Mystery Space Machines Above

[satcomuk]

I would say that this is all fake. Im sure that if he can view these objects, then other people would be able to too. If it was me that was filming these objects, the first thing i would do is prove it buy getting credible people round my house to have a look, why does he not do this? The rense website done a big thing on him, and as far as i know, its still up there on the site. I would like to know why he has not tried to prove this by letting other people view what he is seeing first hand. Surly it would not be hard, as he is seeing these things quite often. It really pi**es me off!

No one else can view/image these things simply because they just are not there !

You must grasp the concept of what he is saying...that these are large objects in space.....if that were so then they would be visible not just from his location , but , bearing in mind he said there were overhead, from hundreds of miles around.

There's no point in discussing for weeks something that just doesnt exist.

The fact is , this is a total and utter con and I am amazed that it is getting so much credence from seemingly intelligent people !

The desire to believe shouldnt cloud ones vision.......otherwise , people like Walson/Spencer or whatever he is calling himself now , will cash in on it and come up with scam after scam !

[dcman]

No one else can view/image these things simply because they just are not there !

You must grasp the concept of what he is saying...that these are large objects in space.....if that were so then they would be visible not just from his location , but , bearing in mind he said there were overhead, from hundreds of miles around.

There's no point in discussing for weeks something that just doesnt exist.

The fact is , this is a total and utter con and I am amazed that it is getting so much credence from seemingly intelligent people !

The desire to believe shouldnt cloud ones vision.......otherwise , people like Walson/Spencer or whatever he is calling himself now , will cash in on it and come up with scam after scam !

I haven't really followed this thread, but it seems to me if this guy wants any credibility, he should let others in on his little secret (what ever it is). Oh well... these sats will be invisible soon enough.

http://www.rle.mit.edu/rleonline/ProgressReports/1799_18.pdf

Not only does left-handed metamaterials bend light around it, creating a perfect cloak, but I think they are testing for radar/other invisibilty as well.

...but how do you make left handed metamaterials visible in natural light? If this person has access to a lens that no one else has, it may explain why he spots and photographs them...

think I'm dreaming?

http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/invisibility-cloak.htm

Edited January 17, 2008 by dcman

[the_UNKNOWN_DEAD]

...think I'm dreaming?

I think I don't know why you would believe a proven liar.

But that's just me.

[dcman]

I think I don't know why you would believe a proven liar.

But that's just me.

Didn't say I was believing him, only that the technology exists to cloak these sats (if they are)...and perhaps a lens made of http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/ can find them. The question is where would he get such a lens, (strickly controlled by the military I would presume) and why would he blow the whistle if he acquired it? ...if there is such a thing of course. Just hypothesizing here.

[dcman]

Didn't say I was believing him, only that the technology exists to cloak these sats (if they are)...and perhaps a lens made of http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/ can find them. The question is where would he get such a lens, (strickly controlled by the military I would presume) and why would he blow the whistle if he acquired it? ...if there is such a thing of course. Just hypothesizing here.

http://tinyurl.com/3x5ynj

[satcomuk]

Sorry.........no cloaking , no special lens ...... its simply all B******t

Try to see through the scam.....forget what you want to believe and just open your eyes to the truth.

Then think logically and you'll realise that Walson is just a con merchant.

[dcman]

Sorry.........no cloaking , no special lens ...... its simply all B******t

Try to see through the scam.....forget what you want to believe and just open your eyes to the truth.

Then think logically and you'll realise that Walson is just a con merchant.

Sorry, this military technology exists and is no b/s! I have to look at it from that perspective and then weigh it out...you see, ic. Believe what you want.

[the_UNKNOWN_DEAD]

Believe what you want.

Unfortunately it appears that you are the one who is allowing his "want" to guide his "belief".

There is no evidence for your "cloaked" satellites, and your belief simply isn't enough to make them real.

[dcman]

Unfortunately it appears that you are the one who is allowing his "want" to guide his "belief".

There is no evidence for your "cloaked" satellites, and your belief simply isn't enough to make them real.

read the tinyurl link.

[satcomuk]

DCMan I respect your comments about cloaking..............in fact that very subject has been discussed at length elesewhere ...... but the fact is the technology you refer to just isnt available yet and certainly not in orbit.

Even if it was it has nothing whatsoever to do with this case.

I am well experienced in space imaging ansd specialise in satellites.

If there was anything up there other than conventional birds , which were visible from the ground ....and Walson admits that his targets are "naked eye objects" then I and my satellite observing colleagues would know about them.

The biggest object up there is ISS...after that we are talking much smaller targets at much greater distances......thats why I added the images earlier.

From our images we can not only determine the basic design , but also calculate size.

As an example the small satellite pictured "Lacrosse 2 " is between 25 and 30 metres across. We know that because we can calculate the dimensions from pixel size in the image....even though the satellite is so heavilly classified , no actual data has ever been published.

So , on that basis how big are Walsons supposed Giant Machines ????? Bigger and lower than ISS ???? 100 , 200 metres wide ? Why stop there , why not a few kilometres wide !

Space imaging is a science , something that Walson obviously doesn't grasp. Instead he relies on the ignorance of the readership . If you fool enough people , enough of the time , eventually you end up with a colony of "bleevers"

[the_UNKNOWN_DEAD]

read the tinyurl link.

Can't...the link leads nowhere...

[dcman]

DCMan I respect your comments about cloaking..............in fact that very subject has been discussed at length elesewhere ...... but the fact is the technology you refer to just isnt available yet and certainly not in orbit.

Even if it was it has nothing whatsoever to do with this case.

I am well experienced in space imaging ansd specialise in satellites.

If there was anything up there other than conventional birds , which were visible from the ground ....and Walson admits that his targets are "naked eye objects" then I and my satellite observing colleagues would know about them.

The biggest object up there is ISS...after that we are talking much smaller targets at much greater distances......thats why I added the images earlier.

From our images we can not only determine the basic design , but also calculate size.

As an example the small satellite pictured "Lacrosse 2 " is between 25 and 30 metres across. We know that because we can calculate the dimensions from pixel size in the image....even though the satellite is so heavilly classified , no actual data has ever been published.

So , on that basis how big are Walsons supposed Giant Machines ????? Bigger and lower than ISS ???? 100 , 200 metres wide ? Why stop there , why not a few kilometres wide !

Space imaging is a science , something that Walson obviously doesn't grasp. Instead he relies on the ignorance of the readership . If you fool enough people , enough of the time , eventually you end up with a colony of "bleevers"

I'm sure you can understand the need to protect and keep secrecy? No?

[satcomuk]

I'm sure you can understand the need to protect and keep secrecy? No?

Sorry , you are just going round in circles in order to perpetuate a myth .

I'm not interested in the could be's and possibles...I'm interested in fact and this particular case.

Talking about cloaking , special lens etc is just a diversion. ...... and I'm sure you know that ! ..... If you want to go on about such stuff , find a Trekkie thread somewhere.

The title of this thread is Mystery Space Machines Above

There is no mystery , because there are no "mystery" machines..............but there "are" plenty of gullible people about.Thats why this story has been rattling round for so long !

[dcman]

Sorry , you are just going round in circles in order to perpetuate a myth .

I'm not interested in the could be's and possibles...I'm interested in fact and this particular case.

Talking about cloaking , special lens etc is just a diversion. ...... and I'm sure you know that ! ..... If you want to go on about such stuff , find a Trekkie thread somewhere.

The title of this thread is Mystery Space Machines Above

There is no mystery , because there are no "mystery" machines..............but there "are" plenty of gullible people about.Thats why this story has been rattling round for so long !

Then if there is absolutely NOTHING to this, then why are you going on and on and on, forum after forum trying to debunk this?? J...ust curious. For someone who is "high up" you seem to be really going out of your way to do this. I am not gullible nor am I incredulous as you seem to portray yourself...save your comments, I never said I believe this guy and to be honest, I just don't care if these things exist. So what.

[satcomuk]

Then if there is absolutely NOTHING to this, then why are you going on and on and on, forum after forum trying to debunk this?? J...ust curious. For someone who is "high up" you seem to be really going out of your way to do this. I am not gullible nor am I incredulous as you seem to portray yourself...save your comments, I never said I believe this guy and to be honest, I just don't care if these things exist. So what.

Oh dear..... nerves seem to have been exposed

Its just another con.........................case closed.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Then if there is absolutely NOTHING to this, then why are you going on and on and on, forum after forum trying to debunk this?? J...ust curious. For someone who is "high up" you seem to be really going out of your way to do this. I am not gullible nor am I incredulous as you seem to portray yourself...save your comments, I never said I believe this guy and to be honest, I just don't care if these things exist. So what.

Then why post it. Since you are such a big believer, most would assume you believe this if you post it especially since you seem to be defending it.

I must say, I thought it was very interesting untill it was properly explained. Now I know better. Live and learn.

[Zaus]

this is no ordinary sighting, this is video of a spacecraft that has been in orbit taken by video from a man in the UK his Youtube account is Gridkeeper

and the information there is for lack of a better word amazing.

What are these things?

Are they from Earth?

Whats going on here?????

Edited January 17, 2008 by Zaus

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Isnt this the same thing that is already on another thread?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=114583

[1.618]

roflmao. i used to play a tabletop wargame....battlefleet gothic involving model spaceships. the ships in the video are identical

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

roflmao. i used to play a tabletop wargame....battlefleet gothic involving model spaceships. the ships in the video are identical

Thankyou.

[Zaus]

First off, space debris doesn't produce what sounds like rhythmic pulses.

this is a classic situation

We found stuff in space that could be either secret military crafts or alien crafts,

Since no one will be clarifying what these things are to the general populace its safe to assume they really are either one or the other, that being said Im betting they are alien in nature as that IS something the higher-ups wouldn't want you to know, but, i refuse to believe the other governments in the world don't know about this, they spend far too much money in intelligence to have not known about these crafts.

Now we KNOW we have been lied to, and damnit this concerns me! Its my Fing planet too!

surely raises some questions like what the hell was the purpose of the pulsing rhythm from that one ship?

When were these ships shot up and from where, or were they built in space?

What kind of technologies do we possess on these crafts that haven't been released to the public?

If they are not Terrestrial in nature, how long have we been in contact with alien beings?

[Zaus]

damnit... its the thread below this one that has the link to the page, and BTW anyone play star control? The ship with the long tail looks exactly like one of the alien ships in that game.

[FireMoon]

Think it's the third pic down, that is a dead ringer for a slighlty out of focus Klingon D7 battlecruiser...

[Robbo]

Its definately Klingon, although I thought it was a K'tinga class

[Robbo]

If you look at some of the pics, they are classic satellite design, the pulsing may be the signal supposed to be comming from them. I have already posted this:

Looks to me like a satellite.

Look at the bottom two photos in this pic and tell me you dont see a Klingon ship!

Edited January 18, 2008 by Robbo