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Area201
21 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Thing is, he won't. The only trip he can make (with all his garbage printed on loo roll) is the loo...

My point was that if someone discovers something while experimenting he might not have the maths to show how it works (just yet). Similarly, if an advanced race with much more advanced technology had left their craft or took someone for a trip, the lack of maths doesn't negate the reality of the situation or technology. 

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BorizBadinov

This is not to argue that gravity can be negated but the paradigm is that gravity must always negatively affect an object. If you can manipulate gravity to your benefit, as in this video below of quantum suspension (not mine) some very interesting effects can be observed. Honestly I just like the video.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=quantum+levitation&&view=detail&mid=4843B59864F87B05EABA4843B59864F87B05EABA&FORM=VRDGAR

Granted there are a lot of problems to overcome to make this useable, but its hard not to see some kind of future use in this tech. Plus its just incredibly cool. No pun intended. If one could find a way to use a planet's magnetic field as the base (and cheaply and effectively supercool your superconductor suspension platform that would carry more than a few grams of payload) we could have landspeeders! No more reason needed...

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ChrLzs

I'm sorry ... 'quantum suspension'???  What is 'quantum' about this?  It's a superconductor - magnetic effect, and is just like any other force you might use to overcome gravity, eg lifting it with your hand, or lifting anything with a repulsive magnetic force..  Research the Meissner Effect if interested.

This has nothing to do with anti-gravity, or tying electric fields into gravity - it doesn't affect gravity, it merely lifts something.  Rather like a crane..

And yes, it's a bit of a pity that it uses superconductors and super-cooling and the fact that you need a suitable magnetic track - so it's actually useless for a land-speeder.  Plus, we can already do this with ordinary magnets...  

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lightly
On December 3, 2017 at 3:36 PM, lightly said:

Thanks a lot ChrLzs, your obviously very knowledgable, l'm essentially clueless. 

But, as for my thought about more than the forces of momentum and gravity being involved in holding the earth, for example, in it's orbit...

some say our moon was formed when an immense object slammed into the earth,creating debris that ,some of which,formed a disc around the earth,which ,over time, gathered to form our moon.

i'm just wondering how the earth would not be knocked out of it's precarious balance between momentum and gravity when struck by an object that immense and traveling that fast! ?

And, thanks ChrLzs, for explaining how EM only interacts with things with charge, whereas gravity attracts charged or Un-charged things....

but as for my other...question...about gravity possibly being connected to EM..... I remember hearing that EM forces are involved in gathering things together....Until there is enough mass for gravity to kick in?

which made me wonder,and still does... At what point exactly does EM attraction become "gravity"....see what I'm asking?

......and don't atoms work electromagnetically?   Neutrons...Protons...and whatever?   And isn't any MASS made up of atoms?

.....so, I'm wondering how "gravity" actually works.

if these questions are just too dumb, you don't need to reply..... I shouldn't distract from the main topic much more anyway.

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ChrLzs
27 minutes ago, lightly said:

And, thanks ChrLzs, for explaining how EM only interacts with things with charge, whereas gravity attracts charged or Un-charged things....

My pleasure!

27 minutes ago, lightly said:

but as for my other...question...about gravity possibly being connected to EM..... I remember hearing that EM forces are involved in gathering things together....Until there is enough mass for gravity to kick in?

which made me wonder,and still does... At what point exactly does EM attraction become "gravity"....see what I'm asking?

......and don't atoms work electromagnetically?   Neutrons...Protons...and whatever?   And isn't any MASS made up of atoms?

You're definitely on the right track. I'll try to keep it simple and then add some provisos to complicate it all... :D

At the most basic level, electromagnetic forces are much stronger than gravity...  BUT when you have large masses involved, the electromagnetic stuff tends to balance itself up..  So gravity is what makes, f'rinstance, the earth round... but electromagnetic forces hold you into shape and prevent you from 'melting' into the ground from gravity... (and note that the 'weak' magnetic field around earth is dam important as it tends to trap/shield us from some really nasty radiation.. ok that's a bit offtopic).

Gravity is unaffected by e-m fields - it remains constant and is purely dependent on the masses of the things being attracted.  Plus it is always an attractive force.  E-M can certainly be used to overcome gravity, just as your muscles can make you stand up.  But that ain't 'anti-gravity'.

There are two more forces that operate at atomic / quantum levels, ie at incredibly small distances, but these won't affect your everyday life and let's leave them out for the moment!

27 minutes ago, lightly said:

.....so, I'm wondering how "gravity" actually works.

We don't fully know, but it certainly seems to have nothing to do with E-M.  And unlike E-M, when there's a lot of it, it even bends space-time, like that 'rubber-sheet' analogy that astronomers sometimes use.  It's not *quite* like that, but it's a helpful way to try to visualise what it does.  

27 minutes ago, lightly said:

if these questions are just too dumb, you don't need to reply..... I shouldn't distract from the main topic much more anyway.

Definitely not dumb questions - no question politely and genuinely asked is dumb, and this topic is a minefield!

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ChrLzs

Oh, and in regard to your first point about something big hitting earth, and yet everything settled back into orbit/s.

Your concern is correct - if the object was moving at a high speed and was very big, it could well have just smashed us completely and driven most of the debris out of orbit..  BUT (there's always a 'but'! :D ) remember that even while the object is colliding, gravity (from the Sun to all the debris, and then from what was left of the earth to all of the bits) is still pulling on everything, including the intruder... so it will tend to clump back together and it's not all that surprising that a lot of what was left settled back into orbit around the sun, and some in orbit around earth to form our Moon.  Let's just hope another one doesn't do the same thing before we have developed the technology to detect it early enough and then deflect it. 

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lightly

Ah! Excellent ChrLzs,  I actually knew some of that...and basically understood all of it!

thanksagain 

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Hammerclaw

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BorizBadinov
On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 6:31 PM, ChrLzs said:

I'm sorry ... 'quantum suspension'???  What is 'quantum' about this?  It's a superconductor - magnetic effect, and is just like any other force you might use to overcome gravity, eg lifting it with your hand, or lifting anything with a repulsive magnetic force..  Research the Meissner Effect if interested.

This has nothing to do with anti-gravity, or tying electric fields into gravity - it doesn't affect gravity, it merely lifts something.  Rather like a crane..

And yes, it's a bit of a pity that it uses superconductors and super-cooling and the fact that you need a suitable magnetic track - so it's actually useless for a land-speeder.  Plus, we can already do this with ordinary magnets...  

Sorry I didn't name it, that's what they called it in the video, although they called it levitation not suspension. That was my mistake in typing from an old memory before finding the link. I agree this isn't antigravity at all, but magnetic repulsion as you stated. My apologies if it was too off topic.

The superconductor definitely uses electricity as that is what creates the trapping effect. This is different from static magnetic levitation which cannot follow a magnetic field as in the demo without guides. It would simply fall off. The superconductor is something like 3 microns thick on a substrate, apparently the thicker the superconductor the more trapping strength it has. I haven't seen any proof of that myself but other demonstrations make these claims. I just thought maybe some would find it interesting and fun.

A large portion of the energy required to lift something off the planet is used to keep it from falling back down, if there was a way to reduce that effect it could be a huge boon. Maybe today we need a magnet track, but tomorrow who knows? Technology has a way of happening even when it seems quite impossible at present.

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ChrLzs

No problems Boris - my comments were aimed at the video!  I do get tired of the use of 'Quantum ...' to make things sound cool.  There *is* actually a quantum aspect involved in that immobilizing effect, but it's not related to the usual Quantum 'strangeness' stuff like entanglement..

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BorizBadinov

I agree and I blame Scott Bakula and that awful TV series from the late 80s for making Quantum the catchall for anything sciency. 

 

 

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DieChecker
On 12/1/2017 at 1:39 PM, x_name41 said:

hello, i would like to put here my vision for the development of the electrogravitics technology via this video, and the explanations given in the links to it

 

On 12/1/2017 at 2:18 PM, x_name41 said:

ok, my project for an electrogravitational engine based on the effect of T T Brown, which is developing the lifter technology of an asymmetric capacitor. It is, in general, a powerful asymmetrical high voltage capacitor with a solid dielectric, which can be ceramic, quartz, porcelain, and so on. The purpose of this capacitor is as a "big lifting force" engine that can be placed on everything from a stool to a car, a truck, etc., taking into account the necessary safety and installation techniques. The capacitor is designed to operate in a resonant circuit of a defined frequency, composed of an inductance with a high quality factor at the expense of the mass (according to preliminary data of the ratio of the inductive force / mass of inductance and others is acceptable). In the figures, using the solidworks program software, I designed an example design of one of my models in two variants, one with a ceramic dielectric and the other with a quartz dielectric. The configuration shows that I have adhered to the basic idea and principle of the lifts, but in fact this is just one option, it is important to observe the asymmetry between the two electrodes (and dielectrics in some cases). In this case, the ceramic or quartz dielectric completely encompasses the two asymmetric capacitor electrodes, the ceramic body is ceramic, and the electrodes are thin and wide ring-shaped because of the high frequency and the large reactive currents, and the body thickness is adapted to the working voltage at 1000V per 1mm. This concept is a prototype and is an idea for creating and implementing electrogravitational technology in public and mass transport, as technology is safe, reliable, efficient and inexpensive compared to other very diverse examples in this area, perhaps not analogous. Furthermore, the constructive embodiment with a solid dielectric and other configurations could eventually work in the space as well as on the ground as an object equipped with such capacitors could develop superluminal velocities and overcome inertia and air resistance including the possibility of self-powered due to the use of a powerful high voltage resonance system with a high quality factor and a quartz dielectric for the capacitors.

I agree this looks like word salad. What does, "...the constructive embodiment with a solid dielectric and other configurations could eventually work in the space as well as on the ground as an object equipped with such capacitors could develop superluminal velocities and overcome inertia and air resistance including the possibility of self-powered due to the use of a powerful high voltage resonance system with a high quality factor and a quartz dielectric for the capacitors.", even mean? I've a degree in Mechanical Engineering and work at Intel making processors, but this is just a string of jargon put together to sound impressive. How in the world could a "high voltage" system with a "high quality" factor ever be "self powered"? 

This smells like another "free energy" hoax, which probably means there is a GoFundMe, or some such set up to bilk people of money. With the result of a "patent" having been submitted, but "mysteriously" never approved......

This sounds more like something from Doc Brown out of Back to the Future, rather then a real proposal from a real physicist. 

 

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x_name41

DieChecker see, these things for self-powered are guesses, but the rest is not an assumption but a truth. Maybe you have not heard them these concepts (about powerful high voltage resonance system with a high quality factor and a quartz dielectric for the capacitors), but ask the a qualified specialist  in the power electronics and electrical engineering... (Q - factor of the resonance system depends of the active resistance of inductance...)

 

p.s. my English is not one of the strongest, so I apologize in advance

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ChrLzs
3 hours ago, x_name41 said:

DieChecker see, these things for self-powered are guesses, but the rest is not an assumption but a truth. Maybe you have not heard them these concepts (about powerful high voltage resonance system with a high quality factor and a quartz dielectric for the capacitors), but ask the a qualified specialist  in the power electronics and electrical engineering... (Q - factor of the resonance system depends of the active resistance of inductance...)

p.s. my English is not one of the strongest, so I apologize in advance

I'm still not getting it - the claim is about anti-gravity.  Using some other force to simply counteract gravity, be that magnetic, electrostatic, muscular... is just what we do every day.  Are you making a claim that this in some way affects gravity fields..?  I'm aware of no 'qualified specialists' who believe that what you seem to be describing has any such capability.

 

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x_name41
2 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

I'm still not getting it - the claim is about anti-gravity.  Using some other force to simply counteract gravity, be that magnetic, electrostatic, muscular... is just what we do every day.  Are you making a claim that this in some way affects gravity fields..?  I'm aware of no 'qualified specialists' who believe that what you seem to be describing has any such capability.

 

here especially this it concerns for electrogravity (see info for T. T. Brown) which is obtained by applying a certain type of electromagnetism to a special kind of capacitor. Еlectrogravitation represents driving lifting force which unlike magnetic levitation is manifested not only on metal surfaces but also on dielectric surfaces and can be used anywhere not just on certain types of surfaces (for which the infrastructure would be needed)

p.s. let it be clear that when I say antigravity I mean electrogravity!

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ChrLzs

So I'll answer the question - this has nothing to do with antigravity.

As for your comment that it can not only be used on metal surfaces but also dielectric materials - that certainly does NOT mean it works 'anywhere'.

 

Plus, the Biefield-Brown stuff was covered and debunked on page one.  Do keep up.

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Hammerclaw

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x_name41

it is not about followers or pilgrims here, wrong you understand

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Area201
21 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

So I'll answer the question - this has nothing to do with antigravity.

As for your comment that it can not only be used on metal surfaces but also dielectric materials - that certainly does NOT mean it works 'anywhere'.

 

Plus, the Biefield-Brown stuff was covered and debunked on page one.  Do keep up.

He says "p.s. let it be clear that when I say antigravity I mean electrogravity!"

Try to keep up.

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ChrLzs

It's the use of the term "Gravity" that is the problem, not the prefix.  Do try to at least think about the topic...

I may as well say that my legs have musculo-gravitic properties - seeing they can easily overcome gravity when I stand or jump... 

It's just daft, if not deliberately misleading...

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aztek

are we talking about lifters, aka ionocraft?

there is nothing "free energy" about them, nothing mysterious, simple physics . i build few of those when i was in school like 30+ years ago, anyone can build those, plans are available,   they do not cancel nor defy gravity, they overcome it, just not like any aircraft we know and use

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