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There's no whiter place in England and Wales than Easington in County Durham. As a survey finds white working class people feel forgotten and dejected, what do the people in this former colliery town think?.....

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I kinda think that some of these people should stop whingeing, and find work in another town, city, or country. Where there is no hope sometimes you need to "pull your socks up" and go out and actively improve your prospects. IMO

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I kinda think that some of these people should stop whingeing, and find work in another town, city, or country.

:tu: , though whining seems the more adequate verb.

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There's no whiter place in England and Wales than Easington in County Durham. As a survey finds white working class people feel forgotten and dejected, what do the people in this former colliery town think?.....

Courtesy BBC: Link to article

I kinda think that some of these people should stop whingeing, and find work in another town, city, or country. Where there is no hope sometimes you need to "pull your socks up" and go out and actively improve your prospects. IMO

well i thought the same as you Keith, when it comes to the work shy, but i have to say after discussions on this form and what am now seeing out on the street am starting to change my mind, Rhodda Valleys is a prime example of what happens when the heart of a community is wiped out, such has the collieries, its up to the Government to provide work for its people, for its people, for its people, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...nmigrant103.xml

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its up to the Government to provide work for its people, for its people, for its people,

only in socialist regimes, in capitalist regimes, such as ours, governments don't provide jobs.... employers do.

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:tu: , though whining seems the more adequate verb.

You could be right there QM ^_^

One of the whiners was saying that his son had finished Chef School, but couldnt get a job! There are hundreds of jobs available in the Costas here in Spain. I guess he is still young so what keeps him so tied to a town that offers no prospects? I just dont get it. Where is the spìrit of adventure that is meant to accompany youth? You dont even need to speak Spanish on the Costa's (that is actually the reason I dont go there :D )

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You could be right there QM ^_^

One of the whiners was saying that his son had finished Chef School, but couldnt get a job! There are hundreds of jobs available in the Costas here in Spain. I guess he is still young so what keeps him so tied to a town that offers no prospects? I just dont get it. Where is the spìrit of adventure that is meant to accompany youth? You dont even need to speak Spanish on the Costa's (that is actually the reason I dont go there :D )

It is not only Spain, in Finland they are desperate for workers, to the point that the government is willing to pay for the language courses for anyone from the EU coming there.

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governments don't provide jobs.... employers do.

Government that ceases to care for the majority of its citizens tends to be overthrown.

Government can control what is sold in a nation's borders and if the businesses do not want to provide the work to make the products there then they can be kept from selling in that nation.

More than one war has been fought over this.

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Government that ceases to care for the majority of its citizens tends to be overthrown.

Government can control what is sold in a nation's borders and if the businesses do not want to provide the work to make the products there then they can be kept from selling in that nation.

More than one war has been fought over this.

The first time something like that was tried it backfired... all that came out was a quality seal called: Made in Germany.

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well i thought the same as you Keith, when it comes to the work shy, but i have to say after discussions on this form and what am now seeing out on the street am starting to change my mind, Rhodda Valleys is a prime example of what happens when the heart of a community is wiped out, such has the collieries, its up to the Government to provide work for its people, for its people, for its people, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...nmigrant103.xml

Hi Steve,

the thing is that people directly involved with mining got very generous support from the various governments. Encouraged to start up small businesses (some are now very successful)., free re-training, and grants etc. I dont think I want to see nationalised industries set up to replace mining, steelworks etc.

You can buy a bar lease in the Costa del Sol for as little as 5,000 euros, or even as a fast order cook the going rate is about 10-12 euros an hour, and the cost of living considerably lower here.

As I say, just my opinion, I understand that family and geographical ties can be very strong, but when you are young?

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The first time something like that was tried it backfired... all that came out was a quality seal called: Made in Germany.

Both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War in the USA were over controlling internal trade.

With the Revolutionary War it was to throw off control of the British East India Company, which they did, and they put tariffs in place to protect and grow the new nation.

In the Civil War it was to keep the Cotton states from selling to other nations who offered and could afford to pay more for the cotton than the young northern industrial states. It worked and the USA became an industrial giant.

A nation without plenty of heavy industry is nothing. It is just a passing mist in the breeze.

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Government that ceases to care for the majority of its citizens tends to be overthrown.

Government can control what is sold in a nation's borders and if the businesses do not want to provide the work to make the products there then they can be kept from selling in that nation.

More than one war has been fought over this.

I see what you are saying,

but we are not talking about a majority here, very much a minority. How do you stop trade inside your own nation's boundaries without suffering the backlash of massive trade tariffs in retaliation?

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Both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War in the USA were over controlling internal trade.

With the Revolutionary War it was to throw off control of the British East India Company, which they did, and they put tariffs in place to protect and grow the new nation.

In the Civil War it was to keep the Cotton states from selling to other nations who offered and could afford to pay more for the cotton than the young northern industrial states. It worked and the USA became an industrial giant.

A nation without plenty of heavy industry is nothing. It is just a passing mist in the breeze.

Just like the USA and UK... all of these industries are now in the hands of cheaper labour forces in the third world.

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I see what you are saying,

but we are not talking about a majority here, very much a minority. How do you stop trade inside your own nation's boundaries without suffering the backlash of massive trade tariffs in retaliation?

As long as any nation has to fear what other nations may do to them economically they are merely a puppet and a pawn of others. Or in other words they are the guy in the red shirt on classic Trek.

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A nation without plenty of heavy industry is nothing. It is just a passing mist in the breeze.

You got something there, though as Taiwan demonstrates it does not have to be heavy industry. Many people willing to take risk in small garage enterprises also make a strong economy.

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You got something there, though as Taiwan demonstrates it does not have to be heavy industry. Many people willing to take risk in small garage enterprises also make a strong economy.

This has always been Japan's strength, the supply chain for all their automotive industries is very heavily populated by very small suppliers.

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only in socialist regimes, in capitalist regimes, such as ours, governments don't provide jobs.... employers do.

well, i think the government should provide more jobs than it does for the people of this country, but am a believer in nationalisation of certain companies, such as the Gas, Water, Leccy board,

i've always had an idea that the government should be owning a certain amount of all industries, where they can employ school leavers as apprentices, and give them that work experience that so many of the private firms fail to do,

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well, i think the government should provide more jobs than it does for the people of this country, but am a believer in nationalisation of certain companies, such as the Gas, Water, Leccy board

Even being the capitalistic pig I am I agree that public services should be in the hand of the government. But a government cannot create industrial jobs because it would enter in a conflict of interest supervising itself.

A government is there to pass laws to maximize the welfare of the people it rules... only most governments I know are composed by people who not only lack basic skills but do not know how to spell welfare (except on dole checks).

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And to think .. it was the white working class which built this Nation..

Now, they're the forgotten generation.. and people think they're whingers?

lol

I wouldn't p*** them off too much. ;)

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Even being the capitalistic pig I am I agree that public services should be in the hand of the government. But a government cannot create industrial jobs because it would enter in a conflict of interest supervising itself.

A government is there to pass laws to maximize the welfare of the people it rules... only most governments I know are composed by people who not only lack basic skills but do not know how to spell welfare (except on dole checks).

i see your point Q, but this labour government if not creating jobs should be regenerating towns and cities, i really dont know, whats whats, all i know is they need to be doing something. like bill has said, these communities help build the nation, and are now set adrift.

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i see your point Q, but this labour government if not creating jobs should be regenerating towns and cities, i really dont know, whats whats, all i know is they need to be doing something. like bill has said, these communities help build the nation, and are now set adrift.

As it was dear old Maggie that closed the pits, then it is her Tory party that should be the focus here. As I said, lots of help was given, very big redundancy payments given, and lots of support. What else can you do? If people wont help themselves then they are beyond helping.

I agree that utilities should be under government control, because these are the basics of life, but getting work is down to individuals, do they want to stay in an employment black spot? If so then I say that they are dragging themselves down into a "pit of despond".

You cannot live on historic perspectives because the world has moved on.

I think it is just a case of thinking "outside the box", the opportunities ARE there, but it needs at least an ounce of self-belief.

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As it was dear old Maggie that closed the pits, then it is her Tory party that should be the focus here. As I said, lots of help was given, very big redundancy payments given, and lots of support. What else can you do? If people wont help themselves then they are beyond helping.

I agree that utilities should be under government control, because these are the basics of life, but getting work is down to individuals, do they want to stay in an employment black spot? If so then I say that they are dragging themselves down into a "pit of despond".

You cannot live on historic perspectives because the world has moved on.

I think it is just a case of thinking "outside the box", the opportunities ARE there, but it needs at least an ounce of self-belief.

good point keith, your right, governments can only do so much, and people need to help themselves, fair play, like i said in my first post, i always come down tough'ish on the work shy, but these topics do make you think, just how easy is it in the real world to get a job or at least the training opportunities?

Keith have a pop at this, http://news.sky.com/skynews/fixed_article/...1286478,00.html set the countrys spending by highlighting the sector then move the little thingy up or down, click save when finished and it tells you whats what with a little report,

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good point keith, your right, governments can only do so much, and people need to help themselves, fair play, like i said in my first post, i always come down tough'ish on the work shy, but these topics do make you think, just how easy is it in the real world to get a job or at least the training opportunities?

Keith have a pop at this, http://news.sky.com/skynews/fixed_article/...1286478,00.html set the countrys spending by highlighting the sector then move the little thingy up or down, click save when finished and it tells you whats what with a little report,

Thanks Steve!

That is brilliant... Think I would be a C*** Prime Minister, even worse Finance Minister, :w00t:

Gonna send that to all my friends!!!

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Thanks Steve!

That is brilliant... Think I would be a C*** Prime Minister, even worse Finance Minister, :w00t:

Gonna send that to all my friends!!!

Oh I would not do so bad, better educated people, more jobs, stronger military and wealthier citizen... who all would be wailing because I would have to increase taxes a little to do that.

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Both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War in the USA were over controlling internal trade.

With the Revolutionary War it was to throw off control of the British East India Company, which they did, and they put tariffs in place to protect and grow the new nation.

In the Civil War it was to keep the Cotton states from selling to other nations who offered and could afford to pay more for the cotton than the young northern industrial states. It worked and the USA became an industrial giant.

A nation without plenty of heavy industry is nothing. It is just a passing mist in the breeze.

I always think people who the Civil War was just about freeing slaves are foolish. Not as foolish, however, as someone suggesting the Civil War was merely about economics. And I'd be fascinated to hear about the BEIC's role in the American Revolution outside of its tea trade; you seem to be confounding it with the Parliament that put on tariffs and taxes.

--Jaylemurph

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The white working class in the UK have been ignored for far to long, it causes resentment and breeds racism and the blame is with the doogers and this incompetent pathetic excuse of a government, there's going to be a massive swing to the right, i remember when the left supported the working man.

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