Hanslune Posted November 2, 2010 #176 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Hyperborea map If not translation, then pictures at least. Alexey I see your map and raise you by throwing in another Hyborean map but this one has an advantage, We KNOW it's fake from the start! http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/hyboria.gif LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Yakovlev Posted November 4, 2010 #177 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I like this excerpt from Wikipedia article on Hyperborea: Northern Europeans (Scandinavians), when confronted with classical Greco-Roman culture in the Mediterranean, identified themselves with the Hyperboreans. This idea was especially strong during the 17th century in Sweden, where the later representatives of the ideology of Gothicism declared the Scandinavian peninsula both the lost Atlantis and the Hyperborean land. Because it corresponds to what I unexpectedly found myself in Swedes (the cultural Swedes, typically blue eyed and with light hair). When I watched Sweden movie I, to my big surprise, noticed very deep and unusually highly developed past, which I sensed in these people, or around them. An ancient past. How much in fact they might have been connected to Hyperborea or Hyperboreans I cannot tell now. But I sensed one particular element of their history. Somewhere in far past (close to 12 Kya by perceptions) these people had endured some catastrophic event, which destroyed their culture. The feeling was that they couldn't understand why it happened to them. The sense of their own past could have triggered Swedes' high reaction to the description of Hyperborea, because described characteristics of Hyperborean culture very much resonates with Swedes' past culture as I sensed it. Alexey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Yakovlev Posted November 6, 2010 #178 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Teotihuacan was founded circa 2200 BP and lasted (under the founding culture) to circa 1400 BP +/-. The time-line alone presents a problem for your position. Current research would tend to indicate that the alignment of the "Street of the Dead" is associated with a mountain peak of spiritual significance to the founding culture. Any correlation with Greenland is not at all supportable. As I said, especially Teotihuacan can be misdated, because it was patched up a lot. Were they dating these patchings or the original pieces? There are a lot of old constructions which are placed on top of much older pieces and much more massive ones. It is been observed all over the world, such trait. In Egypt, in Central America, in India. Regarding an alignment with the mountain peak, at first I dismissed it, but then a thought came - it could actually be a clever way to give locals an orientation to very far place, which they couldn't locate without special map or proper tools. Considering reliability of maps and tools, time-wise and culture-wise, it would be much easier to just give them sure orientation which they could not miss - a local mountain, and tell them to build stuff in a certain place against it. Same with Jews of Exodus, for example. The pillar of cloud at day and the pillar of fire at night, like a volcano, is a very nice compass for the far travel to unknown place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted November 6, 2010 #179 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Personally, I think most people became interested in Atlantis, not because of what Plato wrote about it, but because of what people like Cayce, Donnelly and Blavatsky wrote about it. In my case, it was Doug McClure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted November 6, 2010 #180 Share Posted November 6, 2010 As I said, especially Teotihuacan can be misdated, because it was patched up a lot. Were they dating these patchings or the original pieces? There are a lot of old constructions which are placed on top of much older pieces and much more massive ones. It is been observed all over the world, such trait. In Egypt, in Central America, in India. Regarding an alignment with the mountain peak, at first I dismissed it, but then a thought came - it could actually be a clever way to give locals an orientation to very far place, which they couldn't locate without special map or proper tools. Considering reliability of maps and tools, time-wise and culture-wise, it would be much easier to just give them sure orientation which they could not miss - a local mountain, and tell them to build stuff in a certain place against it. Same with Jews of Exodus, for example. The pillar of cloud at day and the pillar of fire at night, like a volcano, is a very nice compass for the far travel to unknown place. Re: Teotihuacan - http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:5xcxg_MoJB8J:www.famsi.org/reports/06017/06017Sload01.pdf+teotihuacan+dating&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjO9VpBr3sdEGFY4nQOgsQCTbDIo266tY5WiA-uRRvhUsYcN2UEPIxKOnMmfj4zzDpOPxbyn2X4pNhOU2kj13wksRyXqij2ALzYlzKHuuripmCT8C_QfRNAcKkKJr_1nEh8UJzi&sig=AHIEtbRTD0-BvnZl3yaofgos-IxW8BRH6A Based upon time-line, genetics, material culture, etc., etc., your proposal would appear to be highly questionable. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Yakovlev Posted November 7, 2010 #181 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Re: Teotihuacan - http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:5xcxg_MoJB8J:www.famsi.org/reports/06017/06017Sload01.pdf+teotihuacan+dating&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjO9VpBr3sdEGFY4nQOgsQCTbDIo266tY5WiA-uRRvhUsYcN2UEPIxKOnMmfj4zzDpOPxbyn2X4pNhOU2kj13wksRyXqij2ALzYlzKHuuripmCT8C_QfRNAcKkKJr_1nEh8UJzi&sig=AHIEtbRTD0-BvnZl3yaofgos-IxW8BRH6A Based upon time-line, genetics, material culture, etc., etc., your proposal would appear to be highly questionable. . This is a very low quality cave. No wander it's young. How does it relate to the core of the pyramid? Besides, why always charcoal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted November 7, 2010 #182 Share Posted November 7, 2010 This is a very low quality cave. No wander it's young. How does it relate to the core of the pyramid? Besides, why always charcoal? While your youth, language factors, etc. are being taken into account, there are responsibilities that fall upon your own shoulders. You previously suggested that we utilize "Google Translator" in order to view the two paltry references that you provided. Such was done. At the least, you could take the time to apply the same technology to the numerous references that have been provided for your benefit. Read the report. The cave is located beneath (at the core of) the Pyramid of the Sun. In addition to the radiocarbon dates, note the ceramic sequencing. Radiocarbon dating (C14) can only be applied to organic materials. Charcoal, due to its extended durability in the archaeological record, is often utilized. Other materials such as bone and other organics are also utilized when preservational circumstances allow. Please translate and read the references to dating. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Yakovlev Posted November 8, 2010 #183 Share Posted November 8, 2010 While your youth, language factors, etc. are being taken into account, there are responsibilities that fall upon your own shoulders. You previously suggested that we utilize "Google Translator" in order to view the two paltry references that you provided. Such was done. At the least, you could take the time to apply the same technology to the numerous references that have been provided for your benefit. Read the report. The cave is located beneath (at the core of) the Pyramid of the Sun. In addition to the radiocarbon dates, note the ceramic sequencing. Radiocarbon dating (C14) can only be applied to organic materials. Charcoal, due to its extended durability in the archaeological record, is often utilized. Other materials such as bone and other organics are also utilized when preservational circumstances allow. Please translate and read the references to dating. . I can read English, I understand it. With Russian links, which I gave, I said that you don't have to read them. It's just something I had on hand at the moment. About C14 dating I know, and I also noticed ceramic sequencing in the report, and other considerations. Yet I don't know why it is assumed that charcoal is always used, or ceramics, or any filling between stones, in any construction. And the quality of the construction and its different pieces is also not considered. Thus, so poorly made cave has doubtly any connection to the original construction plan of the pyramid and all. Also, if C14 dating is limited in how far it can point, why it is necessarily used? I understand its use for probing, for checking possibilities, but not as all determining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted November 9, 2010 #184 Share Posted November 9, 2010 I can read English, I understand it. With Russian links, which I gave, I said that you don't have to read them. It's just something I had on hand at the moment. About C14 dating I know, and I also noticed ceramic sequencing in the report, and other considerations. Yet I don't know why it is assumed that charcoal is always used, or ceramics, or any filling between stones, in any construction. And the quality of the construction and its different pieces is also not considered. Thus, so poorly made cave has doubtly any connection to the original construction plan of the pyramid and all. Also, if C14 dating is limited in how far it can point, why it is necessarily used? I understand its use for probing, for checking possibilities, but not as all determining. My compliments on your linguistic skills. Well done! In regards to the cave, I would suggest re-reading (in particular) pages 4-8. There would appear to be little doubt as to its human modification and association with the early stages of the building of the "Pyramid of the Sun". Also note the ritual attributions that have been given to the cave. These should be kept somewhat mentally distinct from other (more elaborate) stone-work. As to C14 dating - I am not sure that I am understanding your question(s) correctly, but will attempt to answer. With the ongoing refinement of AMS technology, radiocarbon dating now has the potential to evaluate organic material that dates to as long ago as 50,000 +/- BP. There are hopes that this may be extended back even a bit further. And don't let anyone bluff you about wild accuracy problems. The varying levels of atmospheric C14 have been a known factor since the 1960's and are continuously being addressed via numerous comparative dating methods. This results in what we term Calibrated Radiocarbon Years Before Present (CALRCYBP). With the afore-mentioned technological advancements, C14 dating provides us with a quite useful tool in regards to dating "recent" human activity. However, scientists are a picky lot. Therefore, corroborative data is routinely sought. This can take many forms. Dendrochronology, ceramic sequencing, palynology studies, sediment and ice coring, genetic divergence, TL, OSL, Argon/Argon etc., etc. It rather depends on the time period under consideration. Then, this data is being rather continuously cross-referenced in order establish time-frames for given areas/regions/continents. I am glossing over some of the geologic data here, as it is not applicable to the case in question. In short, while a single C14 date might not be "all determining", numerous C14 dates that are consistent with each other combined with other methods of dating allow us to evaluate the age of a given component with a surprising degree of accuracy. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nermalfrodo Posted November 23, 2011 #185 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Alright guys, here is what the world will look like with no arctic ice. <img src="http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/spaceart/earthicefree.jpg" border='0' alt='linked-image'> Actually, the world would look MUCH different without any glacial ice. The ocean would rise DRAMATICALLY and would cover a lot of land. The entire planet would be changed and many species would cease to exist, while others would thrive. It would forever change the face of the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 23, 2011 #186 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Actually, the world would look MUCH different without any glacial ice. The ocean would rise DRAMATICALLY and would cover a lot of land. The entire planet would be changed and many species would cease to exist, while others would thrive. It would forever change the face of the planet. Damn, we never thought of that........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser Posted November 26, 2011 #187 Share Posted November 26, 2011 When you are looking on google earth, and see Greenland covered in ice it does look a bit odd and a bit out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario Dantas Posted March 1, 2012 #188 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario Dantas Posted March 1, 2012 #189 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario Dantas Posted March 1, 2012 #190 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Was Atlantis in Greenland? http://a7lan7is.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted March 1, 2012 #191 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Was Atlantis in Greenland? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted March 1, 2012 #192 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Jesus H KrispyKreme, what a waste of electronic storage that was! Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted March 1, 2012 #193 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Was Atlantis in Greenland? http://a7lan7is.blogspot.com Nope we know from the study of plate tectonics that said plates move, at most, a couple of inches per century. Which runs counter to any claim that Greenland has moved 4000+ MILES in the last 12,000 years. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 1, 2012 #194 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Nope we know from the study of plate tectonics that said plates move, at most, a couple of inches per century. Which runs counter to any claim that Greenland has moved 4000+ MILES in the last 12,000 years. cormac For some people plate tectonics is like moving pieces from a puzzle: if it fits, then there is where the piece should belong. If Greenland moved from the Mid-Altlantic to the North Pole like was suggested, we would not be here discussing it. But that is just a 'minor' detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted March 1, 2012 #195 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) For some people plate tectonics is like moving pieces from a puzzle: if it fits, then there is where the piece should belong. If Greenland moved from the Mid-Altlantic to the North Pole like was suggested, we would not be here discussing it. But that is just a 'minor' detail. IF Greenland moved from the Mid-Atlantic we would see a MAJOR change in the layout, or disappearance of, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. That neither exists is rather telling IMO and should be obvious to Mario Dantas. cormac Edited March 1, 2012 by cormac mac airt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted March 1, 2012 #196 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Mario - You are using a series of graphics designed to illustrate quite a number of factors that do not relate to your "proposition". At all. While not a general fan of YouTube, recently recommended this one to another contributor. Please take the time to view the below. Then get back to us. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted March 1, 2012 #197 Share Posted March 1, 2012 You will have to use sign language, Swede. The guy doesn't know how to write words or how to read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted March 1, 2012 #198 Share Posted March 1, 2012 You will have to use sign language, Swede. The guy doesn't know how to write words or how to read them. Apparently. Will not get into the "sign language" that comes to mind. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted March 1, 2012 #199 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of pretty pictures that bear no relationship to the real, scientific workings of plate tectonics. What is this, an exercise in using up bandwidth? How about some dialogue, Mario Dantas? Why not explain what you're posting and try to defend your position? Please feel free to do so. I, however, am removing this one from my Watched Topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted March 2, 2012 #200 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) All these pretty picture's which are bright and colourful,but i have to admit that i am confused as to what, if any relevence they are to this thread. Edited March 2, 2012 by shaddow134 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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