shapeshifting

[Emma_Acid]

If you actually want to experience shapeshifting though, you can lucid dream it.

But you're not actually shapeshifting. You're just dreaming you are.

[Kazahel]

But you're not actually shapeshifting. You're just dreaming you are.

Which is as close as anyones gonna get imo.

Basically try it yourself and then tell me it didnt feel like you shapeshifted. It's called dreamshifting or something like that. And I believe its where the stories of shapeshifters came from. But thats a personal belief.

I mean if I'm standing up as a man in a lucid dream and then I place my hands down and shift into a full wolf(so I got paws and a nose and a tail), then to me that is shapeshifting, just in dreaming time.. Which is the only difference kinda.

Like I tried to explain before.. the reason we dont usually know we are dreaming is because we get fooled by it, because of the realism involved. If you dream your walking around a shopping center for example, odds are your going to find it hard to know your dreaming. Unless your naked or something like that triggers you into thinking its a dream. Otherwise you just dream away thinking your in a shopping center with no idea your dreaming because its so realistic. imo anyway.

[Emma_Acid]

Which is as close as anyones gonna get imo.

Basically try it yourself and then tell me it didnt feel like you shapeshifted. It's called dreamshifting or something like that.

That's a meaningless sentence. I could have dreamt last night that I owned a purple unicorn with 6 legs. You can't say "thats the closest you will come to owning a purple unicorn with 6 legs" because purple unicorn with 6 legs don't exist.

You can't "come close" to doing something that you can't do.

Its genuinely meaningless.

(and yes, I have tried it, I used to have lucid dreams and sleep paralysis all the time when I was a kid. Its just dreaming.)

Edited November 19, 2008 by Emma_Acid

[Kazahel]

I could have dreamt last night that I owned a purple unicorn with 6 legs. You can't say "thats the closest you will come to owning a purple unicorn with 6 legs" because purple unicorn with 6 legs don't exist.

Actually I think I can say that if I like. And it makes perfect sense to me.

Anyway like I said... dreamshifting is like a branch of shapeshifting.. its like another way to do it. And personally I dont believe in full shifting(like as in waking life).. so...

and yes, I have tried it, I used to have lucid dreams and sleep paralysis all the time when I was a kid. Its just dreaming.

Cool so what animal did you shapeshift into? I would like to read about it hey cause I'm interested in that stuff. Maybe you could write it out for us? Or maybe youve posted it before and can give a link if you dont want to write it out again?

And what has sleep paralysis have to do with anything?

Anyway.. so if someone shapeshifts in a dream into an animal and spends the night running around that way.. you would not call that shapeshifting or dreamshifting?

[Emma_Acid]

Anyway like I said... dreamshifting is like a branch of shapeshifting.. its like another way to do it. And personally I dont believe in full shifting(like as in waking life).. so..

Anyway.. so if someone shapeshifts in a dream into an animal and spends the night running around that way.. you would not call that shapeshifting or dreamshifting?

But they're not actually physically doing it. If you videoed someone "dreamshifting" all you would see is someone asleep, in bed.

And no I wouldn't call it "dreamshifting" or "shapeshifting". I'd call it "dreaming" because thats what it is.

"Sleepwalking" is called that because you actually physically walk somewhere - you don't just dream you do.

And shapeshifting in real life is impossible, for thousands of proven biological reasons.

Edited November 21, 2008 by Emma_Acid

[eight bits]

Fascinating, as Brother Spock used to say.

Two people who are in full agreement (no living human body can ever be a living wolf's body) having an argument.

Now there's an Unexplained Mystery.

Emma, your remote ancestors almost surely got a few extra meals (and so in time it came to be that there is now a you) by attending to what they learned about antelope from being antelope only in their dreams. Because they were human, they tarted it up with BS. It's who we are, and what we do.

Fine, in the end, all you needed to come into being is that they got the meal. Thank you, ancestors, and especially thank you, antelope.

Dream well, Kazahel. You, too, Emma.

[S2F]

Buerhater1000, don't ever reply with anything even remotely like that again. You have no idea if someone may think to try something like that on their own. It is irresponsible at best.

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[Kazahel]

But they're not actually physically doing it. If you videoed someone "dreamshifting" all you would see is someone asleep, in bed.

And no I wouldn't call it "dreamshifting" or "shapeshifting". I'd call it "dreaming" because thats what it is.

"Sleepwalking" is called that because you actually physically walk somewhere - you don't just dream you do.

And shapeshifting in real life is impossible, for thousands of proven biological reasons.

Show me where in the OP where it says we are only talking about physical shifting here. And post your experience please... like you said youve done it so then tell us all about it(what animal were you and how did you shift into it?). Or are you just saying youve lucid dreamt a few times and havent shifted at all?... Is that what you meant? Try looking up dreamshifting.. there is such a thing you know.

hello, i've been interested in shapeshifting fo quite a while now, and i would like to know if there is anyone on this forum who is knowleagable of the subject, or can possibly mentor me online about it. thanks so much in advance.

And shapeshifting is not done in the physical imo. Its done in dreams but to experience it fully its best done in lucid dreams(imo), because you get to try to shift between forms instead of just finding yourself as an animal in a dream.

Two people who are in full agreement (no living human body can ever be a living wolf's body) having an argument.

Dont ask me to explain that hey. You think I want to keep repeating myself.

Edited November 21, 2008 by Kazahel

[Emma_Acid]

Show me where in the OP where it says we are only talking about physical shifting here.

Sooo... we're just talking about dreaming here then???

edit - all the original posts point to it being physical shapeshifting.

Edited November 21, 2008 by Emma_Acid

[Shadowmalerenamon]

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Wow Lilly, it seems you and the other moderators have been really busy lately. This is probably the 5th thread I've seen you, or even Saru, have to chastise someone. A lot people have been breaking the rules it seems.

[GypsyWolf]

After months of research on this, I have come to the conclusion that shapeshifting is NOT possible. But having experimented with it I can tell you it is possible in that the 'shift' is simply an illusion. You are made to think you saw something you didn't. Skinwalkers do not wish to be found out, think of how they would be persecuted. "Dream-shifting' however is completely possible, the spirit is formless and can take on whatever shape you like. A recent discovery and investigation has lead me to believe that it could be possible 'dream shifters' can somehow materialize in the waking world to the few who are open to seeing them. Or perhaps they look so real in whatever shape they have that there is no choice but to see what it is as it is-- if that made sense.

Someone suggested Astral Projection, but in the case I am following, I do not believe this is the case for I have yet to see an Astral Projection case where the projrctee if you will was able to touch or move things-- or change the shape of the world around them. That would simply be breaking some sort of law I would think. I must investigate more...

Edited November 21, 2008 by GypsyWolf

[Agent. Mulder]

After months of research on this, I have come to the conclusion that shapeshifting is NOT possible. But having experimented with it I can tell you it is possible in that the 'shift' is simply an illusion. You are made to think you saw something you didn't. Skinwalkers do not wish to be found out, think of how they would be persecuted. "Dream-shifting' however is completely possible, the spirit is formless and can take on whatever shape you like. A recent discovery and investigation has lead me to believe that it could be possible 'dream shifters' can somehow materialize in the waking world to the few who are open to seeing them. Or perhaps they look so real in whatever shape they have that there is no choice but to see what it is as it is-- if that made sense.

Someone suggested Astral Projection, but in the case I am following, I do not believe this is the case for I have yet to see an Astral Projection case where the projrctee if you will was able to touch or move things-- or change the shape of the world around them. That would simply be breaking some sort of law I would think. I must investigate more...

you mean. think of how they would rewrite the books of science, and how popular they would be? and how they would be remembered in history for a looong time?

if a skin walker Could do it.

Edited November 21, 2008 by Agent. Mulder

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

you mean. think of how they would rewrite the books of science, and how popular they would be? and how they would be remembered in history for a looong time?

Exactly. Just typical excuses.

[Kazahel]

edit - all the original posts point to it being physical shapeshifting.

Maybe you could quote what made you think that? Actaully I'll quote them if you like so you dont have to go back to page one. There are only three posts the original poster made anyway.

hello, i've been interested in shapeshifting fo quite a while now, and i would like to know if there is anyone on this forum who is knowleagable of the subject, or can possibly mentor me online about it. thanks so much in advance.

"In traditions that deal with shapeshifting in their lore, often you must obtain near god-like knowledge or must learn and understand the nature of the animal and become it mentally and spiritually"

OPs responce : hmm, interesting. thanks for sharing

oopsy, didnt mean to put this thread in metaphysics

And do you see that middle quote... where he says "interesting thanks for sharing"... that was in regards to becoming it mentally and spiritually....

So yeah, I didnt read anything about it meaning physically. Sorry.

Edited November 22, 2008 by Kazahel

[S2F]

Maybe you could quote what made you think that? Actaully I'll quote them if you like so you dont have to go back to page one. There are only three posts the original poster made anyway.

And do you see that middle quote... where he says "interesting thanks for sharing"... that was in regards to becoming it mentally and spiritually....

So yeah, I didnt read anything about it meaning physically. Sorry.

The OP hasn't posted at all since this thread turned to "dreamshifting" so that indicates to me that this isn't the info they were looking for. JMO.

[Kazahel]

Maybe you can assume that... but there was nothing in their posts that really said that imo.

If anything maybe the opposite..

In traditions that deal with shapeshifting in their lore, often you must obtain near god-like knowledge or must learn and understand the nature of the animal and become it mentally and spiritually"

OPs responce : hmm, interesting. thanks for sharing

[Insight]

As far as I've seen, only young people who watch anime are able to shapeshift and use psychic powers.

There must be a connection...

[Raivrso]

If you learn about physics and biology you'll learn that is it not possible. Even if you alter your DNA you can not alter you species.

Any such biological alter would be 100% fatal.

It is also is completely against the laws of physics.

Sorry but that above is nonsense.

Some of this may be true. But unfortunetly there have been instances in science were the laws of physics have been tested. And even seemingly non existant at times.

As well, how will you know that full biological alteration is 100 % fatal if it has never been tested, tried, or any of the sort. As far as I know at least.

God knows what the goverment is doing.

Edited November 22, 2008 by Full Of Secrets

[Mattshark]

Some of this may be true. But unfortunetly there have been instances in science were the laws of physics have been tested. And even seemingly non existant at times.

As well, how will you know that full biological alteration is 100 % fatal if it has never been tested, tried, or any of the sort. As far as I know at least.

God knows what the goverment is doing.

The energy required to alter you skeletal structure and biological make up is much high than the energy needed to destroy your brain. Ergo it would be 100% fatal.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

Sure you could have a million surgeries to change aspect of your physiology.... However in regards to genetic make up and simply say turning into a werewolf I am 100% certain that this is not even remotely possible.

[Aanica]

Here's a some video's of an alleged shapeshifter.

Watch these and tell me what you think is ACTUALLY taking place here.

Not buying it...

I'm going to have to go with fleecing. XD

For the love of common sense, he could have at least put something interesting in his videos.

Yes I am going to second the Fleecing...

[Chauncy]

Not buying it...

Yes I am going to second the Fleecing...

The point being that any idea of shapeshiufting that has been handed down through the ages is totally make believe. If the woman in the video was screaming out of fear then this is because she was told first what was going to take place and her mind created her experience from there

Many a legend simply rely on an initial whisper of suggestion....those that repeat it create the legend, fairytale, and lore. When a reputation preceeds , all kinds of things can be conceived.

Legends of shapeshifting are a result of fear and fanciful desire to be more than that which keeps us grounded.

[theGhost_and_theDarkness]

To answer the OP. . .(I'm too lazy to go through all these pages. . .Just got done eating my TG meal )

Shapeshifting isn't supposed to be physical. Its supposed to be merging of a animal spirit with your own (thats grossly over-simplicated, but you know. . .) Physical transformation never takes place. Tribes used to wear animal hides to aid in the merging of the spirits, but that's about as close as they got to actually changing into anything. While merged the person is supposed to take on certain traits of that animal. . .ie- speed, ferocity, etc.

Anything beyond that would be known as glamour. The person doesn't really change, but people around them see a change. Its largely psychological, in my opinion.

There is also shapeshifting on the astral plane, but that's a different story.

Here's a some video's of an alleged shapeshifter.

Watch these and tell me what you think is ACTUALLY taking place here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynD7D4wzFs...feature=related

Those were possibly the worst videos I've ever seen in my life. Whoever that guy is deserves to be punched in the face for sullying the already tarnished name of runes.

Edited November 28, 2008 by Sweetsalem82103