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Youtube to reveal its viewers

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose who watches which video clips and when.

A judge ordered YouTube to produce data on which of its videos get viewed most often and by whom.

A judge ordered YouTube to produce data on which of its videos get viewed most often and by whom.

U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton authorized full access to the YouTube logs after Viacom Inc. and other copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.

The data would not be publicly released but disclosed only to the plaintiffs, and it would include less specific identifiers than a user's real name or e-mail address.

Full story:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/07/03...t.ap/index.html

Why do I find this so disturbing?

Edited by Shankpin

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Amberlight

Uh oh, that's so scary. I better stop watching the porn, lol. :P No seriously, part of the apeal is that you can remain anonymous, and now they have direct access to actua people, does that mean that they can call these people to the stand to testify?

Nah, but still, your email address is now out there, and that is bad news.

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zrina11

Another way of keeping an eye on people? What is next?

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Ravyns_void
NEW YORK (AP) -- Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose who watches which video clips and when.

A judge ordered YouTube to produce data on which of its videos get viewed most often and by whom.

A judge ordered YouTube to produce data on which of its videos get viewed most often and by whom.

U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton authorized full access to the YouTube logs after Viacom Inc. and other copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.

The data would not be publicly released but disclosed only to the plaintiffs, and it would include less specific identifiers than a user's real name or e-mail address.

Full story:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/07/03...t.ap/index.html

Why do I find this so disturbing?

Because it's an obvious attack on civil liberties perhaps? I can't understand why the freedom of information act doesn't apply to the internet. Why does it matter if we're stopping in to watch old cartoon clips or music videos? If we're stopping in to watch those things it's because those things aren't ON t.v. anymore or we don't feel like sitting through the 23 hours of crap on MTV so that we can watch the 1 hours worth of music videos they still actually play on the hopes that we might see the one song we're waiting for. Problem is, how do we protest this, we have no voice. the u.s. gets to take down a web site that's visited internationally by millions of people. What gives them the right? Destroy the FCC and MPAA

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Radian

I absolutely agree with you, Ravyns... The scary part about this isn't just the youtube issue (and it's scary,) but what's lying and waiting after that?!! It's just the beginning of something else, and I find it nothing less than disturbing.

and I need to add...

There is so many problems/concerns with this, I don't even know where to begin with it-

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Ginger

*sigh* We might as well rip up the constitution because we sure as hell don't follow it.

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Radian

We just change the rules as we go along.. <_<

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Ravyns_void

They'll be monitoring our emails now as well soon. Those of you who are on gmail (also run by google) might want to switch. I was thinking though, if I were going to protest. I would encourage everyone to start downloading videos from youtube *cough third party clients cough* and begin storing them up on any storage device availabe. I would then, hypothetically of course, encourage those people to start emailing and posting those videos any where they could/still allowed. Perhaps starting an email catalog for said videos. But then, that's just a hypothetical scenario, I would never actually encourage people to do such a thing.

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Walter Sullivan

That's pretty scary! :o

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Ravyns_void

I agree. this has definitely gotten to a point where it's un-excusable. Something seriously needs to be done.

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Grimscythe

Of course it's the copyrighted ones that get viewed more. Stupid federal people. Half of them you can't even purchase anymore anyways! >.> Grr.

On a side note, my gmail has been over run with spam, so I dun use it.

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Radian
Of course it's the copyrighted ones that get viewed more. Stupid federal people. Half of them you can't even purchase anymore anyways! >.> Grr.

On a side note, my gmail has been over run with spam, so I dun use it.

umm you too? I chose Gmail to get away from it, yet I walk right into it..

These federal judges, they have authority (GOD) complexes.

I don't see the difference in what goes on in the privacy of your own home such as watching your television without being monitored, to watching something on your Pc screen. It's twisting the rules. What privacy?

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xCrimsonx

Someone is currently lossing out or is looking to make even more money. That is always the first reason for anything like this, secondly, If and when theres a change over the same sort of thing will still happen.

Isnt Google gunna get there hands on it to?

If its on the net and available then Im gunna look at it!

You-Tube needs to tidy things up a bit.

Edited by xCrimsonx

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Tiggs

I find it hard to believe that Google doesn't have either the necessary resources of technical know-how to make it increasingly more difficult to post commercial videos on Youtube. I think the more likely case is that they know that commercial videos are the key to making the site as popular as it has become.

It's unsurprising that the copyright holders are launching legal attacks - Google is making money out of their content. What's surprising is that it's taken this long for Viacomm to jump on the same bandwagon as Universal et al, who took a slice of Youtube's advertising revenue back in late 2006. I expect that exactly the same thing will happen here - they're just arguing over the percentages.

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ammy
*sigh* We might as well rip up the constitution because we sure as hell don't follow it.

Yeah....so much for the constitution....our founding fathers must be rolling over in there graves....

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ValkyrieVoice
NEW YORK (AP) -- Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose who watches which video clips and when.

A judge ordered YouTube to produce data on which of its videos get viewed most often and by whom.

A judge ordered YouTube to produce data on which of its videos get viewed most often and by whom.

U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton authorized full access to the YouTube logs after Viacom Inc. and other copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.

The data would not be publicly released but disclosed only to the plaintiffs, and it would include less specific identifiers than a user's real name or e-mail address.

Full story:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/07/03...t.ap/index.html

Why do I find this so disturbing?

I believe you're disturbed by it for the same reasons that I am disturbed by it. It's just one more way that the government can go in and "infringe" upon the private citizen, regardless of anonimity. Your computer's address is still attached to every anonymous screen name you create. And to believe that they can't find you because a screen name is "anonymous" is pretty ignorant. This is the computer age and their computers kick our personal home computer's asses.

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LightningMunk

yea but does this mean like if u watch part of a movie on Youtube that someone else put up, does that mean u will get in trouble for watching it?? doesnt make alot of sense, but yea does take away anonymity

sloooowly takin away the human rights haha, CONTROL :P

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Seand

Bear in mind that our email adresses and real names won't be revealed, so ultimately our privacy isn't being taken away from us. It's sory of like an anonymous opinion poll, they'll know how many people were watching said video at any particular time, but they won't know specifically who it was.

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?skeptic?

Yea, but one where we have no interest in participating and besides what if They are looking at our IP address's, ect.......

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someoldguy
Why do I find this so disturbing?

Because IMO it's a veiled threat against whoever watches certain videos on YouTube.

It's intended to discourage the activity. "Look, we've got your IP address, and we could always come back and prosecute you if we wanted to."

No, it doesn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies either.

<_<

Edited by someoldguy

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Ravyns_void

But what can we do about it. I re-iterate the point I made earlier. It isn't right that the U.S. can shut down an INTERNATIONAL web site. At the very most this case should appear in INTERNATIONAL courts. INTERpol should be sending out the subpoenas, not any national U.S. body. The Internet is NOT the sole domain of the U.S. It doesn't belong to them. Whether google is a U.S. company or not is irrelevant. It's a violation of the freedom of information act.

(B) This section does not apply to matters that--

sub section:(6) are personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

sub section:(7) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy

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Ecchi

Matter of time before they start logging all the sites we visit...

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Ravyns_void
Matter of time before they start logging all the sites we visit...

I figure they should force us all to install government issue Keystroke Loggers and Cameras to our computers. that way we have absolutely no privacy left at all. At least that would cut tax payer costs with these sham court cases that are decided before the evidence is ever even presented. The issue here isn't that Google is making money off copyrighted material. After all, none of us pay for youtube. If you mean the advertisements on the page, those aren't video specific and are randomized. The real issue is that viacom has MORE money then google, and more political ears. That's where this case was decided. At the bank.

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Lt_Ripley
*sigh* We might as well rip up the constitution because we sure as hell don't follow it.

I hear ya ... everything our forefathers fought and died for .. all the freedom we've enjoyed to be tossed aside led by a moron who calls it ' just a damn piece of paper' .

it's all very 'unAmerican' and not 'patriotic' .

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Lt_Ripley
Bear in mind that our email adresses and real names won't be revealed, so ultimately our privacy isn't being taken away from us. It's sory of like an anonymous opinion poll, they'll know how many people were watching said video at any particular time, but they won't know specifically who it was.

I don't think so.

because youtube already does that in a way. the videos with the most viewed list. as well as the counters underneath - ( ratings) you can pull up the least viewed to the most.

Edited by Lt_Ripley

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