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BlindMessiah
This just begs the question

On your knees.

On one hand she preaches family and christian values

Correct.

On another she cant even keep her daughter in raps

You can't control your children, merely instruct them. If a teenager wants to have sex, a teenager will have sex. No matter can stop that.

Is everybody else supposed to teach their celibacy when she holds double standards when it comes to her own daughter

She doesn't hold a double standard. It'd be a double stand if she told her daughter to have sex and get pregnant.

Palin is just hungry for money and power and she wil use any means to get it

Prove it.

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BlindMessiah
Teenagers get pregnant, I don't give a CRAP about that.

Umm... good standard to keep...

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Aztec Warrior
I didn't call anyone ignorant ...

And I was talking about Palin (who is a politician) as a conservative parent, and my point was if people were gonna stereotype a conservative politician as being too ignorant to talk to their kids about sex and birth control ... that would be no different than someone stereotyping liberal politicians all cheating on their spouses... get it? :tu:

And btw.. nothing is wrong with me... (only because you asked)

I wasn't singling you out and yes, I don't believe you called anyone ignorant.

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Neognosis
Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million.

Sometimes it appears as if some conservatives think that if they have the money to take care of their problems, then everyone should have the money to take care of theirs and not need assistance. Or maybe they think that because they worked hard and also got some good breaks, then anyone who is not as wealthy as them simply must not work as hard or try.

By the way, I am still wondering why you thought I claimed that it was poor parenting on Palin's part.

Because you keep writing things like this:

If she wants to be taken seriously, practice what she preaches.

How, exactly, has she not practiced what she preaches? Did she have an affair? No. Did she have an abortion? No. Did she rob a bank? Commit welfare fraud? Buy an electric car? No, no, no.

HER KID GOT PREGNANT. That doesn't in any way indicate that SARAH PALIN doesn't practice what she preaches. It indicates that her daughter was having sex, while HER MOTHER preaches against *spam filter* and sex ed. See, the daughter and the mother are not the same person. Therefore, Sara Palin is not guilty of failing to practice what she preaches because BRISTON PALIN got pregnant.

What would you like her to do to "practice what she preaches?"

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BlindMessiah
HER KID GOT PREGNANT. That doesn't in any way indicate that SARAH PALIN doesn't practice what she preaches. It indicates that her daughter was having sex, while HER MOTHER preaches against *spam filter* and sex ed. See, the daughter and the mother are not the same person. Therefore, Sara Palin is not guilty of failing to practice what she preaches because BRISTON PALIN got pregnant.

People are dense.

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Neognosis

I agree, Blind Messiah. I think that if George Washington were to run for president today, he would lose because the opposition would convince dense people that he was a golddigger because he married a wealthy widow. Or that he only cared about power because he wore his uniform to the continental congress, knowing that they would push for his election as commander in chief because of his connections and military experience. Or they would exploit the mistakes he made during the French and Indian war.

If the dense people of today were faced with a choice to elect GW, they wouldn't, because nobody would even know what his policies were, only that he was sterile (therfore not a real man...), married to a widow, had bad teeth, massacred a French force who was trying to surrender, and once overexaggerated his failing eyesight to influence the emotions and sympathies of his subordinates.

NONE OF THIS MATTERS.

Believe me, I'm no Sarah Palin fan. But I dislike her because I DISLIKE HER POLICIES. See, I know what they are. Do you? Or are you honestly going to not vote for someone because their kid got pregnant, or you think she want's power (a politician who wants power?....) or she might be on the ticket because she's a woman, or whatever other stupid nonsense is being bandied about. It's sad and a little frightening to me, that this is how we choose our leaders.

Ben Franklin would have been recalled from France as ambassador for fear his extra-marital affairs might make Washington look foolish. Jefferson would have been unelectable because he had an affair with Sally Hemmings. Don't even get me started on JFK or FDR (lesbian first lady? President with a current mistress?)

Please....stop making our country worse off by electing people based on irrelevant nonsense and learn about policy and make informed, intelligent decisions. Even if you don't vote for who I'll vote for, at least make the wrong decision for the right reasons....

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BlindMessiah
I agree, Blind Messiah. I think that if George Washington were to run for president today, he would lose because the opposition would convince dense people that he was a golddigger because he married a wealthy widow. Or that he only cared about power because he wore his uniform to the continental congress, knowing that they would push for his election as commander in chief because of his connections and military experience. Or they would exploit the mistakes he made during the French and Indian war.

Ya, or Thomas Jefferson. He'd probably be a libertarian and thus labeled a nut by both parties. And can you imagine what'd they think of his view that Jesus didn't perform miracles. *gasp*

Believe me, I'm no Sarah Palin fan. But I dislike her because I DISLIKE HER POLICIES. See, I know what they are. Do you?

Yes I do.

Even if you don't vote for who I'll vote for, at least make the wrong decision for the right reasons....

Haha, that's one way to word it. ^_^

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Stubbly_Dooright
How, exactly, has she not practiced what she preaches? Did she have an affair? No. Did she have an abortion? No. Did she rob a bank? Commit welfare fraud? Buy an electric car? No, no, no.

HER KID GOT PREGNANT. That doesn't in any way indicate that SARAH PALIN doesn't practice what she preaches. It indicates that her daughter was having sex, while HER MOTHER preaches against *spam filter* and sex ed. See, the daughter and the mother are not the same person. Therefore, Sara Palin is not guilty of failing to practice what she preaches because BRISTON PALIN got pregnant.

What would you like her to do to "practice what she preaches?"

Interesting, interesting. I see where you got it from. Although, I am not to dispute Sarah and Bristol being two different people, but I will not back down on the fact, that by law, Bristol is still Sarah's, and let's not forget Mr. Palin's responsiblity. If Sarah Palin wants to run in politics, so she can tell how everyone else how to raise their children, I think she better lead an example. ALthough, I still don't think that is saying, that Sarah is a poor parent. You see, I don't get why you would think I would say poor parenting. I would think that Sarah is practicing hypocracy for not making sure her children are raised and behaving in the matter she herself preaches. That does not mean that if they do not, that I am calling her a poor parent. I am just saying she somehow, and yes, I am saying 'failed' to make sure her daughter follows her concepts. That is no way, myself saying she was a poor parent. I am in now way even saying that any child who gets pregnant, is poor parenting. I'm just saying I think it was Sarah's responsiblity to make sure her family follows her concepts, and one didn't. I didn't, ever, say that Sarah Palin was a poor parent. So, from a particular sentence you read, you came to a conclusion that I am saying she is a poor parent. Personally, I think that is a stretch.

HER KID GOT PREGNANT. That doesn't in any way indicate that SARAH PALIN doesn't practice what she preaches. It indicates that her daughter was having sex, while HER MOTHER preaches against *spam filter* and sex ed. See, the daughter and the mother are not the same person. Therefore, Sara Palin is not guilty of failing to practice what she preaches because BRISTON PALIN got pregnant.
I will always feel, in my opinion, that her daughter, a minor in her home, is the responsiblity of the parents, and if they want to raise the children they see fit, they need to make sure of that. I personally believe that Bristol will have the right to be that seperate person when she is lawfully an adult. Until then, the fact that she got into the situation she did, while still in the home and wardment of her parents, then yes, I firmly believe that Sarah, and her husband, didn't practice what they preach in their own home. That is how I feel that the situation is. It is obviously you don't think so, and I will not attack you for that. But you need to understand, that I have good reason to feel the way that I feel.

Frankly, anybody's family shouldn't be a conversation peace, if there was not such thing as a pro-family values goal. It's like inviting a personal and private institution as a public thing. But invited into the forefront it did, and you can see why so many are shaking their heads at this.

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Stubbly_Dooright
I agree, Blind Messiah. I think that if George Washington were to run for president today, he would lose because the opposition would convince dense people that he was a golddigger because he married a wealthy widow. Or that he only cared about power because he wore his uniform to the continental congress, knowing that they would push for his election as commander in chief because of his connections and military experience. Or they would exploit the mistakes he made during the French and Indian war.

If the dense people of today were faced with a choice to elect GW, they wouldn't, because nobody would even know what his policies were, only that he was sterile (therfore not a real man...), married to a widow, had bad teeth, massacred a French force who was trying to surrender, and once overexaggerated his failing eyesight to influence the emotions and sympathies of his subordinates.

NONE OF THIS MATTERS.

Believe me, I'm no Sarah Palin fan. But I dislike her because I DISLIKE HER POLICIES. See, I know what they are. Do you? Or are you honestly going to not vote for someone because their kid got pregnant, or you think she want's power (a politician who wants power?....) or she might be on the ticket because she's a woman, or whatever other stupid nonsense is being bandied about. It's sad and a little frightening to me, that this is how we choose our leaders.

Ben Franklin would have been recalled from France as ambassador for fear his extra-marital affairs might make Washington look foolish. Jefferson would have been unelectable because he had an affair with Sally Hemmings. Don't even get me started on JFK or FDR (lesbian first lady? President with a current mistress?)

Please....stop making our country worse off by electing people based on irrelevant nonsense and learn about policy and make informed, intelligent decisions. Even if you don't vote for who I'll vote for, at least make the wrong decision for the right reasons....

Personally, I already felt I had enough to go on to who I wanted to vote for, before McCain picked his VP, so you don't have to worry about that. What I personally get upset at, is that so much of the politicians talk about one thing, and then you see them doing the opposite. The confusion does nothing that helps the public, the way I see it. Should we ignore the 'Do as I say, don't do As I do' line of thought? I don't know about you, but I don't want to.

I am also in the camp of admiring Obama's words and inaction on the matter. Hell, I will say it, he's better than me on this issue. I feel that you could be selling the American public short if you think that America is going to vote on their feelings of someone's personal life.

I'm with you, I do not like what she stands for either. Then again, you would probably get a pretty good idea who I ready to vote for, and I already came to that conclusion long before VP nominations. I wouldn't even say that Palin's media situation clinced it, because that's a matter that came after. If she was pro-choice, and behind any kind of family, her position with her daughter might make me change my mind.

Maybe it's my retail background, but an appearance to me, and this is to my opinion, I think appearances make all the difference. Granted, that could be superficial to look at in the long run, but in the end, they do make a difference in how we view people. I also think it's said that anyone's personal life and those in it are dragged up front, haven't we seen the Bush's daughters dragged countless times though the media? Palin had the choice to accept the VP nomination. I personally think she shouldn't have accepted it. But that is something, that is not a defining marker for me. It's just my food for thought, that is all. I think we are all allowed that.

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Sherapy
Yes, it's sexist if you want to view it that way. I'm female, I'm completely liberal as well. However, I DO believe that infants need their moms. I believe that teenaged girls need their moms. I believe that new born grandchildren need their grandmas. Dads are important, don't get me wrong, however, they are not moms. These people have a lot going on in their family. A pregnant teen, a downs syndrome INFANT, an impending grandchild... As a mother, I couldn't take that job knowing I'd largely be ignorning ALL of them.

MW, i concur that is exactly what we ( my circle of comrades) l think here in California....we know so much more now and how wimportant the mom is ..we were discusisng this at work tonight many of us can't get past the downs syndrome baby, this lady is needed at home. a home where it will matter very much to the lives she committed too esepcailly the teenage dauhgter who will be a mother before she herself ahs matured... .. being a mother at 30 is hard let alone 17.....

how does the public downplay her personal life as nothing to be concerned about and no reflection or concern on her ability to commit 110 percent..........or how this shouldn't be given a second thought its all in a day... come on a downs syndrome child is alot of work, i know a few familys iwth DS children and autistic and the moms are

home .....I think it matters alot ...

Gosh I feel bad if she has to work ....do you think she has to???

I think the best I can all do is not vote for her for her sake and her families...........

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BlindMessiah
MW, i concur that is exactly what we ( my circle of comrades) l think here in California....we know so much more now and ho wimportatn the mom is ..we were discusisng this at work tonight many of us can't get past the downs syndrome baby, this lady is needed at home. a home where it will matter very much to the lives she committed too esepcailly the teenage dauhgter who will be a mother before she herself ahs matured... .. being a mother at 30 is hard let alone 17.....

how does the public downplay her personal life as nothing to be concerned about and no relfection or concern on her ability to commit 110 percent..........or how this shouldn't be given a second thought its all in a day... come on a downs syndrome child is alot of work, i know a few familys iwth DS children and autistic and the moms are

home .....I think it matters alot ...

Gosh I feel bad if she has to work ....do you think she has to???

I think the best I can all do is not vote for her for her sake and her families...........

The public should downplay it because it isn't our concern. It's her choice how to handle her own home. It's our choice to decide if her political views are right for our country.

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IrishAidan07

Frankly, I don't think her 17 year old daughter being pregnant is a big deal. I'm 22 and have 3 kids that live with me (2 of my own, 1 adopted). I have two degrees. I own my own home. I drive a new car (new when I bought it in 2006). I'm doing just fine.

But I forgot - I'm not the one who carried my children 9 months. O.K. Well, the mother of my children lives in the same house I do, the one we own, drives the same car I do, the new one we own, and has a bachelors in media broadcasting or something (I can never think of the specific name).

Anyway, my point is that if you are adamant enough in what you're doing, having children at a young age is not necessarily an impediment. People who say that either never had kids at a young age or couldn't handle it themselves. Either way, it's Mr and Mrs. Plain's business - not the American public. Her daughter is not running for vice president.

I don't have anything invested in this either. I'm not voting for McCain - period. Doesn't matter who he picks as VP. My vote is for Obama.

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Sherapy
The public should downplay it because it isn't our concern. It's her choice how to handle her own home. It's our choice to decide if her political views are right for our country.

I am concerned due to the demands of her personal life if she can even do the job.......she has alot on her plate ..it does affect your ability to do a good job and as VP that matters to me how stress free are you.. how aware you are....etc. .....In my years and as a buisness owner part of those years i have seen people who literally can't function after so much stress.......

a public servant is a very demanding job....no????.

about her views : they do not reflect forward growth not the growth we as a country need at this time. nor does her posit seem like any kind of solution its more of the same staying in the dark ages............IMO

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CosmicStaR

Yepp--it's completely irrelevant to her being VP

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IrishAidan07

Also, what the hell does her daughter, who is nearly 18, being pregnant have to do with her being able to successfully fulfill the obligations of her job? The child is the Momma and Daddy's responsiblity, not the Grandma's.

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Stubbly_Dooright

Her daughter's situation should have nothing to do with it. Her characther on the other hand, in my feeling does. And frankly, it's telling me her characther as who she portrays who she is and irrelevant to what she is doing. She is family values according to her political party.

"Christian nation".[4] For example, the American Family Association, says "The American Family Association exists to motivate and equip citizens to change the culture to reflect Biblical truth and traditional family values."[5] These groups variously oppose abortion, pornography, pre-marital sex, homosexuality, some aspects of feminism,[6] cohabitation, and depictions of sexuality in the media.

link: ----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values

When I first heard of McCain's choice of VP, she was tauted as the conservative person, meaning also with the conservative thought of their family values. I personally think that no one should come across as one who wants to push an agenda on everyone's personal lives. And yet, one of those who pushing it, she is not living it. What does that tell you about character? And the fact, she more than likely know about her situation before she accepted the nomination, what does that say about her character there? I maybe wrong on this, and you all have a point, but one thing always stands clear with me, the 'family values' that is constantly shoved into the forefront of our media and political agenda should never even been done. We are a country of many types of families and many families of very strong people, so we shouldn't have to have anyone with a certain way of how a family should be or shouldn't be. You are all right, her daughter is irrelavant to her campaign. Now I am hoping, the 'family values' campaign will disappear!

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Neognosis
And yet, one of those who pushing it, she is not living it.

Ok, HOW is she not living "family values?"

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BiffSplitkins
HER DAUGHTER got pregnant. A 17 year old girl, no matter how she's been raised, most likely has a mind of her own. It is insanity to hold the mother responsible and a failure for the acts of a woman just shy of legal adulthood. Especially when you don't personally know the people.

Decide to vote or not vote for her based on her record and her platform, nothing more.

I'm voting for her because she's HOT :D

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Ok, HOW is she not living "family values?"

Her daughter, under her wardment, practicing pre-marital sex. You know how I feel about the situation. The thing is, pre-marital sex, and all that that is labeled of what conservative family values package should not be an issue in any political and media policy. Don't you think? Do you like people telling you how to live your personal life?

You might be thinking of the correct way of family values, and that might point out what Palin is doing right now, but are you disagreeing on the fact that the typical conservative family values sect abhores pre-marital sex? Are you disagreeing that Palin never tauted herself as someone for conservative family values?

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Stubbly_Dooright
I'm voting for her because she's HOT :D

Shall I vote for Obama because he's tall, dark, and handsome? ;)

Ok, Ok, no I wouldn't, but I did notice!

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Neognosis
I am concerned due to the demands of her personal life if she can even do the job.......she has alot on her plate ..it does affect your ability to do a good job and as VP that matters to me how stress free are you

But the VP doesn't do anything. They are the president of the senate and can vote to break a tie only. Other than that, they don't do much of anything at all.

But that's irrelevant anyway. Please, please, please vote for a person based on their record and policies. Not if you think they might be too busy with family. That's just nonsense. Even if McCain dies and Palin becomes president, I'm relatively certain she can hire help that would take much better care of her kids than any working mother ever could. This is just ridiculous and insulting on so many levels that anyone would consider a person's family situation in light of whether or not they should be elected to office. It's sexist (maybe when she's VP the husband can take a sabaticle and take care of the kids....but agian, IRRELEVANT), it's just silly (wealthy politicians can pay people to take care of their kids....maybe having a full time staff and secret service would have the kids better taken care of than if she was working in corporate America...) it's insulting to our national intelligence that we are willing to ignore policies and vote for who has the smallest or healthiest family. come on people....

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But the VP doesn't do anything. They are the president of the senate and can vote to break a tie only. Other than that, they don't do much of anything at all.

But that's irrelevant anyway. Please, please, please vote for a person based on their record and policies. Not if you think they might be too busy with family. That's just nonsense. Even if McCain dies and Palin becomes president, I'm relatively certain she can hire help that would take much better care of her kids than any working mother ever could.

Frankly, you don't come off to me as someone, who actually backs this. That any woman, with a family, is just as capable anyone else to do a job. As a working wife and mother, a working military wife and mother, I appreciate those who feel the way that you do. And yes, that is what I would consider as perfect family values. Something that shows strength in your family, no matter what family you are in. And it would be sexist to think she can't handle the job as president with five kids, when we wouldn't think twice on a male president with five kids. Mostly so in this day and age. I mean, hell, there is a Mr. Palin. He must be doing the job of helping her raise the children!

Then again, any gender president, with a lot on their plate, are they able to handle the stress of politics?

Another question, is everyone here actually using this subject to help them vote? Or is it just something that needs to just talk about and just that?

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Neognosis
Her daughter, under her wardment, practicing pre-marital sex.

HER DAUGHTER. Not HER. HER DAUGHTER. A parent could live their values, and impart those values fully to their kids, and the kid can still stray and make a mistake. You are making the most humorous and ignorant leap in judgement. Surely, you aren't ignorant enough to believe that the kids of people who live conservative values never get pregnant, are you? Yet, you continue to imply that somehow she does not live her proclaimed values because of a mistake her daughter made.

Now, partly because of people like you, they are going to force this kid to marry the father to appease the type of person who is ignorant of policy and votes based on some ridiculous fuzzy feel good emotion. .. In some twisted miscarriage of logic, this seems to be the right thing to do for some of you.

Calling her a hypocrite for not living her conservative values because her daughter is pregnant requires the most severe intellectual disconnect and a serious inability to create and analyze a logical sequence of reasoning.

Do you like people telling you how to live your personal life?

I sure don't. Yet, you seem to have no issue with judging someone else for how a mistake a member of their family made. Hm, interesting.

are you disagreeing on the fact that the typical conservative family values sect abhores pre-marital sex? Are you disagreeing that Palin never tauted herself as someone for conservative family values?

You seem to be under the imaginative delusion that because Palin's daughter got pregnant, Sarah Palin therfore must have not taught her the correct values. That's just ignorant. Kids taught the most stringent conservative values still have premarital sex and occasionally end up pregnant. For your illogical train of thought to work, you have to assume that SP did not teach her kids any of her values, that she knew the daughter was having sex, and that she did not try to teach her better. This is just one ridiculous and baselesss assumption upon another.

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BiffSplitkins
Shall I vote for Obama because he's tall, dark, and handsome? ;)

Ok, Ok, no I wouldn't, but I did notice!

Trust me, I was being sarcastic. I'm still up in the air about who to vote for. It's like trying to choose the last 2 kids left for dodge ball team, you know the kids that nobody wants.

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Neognosis
Then again, any gender president, with a lot on their plate, are they able to handle the stress of politics?

That is irrelevant and beyond the scope of what should be considered when voting for someone.

Another question, is everyone here actually using this subject to help them vote? Or is it just something that needs to just talk about and just that?

yes, stupid people will acutally base a vote on things like hairstyle, marrital status, height, children, voice, good looks, or what a candidates kids do. As an example, all the hillary supporters who decided t vote for another candidate who's policy is the polar opposite of the candidate they originally wanted. Idiots.

I think I need to start a seperate democratic country with passing grade on some sort of logic and reasoning test required for citizenship.

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