jay123 Posted March 26, 2008 #1 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) Since i've been here, ive seen alot of thread with the title no skeptics aloud and such. I don't understand why rather than understanding both points of view, youd rather just ignore one side and just see it in your way, to be honest, i call that intolerance lets say we replaced the word skeptic with the word christian, or muslim. or psikid. i don't see why skeptics points of view arn't embraced just because they dont fit your side of the argument. So what is it that makes a believer dislike a skeptic? Edited March 26, 2008 by jay123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DfizzleShizzle Posted March 26, 2008 #2 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I usually never put that in my threads...I have only done that, in threads where I need genuine help with psionics, and I dont want the thread to turn into an arguement over whether or not the topic at hand exist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybebe Posted March 26, 2008 #3 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Since i've been here, ive seen alot of thread with the title no skeptics aloud and such. I don't understand why rather than understanding both points of view, youd rather just ignore one side and just see it in your way, to be honest, i call that intolerance lets say we replaced the word skeptic with the word christian, or muslim. or psikid. i don't see why skeptics points of view arn't embraced just because they dont fit your side of the argument. So what is it that makes a believer dislike a skeptic? From what I have observed here, it is more the skeptic's insults that the believers don't want to have on the thread's. When you are called an idiot (or much worse) for having your own opinion, it is hard not to get insulted. If I say I believe in ghosts, why do I need to read how someone tells me I am r******ed and need to go see a psychiatrist? Like I said, it is more of how the skeptic's respond rather than their own beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay123 Posted March 26, 2008 Author #4 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Skeptics beliefs are completly void..lets not forget, there still beliefs, and deserve just as much respect as your own. Atleast skeptics aknowledge threads. exclusion is a far worse insult surely I'm sure if i made a thread titled "no christans please" the be allsorts of comments, lets not paint all skeptics with the same brush is all im saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam12six Posted March 26, 2008 #5 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I agree that there's no reason to call someone names and insult them personally. That said, as a skeptic who wishes he believed, the vast majority of the time skeptics will totally respect your right to your opinion. It's when you state that opinion as fact that people start clamoring for proof - especially when it's on a topic that, by it's very nature, has no proof. What I mean is: If you start a thread stating that you believe people are all interlinked in a huge psychic net, few will show up and call you stupid. On the other hand, if you start a thread telling people , "Here's the exercises I used to develop my telekenetic powers to superhero levels.", people are going to show up and ask why you haven't cleaned up at the roulette tables. The arguments start up when one side claims fact, but refuses to entertain the notion that they should provide some evidence. I think it's not a matter of whether someone believes in bigfoot, aliens, gods, ghosts, or al Queda. It's more of a situation where your beliefs either match those of the person posting the 'fact' or not. If you believe in ghosts, it won't even occur to you to ask for proof is someone says ghosts are everywhere and you have a ghost that turns your car around in your driveway each night. On the other hand, someone who doesn't believe this will think, "If that's true, it should be a simple matter to catch this activity on film." Just imagine if someone showed up and said, "Zeus is alive and well. He regularly throws lightning bolts down from a certain mountain-top." Not believing this, you ask WHY they believe this - they then proceed to claim you're bashing them and add "NO ZEUS HATERS" to all their threads. I believe there are things science will discover proof for that we still consider a mystery today. That said, until solid proof for something exists, it's open to skepticism. From what I have observed here, it is more the skeptic's insults that the believers don't want to have on the thread's. When you are called an idiot (or much worse) for having your own opinion, it is hard not to get insulted. If I say I believe in ghosts, why do I need to read how someone tells me I am r******ed and need to go see a psychiatrist? Like I said, it is more of how the skeptic's respond rather than their own beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfMusic Posted March 26, 2008 #6 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Well, i think it is a bit harsh to say "no skeptics allowed under pain of death" bla bla bla, but it's so offputting when you're trying to get an opinion on something and a load of skeptics turn up and call you an idiot and stupid and start humiliating you. Obviously it's fun to have big debates as that's what this place is all about, but it is NOT fun when you really want to crack psi balls, and there are skeptics sneering at you and insulting you. Maybe there should be two separate forums for metaphysics then. Like one for debates, the other for practitioning. Hopefully we'd all know then what our territory is and skeptics will know that it is not their place to debate. Even though it must be annoying for skeptics with these type of titles, but its unfair to try and crush someone's beliefs, and by calling them this and that. Not all of them obviously, but some of them need to think before they act. Best Wishes, AoM xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay123 Posted March 26, 2008 Author #7 Share Posted March 26, 2008 ^^^^ I've seen no skeptic insult aimed at people who want to crack psi balls, if people want to crack psi balls they need both sides of the story comments are only ever made at the people who "know" psi balls exist, and have long since Cracked Them. thanks for your opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DfizzleShizzle Posted March 26, 2008 #8 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) Ha!!! No skeptic ever crush anyone...Four Words... Let's not inflame the issue by naming specific members, please. Keep your comments generalized to maintain civility. ...Enough said... Edited March 27, 2008 by Magikman Removed specific member name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atheist God Posted March 26, 2008 #9 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Most of the time no one is being insulted just told that their wrong. I acknowledge that everyone has the right to post their opinions and beliefs and I certainly won't tell anyone otherwise but it doesn't meant I have to respect absurd claims of super powers though. If I think someone is lying or just acting like they are a few beers short of a 24 then I will say it. What I try to do is explain why some things just can't be done no matter how much some people want to think otherwise. I try to inject some rationality and logic into various topics, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. All this in an attempt to find out if something exists or not, to find something tangible to work with. There is a difference in believing say moving something with the mind and claiming to do it. If you make the claim you have such a power then don't expect not to be asked to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papaver Posted March 26, 2008 #10 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Quite simply proof is not too much to ask for given the nature of many of the claims I read here. I have never understood why people get upset when asked to prove something because if you really can do it then you should have no problem coming up with the goods. A person who says he can run a four minute mile has no problem proving it, they enter competitions and positively revel in demonstrating their abilities. Paranormal ability claimants don't do that. Why? The other thing I suspect I know the reason for, is that claimants never want to simply put an end to the skepticism they come up against. Often the response to a request for evidence or proof is a simple "I don't have to prove anything to anyone, I know it's real, it's up to me what to I believe" or something similar. I understand not everyone cares what other people think but my experiences in life tell me that there are a great deal of us that really do care what other people think and will do all kinds of things just to prove me wrong and them right. I think that is a part of human nature. I can only come up with one reason that there aren't thousands of people with paranormal abilities proving them outright just to shut us up. I'll leave it up to those reading this to decide what that reason most probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DfizzleShizzle Posted March 26, 2008 #11 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hey papaver, I am one of the few who acrually shows proof...Or tries atleats, you guys are never happy though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papaver Posted March 26, 2008 #12 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) Hey papaver, I am one of the few who acrually shows proof...Or tries atleats, you guys are never happy though... And have I not given you credit for that? You are the only one I've ever found that is even willing to have a go. Edited March 26, 2008 by Papaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay123 Posted March 26, 2008 Author #13 Share Posted March 26, 2008 And have I not given you credit for that? You are the only one I've ever found that is even willing to have a go. what happens in the end when you can't prove it though? were do we go from there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DfizzleShizzle Posted March 26, 2008 #14 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Just makin sure you know... And I was making a cheap imatation... Though he has called me a psi kiddie and a wanna-be x-men countless times...I have heard him say go see a psychiatrst before...He is the most harsh skeptic on this board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atheist God Posted March 26, 2008 #15 Share Posted March 26, 2008 And have I not given you credit for that? You are the only one I've ever found that is even willing to have a go. There was another last year who gave psychic readings to any skeptics or believer alike just because... Anyone willing to back up what they say are far and few in between. Though he has called me a psi kiddie and a wanna-be x-men countless times...I have heard him say go see a psychiatrst before...He is the most harsh skeptic on this board... Well your a kid and you claim to use psi thus the term psi kiddie. Many of the abilities you claim you have are featured in funny books especially X-Men. As for seeing a psychiatrist I don't know enough about you to make the suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbath Posted March 26, 2008 #16 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hey papaver, I am one of the few who acrually shows proof...Or tries atleats, you guys are never happy though... Because the proof I have seen you provide, is debunkable easily. Like I did in that video I made just for you that morning reading your thread. (i.e pin wheel moving while I'm staring at it, even when I leave the room) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veliska Posted March 26, 2008 #17 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yeah I really don't think that is right at all. Really what we both...beleivers and skeptics, really want is answers. Why shut either out? It is very important to have these debates....don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS79 Posted March 26, 2008 #18 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) I agree . These debates encourage both sides to share ideas and think of other possibilities/methods. Hopefully leading to each gaining something from the discussion . and maybe even learning something along the way. Would be pretty boring if we all sat here nodding in agreement all day and night . IMO of course . Edited March 26, 2008 by SS79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted March 26, 2008 #19 Share Posted March 26, 2008 "No skeptics aloud" syndrome Skeptics have to be very quiet? Like in the library? Were you aiming for "allowed" and had a typo, or is this a double entendre that I am not getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahtu Posted March 27, 2008 #20 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Since i've been here, ive seen alot of thread with the title no skeptics aloud and such. I don't understand why rather than understanding both points of view, youd rather just ignore one side and just see it in your way, to be honest, i call that intolerance lets say we replaced the word skeptic with the word christian, or muslim. or psikid. i don't see why skeptics points of view arn't embraced just because they dont fit your side of the argument. So what is it that makes a believer dislike a skeptic? I see your point, but I do not hate or dislike the skeptics. But what makes so many skeptics completely intolerate of believers? The peace and tolerance has to work both ways for anything to be achieved. As far as I'm concerned, any skeptic is alright with me as long as they are willing to have a civilized discussion. It's when they come in blasting me for what I believe that I go on the defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veliska Posted March 27, 2008 #21 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I agree . These debates encourage both sides to share ideas and think of other possibilities/methods. Hopefully leading to each gaining something from the discussion . and maybe even learning something along the way. Would be pretty boring if we all sat here nodding in agreement all day and night . IMO of course . Skeptics have to be very quiet? Like in the library? Were you aiming for "allowed" and had a typo, or is this a double entendre that I am not getting? LOL...I think it is a typo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahtu Posted March 27, 2008 #22 Share Posted March 27, 2008 what happens in the end when you can't prove it though? were do we go from there? Hey, now what happened to "skeptics are never hostile"? I'm pretty sure that you're passing your judgement right there, based on what? The fact that you haven't seen him do it yet? There are skeptics here who don't even like or agree with Heart on anything and many of them still admit that they HOPE he will prove them wrong, instead of shutting him down before even giving him a chance to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahtu Posted March 27, 2008 #23 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Well your a kid and you claim to use psi thus the term psi kiddie. Many of the abilities you claim you have are featured in funny books especially X-Men. As for seeing a psychiatrist I don't know enough about you to make the suggestion. It's when these terms are meant to be used in a derogatory way that the problem arises. Hey, if anybody called me "tornado boy" or "Aang" or anything related to my abilities, i wouldn't be offended if they meant it in a good way, but Eric does not. He's simply doing it for the sake of psion-bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atheist God Posted March 27, 2008 #24 Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) It's when these terms are meant to be used in a derogatory way that the problem arises. Hey, if anybody called me "tornado boy" or "Aang" or anything related to my abilities, i wouldn't be offended if they meant it in a good way, but Eric does not. He's simply doing it for the sake of psion-bashing. How do you know... I haven't seen him really bash anyone but their claims are another matter. What do you think your doing right now in this thread?.... Could it be bashing Eric I think so and while he's not here none the less. Both you and Heart have been. Heart is also not completely innocent in the matter either it goes back and fourth and is almost never just one sided so don't make it appear as such. Would you and your *snip* buddy heart like a little cheese with that whine? Like seriously if all you guys are going to do is complain about other members then i don't think this is the site for you. Stop the whining or simply *snip* if it's so bad here simple as that. I predict the closure of this thread in 3....2....1.... Edited March 27, 2008 by Magikman Removed derogatory comments. Keep your comments civil, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veliska Posted March 27, 2008 #25 Share Posted March 27, 2008 3, 2, 1 Where is Eric?? I haven't seen him in awhile. Anyways...wow! That is all I have too say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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