Dixie-Girl Posted September 30, 2008 #1 Share Posted September 30, 2008 The polls continue to fluctuate every week or so, depending on the top story of the moment. Don't get me wrong, I respect anyone's right to wait until the last minute to chose his or her candidate, but I just don't understand it. To me, Obama and McCain are so different. If you're undecided, can you explain to me how it's possible at this stage in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindMessiah Posted September 30, 2008 #2 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Lack of an ideology perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted September 30, 2008 #3 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I don't think ideology has anything to do with it. Don't let this and other forums skew your view. The majority of people don't view themselves as Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal. Party affiliation or ideology affiliation is meaningless to most people. I think history is veru clear for those who will look and have the courage to accept it. On the whole, Republicans are are lower taxes, less government, stronger defense and more personal responsibility. On the whole Democrats are for more and higher taxes, more government regulations and oversight of everything, cutting defense and relying on talk, and a government program to answer all the problems and hurdles of life. There are exceptions and it's never a straight cut. But on the whole if you look at the last 30 years (from Carter on) that's the only breakdown a thinking person can get. So which do you agree most with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnaka Posted September 30, 2008 #4 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted September 30, 2008 #5 Share Posted September 30, 2008 The majority of people don't view themselves as Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal. Party affiliation or ideology affiliation is meaningless to most people. And you would be VERY wrong in that. Non registered voters are meaningless. In 2004, it (the Democratic Party) was the largest political party, with 72 million voters (42.6% of 169 million registered) claiming affiliation.[7] An August 2008 estimate is that 51% of registered voters, including independents, lean toward the Democratic Party and 38% lean toward the Republican Party Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindMessiah Posted September 30, 2008 #6 Share Posted September 30, 2008 And you would be VERY wrong in that. Non registered voters are meaningless. Ummm, meaningless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted September 30, 2008 #7 Share Posted September 30, 2008 The polls continue to fluctuate every week or so, depending on the top story of the moment. Don't get me wrong, I respect anyone's right to wait until the last minute to chose his or her candidate, but I just don't understand it. To me, Obama and McCain are so different. If you're undecided, can you explain to me how it's possible at this stage in the game? To me they're both exactly the same, they'll say whatever they think appeals to their "target audience" to get votes. If I find a third party candidate who I think both genuinely believes in what he says and fits my ideals I'll vote for him. I just haven't gotten around to researching them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted September 30, 2008 #8 Share Posted September 30, 2008 And you would be VERY wrong in that. Non registered voters are meaningless. Source I would be ashamed to be seen with people who vote for the next president of the United States just because they're in the same party.... It's ridiculous to turn a blind eye to issues you don't agree with just because he's "your man" according to the consensus. Also, last time I checked my vote is worth just as much as a party member's vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQLserver Posted September 30, 2008 #9 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Exactly. I never could understand it. I've overheard a lot of conversations that go as follows: "Well, I think Palin's good" "But, I like Obama" "Yeah, I like him too" "Do you think that Palin's experienced enough" "I dunno. But I think I'm going with Obama." And: "Yeah, even though Obama went to Harvard I don't think I'm gonna vote for him" "Yeah, it's a real hard decision though." Seriously? What the heck. I don't understand why American politics have become all about the presidential candidate, AND NOT ABOUT THE ISSUES. I could care less who the person running is, as long as they aren't ridiculously flawed/stupid/elitist/criminal. If McCain and Obama's positions were switched, I would vote for McCain. It's the issues that matter, not exactly the candidate. I'm interested a heck of a lot more in WHAT THEY WILL DO then their age, skin color, quality of speeches, or charisma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAidan07 Posted September 30, 2008 #10 Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) I think a few things need to be taken into consideration before an undecided voter is written-off as ideologically defective. For example, often times we vote for people because we like them, even though their policies may not be in our best interest. We just sometimes like a person. I know many Democrats who've told me how much they like and admire John McCain. I know a few Republicans who've told me they like and admire Barack Obama. I think many of the undecided voters share this paradigm. Edited September 30, 2008 by IrishLexie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCrazes Posted September 30, 2008 #11 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I don't think ideology has anything to do with it. I think history is veru clear for those who will look and have the courage to accept it. On the whole, Republicans are are lower taxes, less government, stronger defense and more personal responsibility. On the whole Democrats are for more and higher taxes, more government regulations and oversight of everything, cutting defense and relying on talk, and a government program to answer all the problems and hurdles of life. There are exceptions and it's never a straight cut. But on the whole if you look at the last 30 years (from Carter on) that's the only breakdown a thinking person can get. So which do you agree most with? This is a traditional view of the parties and very untrue today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAidan07 Posted September 30, 2008 #12 Share Posted September 30, 2008 This is a traditional view of the parties and very untrue today. Not to mention an incredibly bias view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Posted September 30, 2008 #13 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I like a lot of the things Obama has to offer, and I don't like a lot of the things he has to offer. I like a lot of the things McCain has to offer, and I don't like a lot of the things he has to offer. That's why a lot are undecided and I think the majority of individuals should be undecided for a while. Because, if you tune one candidate out...that individual might have something to say that you REALLY like but you missed it because you already made up your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAidan07 Posted September 30, 2008 #14 Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) I like a lot of the things Obama has to offer, and I don't like a lot of the things he has to offer. I like a lot of the things McCain has to offer, and I don't like a lot of the things he has to offer. That's why a lot are undecided and I think the majority of individuals should be undecided for a while. Because, if you tune one candidate out...that individual might have something to say that you REALLY like but you missed it because you already made up your mind. Good post. I really think that makes a lot of sense. This is why I consider myself a left-leaning Independent. I refuse to assign myself to the Democratic Party because I'm one of those people who realize there is more than one way to get things done. I don't always think the Democrats have the best ideas, so I don't register as a Democrat. The chance of me voting for a Republican is nil, but with a candidate like John McCain, it's certainly a possibility. The first debate the two had didn't make my decision any easier. Right now, it's about 53-47 in favor of Obama. I really like McCain, but the fact that his campaign is run by a bunch of lobbyists isn't setting right with me. Also, his conviction that Iraq is still a good idea p***es me off. He's really going to have to talk smooth in the next few debates. Edited September 30, 2008 by IrishLexie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman Bass Posted September 30, 2008 #15 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Most undecided voters remain undecided at this point because, to be blatantly honest, most of them either don't know or don't give a **** about politics, so when they can actually be arsed to vote, they tend to vote on stupid personality-based ****. Very few of them follow political news like the partisans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAidan07 Posted September 30, 2008 #16 Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) The problem, however, is that the partisans read and hear only the news they want. If something distasteful should sneak past their "la-la" defense mechanism, they flop around like fish out of water trying to refute it. This is true for the Left & Right. Edited September 30, 2008 by IrishLexie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted September 30, 2008 #17 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Neither.... I don't feel partially strong towards one or the other... Both will let you down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindMessiah Posted September 30, 2008 #18 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Exactly. I never could understand it. I've overheard a lot of conversations that go as follows: "Well, I think Palin's good" "But, I like Obama" "Yeah, I like him too" "Do you think that Palin's experienced enough" "I dunno. But I think I'm going with Obama." And: "Yeah, even though Obama went to Harvard I don't think I'm gonna vote for him" "Yeah, it's a real hard decision though." Seriously? What the heck. I don't understand why American politics have become all about the presidential candidate, AND NOT ABOUT THE ISSUES. I could care less who the person running is, as long as they aren't ridiculously flawed/stupid/elitist/criminal. If McCain and Obama's positions were switched, I would vote for McCain. It's the issues that matter, not exactly the candidate. I'm interested a heck of a lot more in WHAT THEY WILL DO then their age, skin color, quality of speeches, or charisma. Like I said, most people don't have an ideology so they don't vote based on issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravergirl Posted September 30, 2008 #19 Share Posted September 30, 2008 This is the most confusing election I have ever witnessed. (cuz u know im so old and have seen TONS of them ) Obama looks like a republican that was forced to be a democrat. McCain has support from some big democratic names. Obama looks like Osama and we have been trying to find the S for so long people think the B is muslim. Palin is a woman and who is Obama's running mate anyway? We just need more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted September 30, 2008 #20 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Obama looks like a republican that was forced to be a democrat. ROTHFLMAO!!! Obama is as much a Republican as I am a Socialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Posted October 1, 2008 #21 Share Posted October 1, 2008 ROTHFLMAO!!! Obama is as much a Republican as I am a Socialist! Uh oh, you did it now! You're going to Guantanamo Bay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fylgja Posted October 1, 2008 #22 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Funny how a lot of democrats like McCain before the campaign. I remember them saying he was a more moderate canidate, more liberal than other republicans. lol I am undecided because I do not like either one so much. They are politicians. You can't trust anything they say. I will be voting for the least of the two evils, but in the end you are just choosing between a douchebag and a **** sandwhich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted October 1, 2008 #23 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Remember the "Maverick John McCain" when he was going against the Republicans during the 90's? Everyone loved him then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishAidan07 Posted October 1, 2008 #24 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Remember the "Maverick John McCain" when he was going against the Republicans during the 90's? Everyone loved him then! As I've said numerous times, I'm a left-leaning Independent (basically a Democrat), and I like John McCain. You can't very well lump all Democrats in with the hard left. My father, for example, is a registered Democrat. He still speaks just as highly of John McCain now as he did when he wasn't running. It just seems you're trying to make some odd point about the sense in which Democrats operate with, but it fails right from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fylgja Posted October 1, 2008 #25 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Remember the "Maverick John McCain" when he was going against the Republicans during the 90's? Everyone loved him then! Yeah, and all of my republicans friends hated him! They said he was too liberal. Funny how views change so much when election year comes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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