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Pyramids built by aliens

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cladking

Almost all the evidence concerning ramps say that there were no ramps. There

is no mention of them in the Pyramid Texts and the quarry is too close for ramps.

All the remains of ramps that have been found are far too low to have been any

use in building the tops of the great pyramids. There is no oral tradition among

the Egyptians that ramps were used and there are no surviving depictions of ramps

in use. The structure is far too large for enough men to have fit on ramps to build

it.

So ramps must be considered a remote possibility.

But there is plenty of evidence. Most people want to ignore what I believe is the

best fit theory for how they were built so I'm starting this thread to come up with

a second best theory. My intention is to add to it as I research with anything which

supports the idea that aliens built the pyramids. For my standard of evidence I'll

try to use nothing more far-fetched than what ramp proponents have used for their

evidence.

This could become the longest thread at UM. ;)

I'll start off by observing that The kings ascended to heaven; to the stars. They were

the literal sons of the sky (Nut) and used the pyramids as a sort of "launch pad" when

they "passed on". The sky was known as the "Great Sieve" because of all the flying

saucers passing through her in every which way.

This is always ignored by ramp proponents but the Pyramid Texts explicitly state the

pyramids were built by "Gods". Unless you're a pagan you have no choice but to

either believer they were built by aliens or the Egyptians were quite confused. How

could all these people be so confused and still build such a spectacular object?

This could be a fun thread and I invite everyone to play along whether they believe

in little green men or big green geysers. By the time we get through we could have

a best selling book and split the proceeds.

All we'll need is a conspiracy angle to be sure the book sells and this will be easy enough

so long as Hawass is around. ;)

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louie

I hear the thunderous feet of a thousand irate sceptics, coming your way.

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I'll play skeptic once the OP clarifies with or without geysers ....

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cladking
I hear the thunderous feet of a thousand irate sceptics, coming your way.

Hey, I ain't scared of no skeptic when the evidence is on my side. ;)

Did I mention that ramps don't explain why the sides of the Great Pyramid are

in-leaning and why there are grooves in the sides? The ramp theory sheds no

light on why there would be sand in the interior of the pyramid.

The first intermediate period was obviosly caused by the disruption to the econ-

omy when the aliens went home. They had been eating tons of leeks and carrots

which contributed so mightily to the economy that they inscribed it right into the

casing stones to remind men how important they were. These were the only

earth food they could consume but half the economy was given over to their pro-

duction. When they pulled out the economy collapsed.

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cladking
I'll play skeptic once the OP clarifies with or without geysers ....

It seems unlikely there were both geysers AND aliens. ;)

No geysers.

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isis-999

NO alien's just people who had the means and desire to build big..... :rolleyes:

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It seems unlikely there were both geysers AND aliens. ;)

No geysers.

Aha...new theory... could you not try something a little more verosimil?

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jaylemurph

I notice that clad has neither brought forth any actual evidence for his position (other than some more or less specious religious claims) nor against the accepted version. Perhaps he'd deign to give us one or the either so we might /discuss/ something, or is this just another "Look at me! I know What's Really Going On " thread?

--Jaylemurph

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cladking
Aha...new theory... could you not try something a little more verosimil?

One must go with the evidence.

It's not like you can just build a theory in thin air. It has to have support so that men can cling to it and use it to go about their tasks and lives. A theory must be well anchored and be made of the available material. If it's ever seen to be no longer needed then it has to be of a nature that it can be cast aside. Old discarded theories never seem to be heaped up and set to the side. One shouldn't claim that when studying the history of a theory that it is younger because "old would" was sampled or that the inside is older than the outside. Even the concrete must be continually addressed.

Theories are hard to build. When they are founded on bedrock they can be quite interesting but they must soar far above this for any practical benefit. Of course, they are never safe for men to depend upon with their lives because most will be found in the long run to either never have had a manifestation or to lead to the unexpected.

The aliens could explain it better.

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jaylemurph
One must go with the evidence.

It's not like you can just build a theory in thin air. It has to have support so that men can cling to it and use it to go about their tasks and lives. A theory must be well anchored and be made of the available material. If it's ever seen to be no longer needed then it has to be of a nature that it can be cast aside. Old discarded theories never seem to be heaped up and set to the side. One shouldn't claim that when studying the history of a theory that it is younger because "old would" was sampled or that the inside is older than the outside. Even the concrete must be continually addressed.

Theories are hard to build. When they are founded on bedrock they can be quite interesting but they must soar far above this for any practical benefit. Of course, they are never safe for men to depend upon with their lives because most will be found in the long run to either never have had a manifestation or to lead to the unexpected.

The aliens could explain it better.

So this /would/ just be a ""Look at me! I know What's Really Going On™ " thread, then?

--Jaylemurph

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One must go with the evidence.

If you actually did that we would not have to endure this type of brain m********ion.

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Nessies 2nd Cousin

If there is one thing that the Egyptians were good at it was covering up things. They almost managed to entirely wipe a Pharaoh from their own history. Surely if alien ships assisted them that too could be wiped out.... but then again so could if they used ramps so back to square one.

WHat proof do you actually have already?

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cladking
I notice that clad has neither brought forth any actual evidence for his position (other than some more or less specious religious claims) nor against the accepted version. Perhaps he'd deign to give us one or the either so we might /discuss/ something, or is this just another "Look at me! I know What's Really Going On " thread?

--Jaylemurph

OK, if you can't read the rest of the thread then try to keep up with me here.

We won't want to have to go over all this twice.

Utterance 300.

445a. To say: O Hrti of Nsȝ.t, ferryman of the ’Iḳh.t-boat, made by Khnum,

445b. bring this (boat) to N. N. is Seker of R-Śtȝ.w.

445c. N. is on the way to the place of Seker, chief of Pdw-š.

445d. It is our brother who is bringing this (boat) for these bridge-girderers (?) of the desert.

Note that almost every boat mentioned has a different identifier. Oh sure there

are some like the []nw-boat that appear repeatedly but most are apparently the

names of specific ships.

Let me ask a very obvious question here. What kind of ship goes to the desert?

obviously there are no ships known to ancient man which could sail on the des-

ert so the only possibility is that it was flown to the desert. Hence it was a space-

ship.

These are incontrovertible facts rather than an assumption of ramps.

What about the water rising up under Giza? The water couldn't flow up ramps

and ramps are never used to contain water or move it. But aliens could be thirsty.

Perhaps they were extracting this water for transport to their home world. This

might explain why they spent so much time here.

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cladking
If you actually did that we would not have to endure this type of brain m********ion.

Hey! "Verosimil" was your word not mine. ;)

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Donnie  Darko
One of my teachers lived near Thailand? for several months. He told me some incredible stories about the pyramids over there. While on a tour he noticed a bunch of drawings of highly advanced aircraft..much like the UFO's sighted in modern history. He showed me some pictures and it is amazing the evidence there is. Why alot of people cannot accept it is beyond my own understanding...? I guess they are frightened. They want logical answers that satisfy their minds and adjust to their comfort levels..it is hard to mentally digest the reality of the situation. Edited by Ozzy Valentine
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cladking
If there is one thing that the Egyptians were good at it was covering up things. They almost managed to entirely wipe a Pharaoh from their own history. Surely if alien ships assisted them that too could be wiped out.... but then again so could if they used ramps so back to square one.

WHat proof do you actually have already?

There's actually a great deal of evidence for aliens*. I hope to

add plenty more right here.

There's one very simple fact; it was the only means possible for

the ancients to have built the pyramids. They didn't have cranes

or even simple tools like the wheel or pulleys. There is no evid-

ence for ramps at the higher levels and great doubt it was even

possible using these.

What more evidence is needed. If there are no other possibilities

then the only job left is to see how the evidence fits. This will be

good 21st century science when we're done.

*more than for ramps, anyway.

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darkbreed

Even I don't see any evidence of aliens building anything here.

Personally I think this is the solution to the pyramids and their use and the ascension to the skies etc as you talk about:

They were built to serve as both temples for rituals and spiritual work and to help the pharaos ascend and keep their consciousness after death (meaning that they kept their consciousness in their astral body after death and were able to "live on" and go further instead of being reincarnated again).

In other words I think it got all to do with spiritual practices and preparations for the afterlife.

Further evidence for this is material like the Egyptian book of the Dead and the egyptian religious belief system in general.

Also notice the similarities between the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Tibetan book of the Dead, which I find interesting as both serves the same purpose (help the deceased to navigate the afterlife properly).

Egyptian book of the Dead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_book_of_the_dead

Tibetan book of the Dead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_book_of_the_dead

-EA

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They were built to serve as both temples for rituals and spiritual work and to help the pharaos ascend and keep their consciousness after death (meaning that they kept their consciousness in their astral body after death and were able to "live on" and go further instead of being reincarnated again).

In other words I think it got all to do with spiritual practices and preparations for the afterlife.

-EA

so all these different cultures, around the world conveniently built the same structures? all to do the same thing? without meeting each other?

i dunnnno

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cladking
One of my teachers lived near Thailand? for several months. He told me some incredible stories about the pyramids over there. While on a tour he noticed a bunch of drawings of highly advanced aircraft..much like the UFO's sighted in modern history. He showed me some pictures and it is amazing the evidence there is. Why alot of people cannot accept it is beyond my own understanding...? I guess they are frightened. They want logical answers that satisfy their minds and adjust to their comfort levels..it is hard to mentally digest the reality of the situation.

I strongly agree.

People become their beliefs. Anything that doesn't fit usually can't

even be seen. Despite the fact that there is no conclusive proof for

aliens, ramps, levitation, or geysers everyone is wrapped so tight-

ly in their own thinking that they refuse to step out.

Rather than look at the world as a set of probabilities we see it as a

massive collection of certainties. This would be bad enough if we

reached our own conclusions but for the main part we allow others

to give them to us.

If this thread shakes one person out of his convictions it will have

succeeded far better than I'd ever expect.

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jaylemurph
These are incontrovertible facts rather than an assumption of ramps.

Let's get this straight: your interpretation of a translation of religious poetry is /not/ in any way an "incontrovertible fact". In point of fact, it's not any kind of a fact.

By the exact same logic, it's an "incontrovertible fact" that Yahweh was created the Earth in six days, Jotundhiem is a real place and Medusa and her sister were real.

so all these different cultures, around the world conveniently built the same structures? all to do the same thing? without meeting each other?

i dunnnno

Because it's a very, very basic form of architecture. And people figure out very, very basic things first. Do you also seriously wonder that people in different places figured out spears first instead of thermonuclear warheads? It's exactly the same principle.

--Jaylemurph

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Agent. Mulder
Because it's a very, very basic form of architecture. And people figure out very, very basic things first. Do you also seriously wonder that people in different places figured out spears first instead of thermonuclear warheads? It's exactly the same principle.

--Jaylemurph

but people now-adays we Still cant firgure out For sure, How they did it. we just have theories. seeing as nothing was left to show us How they did it. if it Was super basic like you claim, people wouldnt be finding it Impossible to recreate one today, using the same methods, that they theorized these people used.

lmfao youre funny. its Not the same principle. because youre also stating that they All believed in the same things as well just building the same Exact structures pretty much. for the same reasons. that they all figured this out. but left not traces of how they were built for some reason.

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There's actually a great deal of evidence for aliens*.

Outside of "looney internet living in a basement dying a virgin land", where is this evidence?

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but people now-adays we Still cant firgure out For sure, How they did it. we just have theories. seeing as nothing was left to show us How they did it. if it Was super basic like you claim, people wouldnt be finding it Impossible to recreate one today, using the same methods, that they theorized these people used.

lmfao youre funny. its Not the same principle. because youre also stating that they All believed in the same things as well just building the same Exact structures pretty much. for the same reasons. that they all figured this out. but left not traces of how they were built for some reason.

Right, we are so stuck up our own asses that we cannot figure out bronze age technology....

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Agent. Mulder
Right, we are so stuck up our own asses that we cannot figure out bronze age technology....

ummm, are you Dense? we cant. we tried. could barely do anything.

and we still dont know How these strcutures were built, we just theorize for now.

take your head outa youre A$$

*edit* off to work. peace

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Donnie  Darko
Right, we are so stuck up our own asses that we cannot figure out bronze age technology....

Nice foot. :unsure2:

Well I don't know if your serious or not..

There are alot of things that even the greatest scientists still don't have answers for. I don't see why intellegent beings from space other than humans are out of the question.

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