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Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge

linked-image Explosive: The Lord Chief Justice's endorsement of Sharia law has already created huge controversy

The most senior judge in England tonight gave his blessing to the use of sharia law to resolve disputes among Muslims.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said that Islamic legal principles could be employed to deal with family and marital arguments and to regulate finance.

He declared: 'It is possible in this country for those who are entering into a contractual agreement to agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.'

In his speech in an East London mosque Lord Phillips signalled approval of sharia principles as a means of settling disputes so long as no punishments that conflict with the established law are involved, and as long as divorces are made to comply with the civil law.

But his remarks - which give the green light from the highest judicial office to the informal sharia courts already operated by numerous mosques - provoked a storm of criticism.

Lawyers warned that family and marital disputes settled by sharia could leave women or vulnerable people at a serious disadvantage.

Tories said that equality under the law must be respected and warned that outcomes incompatible with English law should never be enforceable.

Lord Phillips spoke five months after Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams surrounded himself in controversy with a lecture in which he suggested Islamic law could have official status and that it could govern marital law, financial transactions and arbitration in disputes.

The Lord Chief Justice said today of the Archbishop's views: 'It was not very radical to advocate embracing sharia law in the context of family disputes.'

He added that there was 'widespread misunderstanding as to the nature of sharia law'.

Lord Phillips said: 'Those who in this country are in dispute as to their respective rights are free to subject that dispute to the mediation of a chosen person, or to agree that the dispute shall be resolved by a chosen arbitrator.

'There is no reason why principles of sharia law or any other religious code should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of alternative dispute resolution.'

Lord Phillips said that any sanctions must be 'drawn from the laws of England and Wales'. Severe physical punishment - he mentioned stoning, flogging or the cutting off of hands - was 'out of the question' in Britain, he said.

'So far as aspects of matrimonial law are concerned, there is a limited precedent for English law to recognise aspects of religious laws, although when it comes to divorce this can only be effected in accordance with the civil law of this country,' he said.

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The Sharia Council of Britain: (from right to left) Dr Suhaib Hasan, Maulana Abu Sayeed and Mr Mufti Barabatullah preside over marriage cases at their headquarters earlier this year

The signal of approval for voluntary sharia tribunals brought protests from lawyers who fear that in some Islamic communities women do not have a full and equal say and that they could be disadvantaged in supposedly voluntary sharia arrangements.

Barrister and human rights specialist John Cooper said: 'There should be one law by which everyone is held to account.

'I have considerable concerns that well-crafted and carefully designed laws in this country, drawn up to protect both parties including the weak and vulnerable party in matrimonial break-ups could be compromised.

'I have concerns over a system of law that may cause one party to be disadvantaged.'

Resolution, the organisation of family law solicitors, said people should govern their lives in accordance with religious principles 'provided that those beliefs and traditions do not contradict the fundamental principle of equality on which this country’s laws are based.'

Spokesman Teresa Richardson said religious law 'must be used to find solutions which are consistent with the basic principles of family law in this country and people must always have redress to the civil courts where they so choose.'

Robert Whelan of the Civitas think tank said: 'Everybody is governed by English law and it is not possible to sign away your legal rights.

linked-image Under fire: The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams. His comments on Sharia sparked a political storm

'That is why guarantees on consumer products always have to tell customers their statutory rights are not affected.

'There is not much doubt that in traditional Islamic communities women do not enjoy the freedoms that women in this country have had for 100 years or more.

'It is very easy to put pressure on young women in a male-dominated household.

'The English law stands to protect people from intimidation in such circumstances.'

Tories warned that principles of equality under the law must be respected.

Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve said: 'The Lord Chief Justice correctly points out that there is a tradition in this country of allowing mediation to take place subject to other legal principles as long as it is voluntary and not subject to coercion, and with outcomes which are not fundamentally incompatible with our own legal principles.

'Any that are incompatible cannot and should never be enforceable.

'One of the key aspects of our free society in Britain is equality under our own laws. It is important that this should be understood and respected by all in our country.'

A spokesman for Jack Straw's Ministry of Justice said: 'English law, which is based on our shared values of equality and a respect for the rule of law, takes precedence over any other legal system.

'The Government has no intention of changing this position. Alongside this it is possible for other dispute resolution systems on matters of civil law to be accommodated, so long as they are not in conflict with the laws of England and Wales and are abided by on a voluntary basis.'

BRIEFING: SHARIA LAW

  • Sharia law is based on the Koran, on associated teaching about the life of the Prophet Mohammed, and on the judgements of Islamic clerics and lawyers down the centuries.
  • It is in essence a set of religious principles by which Muslims are required to live. Sharia is interpreted and enforced differently in different countries across the Islamic world.
  • Islamic law is often regarded as having four parts: how Muslims should worship; commerce; crime and punishment; and marriage and divorce.
  • Sharia says forbidden behaviour, like drinking alcohol and taking drugs, or adultery, should be punished. Islamic scholars say the Koran sets down punishments such as lashes or stoning for adultery.
  • Sharia law also permits behaviour not allowed by English law, for examply polygamy, which in some jurisdictions says men may have up to four wives.
  • In Britain, sharia courts are often operated by mosques. Muslim families come to sharia courts for justice and agree to be bound by their rulings.
  • They have no formal legal status.
  • There are around 1.6 million British Muslims, most of whom are of Pakistani origin. The strongest Muslim communities are in London, especially in the East London borough of Tower Hamlets where Lord Phillips spoke yesterday, Birmingham, Yorkshire and Lancashire.
  • Orthodox Jews operate Beth Din courts which are subordinate to the civil law and which decide issues among 180,000 people according to ancient Jewish law. They are regulated by the Chief Rabbi. A divorcing Jewish couple first divorce in the civil courts, then come to the Beth Din tribunals for religious judgement.
  • The only religious courts in England with full and official legal status are the consistory courts and tribunals which decide disputes and disciplinary matters in the Church of England.

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once you start having religious law the place will be torn apart it will be one law for one and one for another, we only need common law, where it fits all, none of this changing for minorities,........4 million Muslims out of a population of 64 million. and they want to change the law of the land,

tell them either fit in or ship out,

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Now wait...did we not have this thing months ago?

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Now wait...did we not have this thing months ago?

yep, but the fella with the dead sheep on his head has brought it back to the public's attention, another liberal in an ivory tower,

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You Brits are watching your country disintegrate. How sad that a nation which was once so great should suffer such an ignominious fall.

Britain's situation perfectly illustrates Will Durant's quote: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." Truly sad.

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You Brits are watching your country disintegrate. How sad that a nation which was once so great should suffer such an ignominious fall.

Britain's situation perfectly illustrates Will Durant's quote: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." Truly sad.

spot on, and its only going to keep falling to depths never know before in such a country. to day like Q, predicted another Al Qaeda member with direct links to Osama Bin himself was realised from jail on bail. i think the politicians think if they appease them they'll leave us alone, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7487475.stm

war on terror, we cant even get it right at home, every single politician should be hung upon the nearest lamppost for treason, they're wrecking this country, and i mean wrecking it,

its time like this you wish Guy Fawkes would have been successful.

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What is the old saying? The was a time when the sun did not set on the British empire? Heck at the rate your government is giving away your freedoms you will be lucky to have any sun hitting exposed skin in the empire...cover up ladies and gentlemen...we know what the taleban did to people who didnt wear the right clothing...a few lashes and you'll be wearing a head scarf...

I realize he is saying that this is for muslims, but still, it is just crazy...how far are you guys going to go to accomodate everyone else?

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Ugh... Times like these I just want to go all Jon Shannow (Without the religious aspects)...

Revolution please. England becoming England again and not Eng-islam-land.

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What is the old saying? The was a time when the sun did not set on the British empire? Heck at the rate your government is giving away your freedoms you will be lucky to have any sun hitting exposed skin in the empire...cover up ladies and gentlemen...we know what the taleban did to people who didnt wear the right clothing...a few lashes and you'll be wearing a head scarf...

I realize he is saying that this is for muslims, but still, it is just crazy...how far are you guys going to go to accomodate everyone else?

has far as is needed, by the looks of what the politicians are doing, this labour government started the ball rolling in the 1960's. and they've been back in power for the last 19 years and in that short time, everything is going belly up, they know it, but just ignore it,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/f...icle3176455.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/f...icle3537594.ece

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Now wait...did we not have this thing months ago?

but when they think people have forgotton and moved on thats when they re introduce the idea then people become complaicent and ignore it because its boring news. just like you q, but im not gonna let you lot out their in um world forget it :D

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but when they think people have forgotton and moved on thats when they re introduce the idea then people become complaicent and ignore it because its boring news. just like you q, but im not gonna let you lot out their in um world forget it :D

Oh, its not boring... I just seem to have a longer memory than the average Joe.... what surprises me is that they are back with this Yadda Yadda so fast... must be a coordination error.

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If you want to move to a new country, you should be prepared to follow that county's rules and laws. Why is this so difficult for these Muslims to understand? If they want their own laws, they should go back to where those laws are practiced. It's so simple, yet government does not even seem to get it.

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He lives in Hampstead. smirks :innocent:

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once you start having religious law the place will be torn apart it will be one law for one and one for another, we only need common law, where it fits all, none of this changing for minorities,........4 million Muslims out of a population of 64 million. and they want to change the law of the land,

tell them either fit in or ship out,

I'm not in Britain but we have similar issues here regarding immigrants from the middle east and we share your sentiments... Immigrants from non muslim countries also agree that laws should not to be changed to cater to these people.

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Will that be Falafels or Scones with your Tea Governor?

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Surely the commoners could always throw a lovely Tea Party, :tu::o and discuss such topics of political matters over Falafels and Scones, Lovely Irish Tea... Mumzy's Governor Spongy Cake and Wavering Bread pudding…all perchesed at the Big London Day's Bake off and it I must say it was Quite the Biggest Sale out ever...

Lord Chef Juicestice Pavorotti Lord of Tarts--> 1776-- Infinity

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its disgracefull that it has even been thought of being brought it. if sharia law was ever brought into britian the place will go into chaos, as that will just push us too far. i think us brits have took far too much crap of the muslims we have bin fair with them but they demand ridiculous things all the time.

if they dont like our laws they should be gone. like was said britian is falling down the pan. this once great country is now a safe haven for terrorists who want to blow britian up but taxpayers pay for them to live in luxury. and we are losing all our morals and what britian stood for for this crazy multicultural crap.

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It's an oldie but a goodie :-

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"and we all know what happens, the big bad wolf comes along and blows down the first two houses but he can't blow down the brick one! So he flies an airplane into it and blames the jews!"

:lol: I choked a bit on my popsicle. I hadn't seen that vid of his before.

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