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I trust the UN to tell the truth when they tell us of the amount of regulations the israelis are breaking.

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Yeah but the reasons they came out and cheered are what you need to look at.

They see america as just as guilty as israel for their opression.

9/11 for them was a victory against the U.S. thats why they cheered, they are fed a lot of propganda too you know.

They prbably dont understand the full evilness of laden.

My point exactly.

The whole mess the world is sliding into is interlinked and the support of Israel to some is seen as part of the new Crusade against Islam.

Once of the reasons that Russia has got away with wiping out half the population of Chechnia is because Western politicians don't give a rats ass about muslims being killed.

This fuels the us and them mentality of these people and provides endless fresh meat for the grinder.

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I trust the UN to tell the truth when they tell us of the amount of regulations the israelis are breaking.

No, not even the UN. The only way to end lies is to send nukes all arround the world grin2.gif

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No, not even the UN. The only way to end lies is to send nukes all arround the world

Explain?

Once of the reasons that Russia has got away with wiping out half the population of Chechnia is because Western politicians don't give a rats ass about muslims being killed.

To be honest when the confilct in chechnya was at its height i remeber the americans dissaproval being very vocal, and when the russians claimed such harsh tactics were nessecary for their homeland security they were told this was the wrong the route by the americans.

Remind you of anything?........ whistling2.gif

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Apparently you're not following this topic close enough. It was a joke wink2.gif

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So...on the one hand, you argue that the IDF is "sensitive" when treating civilians, and on the other you argue that the only method they're willing to employ to whittle out terrorists is to bulldoz through refugree camps with tanks, slaughtering people at random in an effort to kill the select few potential terrorists among thousands of bystanders?

Geez...if only every anti-terrorist progam in the world could be that arbitrary, savage, and barbaric

You obviously twisted everything I said. I didn't say the ONLY way to deal with terrorism is to destroy the terrorist's home. I mentioned it as one such a way. I also made it very clear that the IDF cannot to this on large scale sence every house destroyed is first being debated in the high court.

Also I didn't mention slaughtering - actually I emphesized in most of my posts that such rumos are all that - rumors spread by Palestinian propagandists.

Every building being destroyed is evecuated from people, including the terrorist's own family. But as I see - Seraphina has some agenda or she just doesn't want to learn anything.

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You obviously twisted everything I said. I didn't say the ONLY way to deal with terrorism is to destroy the terrorist's home. I mentioned it as one such a way

And if they made a mistake? Tough luck i suppose.

How humane.

Sorry we made a mistake crushed your children destroyed your home all your possessions an made you a refugee as well as being repressed.

But hey s**t happens pal.

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Bizzaro:

when you defend the murder of a child with a line like, "the man was a terrorist who was sheltering behind his son" (paraphrasing) than maybe it is you who needs to stop listening to propaganda.

First lets start with the fact that the boy was killed by a Palestinian, not by IDF soldiers. His father was one of the terrorists that the IDF was going to capture. But he took his boy and ran instead of fighting against the IDF. Than he was cought in between Israeli fire and Palestinian fire. The boy was killed. Immidiatly, the PA said that the IDF killed him. The TV Networks believed that. A later invastigation of some human-rights organization showed that the boy was killed by a Palestinian fire, not IDF one.

also, when you criticize the nazi comparisons, maybe you should look at the tactics involved before you claim they are unjustified:

a Nazi tactic in WWII was to kill a whole group of people for the acts of one resistance fighter.

Again, Nazism. How fun is it to compare the Jews to Nazis. This way European cooperation with the Nazis could be understood. It probably makes you feel better.

Anyway: Israel do no such thing as collective punishment. This is one of the Palestinian's biggest lies. If you read carfully what I said Israel is doing and how, you would see that there is no comparsion here:

Israel destroys only the terrorist's home. If it is a multi-store building, all the people are called to evacuate that building. Only after the IDF soldiers check to see there's no one left, they bulldoze that house. Also, to destroy any house, the IDF have to get permission from the high court. I wonder if the Europeans would treat terrorist this way. Oh, I forgot, the already got their chance - the French massacred Arabs in a land not theirs. The Spanish massacred Basques. And the British probably treated the Irish much better.

sounds kind of like Jenin, eh? if you believe its total rubbish, where do all these pictures come from?

What pictures? A couple of bulldozed houses? Did you know that the number of Palestinian causalties in Jenin, in a month of fighting, and after 20 Israeli soldiers dead in the same camp, was 40 people? 40 Palestinians in a refugee camp of more than 100,000 (if I recall correctly). Did CNN showed the fake funerals of Palestinians after Jenin, where the "dead" bodies suddenly get back to life and ran with their fellow actors?

If you consider 40 deads after a month of fighting with terrorists in a refugee camp a massacre, you surley would consider the killing of more than 30 Jews in an Hotel in Passover evening, one of the Jews most important holyday, that led in the first place to IDF entrance to Jenin, a massacre too, right?

Also, an official report of UN (if I recall), showed that there was no massacre in Jenin.

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And if they made a mistake? Tough luck i suppose.

How humane.

A mistake is very unlikely, for some reasons:

1. The family of the suicide bomber are made heroes.

2. The terrorist organization sends the suicide bomber's video tape.

3. The family of the suicide bomber get lots of money from the terrorist organization that sent the family member to commit the suicide attack.

4. The information is being confirmed with Israeli intelligence.

5. Every house in question is fisrt being debated over in high court. Usually, the house is bulldozed only a month after everyone else knows who the terrorist is.

Sorry we made a mistake crushed your children destroyed your home all your possessions an made you a refugee as well as being repressed.

Crushed your children? The children as well as the parents are alive and well. They are actually very proud of their boy for suicide bombing Israeli civilians.

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Israel destroys only the terrorist's home. If it is a multi-store building, all the people are called to evacuate that building. Only after the IDF soldiers check to see there's no one left, they bulldoze that house. Also, to destroy any house, the IDF have to get permission from the high court. I wonder if the Europeans would treat terrorist this way. Oh, I forgot, the already got their chance - the French massacred Arabs in a land not theirs. The Spanish massacred Basques. And the British probably treated the Irish much better.

Couple of points

1. tough luck if you live in the building a terrorist lived in eh?

2. When was the last time there was a terrorist attack in britain from the IRA????

We have dealt with our situation properly and now there is no organised violence or bombing. Maybe the israelis should follow our example.

A mistake is very unlikely, for some reasons:

1. The family of the suicide bomber are made heroes.

2. The terrorist organization sends the suicide bomber's video tape.

3. The family of the suicide bomber gets lots of money from the terrorist organization that sent their family-member.

4. The information his being confirmed with Israeli intelligence.

5. Every house in question is fisrt being dabted over in high court. Usually, the house is bulldozed only a month after everyone else knows who the terrorist is.

This makes no sense and doesnt [rpve there cant be any mistakes.

Why dont you answer why Israel is breaking so many UN regulations?

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Sorry, I'm afraid I'm going to have to abandon you to a victim of the propoganda fed to you by your government...everywhere I look in your arguement I hear "palistinian lies!" "palistinian lies!" "Palistinians killed this person, Palistinians kill that person!"

You really do hate them, don't you? huh.gif

If you read carfully what I said Israel is doing and how, you would see that there is no comparsion here

If we took your word on everything that's going on down there, then we wouldn't get very far...our picture of what is going on down there is fueled by the accounts of not one, but many eye witnesses, reporters, officials, and experts who give accounts of the savagery of your military and government.

At the end of the day, you're sitting there painting a very flowery and innocent picture of your people, when on a near daily basis reports are flooding out of your country from unbiased sources telling of acts by those in charge of it that can't be described as anything less than evil.

Are you telling me that it's all part of a gigantic terrorist conspiracy? Are you telling me the pictures of corpses that my brother posted earlier are put together be evil, Palistinian, terrorists funded movie special effects companies? Are you telling me that you honestly believe countless statistics, death tolls, and accounts of brutality are lies spread by the evil Palistines (even if printed by those who have absolutely nothing to do with Palistine) to discredit you, simply because you're told they are?

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Erikl, you make everyone who disagrees with you into an anti-Semite - talk about a convienient little philosophy. i see it utilized on talk radio (which just so happens to be owned by corporations which are also owned by Jewish people, at least in the USA) to stiffle anyone who questions Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories. whenever a caller is sympathetic to the Palestinians, they are transformed into an ANTI-SEMITE by the host and kicked off the air. i have witnessed this on many occasions. in contrast, these right wing talk show hosts are often given free trips to Israel and report about the horrible conditions there under the threat of Palestinian terrorism. hmm.

just some food for thought:

America's Voices in Israel

now, you will notice that all of those persons listed are CONSERVATIVE talk show hosts who are 'guests' of the nation of Israel. you will also notice that the topics they discuss ON AMERICAN RADIO are nothing short of propaganda being funneled directly from the state of Israel. when Saudi Arabia tried to purchase ads on TV in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the media reported that 'common Americans were furious' and the then labeled them as propaganda, yet this sort of blatant propaganda goes unreported. double hmm.

i am not an anti-Semite. i am seeker of truth. when someone does not report something on the news, i wonder why. when someone does report something on the news, i try to find other sources to get a more well rounded picture of what really happened.

when i see that people who are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause are being shut out of discussions in our media, it leads me to believe there exists definite evidence of manipulation. in a free media, surely we could have views that differ from what the state of Israel is feeding us, but all i see is people with differing views being labeled anti-Semites and stiffled on that account.

even locally, in Birmingham, Alabama- surely not a hotbed of Israeli/Palestinian issues- i see direct intervention by the state of Israel. we had a congressman by the name of Earl Hilliard who was sympathetic to Arab issues. he went to visit Libya once and it was widely reported on the national media like he was some kind of traitor or something. interestingly enough, Jewish contributions from sources far outside of Alabama were directly implicated in him losing the local election to a candidate who was 'more sympathetic to Jewish issues'. he was portrayed as an anti-Semite for supporting Arab issues. triple hmm.

read this

finally, i find it ironic that people of Israel would deny the nation of Palestinians their national destiny, especially considering that Israel itself was a displaced nation for centuries. a 'nation' of people is not necessarily a country. the Palestinians are a nation, albeit without a country to inhabit. that is exactly what Israelis were 60 years ago. ironic that Israelis are now in the position of denying a displaced nation the right to exist because they displaced them to create their own country.

share the land. its the right thing to do. you know that too, im certain of it.

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As for the UN issue, look here.

As for Seraphina:

You really do hate them, don't you?

No, I don't. I feel sorry for them. I hate the terrorists, I hate the PA, I hate the fact that they spread nazi-like propaganda to their civilian population. But I don't hate the Palestinians themselves. Actually, I believe they were used by the Arab countries as a weapon against Israel. Arafat himself is an Egyptian and not Palestinian. I also believe the Palestinains deserve a state of their own. But if Israel will get out of the disputed territories now, without any agreement, the Palestinians will see this as a vectory of terrorism over common reason. As for negotiating - Israel offered virtually the entire disputed territories plus east Jerusalem, and the Palestinian responded by launching a massive terror campaign against Israel.

Are you telling me that it's all part of a gigantic terrorist conspiracy? Are you telling me the pictures of corpses that my brother posted earlier are put together be evil, Palistinian, terrorists funded movie special effects companies? Are you telling me that you honestly believe countless statistics, death tolls, and accounts of brutality are lies spread by the evil Palistines (even if printed by those who have absolutely nothing to do with Palistine) to discredit you, simply because you're told they are?

In a short answer - yes. If you think about it, it is not that wierd:

There are 22 Arab states, which are loaded with money. They didn't absorbed the Palestinian refugees (even though they are both Arabs) - why is that? why did Israel absorbed the Jewish refugees from the Arab countries and the Arabs couldn't do the same thing for the Palestinian Arabs? Because they don't care about the Palestinians themselves. They use them as a weapon against Israel.

They fund terrorism inside the territories. They fund propaganda against Israel in Europe, US and other parts of the world.

Why do everyone obssesed with Israel? Why does the Indian-Pakistanian conflict get the same amount of coverage? Why doesn't the atrocities of the Arabs themselves get the same amount of coverage?

Where does the money to organize rallies against Israel is comming from?

Do European politicians that their countries dependant on Arab Oil could be really objective about this conflict? Could France and Belgium, who has a growing muslim minority, have an objective view?

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Erikl, you make everyone who disagrees with you into an anti-Semite - talk about a convienient little philosophy.

Not everyone. Just people who compare Israel to Nazi Germany, which you and Talon did. Comparing the Jewish country to the country that commited genocie against Jews in nothing more than Racism. This is not a legitimate critsizism.

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BTW - to all, I won't be able to respond as often as I did for the past two days, so in case you wonder - no, I didn't fly wink2.gif

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First, the pre-modern history isn’t relevant to current events, it would be like me using WW2 as a defence to invade modern Germany.

As for genocide - I don't know how you can believe the lies of totalitarian countries that murder and oppress their own citizens

MY NEUTRAL MEDIA reports these events, and it nether is totalitarian or murders and opposes its people.

Their government uses donations money to train terrorists and buy weapons, and spreading hate through the population.

huh.gif Tell me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t your government supply your army? And as for spreading hate, you’ve already shown us your utter contempt from the Palestine.

Arafat's police acts like the Gestappo - people are disapearing from the streets, hanged upside down, and stoned.

Oh, nobodies saying their leaders are nice people, what we are saying is that blaming the Palestine’s for the entire conflict and claiming Israel is blameless is insanity.

They are given strict orders to not fire anyone untill they are fired at with firearms.

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Please tell that to British peace activist Tom Hurndall, who was assassinated by a Israeli sniper.

As for Palestinians only using stones - that is just nonsence. Palestinians have Kasaam rockets, RPG missiles, AK, M16, boats, explosives etc. All are bought by the PA from EU and UN money.

This argument isn’t thought out at all is it? No where did anyone say the terrorists only have stones as we have already established these things called suicide BOMBERS.

And just a note - the site that Dowdy gave link to does not represent what most of Israelis think. The site he gave represent a Cahanist ideology.

Maybe not what the Israeli people think, but certainly sums up the views I’m getting from you.

Yes, it is a political ideology. But why comparing Israelis to Nazis? Why not comparing them to Baathists, Communists, Aparthheidists, and so on (which are equally incorrect)?

The fact that you chose Nazism out of all the bad ideologies in world, shows that your comparsion was not as innocent as you would like us to think. Comparing the Jewish state to Nazi Germany, which elliminated one third of the world's Jews, is not a simple comprasion. It is not an objective critisism over Israel's policy. This is pure and simple RACISM.

Firstly I am a moderate-communist i.e. socialist, and we believe in equality, peace etc, why on Earth is it in the same grouping as Baathists, Aparthheidists? If you are referring to the USSR that was Leninism / Stalinism, not the teachings of Marx.

You are again shouting you pathetic paranoid views blah blah blah and in truth are not worth me wasting my time on, however if you wish to know, I (and everyone I know) use the word Nazism rather than Fascism to show the utter irony of history. You are aware a lot of people refer to Israel as Third Reich 2?

Are you implying that calling it Nazi Germany is racist? Saying Stalinist Russia is racist? Saying Fascist Italy is racist?

they spread nazi-like propaganda to their civilian population.

Tut Tut, didn’t you call me a racist for comparing people to Nazis, I guess in your world its one rule for me, another for you tongue.gif

The terrorists hide inside civilian population. Every action that Israel can do in Counter-Terrorist Warfare will involve the injuring of civilian population.

huh.gif You know, those people in the pics didn’t look injured… blink.gif they looked dead.

What pictures?

blink.gif You do have eyes right?

I'm sure that Britain and the US also cause civilian causalties to the Iraqis and Afghans. This is the price to pay when you fight terrorists.

During the war yes, and our public went ballistic about it. But now that we are occupying them the only ones killing civilians are the terrorists.

There are 22 Arab states

ohmy.gif There are?! Oh my god, any everyone of them is against you arn’t they, even nations like Tunisia which are non-extremist democracies. There must be a reason why their all a threat?! Oh Oh its because their Arabs! ..... disgust.gif And he calls me racist thumbdown.gif

And on a personal note: I don't think you are all against Israel. I think you just get the wrong info from your TV networks. Don't believe everything you hear or see on TV. Sometimes it is worth to check the facts.

You mean our totally biased European TV networks, as opposed to neutral ones, that just so happen to appear to portraying your people without any flaw. tongue.gif

And the British probably treated the Irish much better.

Indeed we did, oh we let them starve in the potato famine and killed Irish Home Rule dissidents during WW1, but we certainly treated them better

The bulldozed houses you see on TV are part of Israel's war against terrorism. When a suicide bomber explodes in Israel, the IDF destroy his home.

YOU JUSTIFY LEAVING THEM HOMELESS BECAUSE OF AN ACT DONE BY ANOTHER PERSON?! Your simply disgusting!

You obviously twisted everything I said. I didn't say the ONLY way to deal with terrorism is to destroy the terrorist's home.

Oh, we understood everything disgust.gif

To answer that arguments for once and for all.

Indeed, I do wish you’d go away and leave the thread to people who aren’t insulting other posters by shouting you disagree with me, you’re a racist!

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Dude! What are you talking about and where are you getting your information?

From the Bin Laden web site?! There are no 'death camps' in Israel. Geez...you

just lost a good bit of the credibility you had gained in my eyes. Better have a

good explanation for this one pal, backed up with evidence!!

Joc, from past experience I know you jump into arguments without thinking them through, and from past experiences outside these posts I actually like you. grin2.gif As a friend I’m going to give you advice, look at my links and stop posting something so stupid. tongue.gif

sounds kind of like Jenin, eh? if you believe its total rubbish, where do all these pictures come from? where do all the unbiased reports of brutality come from?

Oh haven’t you heard? Their paper mashie models and lies by our oh so anti-Jewish media tongue.gif

I would say that it works both ways though and ignorant people in the Middle East have also rallied to Osama's band of happy campers because of the US's support of Israel.

When will people realise that in cases such as this, as in Northern Ireland, violence only creates more retaliatory violence.

True, goes like **** committees a terrorist act, so ***** committees a terrorist act in retaliation, only for **** to make another terrorist attack in retaliation.

I think what the people here going on about Palestinian terrorism are completely missing, is that nobody here is doubting that it happens and Israeli civilians die. What is being arguing that the Israeli military does the exact same thing only using tanks and soldiers. As of yet erkl, Gozz, Dowdy and Joc have not explained it how you can justify one but not the other, both are shameful attacks on civilian life. And nothing can justify attacks on civilians.

I trust the UN to tell the truth when they tell us of the amount of regulations the israelis are breaking.

You know wunarmdscissor isn’t so much more fun when we agree, although we must remember even the UN in an instrument of the capitalist oppressor grin2.giftongue.gif

Erikl, you make everyone who disagrees with you into an anti-Semite - talk about a convienient little philosophy.

True True, Erikl there is a reason more the half the people here disagree with you, and no, its not cause we’re all racists. tongue.gif

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which just so happens to be owned by corporations which are also owned by Jewish people, at least in the USA)

Just wondering where I can find this information.

In case anyone else is wondering heres a place you can check who owns what media in the US.Media ownership

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i could send you to many 'conspiracy' type pages (which i do not ascribe to their beliefs but they are enlightening) but i will just let you look for yourself at how control of the mass media in the US rests in the hands of very few people. a large percentage of them happen to be Jewish, coincidentally. conspiracy? maybe, maybe not. if you want a conspiracy, you could find one, but im not into conspiracies. i only notice when a caller with a Palestinian sympathy reveals him or herself on the radio station i listen to often (owned by Clear Channel Communications) that their opinion is always stiffled by a wide variety of hosts. i also notice that the conservative talk show hosts of Clear Channel Communications owned stations are nationally syndicated and also all get free trips to Israel to spew biased propaganda here in my community. where is the Palestinian side of things being presented? its not. anyone expressing an opinion contrary to their propaganda gets booted off the air. that is why i notice. its simply a personal observation.

if you doubt that i am correct, i advise you to check that link i posted earlier about the American Voices in Israel BULL CRAP.

also, this is non biased and factual information. do you own nitpicking research like i do if you have time on your hands.

Who Owns What

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In the words Joc;

**can opened, worms everywhere.**

Palestine belongs to Palestinians, Israel is infringing on their lands. As for 97% Arafat refused, all I can say, Well how benevolent of the Israeli government!**chalk full of sarcasm**, it’s very kind of Israel to offer them back 97% of the land was stolen from Palestinians in the first place. We should all applaud Israel for making for giving Palestinians citizenship of a country that they stole from them in the first place, and giving them a right to vote. Israel should be given awards for being as kind as to killing innocent children by blowing up theirs the homes while they are a sound asleep. Target practice on its Palestinian citizens from aircrafts, roll tanks over the homes, sizing their lands, segregating them by building a wall, and shooting at them at from towers and keeping them away their own capital, etc. Way to go, good job! thumbsup.gifclap.gifclap.gif

Blowing up oneself is a very horrible way to make a point; however, it appears that these people think, that is the way Israel will look at them. I do not condone suicide bombers, killing innocent people is wrong.

Hamas has found bunch unhappy people who wonder why they and children should be shot up on for the mistakes of someone else. How long do you think it is going to take before they start to sympathize with Hamas, How long do you think it is going to take when civilians start to letting their children be recruited into Hamas?

No one is innocent in this conflict; Arafat does a bad job, but so to does Israel.

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First, the pre-modern history isn’t relevant to current events, it would be like me using WW2 as a defence to invade modern Germany.

I agree with you here. But if that conflict is still going on' it's history is important. If WW2 was to continue to this day, than the pre-WW2 history of Germany would be relevant today.

MY NEUTRAL MEDIA reports these events, and it nether is totalitarian or murders and opposes its people.

Tell me of one NEUTRAL MEDIA network that tells that Israel is commiting genocide against the Palestinians. And no, Indymedia is not neutral.

Tell me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t your government supply your army? And as for spreading hate, you’ve already shown us your utter contempt from the Palestine.

Oh please... don't tell me you really going to compare conventional military to terrorist groups.

As for me showing hatered - you obviously didn't read my posts, cause if you did, you would see that I clearly said I don't hate the Palestinians. I feel sorry for them. I do hate their leadership, their terrorists act. Not all of the Palestinians are terrorists, but most of them support terrorism.

Oh, nobodies saying their leaders are nice people, what we are saying is that blaming the Palestine’s for the entire conflict and claiming Israel is blameless is insanity.

I don't say Israel has nothing to do with the conflict. I'm just saying that the deamonization that you in Europe do to Israel has no true base. Israel is a western democracy, not a totalitarian fascist state. I think your case of totaly accepting the Palestinian side is so serious the best way for you to treat it is simply to come for a month to Israel. See how life is going on here. Read some Israeli news-papers.

Please tell that to British peace activist Tom Hurndall, who was assassinated by a Israeli sniper.

Please remind that to the three Americans that were murdered in Gaza strip by Palestinians.

This argument isn’t thought out at all is it? No where did anyone say the terrorists only have stones as we have already established these things called suicide BOMBERS.

Wasn't it you who posted a picture of a Palestinian throwing stones on Israeli Tank?

Why didn't you posted a Palestinian firing RPG or Kassam?

Maybe not what the Israeli people think, but certainly sums up the views I’m getting from you.

Tell me where I posted any message even slightly close to Cahanist Ideology?

Firstly I am a moderate-communist i.e. socialist, and we believe in equality, peace etc, why on Earth is it in the same grouping as Baathists, Aparthheidists? If you are referring to the USSR that was Leninism / Stalinism, not the teachings of Marx.

Communism is as evil as Nazism. Baathism was also called Arab socialism. And as a communist, show me any country where communism worked? Ans I'm not talking on social-democracy, which is a free-ecnomy and not socialist.

Every time communism was tried, it became into a Fascist regime that killed tens of millions of people.

Obviously as a far-left activist you are not very moderate, which explains your posts and your radical view of the world. It's also explains you anti-Zionism. As most of the people in the board must know, the far-left in Europe is allianced with radical-muslims and pro-Palestinians. Now you calmed me Talon, I was afraid that you are an avarage European.

And as just so you know - I consider my self to be a Social-Democrat.

however if you wish to know, I (and everyone I know) use the word Nazism rather than Fascism to show the utter irony of history. You are aware a lot of people refer to Israel as Third Reich 2?

So you admitt that you use the Nazism=Zionism argument simply to show irony? What is that if not simple cruelty and racism. You don't have any argument, you just enjoy the irony of comparing Jews to Nazis. That is just sick.

You mean our totally biased European TV networks, as opposed to neutral ones, that just so happen to appear to portraying your people without any flaw.

My people are not flawless - we are a rather regular western society. We have our problems and our flaws. But from here into comparing Israel to Nazi Germany?

And what about you portraying Israel as a monster and the Palestinians as total inocent? I read your arguments, and you lack a serious knowledge of the history of the conflict. I sugest you take a neutral history book (if there is such a thing) and start reading.

During the war yes, and our public went ballistic about it. But now that we are occupying them the only ones killing civilians are the terrorists.

Don't kid youself. Many Afghans and Iraqis are killed when the British and Americans are commiting counter-terrorist operations.

There are?! Oh my god, any everyone of them is against you arn’t they, even nations like Tunisia which are non-extremist democracies. There must be a reason why their all a threat?! Oh Oh its because their Arabs! .....  And he calls me racist 

You are a good demagogue, I'll give you that. But it won't work. The Arabs are united in their Arab League, and most of their actions are coordinate with each other. Democracies? Tunisia is the only EMERGING democracy in the Arab world. And actually Tunisia, as well as Morocco, are not that anti-Israeli. but than again - they don't have that much oil, and so they are not a powerfull players. Nations like Egypt, Syria, Saudi-Arabia etc. are anti-Israeli.

Why the Arabs are so anti-Israeli? there are few reasons, such as:

1. They view Israel's western culture as threat to their dictatorship hogomany.

2. They use Israel as a good target for their internal problems. It is much easier to blame it all on the different than blaming your self.

As for calling Israel racist - if I'm not mistaken, it is Saudi-Arabia that forbids Jews from living in it, and it was Egypt who just few months ago played a TV show based on the Protocol of the Elders of Zion. Syria is the one that took it's jewish population and put it in a getto. And wasn't it the Arab countries that did ethnic cleansing in it's jewish population?

YOU JUSTIFY LEAVING THEM HOMELESS BECAUSE OF AN ACT DONE BY ANOTHER PERSON?! Your simply disgusting!

Leaving who homeless? The dead terrorist who just exploded in Jerusalem? I'm sorry you feel sorry for him. God, you make me sick.

Indeed, I do wish you’d go away and leave the thread to people who aren’t insulting other posters by shouting you disagree with me, you’re a racist!

You are the one who calls Jews Nazis and than don't understand why that will insult anyone. You are the one who is always Anti-Israeli, saying Israel is an evil monster and the Palestinians are poor angels. I bet you never heared seriously the Israeli-side, cause for extremers like you there is only one truth.

I was wrong. No one here in this forum is a racist, because they aknowledge that there is not a simple truth that you try to picture here. The only racist here is you.

If you want to critisize Israel - go ahead. but do it on a factual base. Not on some hear-sayings of Pro-Palestinians. I offered you the truth from another side. You should start listening to the Israeli side, not only the Palestinian one. I bet it would be hard if you are a member of a pro-Palestinian organization. But if you really want to know the truth about the middle-eastern conflict, you should start listening to other sides, not just one side.

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Communism is as evil as Nazism

Absolute rubbish, total crap. Just because the human race wasnt ready to on a widespread level embrace communism, which if implemented correctly would be utopian, doesnt make an ideaology evil.

How can an ideaology that calls all men equaly be evil, fascism and right wing politics are evil not the other way around.

People hijacked communism in the past, like marx said we need capitalism before communism for it to work.

Stalin was an evil man but communism isnt evil.

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Just because someone attacks israels policy on palestin doesnt mean they are attacking jews.

You are wearing rose coloured specs my friend we are all very open minded and looking at the sitiation fresh minded and evenly balanced.

You must admit that the israelis are far mor powerful than the palestinians?

then you would have to admit that if you believed your country was being oppressed you would do anything to free it?

If you had o conventional means would you resort to ultra orthodox methods to free your people from oppression?

these are quiestions you must consider because thats how they feel.

Wether they or you are wrong you have to address the problem and in my opinion both are wrong but ithe israelis have to shoulder more of the blame because they are the more powerful.

This is why like here in the UK there must be dialogue. Its the only way to end conflict like this and in turn suicide bombings and terrorism.

Builing a huge fence round them wont work or help either. They;ll just feel more isolated and youll make more martyrs.

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And actually Tunisia, as well as Morocco, are not that anti-Israeli. but than again - they don't have that much oil, and so they are not a powerfull players.

So now oil countires with are anti-isreali.

As for calling Israel racist - if I'm not mistaken, it is Saudi-Arabia that forbids Jews from living in it, and it was Egypt who just few months ago played a TV show based on the Protocol of the Elders of Zion. Syria is the one that took it's jewish population and put it in a getto. And wasn't it the Arab countries that did ethnic cleansing in it's jewish population?

Are you saying that it's ok for Israel to isolated Palestineians in camps, because of Syria and or because of ethnic cleaning in Arab counrties at was not excluvise to only Jews?

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Palestine belongs to Palestinians, Israel is infringing on their lands.

Shirini, have you ever heard of the 6 day war? Israel stole nothing.

Joc, from past experience I know you jump into arguments without thinking them through, and from past experiences outside these posts I actually like you.  As a friend I’m going to give you advice, look at my links and stop posting something so stupid.

What is there to think through about Israel? Since they were established as a

country in 1948 they have been at war with someone because the Arabs hate them. Why? Because they are the chosen people of God. The Arab/Israel

hatred goes back to Biblical times. It won't end. It can't end. Why? Glad you

asked! It will never end because ....neither side knows what forgiveness is.

The Jews disclaim Jesus and the Arabs disclaim Jesus and there you go. The only way to overcome differences is through forgiveness. It isn't going to happen in

Israel. One doesn't have to read alot in the Bible to find out what kind of slime,

wickedness the Jews are capable of.

Btw.......I am not an anti-semite (no one said I was) but I am not a large supporter of Israel either. If I were King the first act of my Kingdom would be

to nuke the entire Middle East Israel included! I would make the desert a sea of

glass. *I am kidding* As far as I am concerned Israel is just as guilty of

butchery as the Palestinians.

That being said....The Palestinians didn't have a 'homeland'. They were part of

the desert that Israel took in the war with Egypt. I don't see Egypt offering any

of their land to the Palestinians. crying.gif

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