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Spiritual warfare / Astral Combat

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What is it? / General concepts

DISCLAIMER: Do NOT attempt if you are an amature. You could become physically or spiritually injured. DO NOT DABBLE! If you enter into spiritual warfare or astral combat unprepared you could become possessed or otherwise cause serious harm to yourself or others.

Spiritual warfare:

Spiritual warfare is a blanket term used to describe any dealings or encounters with spiritual beings of a less than friendly nature. It includes such things as: Baptism, deliverance, exorcism, prayer, and so on. The general spiritual warfare that we deal with everyday could be as minor as resisting the temptation to spend money that you could donate to charity on candy; it could also be as major as commanding an evil spirit out of a house or out of a person... complete with power failures and projectile vomiting. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to blame everything bad on demons, its just that they are often involved in the situations that I am discussing.

In the case of baptism, sins are removed from a person, sometimes including minor negative energy entities, and the holy spirit fills in the space left so they cannot come back.

Deliverance is the same except that it is on a larger scale: it often happens soon after baptism, if there are larger and more powerful demons that must be removed to make room for the holy spirit.

An exorcism is similar to deliverance, but is not absolutely tied to baptism. It is very much more forceful removal of evil spirits, and the subject must consent and then agree to make life changes and/ or get baptized; otherwise the demons will come back and bring along friends, making the original situation worse.

In prayer, we often pray against bad things happening of against the actions of demons. We ask God to intervene on our behalf. This type of prayer, or a prayer for someone to get well when an illness is caused by a demon is also spiritual warfare.

There are several books on spiritual warfare, if you like:

A divine revelation of spiritual warfare by Mary k. Baxter

The bondage breaker by Anderson

The spirit world by Rev. Clarence Larkin

I own these two and they are very good books if you want to do more research on it.

Specifics of types of spiritual warfare and examples of their uses

Baptism: A baptism happens when someone makes a personal commitment to change their life for the better and accept the salvation offered to us through Jesus' sacrifice. It is performed on new Christians and old ones alike. One might convert without being baptised, but do it later on when they want to make a more definate commitment. It can be done with the sprinkling of water on the forehead or being submerged in a pool or a river. The symbolism is that we are buried with Jesus and, based on this, many believe that it must be a full submersion to be effective. Some people *coughcatholicscough* believe that you must be baptised to go to heaven. I believe that it is going to help, but not absolutely needed. Since it removes sins that you could also remove by repenting for each and every one of them, it makes the spiritual journey a much easier one.

Deliverance: As I stated before, deliverance is related to baptism. Deliverance will happen when someone capable of performing the deliverance is present and:

A: The subject has a lot of negative energy that is not their own

B: The subject has been baptised or otherwise made a commitment against the dark side

C: The subject is possessed and has asked for the Holy Spirit in one way or another, such as praying for a spiritual gift like tongues.

Not all of these factors need to be in effect, but at least one should be for a deliverance to happen. One does not usually choose to be delivered as they would with an exorcism or a baptism. It may just happen. This is because it happens when we invite the Holy Spirit into us in one way or another, without knowing if there is space for it or not. If there is not, then God will make the space by kicking out demonic energies. Someone qualified to perform a deliverance will be there most of the time; because it is such a person who assists in spiritual growth in a Christian sense, and it almost always happens at times when we want to grow spiritually. Such a person is needed Because they can prevent the demonic energy from attacking someone else, re-entering the subject, or otherwise making a nuciance of itself.

Exorcism: A forced removal of spirits and/or devils, including demons and ghosts from a living host who is possesed or otherwise being harassed by said spirits. A good case is seen in the movie "The Exorcism of Emily Rose". That movie is based on a true story, and well put together. In the ritual itself, a priest or other qualified person will read scripture, pray, and speak to the spirit to be exorcised. Holy water, anointing oil, and religous talismans and symbols will be used. The exorcist will command the spirit out of the subject, and God willing, it will leave. Any observers will become potential targets for the spirit's wrath if they have not been blessed and/or annointed in advance. When the spirit comes out, a physical reaction will happen. For example, the subject may scream or cry and the spirit come out with the tears or sound. Vomiting the spirit out is not uncommon as well. The spirit, now angry, must be sent away; removed from this world back to it's own. A second stage of exorcism is performed, where the spirit is commanded out of our world. Failing this, it is usually possible to command it from the house or property, and bind it from harming the subject ever again. This indirectly brings me to another form of exorcism, in wich the second stage is the only one performed. It is a casting out of evil spirits from a home or property. There is no possession of a person in these cases. It most closely resembles a mild to severe haunting by evil spirits, and is actually easier to perform than a body exorcism. As I mentioned before, you need to be possessed to have an exorcism. There are more ways to become possessed than most people realise. Here are some examples: In voodoo ritualls, the participants deliberately allow themseves to become possessed; Any form of channeling allows a person to become possessed, because the spirit must enter you for it to work, and there is no guarantee that it will leave afterwords; ouija or spirit boards are a form of channeling, and participants regularly become possessed; Tarot can cause possession in certain cases (please do not jump my case for this, its actually a rare one, but it DOES happen); Practicing any witchcraft, druidic, wiccan, new age, pagan, or satanic religons can attract unwanted spiritual attention as well (I am not trying to disrespect those of you who may be a part of these faiths, and I am sorry if I have, so if you question me on this please keep it nice and polite or pm me).

Astral combat:

This refers to actually fighting evil spirits on their own plane of existence. It can happen while meditating in a dream like state, while asleep, or otherwise astral projecting or having an out of body experience. There are several types of astral combat, and I will try to cover them all. feel free to post any questions or even pm me.

Energy contests:

An energy contest can happen between humans or human vs spirit. It involves focusing your energy to overcome your opponent. If you can focus the energy of your own soul and aura, you can then project that energy and attempt to engulf an enemy in it. In these contests whomever has the strongest combination of energy, knowledge, and force of will is most likely to win. Keep in mind that since spirits live astrally 24/7 they always have a greater knowledge with extremely few minor exceptions.

Projected weapon:

This works similarly to the energy contest, but the combatants form their spirit energy into weapons and weapon-like forms and battle each other after the fashion of the physical world. Energy, knowledge, and force of will are again the main determining factors, but skill plays a larger role than it does in a basic energy contest. Typical weapons are swords and dagger-like bladed weapons.

Realistic battles:

These appear to be normal battles as one would have in the physical realm, with some dream-like qualities to it. It takes place in a pocket dimension in the spirit world that is constructed by thoughts, emotions and memories of the combatants. It could appear to be in any time frame, but in my experience medieval settings are most common. Opponents look human, though they are often spirits. In fact it is very rare for two human souls to battle this way. These can be so realistic, that upon waking, one might suffer physical symptoms similar to those experienced during a panic attack: rapid pulse, irrational fear, shaking, inability to speak, and others. These are almost always temporary; in fact, I have only heard of one case where permanent physical damage was done.

Supernatural battles:

These can appear almost exactly the same and have the same effects as the realistic battles. The difference is that there are more than just minor dream-like qualities to it. Spirits may appear in their true forms, one might battle against monsters. Otherworldly weapons may be involved. These can be extremely strange, scary, and possibly dangerous. It is the most dangerous form of astral combat; for example, a demon in its true form could cause lasting damage; damage it would not do if it was in a realistic battle in human form. You could expect to fight shadow monsters, wizards, dragons, or any number of other bizzare and deadly creatures here. AVOID if at all possible. If you realize you are in an astral battle, you can easily flee to your body. Its just like waking up from a lucid dream.

Specifics of types of astral combat and examples of their uses

Energy contests: These are very basic and happen all the time. Ever fight off an urge to do something you would not normally do? If so then you have fought and won an energy contest. It helps to picture your own energy aura, then try to find the energy trying to get through it. Picture how your aura moves, and try to see the opposing one if you can. You can, by concentrating, control how your aura moves, and focus it upon the area being attacked. Concetrate your aura in any weak points. It will seem to become thicker or darker, less likely to let anything in. Shielding will be exceptionally useful in this battle, so use it if you know how. (A shielding tutorial will be coming soon after this one). Once you determine where the attack is coming from, focus your aura in that direction, sending your energy to overcome it. If the other combatant does not give up and leave, your energy will strike it, causing it to weaken until it is forced away. Maintaining concentration is a key factor in successful energy contests.

Projected weapon: As I stated above, this is almost the same as an energy contest. A key difference is that it happens astrally or in a meditative state more often than not. You will often see your opponent, and even seem to fight them as you might fight someone in the physical realm. The weapons used will be spiritual ones. Often, energy balls will be used as weapons, and shielding can be key to success. Someone's spiritual weapon will likely be the same color as their aura, and translucent (like a lightsaber). This is almost always going to be a one on one battle. There can be physical reactions to the battle, such as shaking; or flinching as if physically hit. There will be no physical damage from the battle, unless a twitch of the body causes you to strike an object in the physical.

I hope this helps (and is in the right sub-forum).

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Rade

I was very much into this astral combat when I was in my early teens, though most of my opponents seemed to be spiritual byproducts of those around me, and I was forever designing new weapons to use on them. Although in one dream I had, there was a spirit of a man who appeared to have a very negative nature, so I tried to remove him. The 'weapon' I used most commonly back then was a large spiked vice, and was used within the essence of the spirit or whatever, and this always caused the most harm.

I hadn't actually ever 'killed' a spirit before this, but had only just pushed them out of whatever plane I happened to be in. Though with this man I recall being in a very mean mindset, with an aim to harm and cause pain as much as possible, so I gripped his essence as tightly as possible and squeezed. Having a delightedly malicious manner before, he suddenly changed to a forlorn and half-crying creature I felt horrified at even approaching with a mind to remove. I particularly remember him saying something like, 'please don't,' but I just went ahead and he just sort of popped, leaving a definite sense of 'empty'.

(I am ALWAYS in the back of my mind doubtful of whether things actually happen spiritually, but after this I just felt sick and horrible. Take this post with a grain of salt, it's just something that stood out in my mind from my recollections of spiritual adventures. Badly worded, too!) -_-

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Mr Walker

Interesting.

I was with you, until you got to astral travel. I have some difficulties with this because i could construct exactly the same scenarios from my own life and yet i know they would be creations of my self.

I have had many different psychic adventures/experiencesover my life time. Certainly obe is one form which can be verified through independent witnesses and research as actually happening. But astral travel i find difficulty with.

I admit this difficulty grows from my own experience. From very early childhood, i constructed increasingly complex lucid dream scapes of many shapes and forms. These were often sequential, populated by regular characters, and as real as the actual world i occupied.

However, i knew and understood that what i was constructing was a construct created through the power of linking my conscious will to my subconscious mind. For example, your mind is capable of creating a weapon powerful enough to defeat anything thrown against it, and armour which will do the same. It only has to recognise both consciously and subconsciously that this is true.

I read books about astral/spirit warriors and i constructed all the scenarios you talk about in my own mind, and played them out regularly each night

However i also constructed ; batttle dragons, llght sail ships ,pocket universes populated first by intelligent animals and later by beautiful but less intelligent women, and a host of other scenarios based on extensive reading and the very first television programmes.

Whether irts rea,l or controlled lucid dreaming, im not knocking it. I have the most fun of my life in all these scenarios and with no physical risk. I never encountered anything like it in the waking world, until i started playing wow at the age of 56. This is the closest approximation to the worlds i created in my mind/dreams , that i have ever come across. it even has talking animals , portals between the pocket universes and many of the other features i built into my dreams from the late 1950's onwards.

I still do some of the lucid dreaming ,but it becomes more difficult as the ego becomes more established, and as the mundane reality of the "real" world forces itself upon your waking consciousness. Until i was well into my teenage years, my dream life, while a lot more interesting, was indistiguishable in quality/reality from my waking life. While the quality of my dreams remains very realistic, i am now fully aware of what they are, and the mechanisms by which i create and control them.

Thus, personaly, i know that my mind is capable of self creating all the things you talk about. Doubtless there are other people who can do the same.

This does not mean that I completely disbelieve ,or deny, the reality of which you speak, it is just that my personal experience has made me a little more skeptical of this particular form of psychic ability.

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Electra Rain
I was very much into this astral combat when I was in my early teens, though most of my opponents seemed to be spiritual byproducts of those around me, and I was forever designing new weapons to use on them. Although in one dream I had, there was a spirit of a man who appeared to have a very negative nature, so I tried to remove him. The 'weapon' I used most commonly back then was a large spiked vice, and was used within the essence of the spirit or whatever, and this always caused the most harm.

I hadn't actually ever 'killed' a spirit before this, but had only just pushed them out of whatever plane I happened to be in. Though with this man I recall being in a very mean mindset, with an aim to harm and cause pain as much as possible, so I gripped his essence as tightly as possible and squeezed. Having a delightedly malicious manner before, he suddenly changed to a forlorn and half-crying creature I felt horrified at even approaching with a mind to remove. I particularly remember him saying something like, 'please don't,' but I just went ahead and he just sort of popped, leaving a definite sense of 'empty'.

(I am ALWAYS in the back of my mind doubtful of whether things actually happen spiritually, but after this I just felt sick and horrible. Take this post with a grain of salt, it's just something that stood out in my mind from my recollections of spiritual adventures. Badly worded, too!) -_-

You had a battle with a shaman, thoes are very power beings, with shape shifting abilities.... I've been visited a few times from one of these shaman's, he handed me a snake that bit me and according to native spirituality being bit by a snake in a dream is being infused with wisdom...

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bleedingelite

give me a break.

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Sporkling

This thread is very enlightning.

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Pteriax
give me a break.

Ok, you do not need to believe it, understand it, or read it. I promise I will not force you to.

This thread is very enlightning.

Thank you. Any particular bit catch your eye? I have put a lot of years of research and experience into it.

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Radian

Very interesting post!

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Sporkling

I like the bit about fighting. Spiritual creatures. Can use use a bolt of energy to fight them?

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Radian

Well, imo, every bit of it makes perfect sense-

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goof321

this sounds pretty interesting ive always wanted to astral travel,but never really understood on how to do it.any tips or instructions you could give me and maybe u could explain alot of other stuff to ssince im sorta new with the whole astral projection thing

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Pteriax
I like the bit about fighting. Spiritual creatures. Can use use a bolt of energy to fight them?

Your own spirit energy can be formed into a projectile as easily as a sword, so yes.

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Pteriax
this sounds pretty interesting ive always wanted to astral travel,but never really understood on how to do it.any tips or instructions you could give me and maybe u could explain alot of other stuff to ssince im sorta new with the whole astral projection thing

I am sorry, I do not teach classes, especially not online. I suppose I would be open to teaching someone, but a lot of learning about the spiritual risks would be done before we even started on projecting; and I would only do it in person.

My advice to you is to be extremely careful, and take what people tell you about it with a grain of salt; there are a lot of so-called experts out there who would lead you astray. Many of them have achieved "lucid dreaming" and mistake it for true astral projection.

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Papaver

Just when I thought I'd heard it all this thread popped up.

Are you people serious about this stuff or is it like some kind of fanatasy game like Dungeons and Dragons game but based in the spirit realm, or do people really believe they do all this in their spare time for real?

I can't make my mindup.

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Pteriax
Just when I thought I'd heard it all this thread popped up.

Are you people serious about this stuff or is it like some kind of fanatasy game like Dungeons and Dragons game but based in the spirit realm, or do people really believe they do all this in their spare time for real?

I can't make my mindup.

Nothing to do with a game.

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20SEP2008
Nothing to do with a game.

I've gone into a few "battle's" if you will. But you are all going into the wrong path. At first I thought of using "weapons" and what I realized after a dozen of these incidents was that attacking was pointless and you need to use a defense that would make the opponent inflict damage on themselves.

You should never attack, it brings more problems.

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Pteriax
I've gone into a few "battle's" if you will. But you are all going into the wrong path. At first I thought of using "weapons" and what I realized after a dozen of these incidents was that attacking was pointless and you need to use a defense that would make the opponent inflict damage on themselves.

You should never attack, it brings more problems.

Depends on the opponent. And the situation. One should not throw around such an absolute term as "never" casually. Weapons can be used defensively, and usually are, I must add.

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20SEP2008
Depends on the opponent. And the situation. One should not throw around such an absolute term as "never" casually. Weapons can be used defensively, and usually are, I must add.

You don't understand. Never mind.

Maybe I didn't say it right.

In general, I don't like the words "enemy" "opponent" "weapons" all of those terms and more stated here.

They are over simplified and give the wrong meaning. We need a new language.

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Pteriax
You don't understand. Never mind.

Maybe I didn't say it right.

In general, I don't like the words "enemy" "opponent" "weapons" all of those terms and more stated here.

They are over simplified and give the wrong meaning. We need a new language.

Our existing language adequately gives meaning to those words- the meaning I intended for them to have in the context I used them.

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Mr Walker
Just when I thought I'd heard it all this thread popped up.

Are you people serious about this stuff or is it like some kind of fanatasy game like Dungeons and Dragons game but based in the spirit realm, or do people really believe they do all this in their spare time for real?

I can't make my mindup.

It is a real experience for some. I tend to think it is probably an extension of controlled lucid dreaming where we create the scenarios and characters in our own subconscious, after which they often seem to take on a life of their own.

Pterjax thinks it is a part of the real world which can be shared with others, ie has an independent reality. This is possible, but unlike other forms of obe it is almost impossible to obtain independent evidence for/verification of.

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Pteriax
It is a real experience for some. I tend to think it is probably an extension of controlled lucid dreaming where we create the scenarios and characters in our own subconscious, after which they often seem to take on a life of their own.

Pterjax thinks it is a part of the real world which can be shared with others, ie has an independent reality. This is possible, but unlike other forms of obe it is almost impossible to obtain independent evidence for/verification of.

Many people confuse astral projecting with lucid dreaming. The key difference being that lucid dreaming is safe. One may actually be harmed during astral projecting. And, yes it would be nearly impossible to prove... but, then I did not set out to prove it, either.

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Dayne

Well I know I've had a spontaneous astral projection experience where I was completely awake, lying down with my eyes closed just relaxing. The next thing I knew I was floating above my body held back by the ceiling and looking at myself. I wasn't dreaming, on medication, drinking or mentallly ill. It was just such a deep state of relaxation that it natually happened.

I don't doubt that one can practice this until you can control your experience, not sure if I'd want to. My experience was enough for me but I can understand how others might want to explore this further.

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Mr Walker

Apart from controlled lucid dreaming, I have also encountered (without consciously seeking) a number of verified obe's.

The first was in my teenage years and they spread across the next 40 or so years. They are almost impossible to differentiate from lucid dreaming except in some cases. These are the cases where you "visit " and see or hear events which are occuring in the real world at the time you are dreaming of them. These are yhe only verifiable claims for obes I make although there may be many other "lucid dreams" which are in actuality obes. I just cant find any external evidence or witnesses to support them.

The first one got me in so much trouble that i rarely discuss them in the real world. Ive gone through them in detail so wont repeat them here. The point is that these can be confirmed by independent witnesses. Astral travel is not your usual obe, as it involves travel to another dimension or astral plane. These experiences, like lucid dreams, and obes, are as real as life in the real world, and thus also indistinguishable from each other and from reality.

My problem with astral travel is only that it is almost impossible to verify, with one exception, which is not classic astral travel at all. I once had a friend who shared many of my interests and experiences. After a lot of practice, training, and experimentation, we very occasionally managed to enter each others dreams.

Now i know for sure that i met him in my dreamscapes and interacted with him. I only have his word for it, that at the same time he was dreaming of meeting me in the same dreamscape and sharing the same dream. I trust him and this along with my other confirmed experiences suggests that we did travel into a common landscape and share experiences,. I do not put this out there with obe experiences however because there can be no independent verification.

Only on two occasions did we both write down and seal our dreams, then exchange the envelopes. In those two cases the dreams were virtually identically. In one we were riding racing dragons high in the mountain air flying against each other and competing in acrobatic maneouvers. In the other we were on a flying carpet in one of my favourite fantasy worlds, a desert planet inhabited by creatures who lived like bedouin nomads, or perhaps people from the arabian nights, but resembled giant bears. (hey who said constructed dreamscapes have to be logical)

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Papaver
Many people confuse astral projecting with lucid dreaming. The key difference being that lucid dreaming is safe. One may actually be harmed during astral projecting. And, yes it would be nearly impossible to prove... but, then I did not set out to prove it, either.

I have no problem with accepting lucid dreaming. The idea that one can be conscious and able to think and manipulate things whilst in a dream state (entirely in one's own mind, not externally) is both very cool and entirely within the realm of reality.

I do however have my doubts that "One may actually be harmed during astral projecting". Can you explain further or give me an example of harm done to somebody whilst doing this?

Also, what does it feel like to astrally project? Where do you go?

Sorry for all these questions but this sounds interesting.

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eight bits

Hey, Pap.

You might want to check out the mother of all AP-OBE threads,

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=60199

and maybe visit Ziggy's, the OP's, small forum (URL in his sig).

Ziggy is a good correspondent, sensitive to the the epistemological issues in distinguishing vivid dreams from actual detachments of perception from its physical substrate. He also has the maturity to confront head-on obvious and deflating hypotheses, such as if someone's dreams have the look and feel of fantasy role-playing games, then maybe they are just that.

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