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Does Our Brain/Environment Create God?

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Marietta

What I do know is there might be some Mayan descendants still here, but I doubt it; ask them and they will tell you what happened. The Mayan civilization was started around 4609 years ago. What is amazing about that civilization is the pyramids.

This statement is contradictory. What I "DO KNOW" is there "MIGHT BE". You start of as if presenting fact and then present the possibility that it could be possible.

Just and observation on my part. :)

Omni Love, Marietta

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Marietta

how did they disapear? people go missing all the time. what examples do you have of this with the maya?

Entire populations of people don't go missing all the time. What examples do you have of this taking place all the time?

The example of the mayan's is that they have only found the remains (grave) of one Mayan.

Omni Love, Marietta

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greggK

I know that you might find a problem with that statement, but I could be wrong.

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Agent. Mulder
Case one would be my nephew who at the age of two asked his father if he could use his computer. At the time the computers were in DOS, which meant that you had to read and understand computers in order to operate one. His father told him that he needed to learn how to read in order to use the computer. The next morning his father was sitting at the kitchen table reading the paper and his son told him that he could read and wanted to get on the computer. He proceeded to climb in his fathers lap and read the front page of the news paper.

well, other than just taking your word on it, it appears the childs a fast learner and knows how to read. whats your explanation?

Case two, my daughter worked in a daycare center with two year olds and had a chart on the wall with all the kids names on it, where she daily made comments about the progress of the kids and shared it monthly with the parents. One of the kids stood up close to the chart and started reading it out loud. That night he read a book to his parents and the next morning with amazement they asked my daughter what type of method she used to teach a two year old how to read. She said that she hadn't taught him anything and thought that the parents had taught him.

again, kids learning to read at a young age. whats your explanation?

YouTube - Wendy Vo,child prodigy of music and language #1.

Blind 5 Year-Old Pianist Next Mozart?

one sense goes, the others increase, or so people say. whats your explanation?

As for time and space being an illusion. I learned this from my studies in Quantum physics and the my studies in Keylontic Science.

All that exists is energy and the only time energy takes on the form of a particle is when it is viewed/or thought about.

.....thats not a science.

i fail to see how that would be encorporated with a real science like quantum physics. its religious.

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Marietta
.....thats not a science.

i fail to see how that would be encorporated with a real science like quantum physics. its religious.

Kids picking up a book without being taught isn't simply kids learning to read. How many two year olds do you know that can read, even if you work with them every day teaching them?

I don't mean to sound rude, but you shouldn't make judgment about things you apparently know little or nothing about, it makes you sound ignornat, which I'm sure you are not. Keylontic Science is "NOT" a religion.

Omni Love, Marietta

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Agent. Mulder
Kids picking up a book without being taught isn't simply kids learning to read. How many two year olds do you know that can read, even if you work with them every day teaching them?

I don't mean to sound rude, but you shouldn't make judgment about things you apparently know little or nothing about, it makes you sound ignornat, which I'm sure you are not. Keylontic Science is "NOT" a religion.

Omni Love, Marietta

im not making any judgments about what i know little about. im making judgments on what you have given me. if thats the case, the blame falls on you for explaining it that way. i have made a hypothesis on the little info presented to me. and im still waiting for your conclusions.

and when it deals with science and spiritual and creation, and a source Or god. it sure seems that way. as its not a science.

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greggK

Are we going to make gods out of these children or does the possibility of them using their environment the way they do make them a god? ThaT is the question.

By the way, what are the 'Whirling Dervishes,' Keylontically speaking?

Yes, I see where the teachings of the Keylontic Sciences come in and that may answer how the massive stones were moved in building the pyramids and exposes the lie of the Egyptians building them using slave labor, but there is nothing we can 'do' with that knowledge. Cymatics is another Keylontic subject, but we do not want another worldwide flood from the God-source because stupidity would abound. We cannot regain the power to use the Keylontic sciences no matter how of our DNA is activated.

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InnerSpace
Thank you for the welcome. Interesting stuff you have posted. What's your take on people who have not had head trauma and see etheric energy, other dimensions and communicate with off planet beings?

I have done a fair amount of research in this area and read a good bit in lieu of personal curiosity, however...what I do know is that there are way to many other variables to consider before assumptions can be made that we can communicate with off planet beings. Our brain has a pharmacy within it. DMT is naturally produced by an enzyme in the human body as well as those of other mammals. It is also found in certain plants grown in tropical and sub-tropical regions. What makes DMT interesting is that DMT is a hallucigenic. It is the key ingredient in the drink ayahuasca, which is used by shamans and religious leaders in South America and Africa.

There has been some research done in regards to raised levels of DMT at the University of New Mexico under Dr. Rick Strassman in 1998. He found that some subjects had experienced meeting "helpers" which ranged from everything from >>> clowns, reptiles, mantises, bees, spiders, cacti, gnomes, and stick figures. Some experienced meeting aliens and believed that they were abducted and probed by these aliens. Since 1998 there has been little research done as it was felt that DMT was too psychotropic to use on human subjects.

Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), also known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and potent psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined. Structurally, it is analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin and other psychedelic tryptamines such as 5-MeO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT. DMT is created in small amounts by the human body during normal metabolismby the enzyme tryptamine-N-methyltransferase. Many cultures, indigenous and modern, ingest DMT as a psychedelic in extracted or synthesized forms. Pure DMT at room temperature is a clear or white to yellowish-red crystalline solid. A laboratory synthesis of DMT was first reported in 1931, and it was later found in many plants.

Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases.

Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'. Those could be the same beings that some of the ancient cultures that consumed DMT rich beverages, like ayahuasca, considered their gods. Also, this leads to the idea that the alien abduction phenomenon could be produced by high levels of endogenous DMT in the human body, and that it might be a physiological condition that could pass genetically to the descendants of such people. .

Strassman noted, though, that the experience might be highly influenced by the actual user's life, showing what the person needs, given their personal story of the moment, more than what is wanted, and also that the setting could play a partial role, too (ex: in a waking dream state).

In the 1950s, the endogenous production of psychoactive agents was considered to be a potential explanation for the hallucinatory symptoms of some psychiatric diseases as the transmethylation hypothesis. Unfortunately, this hypothesis does not account for the natural presence of endogenous DMT in otherwise normal humans, rats and other laboratory animals. The proposal by Dr. Callaway was, however, the first to suggest a useful function for the endogenous production of DMT: to facilitate the visual phenomenon of normal dreaming.

Source

Anyways, I'll share this with you, as you might perhaps find it of interest, but not relevant to this thread. New Scientist

This does not in any way negate the fact that not all people having experiences of the nature we are speaking have them because of manipulation.

No it doesn't, but the evidence is mounting in favor of it. :yes: I've only shared a fraction in this thread, and I've not even scratched the surface.

V..., From your studies, how would you analize Psychic abilities? How would you analize a child prodogies?

Some studies here> http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=3018804

You can retrieve many here > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ or just Google.

As far as Child Prodogies, there's still lots to learn, no doubt, but we have a fairly good idea what makes them genius.

Nurture is the biggie, then a method called Chunking. The videos will give you a very good idea. These children were of average intelligence and then became extremely gifted.

First, early stimulation sets the stage for how children will learn and interact with others throughout life. A child's experiences, good or bad, influence the wiring of his/her brain and the connection in his nervous system. Loving interactions with caring adults strongly stimulate a child's brain, causing synapses to grow and existing connections to get stronger. Connections that are used become permanent. If a child receives little stimulation early on, the synapses will not develop, and the brain will make fewer connections. A mother and fathers love is so important. More here.

http://brainconnection.positscience.com/to...hild-prodigies3

http://www.indopedia.org/Child_prodigy.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunking_(psychology)

An example: In 1986, Susan Polgar broke the gender barrier by becoming the first woman in history to qualify for the "Men's" World Chess Championship. She was not allowed to play due to her gender. Because of Polgar, the world chess federation (FIDE) eventually had to change their policy to admit women players. As far as I know, to date, she's the only World Champion in history to win the triple-crown (Blitz, Rapid and Classical World Championships).

She currently holds a record 56 consecutive Olympiad game scoring streak without a loss. Her mother and father afforded her the opportunity to develop her passion, the game of chess.

Polgar and her two younger sisters, Grandmaster Judit and International Master Sofia, were part of an educational experiment carried out by their father László Polgár, who sought to prove that children could make exceptional achievements if trained in a specialist subject from a very early age.

"Geniuses are made, not born," was László's thesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Polgar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WREgHsTr5yE "My Brilliant Brain - Make Me A Genius"

Time to put this thread to rest. :)

It's been quite a journey, and I can't thank you all enough for your support and participation.

I, personally, have grown so much since posting this thread over a year ago.

Time to move on. Thanks again. :wub:

Kindest regard,

~V

edited to add: Condescending & Sean, I would like to highlight and use your sources in other threads. They rock. :tu: Thanks again.

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Agent. Mulder
Entire populations of people don't go missing all the time. What examples do you have of this taking place all the time?

The example of the mayan's is that they have only found the remains (grave) of one Mayan.

Omni Love, Marietta

umm, the maya didnt just go 'missing' or disapear as you put it. there are many theories as to why their civilization Collapsed.

and where is the documentation on this one grave?

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Marietta

Hello V..., Thank you for taking the time to give me an answer to my question.

The only thing this has proven is that when the brain raises it level of DMT the subject sees and hears things that the average person does not. There hasn't been any scientific evidence that suggests that these experiences are not real and that it is the level of DMT that is needed for a person to open the needed neuro pathways which allow for the frequencies of other realities fields to be perceivable and that there is much more out there than the forums we are accustomed to seeing and that not all beings have a benevolent agenda.

Nothing that you have shared thus far points to these experiences not being the result of chemicals in the brain that open certain neuro pathways that allow for the inflow of frequencies that would aid the subject in experiencing other reality fields.

I would appreciate it is you would answer my question, directly so I don't have to sort through all the material to get to the point you are making. Neither link suggested that the experience these people are having is not real. It just explained the chemical reason that allowed the experience. Did I over look something?

As for the first link, it shows how the means by which a person can be mind controlled, inducing certain chemical reactions in the brain and then using frequency waves to program and subliminal messaging to program the subject. Using light, sound, scalar waves, infra sound and so on. This proves that certain chemicals within the brain can trigger certain reactions and experiences but it does not negate the fact that these same drugs when triggered without the use of subliminal messaging brings about real experiences. Yes, a theta beat will put you into a trance state making you susceptible to exterior influences making it possible to reprogram the mind and how it thinks. This can be observed whenever a person is sat in front of the Television set for a period of time, you can call to the person and they will not answer you because they are in an altered state. Sometimes they will become very agitated, if the show is pulsing delta frequency or they may become ill if it is pulsing Omega frequency.

As for child prodigies, the first link merely states that it is in their DNA. What exactly do you think this implies?

You state that interaction with adults and a loving environment makes a child prodigy but I have to ask about all the millions (or billions) of other children that are raised is the same type of environment that are not parodies. What about a child that is adopted into a family that turns out to be a prodigy, while their other children are not?

Have you read the links you provided? The second link concludes that "While there are no definitive answers in the field of child prodigies, the consensus among most researchers is that it is a mix of practice and innate talent." What is innate talent? Where does it come from?

The third link was merely about chunking, a form of learning, information. The children I have come into contact with were not trained as most that I have read about.

I don't mean to be rude but could you please read what you send first so that I don't have to spend time reading material that don't apply directly to the question? If I am missing something please forgive me and explain it to me.

A woman becoming a chess champion through diligent study is not what we are discussing here. We all have the innate ability to learn and there are techniques that can accelerate the learning process. This is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about people who know things without ever being taught or without any external influence.

We're not talking about what makes a 'Genius", were talking about prodigies, very young children who have not been taught but have a "Genius" for a certain task.

You didn't address those with physic awareness and how this happens. Could you address this before retiring?

Omni Love, Marietta

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OldTimeRadio
.....thats not a science. i fail to see how that would be encorporated with a real science like quantum physics. its religious.

The idea that matter may exist only in relationship to the observer is an idea I've heard from University-faculty quantum physicists. They certainly think they are Scientists (and are employed as such) and would probably not agree with you that their views are "religious."

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Agent. Mulder
The idea that matter may exist only in relationship to the observer is an idea I've heard from University-faculty quantum physicists. They certainly think they are Scientists (and are employed as such) and would probably not agree with you that their views are "religious."

no, they would agree.

as ive been looking at the subject posted, and you have not. otherwise you would have agreed.

when does science try to build a bridge with spirituality and a source or god?

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Marietta
no, they would agree.

as ive been looking at the subject posted, and you have not. otherwise you would have agreed.

when does science try to build a bridge with spirituality and a source or god?

Your remarks show that you know very little about science particularly quantum physics. The major research in science is to figure out how things work and/or how everything came into existence or the source (god if you chose) of all things. Why do you think the purpose of the LHC is?

Omni Love, Marietta

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OldTimeRadio
no, they would agree.

as ive been looking at the subject posted, and you have not. otherwise you would have agreed.

when does science try to build a bridge with spirituality and a source or god?

My friend, do you really believe that you are the only member of this board who "looks into" the subjects under discussion?

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Could you provide your source of information or at least give some date on why you believe as you do?

Omni Love, Marietta

Al Bielek was proven to be a liar and storyteller already in 2003. See http://www.bielek-debunked.com for the full story.

Ladies and Gents, please use your god-given brains and ask questions and not take everything you read, you watch on youtube/TV or what people tell you for granted and as facts...

Ask questions, take your time to try to verify the claims yourself and you will discover, that almost everything that has to do with UFOs, the Philadelphia Experiment, the Montauk Projekt & Mind Control, Time Travel, Aliens, Black Helicopter, Chemtrails, Vaccination and else is the product of paranoid people or at least of people who have too much fantasy and only a loose connection to reality. Repeating those claims / stories doesn't make them facts, only retold claims...

Thanks !

GS

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greggK

The lesser form of DMT is 5-HTP. DMT is found in psilocybin mushrooms, 5-HTP is found in storebought mushrooms.

Both DMT and 5-HTP are related.

Tryptamine derivatives

The most well-known tryptamines are serotonin, an important neurotransmitter, and melatonin, a hormone involved in regulating the sleep-wake cycle. Tryptamine alkaloids found in fungi, plants and animals are commonly used by humans for their psychotropic effects. Prominent examples include psilocybin (from "magic mushrooms") and DMT (from numerous plant sources, e.g. chacruna, often used in ayahuasca brews). Many synthetic tryptamines have also been made, including the migraine drug sumatriptan and its relatives. The tables below list some commonly encountered substituted tryptamines.

General structure of substituted tryptamines

The tryptamine backbone can also be identified as part of the structure of some more complex compounds, for example: LSD, ibogaine and yohimbine.

http://www.answers.com/topic/tryptamine

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OldTimeRadio
Al Bielek was proven to be a liar and storyteller already in 2003.

Golfsierra, although I reject Bielek's claims I do not believe him to be a liar. It seems fairly clear that he sincerely believes his "recovered memories." His case demonstrates the folly of accepting such "memories" as anything even approaching fact. But Bielek was not the only person so deluded, and in several other cases such ersatz "memories" sentenced wholly innocent people to long prison terms.

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Marietta
Al Bielek was proven to be a liar and storyteller already in 2003. See http://www.bielek-debunked.com for the full story.

Ladies and Gents, please use your god-given brains and ask questions and not take everything you read, you watch on youtube/TV or what people tell you for granted and as facts...

Ask questions, take your time to try to verify the claims yourself and you will discover, that almost everything that has to do with UFOs, the Philadelphia Experiment, the Montauk Projekt & Mind Control, Time Travel, Aliens, Black Helicopter, Chemtrails, Vaccination and else is the product of paranoid people or at least of people who have too much fantasy and only a loose connection to reality. Repeating those claims / stories doesn't make them facts, only retold claims...

Thanks !GS

Repeating stories does not make them true and people trying to debunk a mans statement with little to go one doesn't negate it either. Its a good idea to study both sides of the coin before making decisions.

Here is an episode of the History Channel about the Philadelphia Experiment

Omni Love, Marietta

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Agent. Mulder
My friend, do you really believe that you are the only member of this board who "looks into" the subjects under discussion?

uhhh, judging by your response (on This Subject. the Only one were talking about), yes.

and well, marietta is as well i assume.

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golfsierra
Repeating stories does not make them true and people trying to debunk a mans statement with little to go one doesn't negate it either. Its a good idea to study both sides of the coin before making decisions.

Would you enlighten me what you mean by "people trying to debunk a mans statement with little to go one". I'm no native English speaker, so I'm not sure that I got you right ?!

Best regards,

GS

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OldTimeRadio
uhhh, judging by your response (on This Subject. the Only one were talking about), yes.

and well, marietta is as well i assume.

Heck, at least you're honest about your intellectualized snobbery. I'll grant you that. :)

By the way, I never said that I agree with the view that matter only exists in relationship to the observer. I merely stated that I know university Quantum Physicists who do entertain that view. And that's what I thought we were discussing.

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Heck, at least you're honest about your intellectualized snobbery. I'll grant you that. :)

By the way, I never said that I agree with the view that matter only exists in relationship to the observer. I merely stated that I know university Quantum Physicists who do entertain that view. And that's what I thought we were discussing.

i like to be honest and state the truth :D

and im just stating its not really science, and has more to do with belief, spirituality, and a Source/God.

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behaviour???

Arent we actually talking about Gods Existence here?

Thanks

B???

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Agent. Mulder
Arent we actually talking about Gods Existence here?

Thanks

B???

yes we are. didnt you notice?

and our environment creates god, because it was our environment (and brain obviously) that caused us to make up deities to explain our world and everything we could not.

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OldTimeRadio

I'm still not quite certain how a blind watchmaker Evolution even so much as as managed to create a belief in this non-existent entity we call "God."

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