AROCES Posted October 18, 2008 Author #151 Share Posted October 18, 2008 2nd time now. They weren't socialist, obviously you don't get it. Same ideology, just different design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splodgenessabounds Posted October 18, 2008 #152 Share Posted October 18, 2008 (edited) Same ideology, just different design. WRONG, WRONG, SO WRONG . Edited October 18, 2008 by Splodgenessabounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 18, 2008 #153 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Give it time, it does not deterioate in one day really. Funny, you were saying a moment ago that the Great American Capitalist Dream was working fine until a few days ago. That seems to be deteriorating pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted October 18, 2008 Author #154 Share Posted October 18, 2008 (edited) Funny, you were saying a moment ago that the Great American Capitalist Dream was working fine until a few days ago. That seems to be deteriorating pretty quickly. How many times have the United States gone thru a recession in it's history? It's an economic cycle, you want to see and study a total collapse then read about the former USSR. Edited October 19, 2008 by Tiggs Removed Flamebait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted October 18, 2008 Author #155 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Socialism and communism are nothing like fascism, and if you think socialism and communism are the same... Same ideology, just different design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splodgenessabounds Posted October 18, 2008 #156 Share Posted October 18, 2008 (edited) Same ideology, just different design. Oh I get it. It's the repeat yourself game, I'll play, WRONG, WRONG, SO WRONG . Edited October 18, 2008 by Splodgenessabounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted October 18, 2008 #157 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Dying??? We just had a 49 straight months of economic growth that ended over a year ago, and the country is about to die now??? This is a perfect example of fear mongering, a pure political scare message. You exaggerate the situation and let it be known if the left does not gets its Socialist government the country will die, like the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republic. LOL Where were you when the International Monetary System almost collapsed, exactly? You know - I wouldn't care as much if you were just destroying the American economy. If you want to put yourself and your offspring into a state of spiralling inescapable debt and financial slavery just so Paris Hilton can buy some more bling, then be my guest. But you're not. You're destroying the entire World's economy. Entire nations are sliding into bankruptcy. If you could just hold off from pressing the self-destruct button again for the next few years while the rest of the World marginalises America's impact on the World economy by moving to the Euro as it's reserve currency, the rest of Civilisation would be very grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted October 18, 2008 Author #158 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Where were you when the International Monetary System almost collapsed, exactly? You know - I wouldn't care as much if you were just destroying the American economy. If you want to put yourself and your offspring into a state of spiralling inescapable debt and financial slavery just so Paris Hilton can buy some more bling, then be my guest. But you're not. You're destroying the entire World's economy. Entire nations are sliding into bankruptcy. If you could just hold off from pressing the self-destruct button again for the next few years while the rest of the World marginalises America's impact on the World economy by moving to the Euro as it's reserve currency, the rest of Civilisation would be very grateful. AGAIN, any economy has it's ups and down. All you are doing is capitalizing on the current economic situation to promote your failed socialistic ideology. The Euro being strong for now is just part of the free market system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted October 18, 2008 #159 Share Posted October 18, 2008 AGAIN, any economy has it's ups and down. All you are doing is capitalizing on the current economic situation to promote your failed socialistic ideology. The Euro being strong for now is just part of the free market system. No. You're just in denial of the current economic situation because it exposes your failed and fatally flawed Republican ideology. When was the last time that over half the nations Mortgage providers were nationalised, exactly? To the nearest century? Unfortunately for you, it's collapsed so close to the election that you can't rely on short voters memories to get you out of trouble this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 18, 2008 #160 Share Posted October 18, 2008 So they have been doing it for centuries? And they have been around for three millennium as a country...and china pretty much owns the pink slip on the US at this point... It isnt working obviously. No it isn't working, china has gone to a controlled capitalism society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 18, 2008 #161 Share Posted October 18, 2008 They weren't socialist, they were fascist. In a proper socialist society there isn't a dictator. There has never been a country in history to properly adopt either socialism or communism. Get that? Actually the country that comes the closest is the united states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 18, 2008 #162 Share Posted October 18, 2008 forced socialism doesn't work. it isn't working in china where they have been living it for centuries. 1949 may be a long time ago, but I don't think it's quite centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 18, 2008 #163 Share Posted October 18, 2008 (edited) Tell you what: If you like a socialist economy why don't you move to Russia? It would be your paradise. Um.. it hasn't been socialist since about 1991, actually. In fact, it's been quite a good example of how well an unrestrained capitalist economy works. The mafia particualrly approve of it. The soviet union is still trying to figuare that one out. Um (part 3): see my comment above. It doesn't exist any more. Unless you're talking metaphysically, of course. Edited October 18, 2008 by 747400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 18, 2008 #164 Share Posted October 18, 2008 1949 may be a long time ago, but I don't think it's quite centuries. Sorry I didn't mean the government I ment the people, families. Um.. it hasn't been socialist since about 1991, actually. In fact, it's been quite a good example of how well an unrestrained capitalist economy works. The mafia particualrly approve of it. Um (part 3): see my comment above. It doesn't exist any more. Unless you're talking metaphysically, of course. I meant it died trying to figuare it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted October 18, 2008 #165 Share Posted October 18, 2008 But you're not. You're destroying the entire World's economy. Entire nations are sliding into bankruptcy. If you could just hold off from pressing the self-destruct button again for the next few years while the rest of the World marginalises America's impact on the World economy by moving to the Euro as it's reserve currency, the rest of Civilisation would be very grateful. There it is. The great "evil" America at it again. Talk about self-centered points of view! So when Europe goes into a recession and it hurts America that's OK. Or when south east asia goes down the tubes that's OK. But when America hits it's bottom cycle - how selfish of us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted October 18, 2008 #166 Share Posted October 18, 2008 There it is. The great "evil" America at it again. Talk about self-centered points of view! So when Europe goes into a recession and it hurts America that's OK. Or when south east asia goes down the tubes that's OK. But when America hits it's bottom cycle - how selfish of us! ... This is not an economic lull. It's not like production has slowed down, or people just aren't spending as much. The International monetary system ceased to function, to the extent that Nations are bankrupts and the majority of the civilised world is having to guarantee the banks, in order to prevent the total collapse of the World's financial system. Talk about a self-centred point of view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 18, 2008 #167 Share Posted October 18, 2008 ... This is not an economic lull. It's not like production has slowed down, or people just aren't spending as much. The International monetary system ceased to function, to the extent that Nations are bankrupts and the majority of the civilised world is having to guarantee the banks, in order to prevent the total collapse of the World's financial system. Talk about a self-centred point of view! The United States Does not control the world banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted October 18, 2008 #168 Share Posted October 18, 2008 The United States Does not control the world banks. Correct. What's your point, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexG Posted October 18, 2008 #169 Share Posted October 18, 2008 The United States Does not control the world banks. No, but we do have to coordinate and work with them. The WWF (World Wide Financial) system is too interconnected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 18, 2008 #170 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Correct. What's your point, exactly? But you're not. You're destroying the entire World's economy. Entire nations are sliding into bankruptcy. If you could just hold off from pressing the self-destruct button again for the next few years while the rest of the World marginalises America's impact on the World economy by moving to the Euro as it's reserve currency, the rest of Civilisation would be very grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted October 18, 2008 #171 Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, really. What's your point - exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 18, 2008 #172 Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, really. What's your point - exactly? We don't control the banks the banks are holding the world hostage. We have already paid or voted to pay them 700 billion to let the world go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted October 18, 2008 #173 Share Posted October 18, 2008 * Sighs * And who's job is it to legislate and regulate those banks, so this kind of thing doesn't happen? Actually. Forget that. We're drifting badly off topic. I'll start another thread. The OP of this thread was: Obama interview Obama unsure about tax increase if economy stays weak, he believes in trickle down now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted October 18, 2008 #174 Share Posted October 18, 2008 What is this? Desent amoung the liberals?? Questionmark says gov spending is the only way to get us out of a recession and into prosperity. Can't you guys agree on anything? Contrary to Neocons yes. YES indeed. Democracy is very messy. Different opinions and such. Maybe you should go hide in the basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted October 18, 2008 #175 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Can anyone explain to me how you get a prosperous growing economy without somebody becoming "rich"? Maybe you should read about or visit some European countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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