Obama LIED

[Bill Hill]

And the Kurds were killed with chemical weapons that were created with chemicals that the U.S. helped to supply.

Hey you can buy a knife off me if you want... but please... please don't use it to kill someone.

It's your responsibility...

[Homer]

So in your mind, the only people with foreign policy experience are only those that have previously served in the foreign service dept? If so, you can have that opinion but certainly very few of those have gone on to become president.

Foreign policy experience means just that. Foreign policy experience. Obama has very little. Everyone knows this. There should be no disagreement here. I wasn't putting Obama down, as I was mentioning his lack of experience in the context of this thread, which was* about Obama's lies/flip-flops. You don't have to agree with me, as his many recent flip-flops only reinforces my point.

You certainly don't need foreign policy experience to be president, but it does help, especially in these troubling times. That's why I said if he enlists a great team, as all presidents should, he'll be just fine.

* - Did this thread merge with another one of those 'Bush lied'/'Iraq war illegal' theads? I thought this was suppose to be about Obama

[Space Commander Travis]

Foreign policy experience means just that. Foreign policy experience. Obama has very little. Everyone knows this. There should be no disagreement here. I wasn't putting Obama down, as I was mentioning his lack of experience in the context of this thread, which was* about Obama's lies/flip-flops. You don't have to agree with me, as his many recent flip-flops only reinforces my point.

You certainly don't need foreign policy experience to be president, but it does help, especially in these troubling times. That's why I said if he enlists a great team, as all presidents should, he'll be just fine.

* - Did this thread merge with another one of those 'Bush lied'/'Iraq war illegal' theads? I thought this was suppose to be about Obama

i know, it seemed to have wandered off course somewhere. Sorry.

[Mr Honeybadger]

Obama does a pretty good job of not having to lie.

If you ask him a yes or no question, he just answers : " Present "

[Dr. D]

Hey you can buy a knife off me if you want... but please... please don't use it to kill someone.

It's your responsibility...

Hey, I could use the knife for a multitude of other purposes other than killing someone. But here's the list of what was sent and, of course, the conservative administration at that time believed they were going to what? Make gravy? Some of the most deadly chemicals available, all sent with obvious knowledge of their use. And when they were used, the administration turned a blind eye. On the day the U.N. condemned the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds, Rumsfeld was in Baghdad, shaking hands with his pal, Hussein.

Date : February 8, 1985

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Agency

Materials Shipped:

Ustilago nuda (Jensen) Rostrup

Date : February 22, 1985

Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education

Materials Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)

Class III pathogen

Date : July 11, 1985

Sent To : Middle and Near East Regional A

Material Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)

Class III pathogen

Date : May 2, 1986

Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education

Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)

Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus Subtilis (Ehrenberg) Cohn (ATCC 82)

Batch # 06-20-84 (2 each)

3. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 3502)

Batch # 07-07-81 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

4. Clostridium perfringens (Weillon and Zuber) Hauduroy, et al (ATCC 3624)

Batch # 10-85SV (2 each)

5. Bacillus subtilis (ATCC 6051)

Batch # 12-06-84 (2 each)

6. Francisella tularensis var. tularensis Olsufiev (ATCC 6223)

Batch # 05-14-79 (2 each)

Avirulent, suitable for preparations of diagnotic antigens

7. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 9441)

Batch # 03-84 (3 each)

Highly toxigenic

8. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 9564)

Batch # 03-02-79 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 10779)

Batch # 04-24-84S (3 each)

10. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 12916)

Batch #08-14-80 (2 each)

Agglutinating type 2

11. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 13124)

Batch #07-84SV (3 each)

Type A, alpha-toxigenic, produces lecithinase C.J. Appl.

12. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)

Batch #01-14-80 (3 each)

G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick)

V770-NP1-R. Bovine Anthrax

Class III pathogen

13. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)

Batch #01-06-78 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

14. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14581)

Batch #04-18-85 (2 each)

15. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14945)

Batch #06-21-81 (2 each)

16. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 17855)

Batch # 06-21-71

Class III pathogen

17. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 19213)

Batch #3-84 (2 each)

18. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 19397)

Batch # 08-18-81 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

19. Brucella abortus Biotype 3 (ATCC 23450)

Batch # 08-02-84 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

20. Brucella abortus Biotype 9 (ATCC 23455)

Batch # 02-05-68 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

21. Brucella melitensis Biotype 1 (ATCC 23456)

Batch # 03-08-78 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

22. Brucella melitensis Biotype 3 (ATCC 23458)

Batch # 01-29-68 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

23. Clostribium botulinum Type A (ATCC 25763)

Batch # 8-83 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

24. Clostridium botulinum Type F (ATCC 35415)

Batch # 02-02-84 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

Date : August 31, 1987

Sent To : State Company for Drug Industries

Materials Shipped:

1. Saccharomyces cerevesiae (ATCC 2601)

Batch # 08-28-08 (1 each)

2. Salmonella choleraesuis subsp. choleraesuis Serotype typhi (ATCC 6539)

Batch # 06-86S (1 each)

3. Bacillus subtillus (ATCC 6633)

Batch # 10-85 (2 each)

4. Klebsiella pneumoniae subsp. pneumoniae (ATCC 10031)

Batch # 08-13-80 (1 each)

5. Escherichia coli (ATCC 10536)

Batch # 04-09-80 (1 each)

6. Bacillus cereus (11778)

Batch #05-85SV (2 each)

7. Staphylococcus epidermidis (ATCC 12228)

Batch # 11-86s (1 each)

8. Bacillus pumilus (ATCC 14884)

Batch # 09-08-80 (2 each)

Date : July 11, 1988

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 11303)

Batch # 04-875

Phase host

2. Cauliflower Mosaic Caulimovirus (ATCC 45031)

Batch # 06-14-85

Plant Virus

3. Plasmid in Agrobacterium Tumefaciens (ATCC 37349)

(Ti plasmid for co-cultivation with plant integration vectors in E. Coli)

Batch # 05-28-85

Date : April 26, 1988

Sent To: : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57236) Phage vector

Suggest host: E coli

2. Hulambda14-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57240) Phage vector

Suggested host: E coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57242) Phage vector

Suggested host: E. coli

Date : August 31, 1987

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 23846)

Batch # 07-29-83 (1 each)

2. Escherichia coli (ATCC 33694)

Batch # 05-87 (1 each)

Date : September 29, 1988

Sent To : Ministry of Trade

Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240)

Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938)

Batch # 1963 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

3. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 3629)

Batch # 10-23-85 (3 each)

4. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 8009)

Batch # 03-30-84 (3 each)

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705)

Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

6. Brucella abortus (ATCC 9014)

Batch # 05-11-66 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

7. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 10388)

Batch # 06-01-73 (3 each)

8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966)

Batch #05-05-70 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium botulinum Type A

Batch # 07-86 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

10. Bacillus cereus (ATCC 33018)

Batch # 04-83 (3 each)

11. Bacillus ceres (ATCC 33019)

Batch # 03-88 (3 each)

Date : January 31, 1989

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. PHPT31, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase (HPRT)

Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57057)

2. Plambda500, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

pseudogene (HPRT) Chromosome(s): 5 p14-p13 (ATCC 57212)

Date : January 17, 1989

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosomes(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57237) Phage vector;

Suggested host: E. coli

2. Hulambda14, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57540), Cloned from human lymphoblast, Phase vector

Suggested host: E. coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57241) Phage vector;

Suggested host: E. coli

Additionally, the Centers for Disease Control has compiled a listing of biological materials shipped to Iraq prior to the Gulf War. The listing covers the period from October 1, 1984 (when the CDC began keeping records) through October 13, 1993. The following materials with biological warfare significance were shipped to Iraq during this period.

Date : November 28, 1989

Sent To : University of Basrah, College of

Science, Department of Biology

Materials Shipped:

1. Enterococcus faecalis

2. Enterococcus faecium

3. Enterococcus avium

4. Enterococcus raffinosus

5. Enteroccus gallinarium

6. Enterococcus durans

7. Enteroccus hirae

8. Streptococcus bovis

(etiologic)

Date : April 21, 1986

Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,

Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69, House 28/I,

Baghdad, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid

(non-infectious)

Date : March 10, 1986

Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,

Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69 House 28/I,

Baghdad, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid #A2

(non-infectious)

Date : June 25, 1985

Sent To : University of Baghdad, College of

Medicine, Department of Microbiology

Materials Shipped:

1. 3 years cultures

(etiologic)

Candida sp.

Date : May 21, 1985

Sent To : Basrah, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. Lyophilized arbovirus seed

(etiologic)

2. West Nile Fever Virus

Date : April 26, 1985

Sent To : Minister of Health, Ministry of Health, Baghdad, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. 8 vials antigen and antisera (r. rickettsii and r. typhi) to diagnose rickettsial infections (non-infectious)

o bacillus anthracis

o clostridium botulinum

o clostridium perfringens

o brucella abortis

o brucella melentensis

o francisella tularensis

o clostridium tetani

[The Silver Thong]

Hey you can buy a knife off me if you want... but please... please don't use it to kill someone.

It's your responsibility...

But would you sell the knife to me knowing full well I was going to kill someone with it

[Atheist God]

But would you sell the knife to me knowing full well I was going to kill someone with it

That really is the question isn't it.

Knowing very well what Hussein was like they sold him weapons and stuff to make weapons anyway. It is in my observation evident that greed and power will almost always trump morality and ethics.

[Dr. D]

That really is the question isn't it.

Knowing very well what Hussein was like they sold him weapons and stuff to make weapons anyway. It is in my observation evident that greed and power will almost always trump morality and ethics.

The morality and ethics was best described by the fact that George Bush, Sr. sold the chemicals and George Bush, Jr. executed Saddam for using them.

[Sparky777]

wait a minute....are you trying to tell me.....that all politicians lie???

[dest_titor1]

wait a minute....are you trying to tell me.....that all politicians lie???

I guess so, Its a real Obamanation isn't it?

[questionmark]

The morality and ethics was best described by the fact that George Bush, Sr. sold the chemicals and George Bush, Jr. executed Saddam for using them.

Never mind the blueprints to build those weapons ... if not the whole thing ready assembled.

[Dr. D]

Never mind the blueprints to build those weapons ... if not the whole thing ready assembled.

What blueprints???? They were trained . . . .

"The U.S. Army trained 19 Iraqi military officers in the United States in offensive and defensive chemical, biological and radiological warfare from 1957 to 1967, according to an official Army letter published in the late 1960s.

While the training was described as mostly defensive, it also included offensive instruction in such subjects as principles of using chemical, biological and radiological weapons, and calculating chemical munitions requirements, according to a Dec. 12, 1969, letter from then-Army Chief of Legislative Liaison Col. Raymond Reid to then-U.S. Representative Robert Kastenmeier, D-Wis. The letter was published later that month in the Congressional Record."

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0103/012803gsn.htm

[questionmark]

What blueprints???? They were trained . . . .

"The U.S. Army trained 19 Iraqi military officers in the United States in offensive and defensive chemical, biological and radiological warfare from 1957 to 1967, according to an official Army letter published in the late 1960s.

While the training was described as mostly defensive, it also included offensive instruction in such subjects as principles of using chemical, biological and radiological weapons, and calculating chemical munitions requirements, according to a Dec. 12, 1969, letter from then-Army Chief of Legislative Liaison Col. Raymond Reid to then-U.S. Representative Robert Kastenmeier, D-Wis. The letter was published later that month in the Congressional Record."

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0103/012803gsn.htm

yeh...well... how 'bout that? ... so the Iraq war was to recover the sales deed for the chemical weapons after all.... I love to be right most of the time.....

[Bill Hill]

Hey, I could use the knife for a multitude of other purposes other than killing someone. But here's the list of what was sent and, of course, the conservative administration at that time believed they were going to what? Make gravy? Some of the most deadly chemicals available, all sent with obvious knowledge of their use. And when they were used, the administration turned a blind eye. On the day the U.N. condemned the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds, Rumsfeld was in Baghdad, shaking hands with his pal, Hussein.

Date : February 8, 1985

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Agency

Materials Shipped:

Ustilago nuda (Jensen) Rostrup

Date : February 22, 1985

Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education

Materials Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)

Class III pathogen

Date : July 11, 1985

Sent To : Middle and Near East Regional A

Material Shipped:

Histoplasma capsulatum var. farciminosum (ATCC 32136)

Class III pathogen

Date : May 2, 1986

Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education

Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)

Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus Subtilis (Ehrenberg) Cohn (ATCC 82)

Batch # 06-20-84 (2 each)

3. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 3502)

Batch # 07-07-81 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

4. Clostridium perfringens (Weillon and Zuber) Hauduroy, et al (ATCC 3624)

Batch # 10-85SV (2 each)

5. Bacillus subtilis (ATCC 6051)

Batch # 12-06-84 (2 each)

6. Francisella tularensis var. tularensis Olsufiev (ATCC 6223)

Batch # 05-14-79 (2 each)

Avirulent, suitable for preparations of diagnotic antigens

7. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 9441)

Batch # 03-84 (3 each)

Highly toxigenic

8. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 9564)

Batch # 03-02-79 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium tetani (ATCC 10779)

Batch # 04-24-84S (3 each)

10. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 12916)

Batch #08-14-80 (2 each)

Agglutinating type 2

11. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 13124)

Batch #07-84SV (3 each)

Type A, alpha-toxigenic, produces lecithinase C.J. Appl.

12. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)

Batch #01-14-80 (3 each)

G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick)

V770-NP1-R. Bovine Anthrax

Class III pathogen

13. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)

Batch #01-06-78 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

14. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14581)

Batch #04-18-85 (2 each)

15. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 14945)

Batch #06-21-81 (2 each)

16. Clostridium botulinum Type E (ATCC 17855)

Batch # 06-21-71

Class III pathogen

17. Bacillus megaterium (ATCC 19213)

Batch #3-84 (2 each)

18. Clostridium botulinum Type A (ATCC 19397)

Batch # 08-18-81 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

19. Brucella abortus Biotype 3 (ATCC 23450)

Batch # 08-02-84 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

20. Brucella abortus Biotype 9 (ATCC 23455)

Batch # 02-05-68 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

21. Brucella melitensis Biotype 1 (ATCC 23456)

Batch # 03-08-78 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

22. Brucella melitensis Biotype 3 (ATCC 23458)

Batch # 01-29-68 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

23. Clostribium botulinum Type A (ATCC 25763)

Batch # 8-83 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

24. Clostridium botulinum Type F (ATCC 35415)

Batch # 02-02-84 (2 each)

Class III pathogen

Date : August 31, 1987

Sent To : State Company for Drug Industries

Materials Shipped:

1. Saccharomyces cerevesiae (ATCC 2601)

Batch # 08-28-08 (1 each)

2. Salmonella choleraesuis subsp. choleraesuis Serotype typhi (ATCC 6539)

Batch # 06-86S (1 each)

3. Bacillus subtillus (ATCC 6633)

Batch # 10-85 (2 each)

4. Klebsiella pneumoniae subsp. pneumoniae (ATCC 10031)

Batch # 08-13-80 (1 each)

5. Escherichia coli (ATCC 10536)

Batch # 04-09-80 (1 each)

6. Bacillus cereus (11778)

Batch #05-85SV (2 each)

7. Staphylococcus epidermidis (ATCC 12228)

Batch # 11-86s (1 each)

8. Bacillus pumilus (ATCC 14884)

Batch # 09-08-80 (2 each)

Date : July 11, 1988

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 11303)

Batch # 04-875

Phase host

2. Cauliflower Mosaic Caulimovirus (ATCC 45031)

Batch # 06-14-85

Plant Virus

3. Plasmid in Agrobacterium Tumefaciens (ATCC 37349)

(Ti plasmid for co-cultivation with plant integration vectors in E. Coli)

Batch # 05-28-85

Date : April 26, 1988

Sent To: : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57236) Phage vector

Suggest host: E coli

2. Hulambda14-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57240) Phage vector

Suggested host: E coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57242) Phage vector

Suggested host: E. coli

Date : August 31, 1987

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. Escherichia coli (ATCC 23846)

Batch # 07-29-83 (1 each)

2. Escherichia coli (ATCC 33694)

Batch # 05-87 (1 each)

Date : September 29, 1988

Sent To : Ministry of Trade

Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240)

Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938)

Batch # 1963 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

3. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 3629)

Batch # 10-23-85 (3 each)

4. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 8009)

Batch # 03-30-84 (3 each)

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705)

Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

6. Brucella abortus (ATCC 9014)

Batch # 05-11-66 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

7. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 10388)

Batch # 06-01-73 (3 each)

8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966)

Batch #05-05-70 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium botulinum Type A

Batch # 07-86 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

10. Bacillus cereus (ATCC 33018)

Batch # 04-83 (3 each)

11. Bacillus ceres (ATCC 33019)

Batch # 03-88 (3 each)

Date : January 31, 1989

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. PHPT31, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase (HPRT)

Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57057)

2. Plambda500, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

pseudogene (HPRT) Chromosome(s): 5 p14-p13 (ATCC 57212)

Date : January 17, 1989

Sent To : Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Materials Shipped:

1. Hulambda4x-8, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosomes(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57237) Phage vector;

Suggested host: E. coli

2. Hulambda14, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57540), Cloned from human lymphoblast, Phase vector

Suggested host: E. coli

3. Hulambda15, clone: human hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase

(HPRT) Chromosome(s): X q26.1 (ATCC 57241) Phage vector;

Suggested host: E. coli

Additionally, the Centers for Disease Control has compiled a listing of biological materials shipped to Iraq prior to the Gulf War. The listing covers the period from October 1, 1984 (when the CDC began keeping records) through October 13, 1993. The following materials with biological warfare significance were shipped to Iraq during this period.

Date : November 28, 1989

Sent To : University of Basrah, College of

Science, Department of Biology

Materials Shipped:

1. Enterococcus faecalis

2. Enterococcus faecium

3. Enterococcus avium

4. Enterococcus raffinosus

5. Enteroccus gallinarium

6. Enterococcus durans

7. Enteroccus hirae

8. Streptococcus bovis

(etiologic)

Date : April 21, 1986

Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,

Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69, House 28/I,

Baghdad, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid

(non-infectious)

Date : March 10, 1986

Sent To : Officers City Al-Muthanna,

Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69 House 28/I,

Baghdad, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. 1 vial botulinum toxoid #A2

(non-infectious)

Date : June 25, 1985

Sent To : University of Baghdad, College of

Medicine, Department of Microbiology

Materials Shipped:

1. 3 years cultures

(etiologic)

Candida sp.

Date : May 21, 1985

Sent To : Basrah, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. Lyophilized arbovirus seed

(etiologic)

2. West Nile Fever Virus

Date : April 26, 1985

Sent To : Minister of Health, Ministry of Health, Baghdad, Iraq

Materials Shipped:

1. 8 vials antigen and antisera (r. rickettsii and r. typhi) to diagnose rickettsial infections (non-infectious)

o bacillus anthracis

o clostridium botulinum

o clostridium perfringens

o brucella abortis

o brucella melentensis

o francisella tularensis

o clostridium tetani

why yes my naive friend it was only the US....

Program development 1960s - 1980s

1959 — 17 August USSR and Iraq wrote an agreement about building an atomic power station.

1968 — a Russian supplied IRT-2000 research reactor atomic power station together with a number of other facilities that could be used for radioisotope production was built close to Baghdad.[6][7]

1975 — Saddam Hussein arrived in Moscow in April. He asked about building an advanced model of an atomic power station. Moscow would approve, but only if the station was regulated by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Iraq refused.[citation needed]

After 6 months Paris agreed to sell 72 kg of 93% Uranium[8] and built the atomic power station without International Atomic Energy Agency control at a price of $3 billion.

In the early 1970s, Saddam Hussein ordered the creation of a clandestine nuclear weapons program.[9] Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs were assisted by a wide variety of firms and governments in the 1970s and 1980s.[10][11][12][13][14] As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kobe helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. Five other German firms supplied equipment to manufacture botulin toxin and mycotoxin for germ warfare. In 1988, German engineers presented centrifuge data that helped Iraq expand its nuclear weapons program. Laboratory equipment and other information was provided, involving many German engineers. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin. The State Establishment for Pesticide Production (SEPP) ordered culture media and incubators from Germany's Water Engineering Trading.[15]

France built Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in the late 1970s. Israel claimed that Iraq was getting close to building nuclear weapons, and so bombed it in 1981. Later, a French company built a turnkey factory which helped make nuclear fuel. France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. Strains of dual-use biological material also helped advance Iraq’s biological warfare program.

Italy gave Iraq plutonium extraction facilities that advanced Iraq’s nuclear weapon program. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. Between 1979 and 1982 Italy gave depleted, natural, and low-enriched uranium. Swiss companies aided in Iraq’s nuclear weapons development in the form of specialized presses, milling machines, grinding machines, electrical discharge machines, and equipment for processing uranium to nuclear weapon grade. Brazil secretly aided the Iraqi nuclear weapon program by supplying natural uranium dioxide between 1981 and 1982 without notifying the IAEA. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.

The United States exported $500 million of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq’s nuclear program. The non-profit American Type Culture Collection and the Centers for Disease Control sold or sent biological samples to Iraq under Saddam Hussein up until 1989, which Iraq claimed it needed for medical research. These materials included anthrax, West Nile virus and botulism, as well as Brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene. Some of these materials were used for Iraq's biological weapons research program, while others were used for vaccine development.[16]

The United Kingdom paid for a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas.[17] The government secretly gave the arms company Matrix Churchill permission to supply parts for the Iraqi supergun, precipitating the Arms-to-Iraq affair when it became known.

Many other countries contributed as well; since Iraq's nuclear program in the early 1980s was officially viewed internationally as for power production, not weapons, there were no UN prohibitions against it. An Austrian company gave Iraq calutrons for enriching uranium. The nation also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales. Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq. The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq. Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions. India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses. Luxembourg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors. Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales. China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare. Portugal provided yellowcake between 1980 and 1982. Niger provided yellowcake in 1981.[18]

wiki.

[Bill Hill]

But would you sell the knife to me knowing full well I was going to kill someone with it

Right, am I psychic or using probability?

I know... because I know..?

[Bill Hill]

yeh...well... how 'bout that? ... so the Iraq war was to recover the sales deed for the chemical weapons after all.... I love to be right most of the time.....

Unfortunately, this time you're wrong....

[ninjadude]

What?? So you assume Bush might tell the Military to throw rocks at the terrorist and hunt for their own food??????

Frankly, yes, if it furthered his political and personal interests.

[ninjadude]

Obama has ZERO foreign policy experience. His two or three years in the Senate hasn't made him a foreign policy guru, and certainly his time in the State Senate didn't provide him any foreign policy experience.

You contradict yourself in your own statements. Does the senate make/influence/investigate/oversee foreign policy? Why yes I think it does. In fact, he did sit on the senate foreign relations committee. So that's <> zero now is it?

[The Silver Thong]

Right, am I psychic or using probability?

I know... because I know..?

You wouldn't need to be psychic to know you were selling someone a weapon that intended to use it would you. Maybe the psychic lol part comes into play as if the seller of the knife has no clue as to wether the weapons user, kills there victim buy slitting there throat or stabing them in the belly. The seller still knows the intent of the weapon. Hence the sale of such product only has a few uses and well after Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand the sale and the purpose was forgotten nor cared about.

[AROCES]

The morality and ethics was best described by the fact that George Bush, Sr. sold the chemicals and George Bush, Jr. executed Saddam for using them.

When did George Sr. authorize the sale?

And when did Bush Jr. authorize the excecution?

Edited June 26, 2008 by AROCES

[AROCES]

What blueprints???? They were trained . . . .

"The U.S. Army trained 19 Iraqi military officers in the United States in offensive and defensive chemical, biological and radiological warfare from 1957 to 1967, according to an official Army letter published in the late 1960s.

While the training was described as mostly defensive, it also included offensive instruction in such subjects as principles of using chemical, biological and radiological weapons, and calculating chemical munitions requirements, according to a Dec. 12, 1969, letter from then-Army Chief of Legislative Liaison Col. Raymond Reid to then-U.S. Representative Robert Kastenmeier, D-Wis. The letter was published later that month in the Congressional Record."

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0103/012803gsn.htm

Saddam was not the President of Iraq then.

[*Quinn*]

When did George Sr. authorize the sale?

How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them

THE US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

The Senate committee's reports on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.

One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.

The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs.'

This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'.

Riegle added that, between January 1985 and August 1990, the 'executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record'.

It is thought the information contained in the Senate committee reports is likely to make up much of the 'evidence of proof' that Bush and Blair will reveal in the coming days to justify the US and Britain going to war with Iraq. It is unlikely, however, that the two leaders will admit it was the Western powers that armed Saddam with these weapons of mass destruction.

However, Bush and Blair will also have to prove that Saddam still has chemical, biological and nuclear capabilities. This looks like a difficult case to clinch in view of the fact that Scott Ritter, the UN's former chief weapons inspector in Iraq, says the United Nations destroyed most of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and doubts that Saddam could have rebuilt his stocks by now.

According to Ritter, between 90% and 95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were des troyed by the UN. He believes the remainder were probably used or destroyed during 'the ravages of the Gulf War'.

Does that answer your question?

And when did Bush Jr. authorize the excecution?

Do you really want to play that dumb? Was Bush Jr. the judge that decided Hussein was guilty and would be hanged? No. Is he the one that decided he was going to remove Hussein from power, which ultimately meant he would be put on trial, found guilty, and killed? Yes, he is.

Edited June 26, 2008 by Left Field

[AROCES]

How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them

Do you really want to play that dumb? Was Bush Jr. the one that judge that decided Hussein was guilty and would be hanged? No. Is he the one that decided he was going to remove Hussein from power, which ultimately met he would be put on trial, found guilty and killed? Yes he is.

He gave Saddam an ultimatum to come clean and abide by UN Resolution 17 or we will enforce it. Now that is not an order of execution, right?

[AROCES]

How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them

Does that answer your question?

Seems like most of those dates happened prior to Bush Seniors term.

[*Quinn*]

He gave Saddam an ultimatum to come clean and abide by UN Resolution 17 or we will enforce it. Now that is not an order of execution, right?

So you have no comment on the fact Bush and Reagan sold Hussein his "weapons of mass destruction", and then fire back with this weak response?

Do you really not get what the point is? Bush's daddy sold Hussein the WMDs that Bush Jr. then decided we were going to punish Hussein for owning. Why do you choose to play so dumb, and act so naive to all of this?

Edited June 26, 2008 by Left Field