shapeshifting

[Shadowmalerenamon]

If people wish to discuss shapeshifting in a historical, metaphysical, or some other such sense, please feel free to do so, however understand that the creation of threads that are of the "Please teach me to do xyzkineses." are not allowed in this forum, and I have no problem including shape-shifting into that category.

Same here. This may not answer anything, but it must be said to the OP. This is a discussion forum, so don't bother labelling your thread with "No skeptics"

[Kazahel]

I have read where one poster said he has shape-shifted during dreams. I find this interesting, since lucid dreaming entails being in a dream and telling yourself that you are dreaming AND being able to change what happen in the dream. To me, this implies that the person willingly shape-shifted during their dream. Perhaps whoever posted this could elaborate a bit?

I'm not sure how else I can elaborate. When I was much younger(17ish) I got bored with flying around in my lucid dreams so I started to run instead to see how fast I could go. I found it hard to run sometimes in a normal stance(like running in water)so I used my fingertips to dig into the ground so I could pull myself along with my hands while I was running. I found it made me move much faster during lucid dreams and it also made me shift quite often into a wolf. I would get paws and a nose and I was always a wolf. I started out shifting into a black wolf but after years of running I slowley turned into a white wolf with a grey tipped nose. It felt so real when I was fully shifted and the running was trippy.. its like you know when your doing it properly because you hands and feet kinda trot(if thats the right word).. I even howled once to call for the pack which was so strange. Before I learned to run I would try to shift into a wolf sometimes and would be like a standing wolf(werewolfish).. but only after I learned to run that way did I fully shift into an animal. I didnt actually mean to either it just happened when I ran in that way. I was so happy the first time because it was such a rush and is very addictive because of the enjoyment.

Anyway so I spent years running around and changing colour and eventually I started to shift into a lion thing but I could not run with it.. it wasnt really for that though I did test run him, and he corners very well cause the nails are longer to dig into the dirt. I also somehow shifted into a crocodile but I didnt try to shift into that, it just happened.. but during that experience I understood that I needed better teeth inorder to eat faster so I placed my feet together to form a tail which I flicked and shifted myself into a great white shark. That was really trippy because my mouth was so big and I had gills and I felt so powerful.

Anyway mostly I willingly shifted but after a long time running I would shift natually sometimes when I would run in normal dreams. I found because I had run everytime I went lucid I started to run with all fours sometimes when I wasnt lucid at all. Then because that would shift me then I would actually go lucid because I was aware I had shifted. And sometimes I would just go lucid when my fingertips would dig into the ground getting ready to run. So sometimes I willingly shifted and sometimes I didnt. I had a dream not that long ago where I was a rat in my old kitchen and I was running around on the benchtop.. I knew I had to get to higher ground so I stood up and went into almost human form and then when my eye sight reached the higher level(above the cupboards) I shrunk back down into a fully shifted rat(to be ontop of the cupboards). I was a nice looking rat too... I was all white but with brown patches. It was cute and it wasnt a creature I had ever thought about shifting into. It just happened. But I was only half lucid.. it was like I was lucid enough to know what I was, but that was all. I tend to go with the flow of the dream more now rather than go too lucid to change them. And my most fun shift is probably being the chameleon.. your lower to the ground and I get a rush from running upside down while sticking to the ceiling. It's trippy.

I think any spiritual journey comes to us and that we cannot call on it to happen, and that nobody can teach us how to shape-shift or embark on any type of spiritual journey. It just happens, and there is always a reason for that journey.

I would be more interested in those type of meditations/visualization without peyote or other types of drugs.

People probably cant teach shapeshifting... I dont know.. but I would say that if you want to shift, lucid dreaming and running with all fours might let you.

And all my shapeshifting expereinces have been without drugs.

[SRGhostgirl]

Hi Kazahel:

Thank you for elaborating on shape shifting while dreaming. Have you ever found yourself looking into the symbolics of shape-shifting? For example, it was so easy for you to become the wolf, but difficult to become a lion. Since all spiritual experiences correspond somehow to what goes on in our life at that time, I have no doubt that the wolf means something to you, as does the lion.

Love and Light,

Susan

[Ghost-Fox]

I only what to say something,

You have wisely chose the place to write you're post.

I think that shape shifting are a psycologic effect.

First, whit intense meditation, you can alter the perception of reality. So you can feel, what you're imagination think is the nearest of what a best fell. (and is close to reality!)

Second, many people aren't realy strong mentally, so, whit-out a doubt, if you're good for altering you're perception, you may do the same whit people who are more perceptive. (hypnosis)

Exemple, I heard about martial artist that are specialised at altering there perception to fight like an animal. But, thay not shape shift :-P. Only, there movement seem to be natural, but they are realy unusual! (Like jumping like a lion, 4 legged!) It's realy surprising!

Have fun to be what you whant to, but don't get traped, isn't the reality!

Edit: I forgot to tell, the base composition of our body are realy near those of the animal, so if you have studied a little bit the inervation and the bone, you can get you're perception REALY close to the reality (close but not as)

(sorry for my mistake I speak french and I wrote to the sound!)

And, dont forget,

You're already one of the stronger best ever, a human!

Edited November 8, 2008 by Ghost-Fox

[Shadowmalerenamon]

You're already one of the stronger best ever, a human!

True, there is no being stronger than a human. We are thought to be weak because we don't have claws, wings, etc. Humans have the most powerful natural weapon in existence, the hand. The hand can manipulate the environment, and when coupled with intellect, it is truly mighty.

[Mattshark]

Shapeshifting is horribel and painfull... anyone that have experienced it know how painfull it is.

It's not possibel to mentor anyone in shapeshifting to, it's just something that you are. Your nature.

I don't belive you are one of those real shapeshifter unleas you go to plastic surgery....

I would actually say it is in fact a complete biological impossibility.

[Shadowmalerenamon]

I would actually say it is in fact a complete biological impossibility.

Well said

[Kazahel]

Hi Kazahel:

Thank you for elaborating on shape shifting while dreaming. Have you ever found yourself looking into the symbolics of shape-shifting? For example, it was so easy for you to become the wolf, but difficult to become a lion. Since all spiritual experiences correspond somehow to what goes on in our life at that time, I have no doubt that the wolf means something to you, as does the lion.

Love and Light,

Susan

I think of them in my own way I guess. I figured my wolf went whiter because I was happier and at peace more. Like I was black wolf when I wanted to fight but when I wanted to just run and enjoy the sun I seemed to be white. The lion came about because of a vivid vision/dream I had once which introduced me to the lion(I was placed inside a large lion that was sitting in the clouds under a rainbow).. and after that I shifted to lion instead of wolf. I thought it was over for wolf but I dreamed awhile ago that I was watching my shadow which was still a running wolf. It was like I was human but my shadow was of a wolf which was running on the spot.

Anyway the wolf was tricky to shift into until I learned to run. The lion was more about sitting I think. And the first creature I ever shifted into was actually a fish(like a tapole, maybe alittle bigger).. in one of my first lucid dreams when I was young I went lucid next to a puddle of water under a bridge(like a very small stream).. so I dove into it and shrunk down into a tiny fish. Then I swam around and teleported myself to other waters around the world. I swam down the ice waters of antartic and then to the caribbean where I almost got speared by a fisherman. By that stage I was not lucid enough to not be afraid of the spear, so I swam away from it instead of standing up out of the water like I wished I had when I woke up. So yeah anyway.. the fishy was easy. It was just a matter of finding the water.

[Kazahel]

(sorry for my mistake I speak french and I wrote to the sound!)

And, dont forget,

You're already one of the stronger best ever, a human!

Yes true.. humans are human.. its just if you want to run faster then you dont run like a human. Or if you wish to swim faster you dont swim like a human(in dreams). And having both is fun in dreams. Like I once dreamt that I was just normal and then I placed my arm into a pipe and turned it into a green python, which I then used to eat a red serpent which had been hiding and sleeping in the pipe under the french castle.. It was trippy because I only shifted my right arm into a serpent and then my vision went into like a snake cam thing, and it was like I was then the snake at the same time while still being aware it was my arm because I used it to help pin the snake down. Was a pretty cool dream because it was a weird half shifting thing... Castle dream

So hands are cool but.

Edited November 11, 2008 by Kazahel

[Ghost-Fox]

I said this,

Because we are realy lucky, we can try to understand other animal. It's seem easy for us, but remeber, is realy hard for all other animal.

Overmore, some people forget that human shape are build to run in forest. If you don't understand, try this: Go in forest, run and use you're hand. Don't run 4 legged tought! Use you're hand on three and thing arrond to get faster. You can make square turn, and you'll be very agill. (Whit a little bit of pratice.)

Hand are powerfull wearpon. You can hit the weak point without any trouble, and use tool.

Other tings, people only don't know how to fight like an humain against other creature. For exemple, against a dog, you can win because of you're side step. Let the dog trying to attack you're hand, then make a side step and conterattack (Whit foot and first, don't let any chance). You'll see, the dog while run tail between leg's! (Some people use thing to protect there arm, then they let's the dog bite. After the strike a weak spot of the dog, his nose (I tell nose, because I don't know how to say: "Museau"). ) (Ok, I'm a martial artist... Don't know if everybody are hable to stay cool). NEVER GET ON THE GROUND. Human are very weak on the ground because, you can't use you're leg, nor Jump or run.

That is in our world. In dream world, have fun . Is sad to alway be the same! To tell the truth, in my dream, I never feel completly human.

Edited November 11, 2008 by Ghost-Fox

[Raivrso]

Hm.

Honestly.

I think to even consider shape shifting or give it a try, You should learn your Physics, Biology, Chi/Psi control and use.

You need to know how the body works, how the DNA is structured, all that goood stuff. The exact count of cells in the form you choose to be.

If your worried about your soul changeing, etc. Your soul is unchangable. It is constant, all you can do to it is learn and experience.

[Mattshark]

Hm.

Honestly.

I think to even consider shape shifting or give it a try, You should learn your Physics, Biology, Chi/Psi control and use.

You need to know how the body works, how the DNA is structured, all that goood stuff. The exact count of cells in the form you choose to be.

If your worried about your soul changeing, etc. Your soul is unchangable. It is constant, all you can do to it is learn and experience.

If you learn about physics and biology you'll learn that is it not possible. Even if you alter your DNA you can not alter you species.

Any such biological alter would be 100% fatal.

It is also is completely against the laws of physics.

Sorry but that above is nonsense.

[Ghost-Fox]

Right, well said mattshark.

Forgot the DNA trick's. I know what is (I'm a Médical biologist student) and I tell you THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. If you whant to alter you DNA you add better chance with UV. And you may catch the cancer! (Cancer is cell whit a not fonctional inhibiting of contact, because of altered DNA).

And overmore, Did you how much basis did we have?

Answer-> Humain over 3 billion. And that, in each cells of our body!

ATTGCAATCCGGAAA

TAACGTTAGGCCTTT

This is only 15 per basis.

And they didn't code for any protein.

GOOD LUCK BOY! : (GIRL)

I said that if you know how animal body is build, and how you're is. Is easyer to imagine the feeling of. But you cannot be! Don't fool people around! Some people are young here!

Edited November 11, 2008 by Ghost-Fox

[Shadowmalerenamon]

If you learn about physics and biology you'll learn that is it not possible. Even if you alter your DNA you can not alter you species.

Any such biological alter would be 100% fatal.

It is also is completely against the laws of physics.

Sorry but that above is nonsense.

Also well said. Even a small change or mutation in DNA is most likely fatal.

[Agent. Mulder]

Here's a some video's of an alleged shapeshifter.

Watch these and tell me what you think is ACTUALLY taking place here.

holy crap!!!

..that was lame. dont post things like that. waste of time.

[Kazahel]

Yes, so basically shapeshifting in the physical is not something thought plausible. But shapeshifting in the dream time.. is a fact.

Overmore, some people forget that human shape are build to run in forest. If you don't understand, try this: Go in forest, run and use you're hand. Don't run 4 legged tought! Use you're hand on three and thing arrond to get faster. You can make square turn, and you'll be very agill. (Whit a little bit of pratice.)

With regards to running... basically when your dreaming I've found that the only way to move superfast is by running with hands(otherwise it can be like moving through water), so that you can pull yourself along at the same time. It's like you gallop and it has a distinct rythem. So you might not be as agile but you are faster.. and I only run to move fast you know. I run that way for speed(its a rush). And I stand up if I need to. So I dont forget our agility but when it comes to running on long straights its just better using everything to move you along and not just your feet.

Edited November 13, 2008 by Kazahel

[Agent. Mulder]

Yes, so basically shapeshifting in the physical is not something thought plausible. But shapeshifting in the dream time.. is a fact.

With regards to running... basically when your dreaming I've found that the only way to move superfast is by running with hands(otherwise it can be like moving through water), so that you can pull yourself along at the same time. It's like you gallop and it has a distinct rythem. So you might not be as agile but you are faster.. and I only run to move fast you know. I run that way for speed(its a rush). And I stand up if I need to. So I dont forget our agility but when it comes to running on long straights its just better using everything to move you along and not just your feet.

not something thought POSSIBLE. at all.

and you can do anything in your dreams though.

[Ghost-Fox]

To kazahel:

I can't argument you're dream! If it is, it is.

[Agent. Mulder]

To kazahel:

I can't argument you're dream! If it is, it is.

no one can, but who cares about a dream?

were talking Real life here. shapeshifting.

[Kazahel]

no one can, but who cares about a dream?

were talking Real life here. shapeshifting.

Actually the OP didnt specify that. He asked how to shapeshift and if anyone was knowledgeable on the subject. Which is why I've been posting.. I'm not sure why others have been posting though to be honest.

hello, i've been interested in shapeshifting fo quite a while now, and i would like to know if there is anyone on this forum who is knowleagable of the subject, or can possibly mentor me online about it. thanks so much in advance.

So basically good luck to you all in shifting in the physical. If you actually want to experience shapeshifting though, you can lucid dream it.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Kazahel

[ArchangelBaw]

Here's a some video's of an alleged shapeshifter.

Watch these and tell me what you think is ACTUALLY taking place here.

It looks to me like advertisement of something I don't wish to purchase! from some scary man I hope I never meet!

shapeshifting is a fascinating subject. But it's gotta hurt the back! I'm no expert so I can't really help out here.

Edited November 14, 2008 by ArchangelBaw

[Agent. Mulder]

...no one believes these videos do they?

[ArchangelBaw]

...no one believes these videos do they?

Believe it or not, I actually don't. The presentation is rather offensive to my ears with all the hooting, howling & screaming. Like I said, It looks to me like advertisement of something I don't wish to purchase! from some scary man I hope I never meet!

[Shadowmalerenamon]

...no one believes these videos do they?

I don't believe anyone honestly does.

[lordstanley]

If i could, i would! I would be a different thing everyday! I would travel the world as

important people and put tabs in their names! LOL I would go to people's houses that i

dislike and form into their mothers and kick them in their shins hahahah

I would rule the world!!!!!!!!!! MWAhahahahahaah

Ok i am back.........