Prophecy

[Guyver]

Prophecy - The ability to foretell the future. I'm assuming that skeptics would say that the ability to accurately predict or foretell future events is an impossibilty or an extreme mathematical improbability. Is this correct? What if someone were able to accurately predict the future? What if someone could tell you that something or some event would happen days, weeks, months, years, decades, or centuries before it did? Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

[darkmoonlady]

Well first of all I wouldn't call it prophesy I'd call it precognition. Prophesy has sort of a religious attachment to it, and basically says that god has something to do with it, which I'm not convinced of.

Time is only supposed to move in one direction according to physics, making it nigh impossible to predict the future with any sort of repeatable accuracy. That being said I don't disbelieve it, I've experienced it myself and can only explain it as we have not tapped into the brain's abilities to do certain things, precognition being one of them. So I'd say it is possible just not quantifiyable as of yet...

[will_1835]

Prophecy - The ability to foretell the future. I'm assuming that skeptics would say that the ability to accurately predict or foretell future events is an impossibilty or an extreme mathematical improbability. Is this correct? What if someone were able to accurately predict the future? What if someone could tell you that something or some event would happen days, weeks, months, years, decades, or centuries before it did? Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

Well, I'm a sceptic. But I'm also open-minded. And there's definately something else out there. Than just the physical. I have ideas. But I can't say I know anything to be true. But I do consider it a fact that there is something. I've seen too many things in my life to believe otherwise.

You're not a prophet are you?

[Condescending]

Prophecy - The ability to foretell the future. I'm assuming that skeptics would say that the ability to accurately predict or foretell future events is an impossibilty or an extreme mathematical improbability. Is this correct? What if someone were able to accurately predict the future? What if someone could tell you that something or some event would happen days, weeks, months, years, decades, or centuries before it did? Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

The ability to see the future sounds like the ability of something divine. So would someone being able to see into the future not eliminate part of what would seperate us from such abilities. If we could see into the future what need would we have of divinity?

I think it might work reversed, because if a believer saw humans control divine abilities it would make divine beings more equal and less worthy of worship.

[Lady Otterwynnd]

Prophecy - The ability to foretell the future. I'm assuming that skeptics would say that the ability to accurately predict or foretell future events is an impossibilty or an extreme mathematical improbability. Is this correct? What if someone were able to accurately predict the future? What if someone could tell you that something or some event would happen days, weeks, months, years, decades, or centuries before it did? Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

Not to be condescending, but that's quite a big "what if?". Is there any prophecy like this that explains a) EXACTLY what is going to happen with NO metaphors, interpretations, or symbology and B ) that gives the EXACT time of when this event will happen, down to the very date? No. There isn't. Nearly ALL prophecies are vague and can be interpreted differently from individual to individual. Nearly ALL prophecies contain symbols and metaphors which are interpreted differently by everyone. Nearly ALL prophecies DO NOT give the exact time of when an event is going to happen. So, we can assume that people who are giving prophecies of the end of the world, etc. are not real prophecies but mere logical guesses based on the situations the prophets are in. However, that's not to say people cannot gain information through intuition. Clairvoyance meets both expectations of a "verifiable" prophecy, down to the date and the exact event. So, are modern psychics more accurate than ancient prophets? Probably. Could prophecy in itself just be a form of clairvoyance that anyone can develop? Sure, why not?

Edited April 17, 2008 by Lady Otterwynnd

[Belle.]

Prophecy - The ability to foretell the future. I'm assuming that skeptics would say that the ability to accurately predict or foretell future events is an impossibilty or an extreme mathematical improbability. Is this correct? What if someone were able to accurately predict the future? What if someone could tell you that something or some event would happen days, weeks, months, years, decades, or centuries before it did? Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

If it was truly prophecy - not just vague references/guesses or building on obvious past present future predictors - sure it would convince me that there may be more to life than meets the eye.

Yeti have you got some prophecies to share? Don't be shy now!

I even started a thread for people to put them in! (and yes some are very bizarre)

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...=121663&hl=

Edited April 17, 2008 by Belle.

[TheKnight]

Prophecy - The ability to foretell the future. I'm assuming that skeptics would say that the ability to accurately predict or foretell future events is an impossibilty or an extreme mathematical improbability. Is this correct? What if someone were able to accurately predict the future? What if someone could tell you that something or some event would happen days, weeks, months, years, decades, or centuries before it did? Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

In Judaism, prophecy has very little to do with telling the future. A prophet's MAIN purpose is to deliver a message from God to the people he/she is sent.

[Guyver]

If it was truly prophecy - not just vague references/guesses or building on obvious past present future predictors - sure it would convince me that there may be more to life than meets the eye.

Yeti have you got some prophecies to share? Don't be shy now!

I even started a thread for people to put them in! (and yes some are very bizarre)

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...=121663&hl=

Well Belle, I'm not trying to steal any thunder from your thread - but yes, I do have some personal experiences with the matter and I wouldn't mind sharing one. Also, please let me say that I'm not talking about vague generalities like Nostradamos's "Himmler" or Madame Cloe's tall dark and handsom. I'm talking actual sure fire predictions, prophecies if you will that are accurate and specific with identifiable results. I would also like to share some from the past and some from the present at some point that are measureable and will make you wonder.

First one of mine - about seventeen years ago I went to a friends church to hear a missionary speak. He was someone I knew of and had followed his ministry, but he didn't know me. After the service (worship and sermon) he felt led to pray for certain people. At some point he had a "word of knowledge" (a form of prophecy and gift of the Spirit) as defined in 1 Cor 12:1-11. This "word" was specific to a skin condition that I had on my hands for over ten years. I had been to doctors (even specialists) and none could help. They diagnosed me as atopic or suffering from a form of extreme contact dermititis. In any event, my hands were wack and would bleed when often. This was especially humiliating for me as a musician (guitar player). Anyway, the guy prayed for my hands. I felt a wonderful sense of "something" electric wash over me. Afterwards, I looked at my hands, nothing had changed. The next morning I awoke and noticed the healing. My hands were like brand new! All these years have passed and I have never had another problem with my hands. I still continue to play music to this day and I don't have the problem at all. Coincidence? I think not.

[Belle.]

Well Belle, I'm not trying to steal any thunder from your thread - but yes, I do have some personal experiences with the matter and I wouldn't mind sharing one. Also, please let me say that I'm not talking about vague generalities like Nostradamos's "Himmler" or Madame Cloe's tall dark and handsom. I'm talking actual sure fire predictions, prophecies if you will that are accurate and specific with identifiable results. I would also like to share some from the past and some from the present at some point that are measureable and will make you wonder.

Yeti, I am very impatient and hope you are not trying to create a 'slow burn' build up thread where you reveal them one by one to try and knock our socks off! Lay your cards on the table

First one of mine - about seventeen years ago I went to a friends church to hear a missionary speak. He was someone I knew of and had followed his ministry, but he didn't know me. After the service (worship and sermon) he felt led to pray for certain people. At some point he had a "word of knowledge" (a form of prophecy and gift of the Spirit) as defined in 1 Cor 12:1-11. This "word" was specific to a skin condition that I had on my hands for over ten years. I had been to doctors (even specialists) and none could help. They diagnosed me as atopic or suffering from a form of extreme contact dermititis. In any event, my hands were wack and would bleed when often. This was especially humiliating for me as a musician (guitar player). Anyway, the guy prayed for my hands. I felt a wonderful sense of "something" electric wash over me. Afterwards, I looked at my hands, nothing had changed. The next morning I awoke and noticed the healing. My hands were like brand new! All these years have passed and I have never had another problem with my hands. I still continue to play music to this day and I don't have the problem at all. Coincidence? I think not.

But is this prophesy? Wouldn't that be some sort of holy spirit healing?

[Mademoiselle]

Some people are very "intuitive" .. does that count ?

[Guyver]

Belle - you make me laugh! I think you nailed it. It was a prophecy and not just a healing because the guy spoke to the crowd and said something like "I'm seeing a problem with the fingerpads... they're split and there's some problem. God's going to heal that condition." I think that's all he said, but that's when I felt this really cool feeling come over me. It's hard to explain but it just felt really good.

Another prophecy I'd like you to consider is the assasination attempt of Yitzak Rabin. I'm no expert on bible codes, and I admit that I got this one from a show on the Discovery Channel or History Channel or which, I don't remember. Apparently, some guys in Israel working bible codes discovered a "prophecy" hidden in the scriptures. I assume people have already heard of the bible codes and understand the procedures behind it. They discovered that there would be an assiassination attempt on Rabin. They went to the Israeli Defense Minister with the information and were laughed out of town. They persisted and tried to warn but to no avail. Some time later Rabin was dead.

[Rosewin]

That would indeed be classified as the gift of healing as given by the Spirit. The gift of prophecy as given by the Spirit as related in 1 Corinthians is only for the purpose of strengthening, encouraging, and comfort of the church (not necessarily a group in a brick and mortar building).

The times I have heard prophecy, that is the voice of God speaking through one, it was a very distinct feeling. Everyone is usually praising God, it can be quiet praise, or more excited praise, but the same thing happens each time. Everyone who is praising feels the presence of the Lord sweep through the church, an intense feeling, sort of like the chill that runs down the spine but refuses to leave but only intensifies, not in fear at all. If the church was loud, each one in their song or their prayers, it is as if everyone quiets down at the exact same moment without warning, then seconds later the voice of God is hear by all.

It is usually only something along the lines of have more faith or you need to pray more for those who do not pray cannot grow and become weak in the Spirit. While these things might seem trivial to a believer they are of prime importance. Not everyone can be a prophet in this manner and anyone choosing just to talk loud would not be believed nor would they be able to have the crowd quiet down when it is louder moments before they speak because only the Spirit of the Lord can do such. Usually it is only one or two who can prophecy and it does not happen alot. It is never predictions of the future or words to scare anyone.

It is magic, real and true, for the one who is in the presence of the Lord.

[Guyver]

The bible is a book filled with prophecy. From the prophets of old, to the modern Christians of this day who can still see this gift working in their lives. Prophecy and especially fulfilled prophecies are what differentiate the bible from other holy books. In the Old Testament God spoke to his people through prophets. He also spoke to the future. He foretold events. There are over 300 Old Testament bible prophecies regarding Jesus alone. I posted some of these prophecies in my Easter thread on this forum right around Easter.

Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem around 33 a.d. His disciples marvelled at the sight of the beautiful temple and Jesus said, "Do you see all these things? Assuredly I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." We know this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 a.d.

The Apostle Paul made a prophecy that came to pass immediatly. (Acts)

6 Now when they had gone through the island to Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7 who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man. This man called for Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, "O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time."

And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had been done, being astonished at the teaching of the Lord.

There are many other New Testament examples (too many to list) of this gift of prophecy. If even one of these events were true, wouldn't that give you cause to consider the possibility of the bible being more than a work of fiction?

Here's a link to some you should look at.

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml

All you have to do is Google bible prophecy fulfilled and you can check it out for yourself.

Lastly, there are alot of prophecies that deal with the end times. One I heard recently stated that we are only 1 Pope away from these events. I have already made my own prophecy (prediction really) because I don't claim to be a prophet, that the temple in Jerusalem will be re-built in the near future. I would like to hear your discussions on these matters. Regards.

[Rosewin]

Aye, there is other types of prophecy from God but the type spoken in 1 Corinthians 12-14 has nothing to do with predicting the future but only edifying the church. I would cast a weary eye on other prophets who claim they can see the future and ponder on not only the source of their knowledge but their intentions. It does a Christian no service or disservice to his salvation if someone claims they are talking to God and God told them to let believers know that on such and such day this shall occur.

The Spirit as it works through us and gives to us according to how it sees fit is only concerned with Spiritual matters and not matters of the flesh or of this world which is only temporary for we are only passing through. It is not concerned with the affairs of the planet, politics, or catastrophic events in how they can effect the globe. Modern people who claim these things usually are in it for the money or the attention and power that both bring. If their intent is to put fear then anyone can claim they are Christian and saved to avert such and such disaster but if the Spirit is not working in them then they are not truly prepared and their changes made through fear are not the true changes made through the Spirit.

This does not negate in anyways the other types of prophecy made by the Old Testament prophets, Jesus, and the apostles when they spoke about future events, some which have long passed now. I am not denying that it is not possible that God would give knowledge of the future to someone but I do not think he would give it to as many of the charlatans that claim He has given to them any knowledge. They are usually sensationalist and if their is any validity whatsoever in their words I would find them highly suspect only because we know a tree by its fruit.

Edited April 17, 2008 by Clovis

[norwood1026]

Prophecy is nothing else then an edcuated guess history repeats itself so looking into the past one is able to see the future.

[Emma_Acid]

Would this cause you to re-think your position of skepticism on spiritual matters? Would this be enough to convince you that there may be more to this life than meets the eye?

Well of course it would, in the same way that a huge hand coming down to earth and lifting me up to heaven would make me believe in God. This isn't going to happen however, and neither is a scientific validation of prophecy or fortune telling.

Afterwards, I looked at my hands, nothing had changed. The next morning I awoke and noticed the healing. My hands were like brand new! All these years have passed and I have never had another problem with my hands. I still continue to play music to this day and I don't have the problem at all. Coincidence? I think not.

Thats it???? Thats your proof of prophecy being real????

Firstly, that isn't prophecy. Second, just because x follows y, if doesn't mean that y caused x. Again, you're presenting proof of nothing.

Apparently, some guys in Israel working bible codes discovered a "prophecy" hidden in the scriptures.

Apparently you haven't done any research into this at all. Bible codes are one of the biggest and most blatant frauds around, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why (and here I will present what you so often don't - objective evidence):

The codes in The Bible Code are what's called Equidistant Letter Spacing, or ELS. A very simple example of this is the word troops. Take every other letter, and you'll get the word top. The word top is said to be encoded within the word troops as an ELS with a "skip" of 2.

Now imagine a sentence written out in a grid, without spaces or punctuation, like a giant crossword puzzle with no black squares. A word encoded in this manner will appear in a line, vertically, diagonally, or horizontally, and it can even skip squares. It will often be at an angle something like a knight's move, like 4 squares up and 1 square to the left. With a large enough block of text, it's possible to find just about any word.

Add a computer to the mix to do brute force crunching of all the possibilities, and you'll be surprised at how many words crop up. Short words are everywhere. Each time you add a letter to make your target word longer, the number of hits drops dramatically. It's rare to find a word of 7 or more letters.

Now that you know how to find words encoded within a text, what about sentences? Followers of the Bible Code methodology take a pretty liberal approach to this. It is not necessary to find the entire sentence as one long ELS string; that's impossible. All you have to do is find words that appear on the grid near each other, usually near enough to all be viewed on the same grid (but you can make your grid as large as you prefer). Words can go in different directions with different skips. There are no rules governing this process, it's completely up to the individual to decide which words to search for within a text, and then place them in the desired order.

ref.

We have performed many independent scientific tests of the Bible Codes claims. All of them failed to detect anything not easily explained by random chance.

Other ref.

Bible codes are just stupid - all it shows is that if you have a big enough pool of words, you can mix and match some together to find a sentence. And finding a sentence that desribes something that has already happened is not a prophecy.

Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem around 33 a.d. His disciples marvelled at the sight of the beautiful temple and Jesus said, "Do you see all these things? Assuredly I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." We know this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 a.d.

Again, it isn't prophecy if its written after the event. If the book containing the description of Jesus's saying was written after 70 AD (and there is no reason to think it wasn't), then there is no reason to believe that it was the prophecy that came first and the event second.

[Rosewin]

Pascal believed the Old Testament was a cipher. Newton thought the whole universe was a cipher.

The great rabbis experiment went through several iterations but was eventually published (1994) in the peer-reviewed journal Statistical Science. Prior to publication the journal's editor Robert Kass subjected the paper to an unprecedented three successive peer reviews by the journal's referees, who according to Kass were "baffled". Though still skeptical, none of the reviewers had found any flaws. Understanding that the paper was certain to generate controversy, it was presented to readers in the context of a "challenging puzzle".

Witztum and Rips also performed other experiments, most of them successful, though none were published in journals. Another experiment, in which the names of the famous rabbis were matched against the places of their births and deaths (rather than the dates), was conducted by Harold Gans, Senior Cryptologic Mathematician for the United States National Security Agency. Again, the results were interpreted as being meaningful and thus suggestive of a more than chance result. These Bible codes became known to the public primarily due to the American journalist Michael Drosnin, whose book The Bible Code (Simon and Schuster, 1997) was a best-seller in many countries.

Nonetheless, the use and publication of "predictions" based on Bible codes has succeeded in bringing about popular awareness of the codes, most notably based on the work of journalist Michael Drosnin. Drosnin, who says he is "not at all religious" and does not believe in God, has offered speculations on the source of the codes but no answers, saying "I'm a reporter and can't go past the hard evidence. There is a code, therefore there is an encoder. I don't know who or what it/he/she is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

Edited April 17, 2008 by Clovis

[eight bits]

Statistical Science later published a refutation. This is discussed, with downloads, here:

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/StatSci/

Apart from selective reporting of the state of the literature, this incident reveals misunderstanding about scientific publication.

Different journals have different editorial objectives. Statistical Science is not usually a forum for first publication of research results. It is devoted to the history and philosophy of statistics and allied disciplines, such as epistemology. Much of its contents consists of review articles, including reviews of matters of current controversy that might interest an audience of statisticians and others concerned with that subject.

The standards for peer review in any journal turn on whether a submitted article conforms to the editorial standards of the specific journal. "Peer review" does not necessarily reflect endorsement of the findings of a paper, nor agreement with the authors' interpretation of their findings.

In this case, the 1994 referees convinced the editors that the paper contained material worthy of discussion among professional scholars. In the natural course of that discussion, a refutation appeared in 1999, which is fairly prompt by the standards of archival hardcopy publication.

[Emma_Acid]

Pascal believed the Old Testament was a cipher. Newton thought the whole universe was a cipher.

So? Again, why do you say this stuff? Its not proving anything.

Witztum and Rips also performed other experiments, most of them successful, though none were published in journals.

Really? Funny how the succesful ones aren't published, but the ones that are published come up with nothing but noise.

And they might well have been "successful", but thats meaningless - the whole premise of bible codes is so loose that the resutls can be interpreted to mean anything:

McKay claimed that Drosnin had used the flexibility of Hebrew orthography to his advantage, freely mixing classic (no vowels, Y and W strictly consonant) and modern (Y and W used to indicate i and u vowels) modes, as well as variances in spelling of K and T, to reach the desired meaning. John Safran and McKay again demonstrated the 'tuning' technique, demonstrating that these techniques could produce "evidence" of the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York in the lyrics of Vanilla Ice's repertoire.

(from wiki)

Edited April 17, 2008 by Emma_Acid_88

[Rosewin]

The natural course of discussion did not end simply with the 1999 refute as the final word on the matter. It was just another part in a lengthy discourse between WRR and MBBK which ended sourly.

After a series of exchanges with McKay and Bar-Hillel, WRR author Witztum responded in a new paper claiming that McKay had used smoke screen tactics in creating several Straw Man arguments, and thereby avoided the points made by WRR authors refuting MBBK. Witztum also claimed that, upon interviewing a key independent expert contracted by McKay for the MBBK paper, that some experiments performed for MBBK had validated, rather than refuted the original WRR findings, and questioned why MBBK had expunged these results from their paper.

By 1999, meaningful debate mostly disappeared into personal attacks and diatribes as the participants accused one another of all manner of madness, deceptions and ill intent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

Also the links being provided by Emma and eight bits are from know individual skeptics and not from any neutral party or academy.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/ is Brandon McKay's site which clearly states their bias, "This page contains a collection of resources on the subject. Our position is sceptical, and that is reflected in our choice of material."

Brandon McKay is also part of MBBK as discussed above. I can only hope the issue is investigated further from a less biased standpoint by other researchers who can remain neutral at the onset of their research instead of entering into it with motives to disprove.

Edited April 17, 2008 by Clovis

[HAJiME]

If somone could tell me something in explicit detail, yes, I'd rethink everything.

The fact is, no one EVER has.

Derren Brown.

The mind is powerful, but also easilly tricked. In my eyes, this man and many others like him, proove that such abilities are completely and utter turd.

Edited April 17, 2008 by HAJiME

[Emma_Acid]

Also the links being provided by Emma and eight bits are from know individual skeptics and not from any neutral party or academy.

While this is true, the quote I used was deliberately opinion-free and simply descriptive - it describes the way that the bible codes are used to get those results. If you think they do it differently, show us how.

Derren Brown.

I <3 Derren Brown!

[Rosewin]

It was far from neutral just on the fact the authors of that information have an agenda and it is not one of neutrality. It presents the Bible Code as finding words haphazardly. It is true that a knights move can be utilized but it would remain a consistent pattern. It will not jump from a knights move to then randomly skipping three spaces horizontally then jumping to the corner of the page. There is always a systematic pattern involved that does not change.

It then offers conflicting statements such as 'with a large enough block of text, it's possible to find just about any word' which when compared to 'it's rare to find a word of 7 or more letters' shows the author is combining facts not on their merit but on the effect of which they can lead the reader to doubt . And yes, I understand the difference between both of those statements and how they do not necessarily conflict each other but in the way it is presented you can tell the writing style is not one of scientific understanding but more reminiscent of someone commentating on politics on their blog with casual statements while neglecting accuracy, quality, and style. They are merely throwing out opinions that do not truly refute the topic at hand but are offered in a way merely to sway the opinion of the casual reader who would not double check that information with a more neutral source and walk away with the feeling as if they were reading gospel truth.

A more fair link to discuss ELS would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code#EL...Sequence_method

Instead of the link which you offered which is tiled 'The Bible Code: Enigmas for Dummies' followed by the first sentence, "Today we're going to load some cheap software onto our laptop and decode that silliest of modern pop phenomena, the Bible Code." While you might agree with such sentiment in the end that is exactly what it is sentiment.

I will be the first to say that I do not know if the Bible Code is real or not, but if great men believe there might be something to it, and it does appear there is something to it, I would like to hear more about it.

Edited April 17, 2008 by Clovis

[Guyver]

Apparently you haven't done any research into this at all. Bible codes are one of the biggest and most blatant frauds around, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why (and here I will present what you so often don't - objective evidence):

Bible codes are just stupid - all it shows is that if you have a big enough pool of words, you can mix and match some together to find a sentence. And finding a sentence that desribes something that has already happened is not a prophecy.

I've done enough research to show you that at least one of those was true. They accurately predicted the assasination attempt on Rabin and tried to warn him out of concern. So that one prophecy from the bible codes is not as easy to dismiss as you make it seem. Do you believe it was just pure luck?

[Rosewin]

I find it creepy how it has World Trade Center and Manhattan in the English text of the Bible. I always thought it was best to do ELS's in the original languages, especially Hebrew and Aramaic, but I wish more people would search other texts now just to see if they can find as many relevant ELS's in regular works of literature like Shakespeare and such.

http://www.research-systems.com/codes/world.htm