybebe]

I know. But I'm just saying. It's like they're trying to shove the thing. To the trash can. That's all I'm saying.

Last year a store (I think it was Wal-mart) started to say "Merry Christmas."

Plus are other religions complaining about it? I don't remember any religions complaining.

I had a Jewish friend during HS. When the holidays rolled around, I said "Happy Hanukkah." And he said "Merry Christmas" to me.

No, no, I was agreeing with you. I meant that everyone should be tolerant of other religions and beliefs. If you move to my country where we have celebrated Christmas for hundreds of eyars, then you need to remember that and not expect everyone to change just for you. And like I mantioned earlier, a Rabi was complaining about the Christmas Trees in an airport and wanted a symbol of his own faith to be displayed. After the ariport took down all the trees and didn't show any holiday spirit, the Rabi got threatening letters. He apologized and the trees were put up again. It is really sad that things like that have to happen.

[Moon Monkey]

Where is the tolerance? We should respect other religions and beliefs, but they should do the same.

On the whole they do, these ideas come from goody 2 shoes, liberal pillocks whose entire raison d'etre is to come up with such crap then form another commitee to study the repercussions of the fallout. They do much, much more harm than good and get paid well for doing it.

[glorybebe]

On the whole they do, these ideas come from goody 2 shoes, liberal pillocks whose entire raison d'etre is to come up with such crap then form another commitee to study the repercussions of the fallout. They do much, much more harm than good and get paid well for doing it.

Maybe that's the plan behind it then. If everyone is kept bickering over religion they don't see what the government is doing around them.