Reason US went to War: to stop Evil Biology & Chem

[Engulf]

I'm not gonna follow up on the current argument, just a lil something to say. I quoted Saddam saying he wasn't in the 'best' of ties with Osama. He never trusted him in the first place. I have a feeling there's just more than meets the eye in this whole mess. Moreover it, I don't really think Bush's got any intentions to hunt down the oil in Iraq, but rather another secret agenda in place ......

[bathory]

I willing to stake money you dont come up with a decent answer to that one. I mean they admitted that they were hiding the bombers. How many american citizens died that night? So why didnt we invade them?

because it was a different administration? If oil was such a big deal why didn't the US take Iraq during the Gulf War, surely they could have justified it?

Ill tell you why, Libya doesnt have huge reserves of oil thats why.

and Clinton bombed Kosovo because....

Why do u think 50% of britain's population was against the war. They understood the real reasons behind this wr.

why do you think 50% of britain's population was for the war? what evidence do you have to suggest that it was done for oil? you obviously have some because you seem so sure.

I do agree that us invading Iraq influenced libya to allow inspections and that is a good thing, but that doesnt make what we did right.

because attempting to liberate a country is always a bad bad thing.

Wow we've scared the rest of the planet. We must have done the right thing LOL.

America has scared several countries into giving up and/or exposing their nuclear weapons programs, oh wait, thats a bad thing.

I'm not gonna follow up on the current argument, just a lil something to say. I quoted Saddam saying he wasn't in the 'best' of ties with Osama. He never trusted him in the first place. I have a feeling there's just more than meets the eye in this whole mess.

i agree, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, just because Saddam didn't trust/like Osama doesn't mean he has no problem with using their organization for his dirty work (i'm not saying he did, i'm just addressing and argument which is sometimes used)

[wunarmdscissor]

Im sorry for calling you a fool joc that was out of order

[+joc]

Thank-you.

[wunarmdscissor]

because it was a different administration? If oil was such a big deal why didn't the US take Iraq during the Gulf War, surely they could have justified it?

No wrong they didnt take iraq then because the resolution that was passed by the UNITED NATIONS was to get saddam out of kuwait. They were not authorised to take out saddam. This was the difference the reason they were able to do it this time is because they said to hell with the united nations and bypassed them.

and Clinton bombed Kosovo because....

He didnt bomb kosovo he bombed serbia because of the GENOCIDE that was being committed by milosovic . This I have no argument with, there were no ulterior motives just plain good human compassion, which i fear and believe was not the reason bush went into iraq. Im not so sure about tony blair though i actually do believe he wanted to do the right thing.

No, we have scared the rest of the terrorists.

Wrong again are there not still terrorist attacks on our troops and countrymen around the world daily?

These people are not scared of death just look at 9/11 theyre maniacs whos hatred has only been intensified by what they see a western imperialism, Im not saying i agree with that all im saying is thats all we've done.

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. The large difference is that the Communists will kill you for disagreeing with them and the Socialists will not.

I never said they were the same thing ????????

why do you think 50% of britain's population was for the war? what evidence do you have to suggest that it was done for oil? you obviously have some because you seem so sure.

I havent actually stated what side im on, i do think liberating Iraq was a good thing. I object however to be lied to by my government. When i read that he could attack us within 40 mins i thought yeah go an get him, but this doesnt seem to be accurate, and dont even get started on the WMD's that theyve cant fidt.

what evidence do you have to suggest that it was done for oil? you obviously have some because you seem so sure.

The man was evil but now if we went into iraq are we gonna go everywhere around the world . No

The reason is these countries in africa and places like that have nothing we need like OIL!!

because attempting to liberate a country is always a bad bad thing.

When have i ever said it was a bad thing. Ill say it for the umpteenth time i believe liberating Iraq was great. I just think the motives and evidence for doing it are dubious to say the least.

BTW there were a lot of innocent Iraqis killed during their "liberation"

[+joc]

BTW there were a lot of innocent Iraqis killed during their "liberation"

True! There are innocents killed in every war. Is that a reason not to go to

war?

More innocents were killed by Sadaam.......lots more.............

[wunarmdscissor]

Im not gonna argue with that saddam killed thousands all im saying is that its wroth remembering that a lot of Iraqis died by our country's hands.

[+joc]

Im not gonna argue with that saddam killed thousands all im saying is that its wroth remembering that a lot of Iraqis died by our country's hands.

If Sadaam had complied with the UN resolutions, if Sadaam had not chosen

to export terrorism, if Sadaam had opened up his country fully to the

weapons inspectors...........not one Iraqi would have died by our bombs or

bullets.......it's his fault not ours.

[wunarmdscissor]

We supplied him with the weapons to do these awful things, we trained his troops and we bankrolled his regime so much that to the iraqis he was all powerful.

Thatcher and Reagon have a lot to answer for.

I think you'll find that we do have a hand in the situation becoming what it has.

[+joc]

We supplied him with the weapons to do these awful things, we trained his troops and we bankrolled his regime so much that to the iraqis he was all powerful.

We sought to equalize the power in the middle east. We did the same for Iran

under the regime of The Shaw befor Kohmeni.

We are not responsible for his lunacy....he is......dude.......it sounds

almost like you are defending him...I know you aren't but it is beginning

to sound that way.

Can we all agree that you just hate Bush and that is at the root of your

opinions on most issues like this?

[Dowdy]

one questions...

Who here still thinks the war was justified - IE. Saddam had WMD (which they SILL havn't found) and he was part of Al-Queada (which has never been proven)

Aiding Al-Queada, i mean

anyone still think it was justified?

[+joc]

one questions...

Who here still thinks the war was justified - IE. Saddam had WMD (which they SILL havn't found) and he was part of Al-Queada (which has never been proven)

Aiding Al-Queada, i mean

anyone still think it was justified?

The war was justified.....anyone who doesn't think it was in my opinion....

...........just doesn't get it!

[Xenojjin]

And it comes back to my theory that a critical thinking course should be mandatory in high school, and required before given the privilege of voting.

so true ...

[+joc]

You may think it unjustified.

You are entitled to that opinion.

A new question:

If you could wave a magic wand and put Sadaam back

in power....would you?

Don't blink my friend.....you might miss the invasion of Iran! Rumor has it Osama is hiding their.

[bathory]

No wrong they didnt take iraq then because the resolution that was passed by the UNITED NATIONS was to get saddam out of kuwait. They were not authorised to take out saddam. This was the difference the reason they were able to do it this time is because they said to hell with the united nations and bypassed them.

so why did they listen to the UN back in those days? maybe they thought the UN would actually do its job..

He didnt bomb kosovo he bombed serbia because of the GENOCIDE that was being committed by milosovic . This I have no argument with, there were no ulterior motives just plain good human compassion, which i fear and believe was not the reason bush went into iraq. Im not so sure about tony blair though i actually do believe he wanted to do the right thing.

well they bombed a good part of both then, how do you know that there were no alterior motives?

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. The large difference is that the Communists will kill you for disagreeing with them and the Socialists will not.

socialism is a political position while communism is form of economy..

The reason is these countries in africa and places like that have nothing we need like OIL!!

or maybe they aren't considered as much of a threat to world stability as iraq was...

BTW there were a lot of innocent Iraqis killed during their "liberation"

so? generally when you remove a malicious leader from power there tends to be casualties, its already been said, more will have died at the hands of Saddam and then his even crazier sons as time went on.

[Dowdy]

this is not weather or not Saddam should be in power, It's about - Was the war justified?

....Here are the facts

Saddam killed his own people, America previously experimented on it's people.

Bush wanted to go to war with Saddam regardless of the results of the weapon inspectors.

How i know??

The australian soldiers were in Iraq a month before the weapon inspectors were even in there!

I met a friend on my holidays who is in the Australian army. He is a Sapper (lays mines and other stuff) and he went to Iraq to fight.

Meant to be classified but it's not like it's going to make a difference now...

[Fluffybunny]

Can we all agree that you just hate Bush and that is at the root of your opinions on most issues like this?

I think that much of what Bush does/did is great, that isn't the case at all. I support him on many issues. I don't think that is for most of the people here.

No one is saying that everything he did is wrong, just the invasion of Iraq for the reasons that have been listed umpteen times that you don't seem to understand.

Maybe it is just easier for you to think that the only reason that poeple could possibly speak ill of bush is because is because they hate him. That may be comforting for you.

Maybe that is how you make decisions on issues; Generalized blanket statements and black/white evaluations of each issue. You do it, and assume that everyone else does. There is more to the world than just the black and white. There is more to this issue than the black or white.

I have yet to see anything in any one of your posts on this topic or any other that leads me to believe that you have excercised any critical independant thought. Not a bit, and that saddens me to no end. I would have more respect if you could support Bush with some degree of independant analysis and original thought, but you haven't done that. As far as I can tell you have Bush'isms and Rush'isms setup as macros on you computer...

You have done marvelousely at regurgatating sound bites of both Bush and Rush, word for word. The only thing that you have added to the mix is your "Kill them all and let god sort them out" mentality that shows even less critical thought on your part, as that has been a bumper sticker for lord knows how long...

I am done with you. You can try to debate someone else here. You set a horrible example of what America is about, and I am ashamed that the people of this board consider you and I of the same country.

[+joc]

Saddam killed his own people, America previously experimented on it's people.

Care to elaborate?

[Dowdy]

yes

If you could wave a magic wand and put Sadaam back

in power....would you?

this statement sound like you justifed the war on Saddam being evil but i don't see any difference between killing your own people and experimenting on your own people.

Both are evil deads.

Makes the American government (back then) no better than Saddam

[+joc]

No one is saying that everything he did is wrong, just the invasion of Iraq for the reasons that have been listed umpteen times that you don't seem to understand.

Maybe it is just easier for you to think that the only reason that poeple could possibly speak ill of bush is because is because they hate him. That may be comforting for you.

Wrong Fluff. I know you listen to the news (and Rush). A lot of people...a LOT

of Americans do indeed Hate Bush. The Media inparticular. I don't agree with

Bush on everything domestic....but I do agree with him 100% on the war on

terrorism.

I am sorry you feel the way you do.

[doomgirl]

Oil Oil Oil

[wunarmdscissor]

We are not responsible for his lunacy....he is......dude.......it sounds

almost like you are defending him...I know you aren't but it is beginning

to sound that way.

Joc Do u just refuse to read posts. Now again i will state gettin rid of saddam was a good thing, a great thing. I wanted rid of him all along but we have to do things properly. If there are no WMD's then how can we possibly justify going invading a country.

How dare you say that? One of my closest friends is an Iraqi (as i have already stated) and he was overjoyed at saddams removal and so was I.

Dont ever spout crap like that about me again, accusing me of supporting a murderous dictator is just daft.

Now, and read this for gods sake please, If we are going to "liberate" countries on the pre-text that if there is undue human suffering going on in a country then we need to do it everywhere. If we dont then it looks (and in my opinion i believe we have) as though we have alterior motives.

Don't blink my friend.....you might miss the invasion of Iran! Rumor has it Osama is hiding their.

Wot are you talking about?

how do you know that there were no alterior motives?

Wot would NATO gain by bombing serbia bathory?

Besides angering russia there was no political, economic or military gain in this. Very unlike us invading Iraq.

or maybe they aren't considered as much of a threat to world stability as iraq was...

So without WMD's how was saddam anymore of a threat than mugabe?

so why did they listen to the UN back in those days? maybe they thought the UN would actually do its job..

Oh the simple fact that there was just cause back then. The UN was set up primarily to prevent one country from taking anothers sovereignty IE. Iraq invading Kuwait.

[+joc]

Now, and read this for gods sake please, If we are going to "liberate" countries on the pre-text that if there is undue human suffering going on in a country then we need to do it everywhere. If we dont then it looks (and in my opinion i believe we have) as though we have alterior motives.

Libertating Iraq was not the objective. It was a by-product.

Alterior motive?! Peace in the middle east is the motive. See, I

and most Americans believe, as does President Bush, that peace in the

middle east equals 'a more stable and peaceful world'.

Dont ever spout crap like that about me again, accusing me of supporting a murderous dictator is just daft.

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I know (and I said this already) you

aren't defending Hussein. It is just that some of your rhetoric seems to negate

your true feelings that we are rid of him. I understand you are one of these

people who can on one hand 'support the troops' and on the other hand

'be against the war'. I just happen to be in favor of the war. And I am

in favor of it because the guy was a loose cannon. We are still in the

process of accumulating information on the atrocities of Sadaam.

One of my closest friends is an Iraqi (as i have already stated) and he was overjoyed at saddams removal and so was I.

I have several friends from Iraq and one very good friend from Iran. He has

told me (and I believe him) that Hafez al-Assad (the late President of Syria; his son now runs things) made Sadaam look like a

boyscout. Are we going to war with Syria....probably not...I think they got the

message.

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Don't blink my friend.....you might miss the invasion of Iran! Rumor has it Osama is hiding their.

Wot are you talking about? 

I heard on the news something about the US believing that Osama is

hiding in Iran. If we have intelligence that confirms that.............I don't think

we will be going to the UN and asking for permission to go in and get him.

It will happen pretty fast so ..........don't blink....you might miss it.

Look, I know you are against the war....I know you are glad Sadaam is gone.

How else short of war was that going to happen? And you didn't answer the new

question: If you could wave a magic wand and undo the war would you?

Oil Oil Oil 

Give me oil or give me death!

Wait sorry .......give me liberty or give me....uh...oil?!

I am done with you. You can try to debate someone else here. You set a horrible example of what America is about, and I am ashamed that the people of this board consider you and I of the same country.

This somehow seems strange coming from a Libertarian. Are you sure

you aren't a Liberaltarian? I'm not ashamed of you at all.

As far as I can tell you have Bush'isms and Rush'isms setup as macros on you computer...

I will tell you what I do have as a background on my computer.......It is a picture

of the glistening skyline of New York City at night........before 9/11. It keeps

things in perspective as far as all of this goes.

[wunarmdscissor]

Look, I know you are against the war....I know you are glad Sadaam is gone.

How else short of war was that going to happen? And you didn't answer the new

question: If you could wave a magic wand and undo the war would you?

NO i wouldnt not for a second.

Also i havent said i am against the war. I said i was against the reasons that were given for going to war. I was also against bein lied to by my government.

I beleive that the west shouldnt be held to ransom over oil. I beleive that we should look after our interests too. I amnt as left wing as you may believe.

I am just a very undecided person lol

[wunarmdscissor]

LOL

I heard on the news something about the US believing that Osama is

hiding in Iran. If we have intelligence that confirms that.............I don't think

we will be going to the UN and asking for permission to go in and get him.

It will happen pretty fast so ..........don't blink....you might miss it.

The same intelligence that said there was WMD's in Iraq. Well if we go into Iran then we really are imperialist invaders.