Scientific Evidences for the Existence of GOD

[Ely]

Hey Everyone (!)

My name is luis marco figueroa conde, age 24, and I am from Mexico City.

Somehow the existence of GOD has already been proven cientifically.

On the Urantia Papers (Urantia Revelation) we are revealed that the God of our Creation, the God of our universe of universes, is a finite, evolving and experiential Deity whose source is the own Trinity of Paradise (GOD): the Universal Father, the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit.

It has the name, on the Urantia Revelation, of Supreme Being / Supreme God, who (is a Personality) grows and progresses together with all of us his children, and actualizes himself while we all advance in the evolving plan of GOD created by HIM.

It is already know, and this is no secret, that Quantum Physics has demonstrated that everything in the Cosmos has consciousness.. this is already know by scientists (not all), even though it may be denied or rejected..

Science has been discovering the significant coincidences between scientific discoveries-data-info and the revelations of the world´s ancient religions regarding the CREATOR GOD.

So Science has demonstrated and experimentally proven the physical-material aspect of GOD. Let´s see:

Courtesy of Jan Wicherink, author of the online book Souls of Distortion Awakening (emphasis mine) [http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter6.html] --

Torsion waves allow for information transfer across the universe, connecting every atom with every other atom and since torsion waves travel at super luminous speeds they could be the explanation of the non-local effects that were predicted in theory and empirically discovered in quantum physics. The information field created by torsion waves allows for a coherent whole of the universe, connecting every little atom with all other matter in the universe, informing it of its whereabouts and activity. In fact scientists are discovering a very high state of coherence in our physical universe that cannot easily be explained if the universe is a bunch of single individual parts of atoms, molecules, planets and stars that only maintain contact by separate forces such as gravity acting upon them. Quantum entangled particles keep their coherent relation eternally and are not bothered by any distance separating them whether it be a few millimetres or the distance of a galaxy. These coherent relations can only be explained if an invisible field permeates the universe that interconnects them.

The information field described above is termed the A-field by Professor Emeritus Ervin Laszlo. Laszlo in the last four decades developed an integral theory for everything; instead of specialising in one particular field, Laszlo has studied many fields of science and finally developed an integral system theory. According to Laszlo the A-field is more fundamental than energy and matter in the universe. It’s this primordial information field that is the ground of our universe interconnecting everything with everything rendering our view of separate entities in this universe useless. In his system theory there are no separate entities at all; ‘separate’ entities that we observe in our universe are all embedded in one seamless interwoven net of connections.

The A-field of torsion waves may be new to science but its existence has been known for thousands of years in the East. The only new thing about it is that it is being rediscovered by western science. Eastern spiritual tradition has named this field the Akasha field. Akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning radiating or shining, it’s a synonym for aether. Akasha is the womb of creation bringing forth every physical aspect that can be perceived with the senses according to eastern traditions. In ancient eastern spirituality the history written within the Akasha field are called the Askashic chronicles, the book of life that records everything that has ever happened or will happen in the universe. The Akashic chronicles or Akashic records contain the story of every soul that ever lived on this planet.

So, it´s false that GOD does not exist...

HE was revealed through ancient civilizations (for example the Akashic field) and we did not pay any attention.

Luis

Edited February 18, 2008 by CSLewis

[Ely]

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We have amply demonstrated in this book that frontier-breaking scientists are now discovering the existence of an all-pervading energy aether field that they believe is the source of both the physical realm and non-physical realm of consciousness. Ancient cultures have told us for thousands of years the very same thing. This energy field was known in different cultures by different names like Prana, Ki, Chi and Akasha. Science simply refused to believe that it could ever be real and in the West we believed it to be a superstitious and primitive thought.

For thousands of years eastern sages have also told us that the distinction between the material and the immaterial realm is superficial and that in reality a universal consciousness is the source of all manifestations. Frontier scientists start telling us now exactly the same thing; there is only one substance the aether, the source of both the physical and the mental world.

Physical things only appear to be separate things; however they are all manifestations of one universal source, the aether that uses form and not substance to create the illusion of separateness. Since aether is also conscious energy, the essence of the universe is universal consciousness. Using the same reasoning about the illusionary nature of separate physical things, then our individual consciousness must be an illusion too. Individual consciousness is a fraction of the whole, a holographic part of universal consciousness.

Spiritual traditions called the illusionary nature of separateness maya and claimed that the true nature of the universe is Oneness. Hinduism tells us that everything is the manifestation of the One infinite Creator, Brahman. What we see as individual physical realities are therefore illusions that hide the Oneness of the universe from our view. Buddhism teaches the importance of rejecting the ego. Siddhartha Gautama, the original Buddha, while sitting under the Bo tree awakened to the universal consciousness realizing that it is our clinging on to our individual ego that is the source of all pain and suffering. Hinduism and Taoism also teach that the belief in a separate ego is false. The spiritual seeker finds his way to Brahman by travelling the path where he has to undo himself from his false belief in the reality of his ego. Belief in a separate ego is a misconception; it’s the barrier that separates the seeker from his Creator.

Many mainstream scientists discovered that coherence in the universe seems to be the rule and not the exception. Whereas on the surface our physical reality seems to consist of separate things, science is actually discovering the holistic nature of our universe. The universe cannot be fully understood if we isolate it into separate things. Ervin Laszlo’s A-field shows that everything on an informational level in the universe is eventually connected with everything else. Quantum science reveals that quantum entangled particles act in unison as if they are One. No matter how far they are separated in the universe nor how much time has passed; they keep their entangled relationship forever. Jacobo Grinberg-Zylberbaum’s experiments showed that individual minds can be connected and that stimuli administered to one person can show up in the EEG of another.

Scientists like Daniel Winter, David Wilcock, Amit Goswami and others believe that consciousness is not restricted to biological life forms per se. They believe that consciousness is an intrinsic property of the universe itself and it may manifest itself in many forms. All physical objects from subatomic particles to stars and planets are believed to be sentient life forms. Although this idea may seem absurd at first, indigenous tribes like the Native American Indians and the aboriginals have always told us about the sacredness of the land and its rocks. They believe that everything has a soul and that the land itself is alive! Ancient mythology is full of stars and planets that were attributed Divine like personalities, the Gods of the Heavens. We still believe that the ancients just had a very primitive understanding of reality and, being in awe of the cosmos, they attributed Divine properties to the stars. To their primeval minds it was the only way to understand reality. Maybe it is just us who have things upside down? Today 21st century scientists are saying that our universe as a whole is one sentient being that is evolving. James Lovelock was one of the first to postulate his Gaia hypotheses claiming that the Earth itself is a sentient being. These scientists are now saying that God is simply ‘All that is’. If God is ‘All that is’, His consciousness must also be in the land and its rocks, and the stars and planets of this universe.

Credit: Jan Wicherink, Souls of Distortion Awakening

Source: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter12.html

Edited February 18, 2008 by CSLewis

[Ely]

Phi and Love

Manfred Clynes, a former concert pianist studied the relation between music and emotion. During his many performances he learned that certain parts of his playing moved people more than others. He wanted to find out what it was in music, what pitches and notes touched people more than others. He embarked on a scientific career to find out.

He studied the wave shapes that were related to human emotions. The tender hugs and caressing between people seemed to follow predictable envelopes of pressure that were universal. His studies showed that they were not related to cultural, religious or racial backgrounds. All over the world people seem to follow the same recipe for creating emotions in waves.

Expressions of anger and hate where people push and jerk the other also follow predictable wave paths of pressure. Amazingly the emotion associated with love is Golden Mean related! If we’re hugging our loved one and we express the feeling of love, the maximum pressure in the hug is at exactly the Golden Mean ratio with respect to the total duration of the hug!

Relation between emotions and wave envelops.

(Courtesy of Dan Winter, www.soulinvitation.com)

Daniel Winter concluded from Manfred Clynes material that love must be Golden Mean related!

So it seems there is only one way the universal consciousness of the universe can create. It requires the loving non-destructive interference bending of light into fractal structures of geometries that allows the waves to stand and interfere eternally. The higher harmonics in the Golden Fibonacci sequence are all based on the longest Phi wave, the carrier wave. The cascade of electromagnetic waves all braid on this Golden wave with the longest wavelength, the long Phi wave or lo-Phi wave, the love-wave!

Is lo-Phi the origin of the word love?

So it seems only love creates and we can now appreciate that the loving waves that interfere with each other is what creates the material world. If the interfering waves did not maintain the Golden Mean ratio in wavelength, destructive interference would be the result and the material world could simply not exist. Isn’t it true that love can move mountains and that hate and anger destroys everything? We can see the same principle expressed in waves that lovingly construct the material world! When the waves hate each other, they compete and kill each other!

Light in a straight line is energy, loving light bent around a focal point creates matter and it’s the universal consciousness that keeps the waves centered! If the universal mind of the universe, God is the light and love of the world, like the Bible has always told us; we can now appreciate it from a scientific perspective!

Credit: Jan Wicherink, Souls of Distortion Awakening

Source: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter6.html

[lars123456789]

Okay, i don't understand this, everything should be one conciousness (hope i spelled the word right)? How would that be possible in understable terms for a normal uneducated person like me? I can't see how things should only be one universal conciousness, that would be on the basis of what i have read about the universe being created by the big bang (a singularity that suddenly started expanding because it got under too much pressure i think was the explanation, or else i'm just rambling again as usual), when we had the singularity that started expanding we would get millions of things much smaller than atoms that maybe had a preprogrammed conciousness, but if it has a conciousness wouldn't it then also have the abilities of experiences? or am i getting something wrong? But allright, then let us assume that my thesis would be right, if then had the abilities of gaining experiences wouldn't the greater conciousness then gradually get torn apart bit by bit based on the fact that they gather different experiences? You can take this thesis and put it up with humans. If we imagine that we are standing in a room with only white walls, four persons and a memory eraser that was used on us four minutes ago (Not meaning that it erased our entire memory, but just who we were and how we used to act in our normal enviroment, and also erased our experiences with different feelings). We start communicating with eachother as humans usually do and try to find out who we exactly are or finding a possibility of exiting the room (which is impossible because the fact i just make up here that the door blends in completely with the wall and is a slidedoor in the wall with a padlock on the other side). Okay, now we got tired of trying to find a way out, so we sit down and talk instead, about the white walls, and if there are possibilities that anything would be behind them. Lets assume the one talking would be me, and one of the persons listening would be you. Then you are either the one that agrees with me on it, or the one that disagrees on it (It's allready possible to see that we have our own individual conciousness now). If you disagree with me you would probably at some point get tired of listening to me and therefore start a fight, ignore me, or argue back. This would cause the other two persons to start thinking about your reaction and then we get two individual conciousness's again (How do you say multiple conciousness?), i think you have my general idea now...

just to conclude my own idea now on the subject here. Yes, we start out with a greater conciousness that is a part of us all, but it is gradually torn apart on behalf of our different experiences, and therefore we do not have a greater conciousness.

And just for honing the edges, there was also talk about the individual conciousness being an illusion. When talking about illusion and reality i allways get to this thought, if you make illusion reality, then you eliminate illusion.

I hope what i just wrote is understandable:P

[Ely]

The Urantia Revelation affirms the reality of physical-material evolution (page 730, following, and elsewhere), which goes from the simplest possible elements to the most complex compounds, together with the revealing of GOD and his Agents as the starters of it:

PAPER 65: THE OVERCONTROL OF EVOLUTION

65:0.1 Basic evolutionary material life—premind life—is the formulation of the Master Physical Controllers and the life-impartation ministry of the Seven Master Spirits in conjunction with the active ministration of the ordained Life Carriers. As a result of the co-ordinate function of this threefold creativity there develops organismal physical capacity for mind—material mechanisms for intelligent reaction to external environmental stimuli and, later on, to internal stimuli, influences taking origin in the organismal mind itself.

65:0.2 There are, then, three distinct levels of life production and evolution:

1. The physical-energy domain—mind-capacity production.

2. The mind ministry of the adjutant spirits—impinging upon spirit capacity.

3. The spirit endowment of mortal mind—culminating in Thought Adjuster bestowal.

65:0.3 The mechanical-nonteachable levels of organismal environmental response are the domains of the physical controllers. The adjutant mind-spirits activate and regulate the adaptative or nonmechanical-teachable types of mind—those response mechanisms of organisms capable of learning from experience. And as the spirit adjutants thus manipulate mind potentials, so do the Life Carriers exercise considerable discretionary control over the environmental aspects of evolutionary processes right up to the time of the appearance of human will—the ability to know God and the power of choosing to worship him.

65:0.4 It is the integrated functioning of the Life Carriers, the physical controllers, and the spirit adjutants that conditions the course of organic evolution on the inhabited worlds. And this is why evolution—on Urantia or elsewhere—is always purposeful and never accidental.

65:1. LIFE CARRIER FUNCTIONS

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Source: http://www.urantia-book.org/newbook/papers/p065.htm

The Urantia Papers, Urantia Revelation, or Urantia book can be read entirely in the following web sites (English being its original language):

Urantia Foundation web site

http://www.urantia-book.org/newbook/

[Ely]

Also: There are objective-real evidences for the authenticity and veracity of the Urantia Papers being what their invisible authors claim it to be --a divine revelation.

From Ernest P. Moyer´s fascinating book, The Birth of a Divine Revelation, demonstrating the divinity of the Urantia Revelation [http://www.world-destiny.org/josherr.html] --

Consider how Pearson attempted to rationalize the statement on page P.657 - §5.

“The planets nearest the sun were the first to have their revolutions slowed down by tidal friction. Such gravitational influences also contribute to the stabilization of planetary orbits while acting as a brake on the rate of planetary-axial revolution, causing a planet to revolve ever slower until axial revolution ceases, leaving one hemisphere of the planet always turned toward the sun or larger body, as is illustrated by the planet Mercury and by the moon, which always turns the same face toward Urantia.”

Pearson stated:

“The real problem seems to be a misreading of this complicated paragraph. It expresses two ideas in two interrelated sentences. The first sentence introduces the main topic which is planets slowing down by tidal friction. The second is a compound-complex one of parallel construction with several dependent clauses explaining what eventually happens to a planet affected by tidal friction. In it we have two ideas and two examples of those ideas; planets revolving ever slower (Mercury) until axial revolution ceases (the moon). It is easy to see how confusion comes from a sentence so structured with multiple dependent clauses.”

I was surprised that Pearson would engage in this kind of rationalization.

Even a high school astronomy student knows that these statements are not correct. The moon continues to rotate on its axis, with one rotation per revolution, giving us the same face at all times. If the statement about Mercury rotation had been correct it also would rotate on its axis with one rotation per revolution. The statement that they cease rotation is an error which would appeal only to ignorant people.

If we back up into the complicated sentence we find that gravitational braking causes “a planet to revolve ever slower until axial revolution ceases, leaving one hemisphere of the planet always turned toward the sun or larger body.”

When a planet leaves one hemisphere always turned toward the sun, it continues to rotate on its axis.

No amount of rationalization can alter that error.

The question then before us is how that childish error got into the Papers. The Revelators would not have engaged in such childish foolishness.

For your information, the first part of the paragraph is “good” revelation. “The planets nearest the sun were the first to have their revolutions slowed down by tidal friction. Such gravitational influences also contribute to the stabilization of planetary orbits while acting as a brake on the rate of planetary-axial revolution. . .” is a sound statement.

Unknown at the time of the Revelation was the behavior of the planets after this “slowing down” of their axial revolutions, and “stabilization” in their orbits. We now know that they go into synchronous motions, with the rotations related to the revolutions around the sun.

Source:

http://www.world-destiny.org/tocp.htm

http://www.world-destiny.org/birth/birthtoc.htm (PDF)

Luis

Edited February 18, 2008 by CSLewis

[jaylemurph]

This thread needs to go in one of the Spirituality/Religion Fora, not here.

(Bites his tongues and steers away from the first thirty-seven thousand jokes about the Urantia.)

--Jaylemurph

[Tairon]

Cliffs ?

[Ozi]

Hmm interesting, seems like your on to something here, what i find interesting is that, you have had very little response from Skeptics. LOl. Cmon guys wer r u, this guys has some good info here, not that i agree with it all, but it does sound similar to what i have been goin on about in the past, That everything around us is a perception from a universal source, the true physical nature of matter, is unkown to us. This stuff pretty much backs that up.

He has stuff from ancient hindu scriptures, which talk about this, as do other divine books to an extent. The hindu scriptures also talk about other scientific phenomena too.

Keep posting Lewis.

[muddpuppy]

Heer's some related literature... http://reluctant-messenger.com/

[Mekorig]

Whiiiii!!!!! More new age, UFO related, spiritual tanted mumbo jumbo to read and laugh!!!!

[Ozi]

Whiiiii!!!!! More new age, UFO related, spiritual tanted mumbo jumbo to read and laugh!!!!

Typical skepto, no real evidence provided for opinion, just garbage spoken instead. LOl

[TooFarGone]

Typical skepto, no real evidence provided for opinion, just garbage spoken instead. LOl

When the original evidence is so rediculous, it's rather redundant to point out the flaws.

[Mekorig]

Like your irrefutable piece of proof that Islam is THE WAY of life and Mohammed is the prophet, and all should be muslim, and that if we kill all the lawyers in the world we will be all brothers in peace? (last part is a Simpson joke)

Keep trying Ozi...

[Ozi]

Heer's some related literature... http://reluctant-messenger.com/

im afraid that site is slightly full of it, there is some good stuff in there. But just give you an example of their mistakes, they claim that there are 3 religion which believe in ressurection, judaism, christianity, and Sufism. The last one is not even a religion, is a deviant sect of Islam, to mention it as a whole religion and not give any attention to islam, shows me they have very little religious knowledge as whole, and what they know is based on the christain religions and hinduism etc, therefore they took a sect out of islam which closely resembles their prejudice and counted it as a whole religion. Lol. Mistake one.

Going a bit further in to the articles there etc, they tend to waffle a lot, and odd time refer to something scientific to confuse the reader and then they waffle on again about their opinions. The article orignally posted was interesting, it had scientific substance to it, but the site you refer to hardly does. Dont take it the wrong way, its just my opinion, if someone cannot get the Islam in there is a religion and instead relate to sufism, this shows a lack of knowledge, because if they were credible, they would have to include islam, because its fastest growing religion in the world and is second to christianity, how can any credible observer, miss it out, and only refer to a small sect of Islam.

[Ozi]

When the original evidence is so rediculous, it's rather redundant to point out the flaws.

WEll all i said was it was interesting, but i guarentee i can prove to you that world you live in, is a perception and everythign in it too. Then what, is it not similar to the article posted, that everything is connected and manifests due to a universal source etc. what is your proof against it, non. Just opinion, you can do no more.

Like your irrefutable piece of proof that Islam is THE WAY of life and Mohammed is the prophet, and all should be muslim, and that if we kill all the lawyers in the world we will be all brothers in peace? (last part is a Simpson joke)

Keep trying Ozi...

Islam is the way and so is muhammeds teachings and life. This is why, islam is fastest growing religion in the west, east, europe infact the whole world. When i provide islamic evidence most of you come up with old allegations long answered, and then you alleged just people, dont even read the rebuttals, and i know why, because it often hurts to be wrong, and corrected all the time. Thats what i do people who dont have any idea about islam, besided what they are told, hear, see on TV etc. When you study something, you go to its source material, but most of you do the opposite, you go those who have allegations about islam, and dont actually study it yourself. For example, if i want to talk about the bible objectively, then i ought to study it first, should i not, or should i goto a muslim for his point of view onthe bible, i could do the latter, but to leave it there is rather bias, this is what you guys do. And you call yourself just. Yeh right.

By the way i love the simpson too.

[SunDogDayze]

WEll all i said was it was interesting, but i guarentee i can prove to you that world you live in, is a perception and everythign in it too. Then what, is it not similar to the article posted, that everything is connected and manifests due to a universal source etc. what is your proof against it, non. Just opinion, you can do no more.

Islam is the way and so is muhammeds teachings and life. This is why, islam is fastest growing religion in the west, east, europe infact the whole world. When i provide islamic evidence most of you come up with old allegations long answered, and then you alleged just people, dont even read the rebuttals, and i know why, because it often hurts to be wrong, and corrected all the time. Thats what i do people who dont have any idea about islam, besided what they are told, hear, see on TV etc. When you study something, you go to its source material, but most of you do the opposite, you go those who have allegations about islam, and dont actually study it yourself. For example, if i want to talk about the bible objectively, then i ought to study it first, should i not, or should i goto a muslim for his point of view onthe bible, i could do the latter, but to leave it there is rather bias, this is what you guys do. And you call yourself just. Yeh right.

By the way i love the simpson too.

Here we go again.

Ozi, please respect the forum rules of NOT PUSHING YOUR RELIGION DOWN OTHER'S THROATS! We are so tired of you using every thread to advertise your beliefs. What, are you Muhamed's PR person? Not enough people where you live to preach to, you felt you had to go online with it?

The skeptics (which is SUCH a relative term) didn't flock to this thread because we can read, and comprehend, and we understood that the 'proof' the OP was talking about was nothing more than another spiritual writing. That's all the proof anyone has ever come up with for a higher being, and that is simply not proof. We didn't want to point out the obvious again.

I do call myself just. I have studied most major religions, including yours, and I have NOT ONE TIME found anything about any of them, including yours, that qualifies as enough evidence for me to partake in. Stop pretending that you are so much more highly educated and cultures about most religions. You sound like you have been spoon fed all these handy 'facts' and 'proof' by others of your religion, who spend a lot of time coming up with counter arguments to make your religion sound special.

As far as the OP, although it is very interesting, the Urantia papers have not been considered 'proof' by most people. It is just another bunch of words on paper claiming to be the only correct version of the story of a higher being.

[Beckys_Mom]

Also: There are objective-real evidences for the authenticity and veracity of the Urantia Papers being what their invisible authors claim it to be --a divine revelation.

From Ernest P. Moyer´s fascinating book, The Birth of a Divine Revelation, demonstrating the divinity of the Urantia Revelation [http://www.world-destiny.org/josherr.html] --

Source:

http://www.world-destiny.org/tocp.htm

http://www.world-destiny.org/birth/birthtoc.htm (PDF)

Luis

I think all of this is garbage and the fact you have just spammed the thread...you havent reponded to anyone...just spam and more SPAM...you joined UM for this purpose...going on your post count, you made 6 posts and all in here by the looks of it

you cannot prove God exists...no one can...FACT

Edited February 18, 2008 by Beckys_Mom

[Bender.]

Lmfao.

[Cradle of Fish]

Typical skepto, no real evidence provided for opinion, just garbage spoken instead. LOl

Typical believo, no real evidence provided for opinion, just garbage spoken instead. LOl.

[Beckys_Mom]

Here we go again.

Ozi, please respect the forum rules of NOT PUSHING YOUR RELIGION DOWN OTHER'S THROATS! We are so tired of you using every thread to advertise your beliefs. What, are you Muhamed's PR person? Not enough people where you live to preach to, you felt you had to go online with it?

you mean this rule....---> Attempts to convert other members to your own religion are not permitted on the forum. This board is about letting people decide for themselves what to believe and it is inapropriate for anyone to be trying to influence members in that regard. Similarly, criticising or condemning members for their religious beliefs is disallowed.

What, are you Muhamed's PR person? Not enough people where you live to preach to, you felt you had to go online with it?

Sorry but I read this and laughed lol

Look just report the spam and the attempts to convert..I saw the OP and yes I agree with you...I know there is NO WAY on earth anyone can prove God exists...it is IMPOSSIBLE

[Cradle of Fish]

Islam is the way and so is muhammeds teachings and life. This is why, islam is fastest growing religion in the west, east, europe infact the whole world. When i provide islamic evidence most of you come up with old allegations long answered, and then you alleged just people, dont even read the rebuttals, and i know why, because it often hurts to be wrong, and corrected all the time. Thats what i do people who dont have any idea about islam, besided what they are told, hear, see on TV etc. When you study something, you go to its source material, but most of you do the opposite, you go those who have allegations about islam, and dont actually study it yourself. For example, if i want to talk about the bible objectively, then i ought to study it first, should i not, or should i goto a muslim for his point of view onthe bible, i could do the latter, but to leave it there is rather bias, this is what you guys do. And you call yourself just. Yeh right.

By the way i love the simpson too.

Actually unbelief is the fastest growing in the west. Islam is the fastest growing in Europe yes, but it's not growing anywhere near as fast as Christianity in China, I've read that at the peak it was something like 30,000 converts a day, but I could be wrong.

[Ozi]

Here we go again.

Ozi, please respect the forum rules of NOT PUSHING YOUR RELIGION DOWN OTHER'S THROATS! We are so tired of you using every thread to advertise your beliefs. What, are you Muhamed's PR person? Not enough people where you live to preach to, you felt you had to go online with it?

The skeptics (which is SUCH a relative term) didn't flock to this thread because we can read, and comprehend, and we understood that the 'proof' the OP was talking about was nothing more than another spiritual writing. That's all the proof anyone has ever come up with for a higher being, and that is simply not proof. We didn't want to point out the obvious again.

I do call myself just. I have studied most major religions, including yours, and I have NOT ONE TIME found anything about any of them, including yours, that qualifies as enough evidence for me to partake in. Stop pretending that you are so much more highly educated and cultures about most religions. You sound like you have been spoon fed all these handy 'facts' and 'proof' by others of your religion, who spend a lot of time coming up with counter arguments to make your religion sound special.

As far as the OP, although it is very interesting, the Urantia papers have not been considered 'proof' by most people. It is just another bunch of words on paper claiming to be the only correct version of the story of a higher being.

Ok i will, here we go again. You light a match, who is seing the the fire, and how do you see it. Now, the fire is light, the light hits our eyes, and through some processes you are all aware of, the image is then projected upside down at the back of the retina. then the nerves send electrical signal to the brain, which are interpreted by the brain in total darkness and isolation from light, it then tells you what you are seeing is a match on fire. So the question is, is it really, how can you be so sure. The brain is in total isolation, from light, sound, touch and smell, yet in total isolation it informs us of what we are seeing, touching, smelling, etc. In total isolation remember, its not open to the elements. So everything you see, feel, touch, smell is a perceptions projected by th brain in isolation, who is this perception being projected to and from where does the perception come from, which is universal, hence we all see things in a similar light. Now someone prove to me that what i have just said is in correct, if you cant, you need to find out who is the perciever of the perception and who is projecting it, yes like matrix, only this time neo cant do nothing. LOL.

The above is proof of god and his existence, and it shows that only he is absolute, as everything else is an illusion, a perception, even your beloved matter, thats for the evolutionists outthere.

Sunny, you worried, i dont ram islam down people throats, i could say that you guys ram down skeptism in the same way, would that be right. The fact you think i am, show me that your worried and running out of answeres.

you mean this rule....---> Attempts to convert other members to your own religion are not permitted on the forum. This board is about letting people decide for themselves what to believe and it is inapropriate for anyone to be trying to influence members in that regard. Similarly, criticising or condemning members for their religious beliefs is disallowed.

Sorry but I read this and laughed lol

Look just report the spam and the attempts to convert..I saw the OP and yes I agree with you...I know there is NO WAY on earth anyone can prove God exists...it is IMPOSSIBLE

i just have read it and weep, well i dont expect much from you infact. dont read it, it will only confuse you.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Ozi

[Ozi]

Actually unbelief is the fastest growing in the west. Islam is the fastest growing in Europe yes, but it's not growing anywhere near as fast as Christianity in China, I've read that at the peak it was something like 30,000 converts a day, but I could be wrong.

LOl. Its fastest growing in america, europe and the rest of the world, too, but mainly in the west, because large part of the east are already muslims. Just to give you an idea, before 9-11 american converted to islam would number about 20-25k a day, after 9-11 it went up to the 40k mark. Today, its growing faster than any other religion, even with all the negative unjustified media, more people turn to it, and out of those who do convert in the west, two thirds are women, who allegedly in islam are subjigated. LOL.

[Beckys_Mom]

Major Religions of the World

Ranked by Number of Adherents

(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)

1.Christianity: 2.1 billion

2. Islam: 1.5 billion

3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

4. Hinduism: 900 million

5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

6.Buddhism: 376 million

7. primal-indigenous: 300 million

8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

9. Sikhism: 23 million

10. Juche: 19 million

11. Spiritism: 15 million

12.Judaism: 14 million

13. Baha'i: 7 million

14. Jainism: 4.2 million

15.Shinto: 4 million

16. Cao Dai: 4 million

17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

18. Tenrikyo: 2 million

19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million

20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

22. Scientology: 500 thousand

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html <--check it out...............looks to me that no matter what site you look at - Christianity is the biggest growing religion by a LONG SHOT

How about a nice pie...............chart?? LOL

Major religious groups

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Major religious groups as a percentage of the world population in 2005 (Encyclopaedia Britannica). In summary, religious adherence of the world's population is as follows: "Abrahamic": 53.5%, "Indian": 19.7%, irreligious: 14.3%, "Far Eastern": 6.5%, tribal religions: 4.0%, new religious movements: 2.0%.

Predominant sects and religions of the world, by state (including non-religious)

Predominant religions of the world, mapped by state (excluding non-religious

major groups or world religions: the vast majority of religious and spiritual adherents follow one of Christianity (33% of world population), Islam (20%), Hinduism (13%), Chinese folk religion (6%) or Buddhism (5%).

Figures on this page were last updated August 9, 2007

# Religion Number of Adherents Remarks[2]

1 Christianity 2.1 billion Has the most followers and most widespread presence of all well-recognized religions. Predominant religion in Europe, the Americas, Southern Africa, Oceania, and the Philippines.

2 Islam 1.61 billion A widespread religion with many countries majority Muslim, particularly in the Middle East, South Asia, Maritime Southeast Asia, Central Asia, North Africa, West Africa and some parts of Eastern Europe.

3 Hinduism 850 million - 1 billion Umbrella term for various Hindu denominations forming the majority in India, Nepal, North Eastern province of Sri Lanka, and the Bali & Java sub-province of Indonesia, parts of Latin America, Eastern Africa, Australia, USA and UK.

4 Buddhism 350 million Largely in East Asia and the Mainland Southeast Asia, and small parts of South Asia and Russia.

5 Sikhism 25 million Mostly in the Indian Punjab; also large numbers in other parts of India and the United Kingdom, the USA, Canada, Malaysia and Southeast Asia, Germany and East Africa [2].

6 Judaism 15 million A widespread religion with a majority in Israel; large populations in North America, Western Europe, and South America.

7 Bahá'í Faith 6.1 million Youngest of the group of 10, second most widely dispersed religion after Christianity; fastest growing (percentage) of top 10.

8 Confucianism 5.3 million Mostly in China proper; and in Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam.

9 Jainism 4.9 million Mostly in India.

10 Shinto 2.8 million Mostly in (and formerly the state religion of) Japan.

Yes again another site still shows how CHRISTIANITY is not just the biggest religion but seems to have more coverage!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups