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France rejects Muslim woman over radical practice of Islam

· Expert says Moroccan lives 'almost as a recluse'

· Case reopens debate about freedom of religion

# Angelique Chrisafis in Paris

# The Guardian,

# Saturday July 12, 2008

France has denied citizenship to a Moroccan woman who wears a burqa on the grounds that her "radical" practice of Islam is incompatible with basic French values such as equality of the sexes.

The case yesterday reopened the debate about Islam in France, and how the secular republic reconciles itself with the freedom of religion guaranteed by the French constitution.

The woman, known as Faiza M, is 32, married to a French national and lives east of Paris. She has lived in France since 2000, speaks good French and has three children born in France. Social services reports said she lived in "total submission" to her husband. Her application for French nationality was rejected in 2005 on the grounds of "insufficient assimilation" into France. She appealed, invoking the French constitutional right to religious freedom and saying that she had never sought to challenge the fundamental values of France. But last month the Council of State, France's highest administrative body, upheld the ruling.

"She has adopted a radical practice of her religion, incompatible with essential values of the French community, particularly the principle of equality of the sexes," it said.

"Is the burqa incompatible with French citizenship?" asked Le Monde, which broke the story. The paper said it was the first time the level of a person's personal religious practice had been used to rule on their capacity be to assimilated into France.

The legal expert who reported to the Council of State said the woman's interviews with social services revealed that "she lives almost as a recluse, isolated from French society".

The report said: "She has no idea about the secular state or the right to vote. She lives in total submission to her male relatives. She seems to find this normal and the idea of challenging it has never crossed her mind."

The woman had said she was not veiled when she lived in Morocco and had worn the burqa since arriving in France at the request of her husband. She said she wore it more from habit than conviction.

Daniele Lochak, a law professor not involved in the case, said it was bizarre to consider that excessive submission to men was a reason not to grant citizenship. "If you follow that to its logical conclusion, it means that women whose partners beat them are also not worthy of being French," he told Le Monde.

Jean-Pierre Dubois, head of France's Human Rights League, said he was "vigilant" and was seeking more information.

Full stroy, source: The Guardian

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Social services reports said she lived in "total submission" to her husband.

This just makes me feel sad =/

Still. Maybe she was denied emigration because she's just a b****.

I've also noticed the media having a lot of "I'm a muslim, I want people to feel sorry for me" stories lately.

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Should a country be forced to take everyone that applies?

I dont think so. Their country, their call.

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I say good call who wants a bunch of women with unibrows and mustaches.

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I agree it is their country if they dont want somebody then they don't have to have that person.

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Should a country be forced to take everyone that applies?

I dont think so. Their country, their call.

I agree. It's their call.

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France like other EU countries suffer from Islam and its followers, its a shame, but at least in this case the frogs have stood their ground, but i can feel a whip round coming on and a trip to the European Court of Human Rights,

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France like other EU countries suffer from Islam and its followers, its a shame, but at least in this case the frogs have stood their ground, but i can feel a whip round coming on and a trip to the European Court of Human Rights,

Wow I can't believe you called them frogs. That's like calling a black guy a ******....

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Wow I can't believe you called them frogs. That's like calling a black guy a ******....

Oh, they don't mind...as long as the French can call the British poodles....

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It's a shame that the islamic 'dress code' is expected more for women than men.....that's just not fair.

I see a family in Sainsbury's....the men and the kids are dressed in a totally western way...and the

woman is swathed in black with just the rectangle peep-hole.

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Wow I can't believe you called them frogs. That's like calling a black guy a ******....

No its not you tea pot, get with the program, i cant believe you think it is, :st

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France like other EU countries suffer from Islam and its followers, its a shame, but at least in this case the frogs have stood their ground

I don't feel great admitting this, but I agree. It seems like the main thing those folks have offered France is a lot of vicious riots, a disrespect for French traditions, and pushy demands that their own extremely demanding subculture be accommodated more, and more, and more. Why should France be chomping at the bit to accommodate more of them?

I can't see why the French should feel a politically correct compulsion to pretend that these people have been an asset to France..

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Seems a lil unfair they don't do something about the husband whos making her wear the burka.

I say good call who wants a bunch of women with unibrows and mustaches.

:mellow::huh::hmm::sleepy::rolleyes::D:lol::P;)

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I've made the point before of people coming to the UK and complaining about our way of life and how we are not open to theirs. This is a perfect example of this. The Muslim tradition of hiding a woman's features is 'not' native to France and, if the French don't like it, why should they be made to accept it? If the woman in question doesn't like the way she has been treated by the French, go home to Morocco. It's as simple as that.

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No its not you tea pot, get with the program, i cant believe you think it is, :st

Ok it's not you limey. :tu:

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I am going to disagree with a lot of people on this topic. There is no reason why France should deny her the citizenship. While we may not like the domineering husband, that is no reason to deny her a citizenship. There are plenty of women in the US, who after being cheated on and abused, still go back to their boyfriends/husbands. However, we do not deny them their citizenships.

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I am going to disagree with a lot of people on this topic. There is no reason why France should deny her the citizenship. While we may not like the domineering husband, that is no reason to deny her a citizenship. There are plenty of women in the US, who after being cheated on and abused, still go back to their boyfriends/husbands. However, we do not deny them their citizenships.

Yes but usually they are citizens already, so shouldn't they kick them out. (same thing with people like paris hiltion, does she really fit with good ol' america?)..

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Ok it's not you limey. :tu:

now your cooking with gas me old mucker,

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Yeah mate, personally I'm offended every time I see a 'Bow bell Lurker'

Or a woman in burkha..

It's 'cor dear impressive' (suppressive...)

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Yeah mate, personally I'm offended every time I see a 'Bow bell Lurker'

Or a woman in burkha..

It's 'cor dear impressive' (suppressive...)

'Bow bell Lurker' :D Is that your own or as it got into the language (cockney rhyming slang)

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'Bow bell Lurker' :D Is that your own or as it got into the language (cockney rhyming slang)

I'm proud to say, that's one of me own... :blush::D

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the reason bell bottoms were introduced is to make it easier to hook someone that has floated off to the ceiling when that person was on something. :lol:

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Why should they allow her too become a citizan she is totally dominated an has no free will of her own, why let someone the privlage of becoming a member of your democratic country who has no freedom of her own, she will never vote of her own accord, she will never live in french society, send them all back, let them live in thier own countrys if they cant live by other societys rules.

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Good for France. If they want to get rid of undesirables and have the law behind them, go for it.

It is probably not just this one woman. It is probably a ethnic sub-culture the French are trying to get rooted out. Not every group, or sub-culture is a good thing. And giving in to minority voices and changing a nation to fit the few is a bad decision too.

Good for the French. Keep it up. Now if the US and the rest of Europe can only grow as much backbone.

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Sounds like they need to give the husband the boot.

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