Does Our Brain/Environment Create God?

[HAJiME]

then why do I do better on the night shift ?

Because you're backwards.

In all seriousness, I watched a BBC documentary (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hxtwc) about body clocks. Some people take in too much light and this cocks up our body clock. Individuals who are more awake at night pobably do to not get enough light durig the day and vica versa.

Interesting documentary, well worth a watch.

Edited March 28, 2009 by HAJiME

[Lt_Ripley]

Because you're backwards.

In all seriousness, I watched a BBC documentary (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hxtwc) about body clocks. Some people take in too much light and this cocks up our body clock. Individuals who are more awake at night pobably do to not get enough light durig the day and vica versa.

Interesting documentary, well worth a watch.

true ... they have me on vit D . I don't get alot of sun as well , it hurts my eyes ( from meds.)

[greggK]

Haj,

Backwards is not the word. What you and the BBC are trying to think of and explain has to do with the production of 5-HT from the pineal gland and its subsequent conversion to Serotonin and the re-uptake of that Serotonin to be converted into Melatonin to stop certain body processes and open up the light show in the visual cortex and the Cerebellum. Now, what sees when you dream is a different story.

The pineal gland is outside of the brain and it contains as many rods and cones as both the eyes do. It is filled with a liquid just like the eyes and it sees just like the eyes. It 'looks' toward the cerebellum which is your 'sense' headquarters.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Epithalamus.png

[HAJiME]

"Because your backawards" was a joke.

EDIT: you're*

Edited March 28, 2009 by HAJiME

[Lt_Ripley]

Haj,

Backwards is not the word. What you and the BBC are trying to think of and explain has to do with the production of 5-HT from the pineal gland and its subsequent conversion to Serotonin and the re-uptake of that Serotonin to be converted into Melatonin to stop certain body processes and open up the light show in the visual cortex and the Cerebellum. Now, what sees when you dream is a different story.

The pineal gland is outside of the brain and it contains as many rods and cones as both the eyes do. It is filled with a liquid just like the eyes and it sees just like the eyes. It 'looks' toward the cerebellum which is your 'sense' headquarters.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Epithalamus.png

the brain -

Edited March 28, 2009 by Lt_Ripley

[greggK]

the brain -

Yes, but the pineal gland is outside of the blood-brain barrier and it is the first gland to receive the hormonal charge from the pituitary gland, the master gland. The physical eyes are the eyes of the brain while the pineal gland is the eye of the body.

[Lt_Ripley]

Yes, but the pineal gland is outside of the blood-brain barrier and it is the first gland to receive the hormonal charge from the pituitary gland, the master gland. The physical eyes are the eyes of the brain while the pineal gland is the eye of the body.

outside the blood barrier ?? no.

Blood supply is from the posterior choroid arteries. eye of the body ?? I like the movie From Beyond .... but it isn't science. the Pineal gland is not the third eye.

After a short overview of the history of our knowledge of the pineal gland, its anatomy and its function, this work is primarily devoted to the relationships of the pineal gland to the nerve structures which delineate the pineal region. The complex surrounding blood vessels located in the quadrigeminal cistern are described with a special focus on the numerous venous trunks. Finally, the pineal blood supply is studied in three steps: (1) The arterial supply obtained through several groups of pineal arteries stemming mainly from the medial posterior choroidal arteries; (2) The venous drainage by the lateral pineal veins flowing, in most cases, into the cerebral vein of Galen; (3) The intrapineal vascular architecture with specific features concerning the central part of the gland highly vascularized by large sinusoid capillaries and its peripheral part poorly vascularized by small and fine blood vessels.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11149239

as for the pineal gland light-transducing ? ( or your so called 3rd eye )

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathp...ndo/pineal.html

I do happen to know a wee bit about the vascular system of the brain. fyi - the Basilar artery also sends blood to the pineal. have a couple of surgeries on the area and you brush up real fast on what is where and what it does.

Edited March 30, 2009 by Lt_Ripley

[greggK]

There is no blood in the brain. Unlike much of the rest of the brain, the pineal gland is not isolated from the body by the blood-brain barrier system. (^ Pritchard, Thomas C.; Alloway, Kevin Douglas (1999) (Google books preview). Medical Neuroscience. Hayes Barton Press. pp. 76-77. ISBN 1889325295. http://books.google.com/books?id=m7Y80PcFH...tcover#PPA76,M1. Retrieved on 2009-02-08.)

Ripley, you have one diagram of a human brain and one photo of a horse brain.

What jockey has written that article? There is so much left out you could call it false information.

Of course Melatonin is made from Serotonin, but Serotonin is made from 5-Hydroxytrypophan which is made from the amino acid l-tryptophan and none of those substances are produced in the body.

You have trouble sleeping, eat a can of mushrooms.

[Lt_Ripley]

There is no blood in the brain. Unlike much of the rest of the brain, the pineal gland is not isolated from the body by the blood-brain barrier system. (^ Pritchard, Thomas C.; Alloway, Kevin Douglas (1999) (Google books preview). Medical Neuroscience. Hayes Barton Press. pp. 76-77. ISBN 1889325295. http://books.google.com/books?id=m7Y80PcFH...tcover#PPA76,M1. Retrieved on 2009-02-08.)

Ripley, you have one diagram of a human brain and one photo of a horse brain.

What jockey has written that article? There is so much left out you could call it false information.

Of course Melatonin is made from Serotonin, but Serotonin is made from 5-Hydroxytrypophan which is made from the amino acid l-tryptophan and none of those substances are produced in the body.

You have trouble sleeping, eat a can of mushrooms.

there's no blood in the brain ? are you crazy ???

I guess than the work done on my basilar artery , which feeds the back of the brain with blood , is a figment of my and my neurosurgeons imagination ?? They occluded my vetebrals inorder to reduce an inoperable aneurysm........ after doing so I had a stroke. the blood supply closed off resulted in a stoke.. now if there is no blood feeding the brain a stroke wouldn't have happened.

Circle of Willis

The Vertebral and Internal Carotid Arteries provide blood to the brain. These arteries give off branches that form a circle in the region of the pituitary gland. If the other two arteries are blocked, the blood vessels in the Circle of Willis provide an alternate way to feed blood to the brain.

[eight bits]

I think what Gregg meant is that there is no blood in the neural tissue of the brain, except in pathological cases. There is plenty of blood supply to the brain, and lots of small molecules (mostly) make it from the blood into contact with the neural tissue. Interruption of the blood supply to the brain is serious, as your own misadventure illustrates. Glad you're still with us.

Gregg wasn't quite so accurate about the pineal rods and cones. Not in mammals, anyway, not in us.

And the third eye? Well, that's the beauty part of things like that, you can put them anywhere you want them. So that the little girl-snake who slithers up and down the channel of our spines can find them. Show me the snake, then I'll worry about where the third eye really is.

[Lt_Ripley]

I think what Gregg meant is that there is no blood in the neural tissue of the brain, except in pathological cases. There is plenty of blood supply to the brain, and lots of small molecules (mostly) make it from the blood into contact with the neural tissue. Interruption of the blood supply to the brain is serious, as your own misadventure illustrates. Glad you're still with us.

Gregg wasn't quite so accurate about the pineal rods and cones. Not in mammals, anyway, not in us.

And the third eye? Well, that's the beauty part of things like that, you can put them anywhere you want them. So that the little girl-snake who slithers up and down the channel of our spines can find them. Show me the snake, then I'll worry about where the third eye really is.

blood delivers chemicals to and from the brain. otherwise pain relievers wouldn't have any effect. neural tissue relies on the blood supply.

to say there is no blood in neural tissue one can also say there is no blood in any tissue of the body , be it muscle or organ as all blood does is transfer chemicals. The spleen ? more or less cleanses the blood of toxins as does the liver and lymphatic system.

[eight bits]

neural tissue relies on the blood supply

Absolutely, Lieutenant. But the neural tissue has physical arrangements to sort out the good things from the bad things that are sloshing around in the bloodstream. It never touches the nasty stuff itself. Cut off the blood supply, and the physical arrangements have nothing to sort out. No good things get sent along to the neural tissue when that happens.

Seriously, Lieu, I wouldn't kid you about a thing like that. "Blood brain barrier" is the searchable term.

[Lt_Ripley]

Absolutely, Lieutenant. But the neural tissue has physical arrangements to sort out the good things from the bad things that are sloshing around in the bloodstream. It never touches the nasty stuff itself. Cut off the blood supply, and the physical arrangements have nothing to sort out. No good things get sent along to the neural tissue when that happens.

Seriously, Lieu, I wouldn't kid you about a thing like that. "Blood brain barrier" is the searchable term.

so we're speaking about a filter system

[greggK]

The only thing that is in the brain is plasma, no blood cells. I'll try to explain what I mean by rods and cones in the pineal gland.

That is inside the pineal gland. No rods and cones, but pinealocytes and astrocytes. The Primitive vertebrates had two pair of eyes. Two for the body and two for the brain. The two for the body disappeared and the dorsal eye formed the Pineal gland.

The pinealocytes of mammals evolved from the photoreceptor cells of the pineal organ of primitive vertebrates. In the course of their evolution from light sensitive elements to endocrine cells, the region of the cell, specialised for photoreception was lost, together with the sensory nerves connecting it to other regions of the brain. Transient similarities exist between pinealocytes and retinal photoreceptors in neonatal rats. http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?jour...;action=article

But, that gets into my belief of experimentation and not evolution.

[The Worlds Wolf]

lol went from religious views to nuerologics. funny indeed. i dont think im going to post on this since i dont know much about the brain (even though mine still needs some tuning XD)

[greggK]

lol went from religious views to nuerologics. funny indeed. i dont think im going to post on this since i dont know much about the brain (even though mine still needs some tuning XD)

Actually, the religious part of it is, you create your own world, but you are not God. I tried not to hijack the thread, I was just answering a question. God created everything you can use to create your own world. He created you and everything in your environment and allowed you to become like Him using His created environment.

And if you know anything about the person who started this thread, she uses neurologics. And I don't know that religion and neroscience is separate.

[=Jak=]

But, that gets into my belief of experimentation and not evolution.

Hope for the evolution.

You are very much near to the topic, When we find the hidden glands/truth/gd... It is not dead... but need to pumb certain chemical or blood to initiate the process. When you study about brain... it is very much similar to the convex and concave lens and reflection... most of the theory will be confusing...

Don't you think it is dangerous to find a medicene to initiate those glands...

[Lt_Ripley]

Actually, the religious part of it is, you create your own world, but you are not God. I tried not to hijack the thread, I was just answering a question. God created everything you can use to create your own world. He created you and everything in your environment and allowed you to become like Him using His created environment.

And if you know anything about the person who started this thread, she uses neurologics. And I don't know that religion and neroscience is separate.

but we can prove neurology... there is no proof of God.. just faith.

[Agent. Mulder]

Actually, the religious part of it is, you create your own world, but you are not God. I tried not to hijack the thread, I was just answering a question. God created everything you can use to create your own world. He created you and everything in your environment and allowed you to become like Him using His created environment. And if you know anything about the person who started this thread, she uses neurologics. And I don't know that religion and neroscience is separate.

according to someones belief or faith, which is fine. thats all it is.

but its not even close to being fact, where as sicence is fact.

Edited April 21, 2009 by Agent. Mulder

[greggK]

Yeah, I keep using the unidentified word God. It is so easy and it sounds just so. . . so . . . 'identifiable,' like it's your father; no pun intended.

[Brain]

Excellent post. Interesting, though, that my experience was free of religion - noting my non-religious background - whereas yours not only gave you the sense of the divine, it led you to absorbing yourself in religion. Your background, though, would seem to have impressed all the necessary imagery already into your young mind and it's probable that what you experienced was, in part, a product of your social environment.

http://www.brainhealthandpuzzles.com/brain_parts.html

[InnerSpace]

Excellent post. Interesting, though, that my experience was free of religion - noting my non-religious background - whereas yours not only gave you the sense of the divine, it led you to absorbing yourself in religion.

Please share your experience, I'm intrigued. You are certainly not alone.

Your background, though, would seem to have impressed all the necessary imagery already into your young mind and it's probable that what you experienced was, in part, a product of your social environment.

http://www.brainhealthandpuzzles.com/brain_parts.html

Thanks for posting the link...it's excellent information, and welcome to UM.

I'm not sure if you have read through this thread, but I think it's been pretty much determined that our experiences are 'also' very much a product of our 'social' environment, but certainly, as has been shown in this thread...there's more to it, which is why I am interested in hearing your experience.

The information in this thread is dated now, and there is so much more yet to be shared. I'm not sure I want to continue posting the latest cutting-edge data in this thread.

However, again...I would like to hear about your experience(s), if you care to share.

Cheers.

[Lt_Ripley]

Please share your experience, I'm intrigued. You are certainly not alone.

Thanks for posting the link...it's excellent information, and welcome to UM.

I'm not sure if you have read through this thread, but I think it's been pretty much determined that our experiences are 'also' very much a product of our 'social' environment, but certainly, as has been shown in this thread...there's more to it, which is why I am interested in hearing your experience.

The information in this thread is dated now, and there is so much more yet to be shared. I'm not sure I want to continue posting the latest cutting-edge data in this thread.

However, again...I would like to hear about your experience(s), if you care to share.

Cheers.

even if one , living in the US , thinks they are non religious... they would be surprised to see how much they are subconsciously influenced by it. it permeates our society to the point of unnoticeable. How many can drive down a busy street and not notice a church ? most. or a cross ? See it on TV even if just flipping through the channels ? yet our brain picks it up.

no one lives in a vacuum.

Edited July 29, 2009 by Lt_Ripley

[InnerSpace]

even if one , living in the US , thinks they are non religious... they would be surprised to see how much they are subconsciously influenced by it. it permeates our society to the point of unnoticeable. How many can drive down a busy street and not notice a church ? most. or a cross ? See it on TV even if just flipping through the channels ? yet our brain picks it up.

no one lives in a vacuum.

Great point...just seeing a picture on the wall of Jesus...and it's burned in your memory forever...unless your brain is damaged and that area is destroyed.

Wished I could hang around today and discuss this further, but time does not permit right now.

Cheers.

[greggK]

What I think is people are mislead from the beginning because they do not know the structure of the brain and what would occur if there was blood in it! Everybody's mind picture of the brain is this ball of convoluted tubes, like one long tube. IT IS NOT! You picture your intestines. Thirty feet of tube that the food goes through and you think, well, that is your brain. It might be for somebody whose brain is their stomach, but it is in no way the brain.

Crack open a head and you'll get? Not blood, but plasma; the clear liquid that carries the blood. All of the structures in the brain are suspended in plasma. Plasma gives you charisma.