Unlimited Posted November 6, 2007 #26 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Do you think waterboarding is something new, or was first employed by the Bush Administration? no it was just refined... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #27 Share Posted November 6, 2007 no it was just refined... Really? And how would you know that? Did King Triad tell you? Did they give you a history of water-boarding when Bush had you kidnapped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted November 6, 2007 #28 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Really? And how would you know that? Did they give you a history of water-boarding when Bush had you kidnapped? no luckily they didnt torcher me..for them..you need to watch your mouth ..son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #29 Share Posted November 6, 2007 There is no prohibition against water-boarding specifically ANYWHERE in the Geneva Convention or the UN Convention Against Torture. There is NO US law designating water-boarding as a form of torture. It is debatable whether it is a form of torture or not. Lies! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#International_law International law All countries that are signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture have agreed they are subjected to the explicit prohibition on torture under any condition, and as such there exists no legal exception under this treaty. (The treaty states, No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.) Additionally, signatories of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights also agreed to its Article 5, which states, No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. [edit] United States * In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[13] The charges of Violation of the Laws and Customs of War against Asano also included "beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward."[55] * In its 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State formally recognized "submersion of the head in water" as torture in its examination of Tunisia's poor human rights record, [56] and critics of waterboarding draw parallels between the two techniques, citing the similar usage of water on the subject. * On September 6, 2006, the United States Department of Defense released a revised Army Field Manual entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations that prohibits the use of waterboarding by U.S. military personnel. The department adopted the manual amid widespread criticism of U.S. handling of prisoners in the War on Terrorism, and prohibits other practices in addition to waterboarding. The revised manual applies only to U.S. military personnel, and as such does not apply to the practices of the CIA.[57] However, under international law, violators of the laws of war are criminally liable under the command responsibility, and could still be prosecuted for war crimes.[58] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMockYou Posted November 6, 2007 #30 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Even if Water boarding is torture if it saves one US life then I would support water boarding a thousand terrorists. They are lucky we dont use the Iron Maiden. and By the way the terrorist better get used to it, because under the Guliani their will be more where that came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted November 6, 2007 #31 Share Posted November 6, 2007 no it was just refined... YES, it was refined. Now they use bottled water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted November 6, 2007 #32 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Lies! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#International_law International law All countries that are signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture have agreed they are subjected to the explicit prohibition on torture under any condition, and as such there exists no legal exception under this treaty. (The treaty states, No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.) Additionally, signatories of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights also agreed to its Article 5, which states, No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. [edit] United States * In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[13] The charges of Violation of the Laws and Customs of War against Asano also included "beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward."[55] * In its 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State formally recognized "submersion of the head in water" as torture in its examination of Tunisia's poor human rights record, [56] and critics of waterboarding draw parallels between the two techniques, citing the similar usage of water on the subject. * On September 6, 2006, the United States Department of Defense released a revised Army Field Manual entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations that prohibits the use of waterboarding by U.S. military personnel. The department adopted the manual amid widespread criticism of U.S. handling of prisoners in the War on Terrorism, and prohibits other practices in addition to waterboarding. The revised manual applies only to U.S. military personnel, and as such does not apply to the practices of the CIA.[57] However, under international law, violators of the laws of war are criminally liable under the command responsibility, and could still be prosecuted for war crimes.[58] thanks bob good post....simulated drowning is not cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #33 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I wish you Cons would stop making America look bad. You shame us all when you support torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #34 Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) Lies! Actually, al'Qaeda-Wannabe, I didn't lie. Everything I said was true, and your backs it up. There is no rule specifically prohibiting waterboarding in the UN Convention Against Torture; it prohibits torture, but it is debatable whether water-boarding is torture or not. Want to try again, al'Qaeda-Wannabe? Edited November 6, 2007 by BrucePrime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted November 6, 2007 #35 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Actually, al'Qaeda-Wannabe, I didn't lie. Everything I said was true, and your backs it up. There is no rule specifically prohibiting waterboarding in the UN Convention Against Torture; it prohibits torture, but it is debatable whether water-boarding is torture or not. Want to try again, al'Qaeda-Wannabe? bruce do your NSA handlers know you talk like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #36 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I wish you Cons would stop making America look bad. You shame us all when you support torture. I wish you would stop being a tool of our enemies, and a wannabe member of al'Qaeda. I wish you wouldn't tell us 9/11 was deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #37 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I just reported you Bruce. I am sick of you resorting to namecalling everytime you are proven wrong. It happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMockYou Posted November 6, 2007 #38 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I just reported you Bruce. I am sick of you resorting to namecalling everytime you are proven wrong. It happens all the time. Very Grown up of you Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted November 6, 2007 #39 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I just reported you Bruce. I am sick of you resorting to namecalling everytime you are proven wrong. It happens all the time. I could have reported you many times. But it is enough for me for readers to see what you are all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #40 Share Posted November 6, 2007 This is very rich, coming from Bob. Bob will constantly post that little article proclaiming, "Conservatives don't understand nuance! They hate grey areas!" This just proves the opposite. Bob thinks torture is bad, and anything that causes he comrades-in-murder discomfort is torture, and there are no two ways about it. Well, when the United States does it at least. He thinks it's okay when Chavez or Ahmedinejad does it; he thinks it's necessary. He loved it when Nick Berg was beheaded, he cheered and clapped, just like he did on 9/11. However, we understand that extreme measures are necessary to protect not only us, but countless thousands around the world. We understand there is a grey area. You damn well better believe that when it comes to saving lives, I don't care about discomforted or psychologically hurt a terrorist might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted November 6, 2007 #41 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I could have reported you many times. But it is enough for me for readers to see what you are all about. because they have different viewpoints that's no reason for bruce to call him an alqaeda terrorist...if you read bobs posts he cares.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #42 Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) Sorry guys, but if I call someone a name. I get banned for a month. What goes around comes around. If I have to be civil, so do you. Edited November 6, 2007 by Bob26003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #43 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I just reported you Bruce. I am sick of you resorting to namecalling everytime you are proven wrong. It happens all the time. Actually, I wasn't proven wrong. I was proven right. You are just upset we've exposed you. The reason you don't like waterboarding is because you see al'Qaeda as brothers-in-arms, and don't want any method employed that could expose their plots, plots you hope kill thousands of Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #44 Share Posted November 6, 2007 BTW, before you guys start calling me a snitch. This is the first time I have ever reported someone. and BTW, who was it that got me kicked for a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #45 Share Posted November 6, 2007 and BTW, who was it that got me kicked for a month? Well, that would have been yourself, Bobcat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #46 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I bet you reported me many times Bruce. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikman Posted November 6, 2007 #47 Share Posted November 6, 2007 That's enough bickering and name calling, people. Let's drop the matter and focus on the topic at hand without the insulting personal observations, they're inflametory and unproductive and tends to derail the discussion. Keep the comments civil if you want to participate or move on. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlimited Posted November 6, 2007 #48 Share Posted November 6, 2007 back to topic...do you think this guy will be confirmed?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob26003 Posted November 6, 2007 Author #49 Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) back to topic...do you think this guy will be confirmed?.... Unfortunately yes. The Dems just don't have the spine to stand up to Bush. Lord knows why. They swept the elections and most Americans don't like Bush. Edited November 6, 2007 by Bob26003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrucePrime Posted November 6, 2007 #50 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Of course he will. The Democrats aren't really against waterboarding; it's a method the CIA and other interrogators within the government have employed for a long time, including during Democrat Administrations. They just want to manufacture a scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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