crystal sage Posted March 14, 2008 #1 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Jacob woke from his sleep and said 'Truly the LORD is in this place, and I did not know it…How fearsome is this place! This is no other than the house of God, this is the gate of heaven - (Genesis 28: 16-17) http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/.../appendix6.html Newgrange - (Gaelic - "Bru na Boinne"): The oldest megalithic structure in the world, and far predating the Egyptian pyramids, Newgrange Tumulus stands with two similar cairns in Country Meath Ireland. Perfectly aligned to the Winter Solstice it is built without cement in a manner that has never been duplicated or understood. It stands near to the Boyne River, named after the goddess Boann. Newgrange is connected with several major Irish heroes, particularly Midir and Aengus. In modern times the many massive base stones were deliberately turned face inwards to obscure their highly detailed astronomical inscriptions and etchings. The famous triskellion of three spirals exists within the center of the cairn. Within the structure is a small room into which, on the three days of the Winter Solstice, a thin beam of sunlight penetrates for 17 seconds. The light falls within a few inches of the symbol of the three spirals. This anomaly is a analogy of the spiritual light (wisdom) entering into the purified mind of man. The inner chamber of the cairn is cross-shaped. The cross was worshipped throughout the world long before the advent of Judeo-Christianity. Modern engineers are baffled as to Newgrange's construction and are unable to emulate its modeling. Astronomers are perplexed as to how beams of sunlight and moonlight still precisely enter through the tiny portal above the main entrance after 5,000 years. The true "Stone of Bethel" ("stone of the house of god"), mentioned in the Old Testament, stands in front of the cairn's main entrance. It was these Megalithic People (the Arya, or Elders), the ancestors of the Druids and Celts, who were responsible for Newgrange, the nearby twin sites of Knowth and Dowth, the Stonehenge complex, Avebury, Carnac, and the thousands of other cyclopean chambers, cairns, mounds, monuments, and lay lines which network Europe and the world. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 14, 2008 Author #2 Share Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/ http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/...ICR-070802.html Michael Tsarion - Irish Origins Part 1 - The West to East Movement of Civilization, Land Bridges & Age of Catastrophe August 2, 2007 Michael Tsarion joins us to talk about the West to East Movement of the Elements of the Civilization, the connecting Land Bridges and the importance of History. Topics Discussed: Michael's Experiences in Ireland, Jim Fitzpatrick, Geomancy & Earth Energies, Ancient Hills and Monuments, Churches Positioned on Ancient Sites, Arthurian Legends (the Irish Version), Correlation between Egypt and Ireland, Egypt's Oldest Art Discovered: 15.000 Years Old, Parrot Feathers & Coca Leaves Found in Egypt, Hierakonpolis (Nekhen), Ireland - Past and Present, Lost Land Bridges of Britain and Scandinavia, Ulf Erlingsson, The Aryans & The Druids, Andrew Power, The Deluge, The Cataclysms, Sea Level Rising, The Storegga Tsunami Around 6100 BC, "Dogger Bank" or "Dogger Island", Tribes of Wizards, Builders of the Megalithic Sites, Why isn't the West to East Movement Recognized? Man-Made Bridge between India and Sri Lanka, Why is History Important? Personal "Immunity", The Evil of Rome, The War on Consciousness, "Aryan" Not a Racial Title, The Aquarian Age, The Age of Revealing and much, much more. ... A talk show interviews.... http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/...tsarion-pt1.mp3 http://www.journeyswithrebecca.com/RSS_feed.xml http://www.taroscopes.com/products/intervi...lantispage.html http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/811.html http://beyondthedial.wordpress.com/2007/11...f-christianity/ Edited March 14, 2008 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted March 14, 2008 #3 Share Posted March 14, 2008 But then God invented Whiskey so the Irish would not take over the civilized world 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted March 14, 2008 #4 Share Posted March 14, 2008 This could also have gone into the 'Mound' thread.......you're on a roll CS....as always! There is so much...all around us.....under our noses......but something hasn't clicked yet.... I mean in general.....it's all there....but although information circles and washes around... it's as if a few vital pieces of the jigsaw are missing....so the full picture hasn't come into view YET. A lot of people, know a lot, about a lot of things....but it's in isolated pockets... (mini ramble)..... But then God invented Whiskey so the Irish would not take over the civilized world And don't forget 'the black stuff'.....but how could you...if you're Irish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted March 14, 2008 #5 Share Posted March 14, 2008 And don't forget 'the black stuff'.....but how could you...if you're Irish! ...sudden flare of good taste? /ducks --Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spartan Posted March 15, 2008 #6 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Yeah CS does Roll................................... One sec she is giving links and posts saying all human life is originated from reptilians, the next moment she is on the same business saying we came from ETs and then all civilization came from Irish, and what next CS? Why dont you ever claim that civilization started from Pet Monkeys of Reptilian civilization who landed for a picnic in ancient ireland?? folks..dont be surprised if she comes with links to that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted March 15, 2008 #7 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Funny thread. In all seriousness, alas, the Irish are not the originators of civilization, just the survivors of a respectably advanced Celtic iron age culture that reached that far west, and escaped the heel of Roman military adventure. However, it sometimes falls to people living on the fringes of a culture area to be the "keepers of the flame" when the center of the culture collapses. The Irish did play that role for the Roman-Greek culture during the early Dark Ages. Most people are more familiar with the Islamic role in that regard, but the Irish only rarely get their due. Happy Saint Patrick's Day, all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Maharaja Posted March 15, 2008 #8 Share Posted March 15, 2008 But then God invented Whiskey so the Irish would not take over the civilized world Classic post dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 15, 2008 Author #9 Share Posted March 15, 2008 (edited) Yeah CS does Roll................................... One sec she is giving links and posts saying all human life is originated from reptilians, the next moment she is on the same business saying we came from ETs and then all civilization came from Irish, and what next CS? Why dont you ever claim that civilization started from Pet Monkeys of Reptilian civilization who landed for a picnic in ancient ireland?? folks..dont be surprised if she comes with links to that too. I'm working on it.... LOL.. think of the Evolutionaries... according to them.. we actually started as bacteria.. then became fish... then.... http://www.eadon.com/arena/evolution.php http://www.wayhome.org/evo4.html Then there is Panspermia... but where did they get their makings from???? http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0045.htm Any Answers???? Edited March 15, 2008 by crystal sage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Spirit Posted March 15, 2008 #10 Share Posted March 15, 2008 The most important things in our long history has been obscured intentionally so that the masses do not know the reality of our existence. There are things to consider: Aliens that came to earth and are associated with the Egyptians, the Mayans, and all the markings found in many lands. The religious teachings of Judea and Christianity and other religions. There's also evolution which has to be a part of any other hypothesis or belief. The belief that we are just animals who's brains, for one reason or another, evolved more than other animals. But there is also the possibility that somewhere along the line a spiritual force was injected into our conscious being. It takes an open mind that never gives up searching or we could just accept things as they are and live for the moment realizing it could end at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted March 16, 2008 #11 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Just, uhh, who exactly is obscuring all these alien visitations, and why? I mean, to cover up something for centuries -- if not millennia -- in every civilization around the world is daunting task. Some might even suggest impossible. And if they've been covering it up, how exactly did you find out? I've heard the old "there's a great big, nasty cover-up of history that extends so perfectly through time and space that you don't know the truth, but any Joe like me with teh Internets can still find out about it" chestnut and it's more full of holes than a fine Emmenthaler. --Jaylemurph 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 16, 2008 Author #12 Share Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Just, uhh, who exactly is obscuring all these alien visitations, and why? I mean, to cover up something for centuries -- if not millennia -- in every civilization around the world is daunting task. Some might even suggest impossible. And if they've been covering it up, how exactly did you find out? I've heard the old "there's a great big, nasty cover-up of history that extends so perfectly through time and space that you don't know the truth, but any Joe like me with teh Internets can still find out about it" chestnut and it's more full of holes than a fine Emmenthaler. --Jaylemurph Religion... one of the first.. most successful. franchises.,.. money making .... business corporations ever... They know all about promotions...making money.... using psychology...advertising... strong arm tactics.. playing up to ones' insecurities... covering their tracks dramatically usually with wars.. or scapegoats ..persecution... disinformation......when they are in danger of being caught for constantly contradicting their own laws of not killing.. harming.. greed.. adultery..etc... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...04190146AAkRCKy http://www.abovetopsecret.com/tags/aliens+and+religion.html http://www.truetruths.com/BUSINESS.htm So Zim was back, this time to provide some commentary and insight into the notion of religion as big business. Even before Wayne Titus has encouraged Zach to look into religion as big business, Zach had been investigating that avenue. Just how has religion (legitimate or not) used sound business practices to build itself into a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar industry worldwide? “Hey, Zach. Let’s get down to business.” As always, Zim was all business. “Okay, Zim. Like we discussed last week, many people have the notion that religion is big business. Part of the film I’m making will explore how religion is like a business. You know business, so I want you to explain in a way that people can understand just how religion is like, or unlike, big business. I don’t want moral judgments from you. Just facts, comparisons, analysis. I want people to come to their own conclusions.” “Sure, Zach. Just the facts. People are always looking for a way to get rich, to gain and hold power. Before we even talk about religion, let’s look at the ingredients of a successful business.” Pulling out his laptop computer, Zim brought up a list to look at: INGREDIENTS OF A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS 1. Find an existing demand and/or create a demand 2. Be one of the major suppliers of a product in demand (limit or eliminate competition) 3. Convince people they need your product – something good will happen if they have it 4. Convince people that if they do not have your product that something bad will happen 5. Insure a healthy profit margin - revenue exceeds expenses 6. Create a product that produces a continuous stream of profits with numerous repeat customers 7. Have a marketing plan to increase sales 8. Employ an effective sales force that is effective and has responses prepared for anticipated objections 9. Limit overhead costs 10. Build an infrastructure that will continue the business far into the future 11. Have powerful, persuasive, enthusiastic, credible, dynamic leadership 10. Build an infrastructure that will continue the business far into the future Lastly, you need to build a solid, permanent infrastructure that will continue into the foreseeable future. There must be a means of ensuring leadership continues without creating a break in the functioning of the church. If the pastor, or a deacon, or Sunday School teacher, or other church position is vacated, provisions must be made for that position to be filled. The church needs a steady meeting place, strong church leadership, fiscally responsible leadership, and emotional and financial investments. Think of the church buildings throughout the world as being religious franchises, and the worship services, evangelizing, key passages from the Bible, and ceremonies - baptisms, Christmas and Easter celebrations, Passover, and so on - as the standard operating procedures. Many well-established religions have strong, powerful infrastructures. 11. Have powerful, persuasive, enthusiastic, credible, dynamic leadership As in business, most, if not all, successful religions and individual churches have great leaders. Whether it is Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Billy Graham, or the local priest or preacher, a dynamic personality is required to build and sustain a successful church. Just as a successful business must have a dynamic CEO, a church must have dynamic leaders. “So, you see,” said Zim, “religion has many similarities with big business. In a sense, most churches are franchisees of the main church headquarters or central office or controlling body of leaders. Of course, there are successful independent churches, too, who have learned from the big boys and have copied what works.” “Financially, how successful is religion?” Zim asked. “Let’s take a look at the Catholic Church in the U. S., for example. Not only do they take in annual revenues of $7,500,000,000 – yep, that’s 7½ billion dollars of revenue, and that’s only here in the United States – but they also have tons of assets.” Zim continued. “Look at the $130,000,000 Boston Cardinal’s home, which includes a 60-acre urban site with the chancery and a seminary. Look at the $18,000,000 golf and conference center owned by the Detroit diocese, and the $10,000,000 Chicago Cardinal’s residence. Then there’s the Aldrich Mansion owned by the Providence diocese, who rent out this 75-acre site for parties. It’s valued at $22,000,000. The Catholic Church even owns radio and television stations, like the $31,000,000 television station owned by the Boston diocese.” “And there is much, much more. And remember this is just one religion, and just in the U. S. Worldwide, the Catholic Church and other religions control billions and billions of dollars in various assets.” “Is religion big business?” Zim asked. “You bet it is! BIG BUSINESS!” he said in answer to his own question. Do you think much of that goes to feed.. clothe the poor and homeless of this world??? helps them get a fresh start.. create employment opportunities??? What about some other religious franchises... Sure some charities.. communities help out quite a bit ...but they first have to raise their own money to help these people..... but imagine how much more they could do if the religious corporations were forced ..( as I haven't yet come across them donating willingly to causes other than wars) to donate a good 1/3 of their income towards doing what they preach.. by setting an example...by at least sponsoring those that are doing the good works in their stead... that these religious corporations should be doing.... Note all those church fetes etc.. that are run to build a new roof or some other restoration of the church buildings... surely these coporations can afford to maintain their own buildings???.... I am sure that there are many in their community that are in more urgent need of that money.. eg .. for expensive medical care... those who have lost their jobs... and are about to be homeless..or are having great difficulties providing food and clothing for their families.. 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jaylemurph Posted March 16, 2008 #13 Share Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Religion... one of the first.. most successful. franchises.,.. money making .... business corporations ever... They know all about promotions...making money.... using psychology...advertising... strong arm tactics.. playing up to ones' insecurities... covering their tracks dramatically usually with wars.. or scapegoats ..persecution... disinformation......when they are in danger of being caught for constantly contradicting their own laws of not killing.. harming.. greed.. adultery..etc... Do you think much of that goes to feed.. clothe the poor and homeless of this world??? helps them get a fresh start.. create employment opportunities??? What about some other religious franchises... Sure some charities.. communities help out quite a bit.. but imagine how much more they could do if the religious corporations were forced ..( as I haven't yet come across them donating willingly to causes other than wars) to donate a good 1/3 of their income towards doing what they preach.. setting an example...by funding those that are doing the good works. that these religious corporations should be doing.... Not nearly specific enough, CS, not nearly specific enough. You might as well have just said "Greed." Not, mind, that I think you're wrong, but for the specific claims being made, there need to be specific answers. --Jaylemurph Edited March 16, 2008 by jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 16, 2008 Author #14 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Not nearly specific enough, CS, not nearly specific enough. You might as well have just said "Greed." Not, mind, that I think you're wrong, but for the specific claims being made, there need to be specific answers. --Jaylemurph Why... what more needs to be said???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezna Posted March 17, 2008 #15 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Go watch X-Files, seriously. Everything is in there. And Mulder is the Key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redqueen Posted March 17, 2008 #16 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Funny thread. In all seriousness, alas, the Irish are not the originators of civilization, just the survivors of a respectably advanced Celtic iron age culture that reached that far west, and escaped the heel of Roman military adventure. However, it sometimes falls to people living on the fringes of a culture area to be the "keepers of the flame" when the center of the culture collapses. The Irish did play that role for the Roman-Greek culture during the early Dark Ages. Most people are more familiar with the Islamic role in that regard, but the Irish only rarely get their due. Happy Saint Patrick's Day, all. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 18, 2008 Author #17 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Happy Saint Patrick's Day to You!!! Green Power!!!! Let's hope all the world's Leprechauns are happier that this one!!!! Edited March 18, 2008 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho78 Posted March 18, 2008 #18 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The Celts did not build the structure at Newgrange, Stone Henge or any of the others mentioned. The Celtic culture began spreading from south western Germany about a thousand years after they were built. People have inhabited the British Isles since the glaciers that formed most of them melted. On the other hand there are many archeologists that believe that Greek culture as we know it is a result of Celtic influence on those particular Mediterranean colonies. Not only are many Greek myths comparable with Celtic myths that are believed to be older, but it seems that Greece rose to power by becoming the Celts main source of eastern goods, especially artwork. Furthermore, it was the recent defeat of the Carthagians by Celtic armies that allowed Alexander the Great to challenge the Persian Empire. The Celts played a significant role in the creation of the Roman culture and state which would ultimately be their downfall. I have never seen it written, but I personally believe that Julius Caesar did not conquer Gaul purely for the glory or wealth that he needed to rise to power in Rome, but because he knew that the Celtic nations were fractured and if given time to mend would eventually consume the remaining 2/3rds of the Italian peninsula. In the end Celts and Romans weren’t all that different fundamentally, technologically or racially which is why the Celts were so easily defeated and assimilated by the Romans. Additionally if it weren’t for the new Roman soldiers, formerly known as Celts and their vast stretches of gaelic farmland, Rome wouldn’t have been able to afford its total conquest of the med. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted March 18, 2008 #19 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The Celts did not build the structure at Newgrange, Stone Henge or any of the others mentioned. The Celtic culture began spreading from south western Germany about a thousand years after they were built. People have inhabited the British Isles since the glaciers that formed most of them melted. On the other hand there are many archeologists that believe that Greek culture as we know it is a result of Celtic influence on those particular Mediterranean colonies. Not only are many Greek myths comparable with Celtic myths that are believed to be older, but it seems that Greece rose to power by becoming the Celts main source of eastern goods, especially artwork. Furthermore, it was the recent defeat of the Carthagians by Celtic armies that allowed Alexander the Great to challenge the Persian Empire. The Celts played a significant role in the creation of the Roman culture and state which would ultimately be their downfall. I have never seen it written, but I personally believe that Julius Caesar did not conquer Gaul purely for the glory or wealth that he needed to rise to power in Rome, but because he knew that the Celtic nations were fractured and if given time to mend would eventually consume the remaining 2/3rds of the Italian peninsula. In the end Celts and Romans weren’t all that different fundamentally, technologically or racially which is why the Celts were so easily defeated and assimilated by the Romans. Additionally if it weren’t for the new Roman soldiers, formerly known as Celts and their vast stretches of gaelic farmland, Rome wouldn’t have been able to afford its total conquest of the med. Great Post! --Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Spirit Posted March 19, 2008 #20 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Did not read all the posts but know that the Romans invaded England and drove the Celts into Wales and the southern part of Cornwall. They never got into Scotland and of course never got to Ireland. These places remained Celts unlike England which was defeated by the Romans -- the Romans built all the roads and canals there before eventually returning for the most part to the mainlands of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 19, 2008 Author #21 Share Posted March 19, 2008 http://www.gothicimage.co.uk/books/makerofmyths.html The remnants of stones scattered around the lower slopes of the Tor point to yet another possible use of this hill. It could have been used as a moon observatory in conjunction with the threading of the maze, for there is a good deal of evidence connecting megalithic stones with Druid initiation ceremonies. To many the key document on the whole question of Glastonbury is the Life of St Collen by a Welsh saint of 650 AD. The manuscript tells the story of a Christian hermit living in a cell on the Tor who is visited by two emissaries of the Faery King Gwyn Ap Nudd. They persuade him to visit their king on the summit of the Tor. Because the hermit believes faeries to be demons, he takes holy water with him. He enters the other world of the king's castle, refuses to eat what is offered him, splashes holy water everywhere and immediately the castle and faeries disappear. During the sixth and seventh centuries, a mass of Celtic sagas appeared concerning the heroes of Britain. These sagas linked the Faery King Gwyn with the Glass Island, and also with Annwn – the Celtic land of Faery, King Arthur, and the cauldron of plenty. However, the earliest reference to the Tor is in the Charter of St Patrick compiled around the middle of the thirteenth century. It mentions two lay brothers, a fact which suggests the beginning of a monastic settlement on the Tor, and if not that, then it at least points to a Christian interest in the place. Megalithic stones on the Tor More evidence that the Tor was a monastic site occurs in the thirteenth century in a charter of Henry III of AD 1234, giving permission for the holding of a fair "at the monastery of St Michael on the Tor." Faery fairs turn up in folklore time after time and they always appear to have been held near mazes, mounds, standing-stones, hill-forts or earthworks. There is still an annual Tor Fair in Glastonbury, but it is no longer held on the Tor. I wonder if the Stonhenge was simply a Summer House set in the center of a huge maze??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 19, 2008 Author #22 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) http://www.rense.com/politics6/irishrace.htm Geneticists Show That Irish Are A Race Apart "When you look at this old genetic geography of Ireland what you find is that in the West (of the country) we are almost exclusively of one type of Y chromosome," Daniel Bradley told Reuters. The Y chromosome is passed down exclusively from father to son. It is a favourite of geneticists because it accentuates differences between populations. "It is inherited as a unit so the information you get from it is of a special type," Bradley said in a telephone interview. Bradley and his colleagues at Trinity College in Dublin examined the Y chromosomes of men with Gaelic surnames in the western-most province of Connaught, and found that 98.3 percent had a group of genes on the Y chromosome known as haplogroup 1. "When you look at Gaelic surnames they are different in frequency of Y chromosome types from non- Gaelic surnames," Bradley said. In a report in the science journal Nature, he and his colleagues said that even within Ireland they found differences. More than 98 percent of men with Gaelic names in western Ireland had haplogroup 1 but numbers dropped drastically on the east of the Emerald Isle. Much further east in Turkey only 1.8 percent of men carry haplogroup 1. "Ireland may tell us something about European diversity because it is on the edge of Europe. Genetic diversity follows geography to some extent," Bradley said. The researchers said there is a gradient of haplogroup 1 across Europe starting at almost zero in the Far East to almost 100 percent in the west of Ireland. Irish genes span the globe, and one king spawned nearly all http://www.smh.com.au/news/science/irish-g...7553646131.html SCIENTISTS in Ireland may have found the country's most fertile male, with more than 3 million men worldwide among his offspring. The scientists, from Trinity College Dublin, have discovered that as many as one in 12 Irish men could be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, a 5th-century warlord who was head of the most powerful dynasty in ancient Ireland. His genetic legacy is almost as impressive as that of Genghis Khan, the Mongol emperor who conquered most of Asia in the 13th century and has nearly 16 million descendants, said Dan Bradley, who supervised the research. "It's another link between profligacy and power," Dr Bradley said. "We're the first generation on the planet where if you're successful you don't [always] have more children." The research was carried out by a PhD student, Laoise Moore, at the Smurfit Institute of Genetics at Trinity. Ms Moore, testing the Y chromosome that is passed from fathers to sons, examined DNA samples from 800 males across Ireland. The results - published in the American Journal of Human Genetics - showed the highest concentration of related males in north-west Ireland, where one in five males had the same Y chromosome. Dr Bradley said the results reminded the team of a similar study in Central Asia, where scientists found 8 per cent of men with the same Y chromosome. Subsequent studies found they shared the same chromosome as the dynasty of Genghis Khan. It appears that Dan Bradely has a lot to say about the Irish.... http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/09/09/story165780.html Dr Daniel Bradley, genetics lecturer at Trinity College Dublin, said a new study into Celtic origins revealed close affinities with the people of Galicia “It’s well known that there are cultural relations between the areas but now this shows there is much more,” Dr Bradley said. “We think the links are much older than that of the Iron Age because it also shows affinities with the Basque region – which isn’t a Celtic region.” “The links point towards other Celtic nations, in particular Scotland, but they also point to Spain,” he added. Advertisement Historians believed the Celts, originally from the Alpine regions of central Europe invaded the Atlantic islands in a massive migration 2,500 years ago. But using DNA samples from people living in Celtic nations and other parts of Europe geneticists at the university have drawn new parallels. Dr Bradley said it was possible migrants moved from the Iberian peninsula to Ireland as far back as 6,000 years ago up until 3,000 years ago. Edited March 19, 2008 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted March 19, 2008 Author #23 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) http://www.ireland.com/timeseye/whoweare/p2bottom.htm http://www.ireland.com/timeseye/whoweare/p2bottom.htm Many of our genes have been forged on the anvil of harsher times, writes Dan Bradley One tale is told by the variants in the gene which cause the rare disease haemochromatosis. This is a malady of iron overload which can be serious but which may be treatable through regular blood letting. This is sometimes known as a Celtic disease because of its occurrence, for example, in people of Irish descent. A look at the geography of the underlying genetic variant shows why; it reaches its worldwide frequency maximum on this island and, interestingly, is also relatively common in Brittany, Scotland, Wales and northwest Spain. Why is the frequency of this harmful gene high in some modern populations and why should this be shared particularly along the Atlantic facade of Europe? Genetically induced iron overload can be fatal today but its underlying genetics may have been a matter of life and death in different ways in the past. Perhaps this gene helped guard against the malnutrition of an iron-poor diet in our ancestors or gave resistance against ancient epidemics caused by bacteria sensitive to iron levels in the blood. Many of our genes have been forged on the anvil of harsher times; genes predisposing to diabetes, the O blood group, even perhaps cystic fibrosis, may be with us today because of advantages they conferred in long forgotten famines or plagues. It is also probable that the Celtic regions share (also with the Basques of northwest Spain and southwest France) some remnant of a very early western European genetic stratum which, because of extreme geography, has not been obscured by the myriad mass population movements of the continental interior. The builders of Newgrange may indeed have left us their genes. IS RED HAIR REALLY IRISH??? From Red Hugh O’Donnell to Scarlett O’Hara, red hair has had a special association with Irishness. However it is a minority feature on our pigmentary landscape, appearing only in 5 to 10 per cent of Irish people. Still, this is relatively high compared to other populations. The trait of red hair revolves around an enigmatic gene called the melanocortin 1 receptor, MC1R for short. Red hair occurs when both copies of this gene in one person are of altered types that inhibit the synthesis of one of the main skin pigments. Although only a minority of Irish people are redheads, a remarkable 75 per cent possess one such MC1R version which can reduce pigment synthesis and give some tinge of redness in hair. MC1R is an impressive multitasker and can have other effects: predisposing to pale skin, freckles, lack of tanning ability, skin cancer and perhaps even resistance to pain. Skin colour is the most troublesome and potentially misleading of genetic markers. Both dark and light skin have arisen several times in our human past, so similar skin hue does not necessarily imply a close ancestry between peoples. It is an evolutionary trade-off between the need to protect against the harm of UV radiation and the need to let sunlight penetrate the skin to synthesise vitamin D. It is likely that the reduced skin pigment synthesis and associated red hair which have been prevalent on our island are a local evolutionary answer to the combination of high cloud cover and northern latitude which make a sortie to an Irish beach a journey made more in hope than expectation. More suited to Brittas Bay than Bondi Beach, the package of pale skin, red hair and freckles is an early Irish solution to an Irish problem. DAN BRADLEY ...and more interesting info.... http://www.newarkspeaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7750 Answer Black Irish are distinctive enough to be classified as far outside the normal range of any northern-European ethnic group in that they are born with perfectly jet-black hair which is generally straight or only slightly curled. Also, almond-shaped eyes are seen occasionally among the Irish. For instance; Frank McCourt reported that his schoolmates used to tease him, calling him ?squint-eyed Jap.? You?d think someone would put two and two together, especially since every now and then Asian women--many of whom never saw a white man in their lives--living in remote parts of Western China and Outer Mongolia to this day sometimes give birth to blue-eyed babies, and sometimes even babies with red hair and freckles. If that isn?t enough, however, recently archeologists have uncovered Celtic mummies buried in the deserts of Western China. http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/featur...7/mummies.html It would be nearly impossible for a Celtic population, what with their horses and wagons and nomadic tendencies, not to have traded with the Chinese and establish colonies in far-off places, then routinely intermarry and take their families back to the west coast of Europe. Answer The dark irish are directly linked to the dark britons, silures, who inhabited the west coast of britain and ireland since the last ice age. They were described as having black curly hair by tacitus and strabo, and are regularly referrred to as the "aboriginies of britain". They migrated from the area now known as libya or north africa, near carthage some 10-15000 years ago. Straight black hair is a mixture of indo-european (germanic) and indo-african (indiginous britons) They traded with most of europe before successive germanic invasions, blond, red and ginger blue eyed peoples. The people were pushed over to the west coast of ireland to maintain the freedom they enjoyed. There is a castle and ploughed land on the west coast of mayo that dates back some 7000years, the oldest in europe. Farming and sheep came from the middle east. The majority of stone circles are in north africa. The theory goes that western britain and ireland was a place that middle eatern and north african farmers used to grow livestock and ship back for a large profit. Profit is easily achievable by looking at the amount of grazing land in the middle east is minimal while ireland is green and lush. Makes good business sense. Ireland was not covered by an ice sheet, the ground is too soft today compared to the rest of britain. http://www.brendanloy.com/wp/2007/01/are-r...e-and-lazy.html Edited March 19, 2008 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Spirit Posted March 20, 2008 #24 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Very interesting reading........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted March 21, 2008 #25 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Did not read all the posts but know that the Romans invaded England and drove the Celts into Wales and the southern part of Cornwall. They never got into Scotland and of course never got to Ireland. These places remained Celts unlike England which was defeated by the Romans -- the Romans built all the roads and canals there before eventually returning for the most part to the mainlands of Europe. There's no evidence that "The Celt's" ever invaded the British isles actually there's no evidence to support any of your post, Romans and canals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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