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Bigfoot on MonsterQuest a joke

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esox

Just some info I've been sharing on other message boards

During the opening credits of the show, MonsterQuest boldly states that they intend to utilize science to investigate all the "so called" monsters that are said to exist. Well, this program is deep into its 2nd season and it would be safe to say that Monsterquest is a farce. Seriously, how on Earth can MonsterQuest claim that they are utilizing science when the majority of their investigators appearing on the program probably never even finished high school? My favorite quote from a top notch MonsterQuest researcher is "I BELIEVE WE'RE DEALING WITH A SHAPE SHIFTER". Brilliant.

Recalling"Bigfoot In New York" episode and keep in mind this is supposed to be a scientific investigation, you have a bunch of uneducated rednecks running around the woods at night chasing the sounds of twigs snapping. Then MQ tries to build up the suspense by saying that the team is closing in on whatever is generating the noise. Of course at that point they cut to a commercial leaving you salivating at the mouth. When the program resumes, the noise conveniently ceases and they conclude that the potential BF slipped away.

The Ohio Grassman is another farce. The crack MQ team this time includes a fat guy with a toy helicopter that only has battery life of a few minutes. Incredible, a five minute stationary airborne search via a toy aircraft constitutes a thorough scientific investigation. When they catch an image of something small in a tree with the thermal camera, sound effects kick in to excite the viewers and they immediately cut to a commercial. When the break is over, viewers are disappointed to learn no BF was found. Of course no Bigfoot was found, it was a raccoon up in a tree.

And let's not forget about some of the witnesses. A good chunk of those people should probably be in a clinic somewhere being treated for substance abuse. That guy that claimed he was almost carried off by a giant bird when he was young comes to mind. I'm sure most of you remember him from the birdzilla episode.

When MonsterQuest actually has scientists on the show, it turns out to be the same highly questionable people over and over again. One that stands out for me is that DNA specialist sporting the Mohawk hair-do. When was the last time you saw a distinguished and highly reputable scientist appearing on 20/20 or 60 Minutes looking like a punk rocker? As for folks like Meldrum and Nelson, they want to believe in the BF phenomena so badly that they have abandoned logic and common sense.

SASQUATCH ATTACK AT SNELGROVE LAKE TOTALLY FABRICATED

Case in point, let us revisit the "Sasquatch Attack" episode at Snelgrove Lake in northern Ontario. In the first few minutes of the show, a camp staff member who was the first at the scene was in the process of assessing the damage inside the cabin from an "alleged Sasquatch" rampage. This person then states that he thought that the bathroom was spared from this destruction, but when he opened the door it turns out it was also trashed. So let's try to visualize this scene, Mr. Sasquatch breaks into the cabin in a fit of rage and tears everything apart. Next, our hairy friend enters the washroom and rips the sink from the wall. At the end of this, this massive beast gently grabs the door knob on the washroom door and closes it? So not only does BF have advanced hand dexterity to turn door knobs, he has the ability to shrink himself to fit through that tiny bathroom door opening.

NEAREST POPULATED SETTLEMENT IS NOT 200 MILES, BUT ONLY 8 MILES AWAY

Now let us consider the location of this cabin. The owner claimed that the nearest populated centre is over 200 miles away making the cabin accessible only by floatplane. However, in actuality, the nearest settlement is the small village of Slate Falls that is only 8 miles away.

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Now to further diminish this guys’ credibility, there is a dirt road leading from Slate Falls airport to an adjacent part of the lake. From there, it is a short 10 minute boat ride to the cabin without the need to portage. In the winter, it's a five minute snowmobile ride.

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With these two bits of information, the chance that squatch vandalized the cabin diminishes exponentially. Surely even someone with a grade 6 education could logically deduce that it was a bunch of teenagers from the nearby settlement that trashed the cabin. What's more, how could no one see that the cabin owner is deliberately misleading everyone by saying the nearest settlement is over 200 miles away so he could drum up publicity that Squatch trashed his cabin. I guess his deception worked because Sasquatch part deux has already been shot.

Meanwhile, those two gifted scientists are fixated on a journal conveniently left there for them to find in the cabin. There is an anonymous entry detailing a BF print nearby. Now this has to be the icing on the cake. Not only do the two scientists fail to see the significance of the closed bathroom door and the village that is only 8 miles away, they actually believe the journal and make arrangements for someone to camp out at the location of the footprint.

NON-HUMAN PRIMATE DNA WILL COME BACK TO BITE MONSTERQUEST IN THE RUMP

Now let us discuss the alleged DNA results. How is it that Dr. Curt Nelson, a scientist who is so obsessed with the BF phenomenon and who is working on behalf of MonsterQuest is the only one concluding that the sample is from a non-human primate? This is the same guy who camped out by himself because he believed that highly suspicious journal entry about the footprint. That alone should tell us that he has an unhealthy BF fetish.

Now we all know that the final DNA results are to be revealed in the season finale of Sasquatch Attack II and I'm sure every squatch enthusiast can't wait to watch. This means that the final DNA results were completed months ago. So ask yourself this, if that nutjob Dr. Nelson truly had Bigfoot DNA, why isn't this news plastered on every scientific journal worldwide? Surely this constitutes one of the greatest scientific discoveries in the past century.

The answer is, THEY HAVE NOTHING !!!!! MonsterQuest is just building up excitement for the season finale. This is no different from MonsterQuest building the suspense by cutting to a commercial when they caught something on trail-cam. Of course, when they return from the break, it turns out that it was a deer or raccoon that triggered the camera. The only question that remains is what asinine excuse will they use to explain how they got those bogus "non-human primate" DNA results from last year.

THE MIRACLE ON THE FINAL NIGHT OF THE EXPEDITION

Finally, let's scrutinize what happened on the expedition's final night at the cabin. Throughout the entire investigation, the team failed to detect a single piece of evidence to support the existence of Sasquatch. Like a bad horror movie, something throws rocks at the cabin striking the roof. Holy crapola, it's a freaking miracle, Bigfoot finally decided to pay these tards a visit just hours before they were scheduled to depart. The following morning, the rock that BF threw was still on the roof. OMG, two miracles in the span of 8 hrs. So this is what happened, from several hundred feet away Bigfoot picks up a rock and fires it towards the cabin. With great skill, he times the bounces and ricochets flawlessly and gets the rock to land on the roof without it rollong off. Bigfoot should play that coin toss carnival game. I'm sure you've seen it, it's the one where you throw a quarter at a bunch of glass dishes and if it doesn't bounce off, you're a winner.

Now ask yourself this, if BF is so pi$$ed at people staying at the cabin, why wouldn't he resort to something a little more along the line of "MESSING WITH SASQUATCH" beef jerky commercials. I mean he already trashed the cabin once in a fit of rage, why not throw something a little more substantial. What I think is more plausible is the cabin owner arranged this so that another episode is produced, which in turn generates additional publicity for his business. Low and behold, he got his wish with "Sasquatch Attack part duex".

Personally, when I combine the details of the bathroom door being closed and the misleading statements made by the camp owner about the 200 km distance to the nearest settlement, this is enough for me to conclude that the entire episode was a farce to begin with. And if MonsterQuest was truly conducting a scientific investigation, they would have known that this expedition would have been pointless. That being said, I wonder what the camp owner has in store for MQ on the return visit. Perhaps he'll get his hands on some chimpanzee and orangutan excrement, mix in some of his own for good measure and create a 3 ft high pile on the other side of the lake. The DNA guys will have field day with that stuff. MQ DNA experts report the sample came back positive for a chimp-orang-human hybrid.

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makaya325

dude ur completely ignorant. enough with the debunker programs, mq is attempting to solve it, and they are laughed at? the witnesses i saw arent crazy in fact they are probably way more intellectual and smarter than u.

why would kids be doing it? a kid cant rip out a sink out of the wall, and trash the place without leaving anything behind. something with non human strength did it

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Stormcrow

No, MQ is a laugh. It was from the beginning.

I haven't read the whole post yet, but I just had to get that out there.

MQ is a joke.

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69dinner42

Some of your statements are SOOOOOO friggin true and hilarious at the same time...especially the guy with the mohawk and that crack head redneck that was picked up by a bird...spot on.

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makaya325

ebony, ur the one who supports dc claims of dragons!

monsterquest at least searches for creatures, which scientists arent really doing, instead theyre in their arm chairs

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Stormcrow

Now that I've finally finished and managed to get away from distractions, I think I can comment properly.

Yes, MQ is a joke, many of the things they do hardly has any scientific basis whatsoever. However, I don't think that the blantant insults of the witnesses is appropriate.

A good chunk of those people should probably be in a clinic somewhere being treated for substance abuse. That guy that claimed he was almost carried off by a giant bird when he was young comes to mind.

Completley inappropriate. However much I hated that episode, I don't think it's incredibly polite to stoop to the level of insulting people in that way. I do agree with you on many levels, it's just that calling names and saying they deserve to be put in a mental hospital isn't what you'd call... mature.

The chuppa, werewolf, and related "giant animal" episodes were quite stupid, yes. There were not proper investigations, the tales were less than believable. (The chuppa sightings weren't even reliable, considering the severe difference between a mangy dog in Texas and a clamy bi-pedal figure in Puerto Rico.) The werewolf episode was nothing more than retellings of BF-like creatures (one witness even referred to the creature as being ape-like, and the dramatization was nothing short of a BF), and the "giant animal" episodes are hardly anything related to cryptozoology.

Thankfully, the show was canceled for the third season.

But, again, I really see no need in the insulting.

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makaya325
Now that I've finally finished and managed to get away from distractions, I think I can comment properly.

Yes, MQ is a joke, many of the things they do hardly has any scientific basis whatsoever. However, I don't think that the blantant insults of the witnesses is appropriate.

Completley inappropriate. However much I hated that episode, I don't think it's incredibly polite to stoop to the level of insulting people in that way. I do agree with you on many levels, it's just that calling names and saying they deserve to be put in a mental hospital isn't what you'd call... mature.

The chuppa, werewolf, and related "giant animal" episodes were quite stupid, yes. There were not proper investigations, the tales were less than believable. (The chuppa sightings weren't even reliable, considering the severe difference between a mangy dog in Texas and a clamy bi-pedal figure in Puerto Rico.) The werewolf episode was nothing more than retellings of BF-like creatures (one witness even referred to the creature as being ape-like, and the dramatization was nothing short of a BF), and the "giant animal" episodes are hardly anything related to cryptozoology.

Thankfully, the show was canceled for the third season.

But, again, I really see no need in the insulting.

is it real? is a biased program. mq isnt. it should stay on. it shows both sides of the phenomona

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Stormcrow
ebony, ur the one who supports dc claims of dragons!

monsterquest at least searches for creatures, which scientists arent really doing, instead theyre in their arm chairs

MQ does not search for creatures. They throw out cages and stand in a field in leather jackets talking to one another with normal voices. That's definitely hardxcore searching, if you ask me.

And last time I checked, I don't support DC. I agree with some of his points, as they are hard to refute, but I do not support his claims--especially when I have my own to support.

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Stormcrow
is it real? is a biased program. mq isnt. it should stay on.

What are you talking about...?

it shows both sides of the phenomona

I'm sorry, but no, it doesn't. They do nothing to try and debunk cases, they tell the story, they look at video, they go measure a few things, and they're like, "NO WAI THIS WAS TTLY A GIANT CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Or, "HOLEE COW, DAT WERE HUGE SNAKE!!!!!"

They don't look at both sides of any spectrum, I haven't seen one episode of MQ where the conclusion wasn't always, "Well, it's probably out there, we just suck so bad we can't find it."

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makaya325
What are you talking about...?

I'm sorry, but no, it doesn't. They do nothing to try and debunk cases, they tell the story, they look at video, they go measure a few things, and they're like, "NO WAI THIS WAS TTLY A GIANT CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Or, "HOLEE COW, DAT WERE HUGE SNAKE!!!!!"

They don't look at both sides of any spectrum, I haven't seen one episode of MQ where the conclusion wasn't always, "Well, it's probably out there, we just suck so bad we can't find it."

it shows the real researchers point of view, then the ignorant srmchair scientist point of view. if creatures are out there, ur not gonna find them if ur not willing to look in the real world.

never heard that last quote u used. they never say that

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it shows the real researchers point of view, then the ignorant srmchair scientist point of view. if creatures are out there, ur not gonna find them if ur not willing to look in the real world.

never heard that last quote u used. they never say that

They're not real researchers, they're amatures. :mellow: I don't know where you got that bit of info, but they are far from "real", they're certainly not experts. And again, they're NOT looking. The Birdzilla episode, for instance, they looked at one video tape and told stories the rest of the episode. The werewolf episode, they told stories and showed dramatizations that resembles BFs, the Beast of Maine episode simply played at the idea it could have been a dire wolf, and gave little other hint or evidence to suggest otherwise--even though it's freaking obvious it was a DOG. They're not researching, they're playing up the feeling of mystery, when the answer is right in front of your nose.

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They're not real researchers, they're amatures. :mellow: I don't know where you got that bit of info, but they are far from "real", they're certainly not experts. And again, they're NOT looking. The Birdzilla episode, for instance, they looked at one video tape and told stories the rest of the episode. The werewolf episode, they told stories and showed dramatizations that resembles BFs, the Beast of Maine episode simply played at the idea it could have been a dire wolf, and gave little other hint or evidence to suggest otherwise--even though it's freaking obvious it was a DOG. They're not researching, they're playing up the feeling of mystery, when the answer is right in front of your nose.

the bigfoot episodes involved some camping out and searching, which is amazing, since debunkers dont look for them and are waiting in their office for a body.

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dude ur completely ignorant. enough with the debunker programs, mq is attempting to solve it, and they are laughed at? the witnesses i saw arent crazy in fact they are probably way more intellectual and smarter than u.

why would kids be doing it? a kid cant rip out a sink out of the wall, and trash the place without leaving anything behind. something with non human strength did it

i have personally ripped a sink out a wall and i didn't leave anything behind other than a broken sink. shut the door behind me too.

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makaya325
i have personally ripped a sink out a wall and i didn't leave anything behind other than a broken sink. shut the door behind me too.

u must be strong

kids couldnt have gotten in. no one would walk that far to find a cabin by chance. if it was kids, which is unlikely, i hope they get persecuted

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kraken
Just some info I've been sharing on other message boards

Hi esox..to be honest..i havn't seen MonsterQuest, and i'm not even sure if it is shown over here in England, but you sound(or at least type)very articulate, enough to allow myself to heed your warnings :P ....so if that show does by happenstance appear on my tv, i shall make haste to change channel or switch off as quick as possible ;)

PS....To be even more honest :P ...i'm not into those kinds of shows anyway, like most haunted, they seem to be more about the investigators, rather than 'what needs to be investigated'(Properly).

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Pol_Pot_Lives_Again

If you seriously sat down to watch a show on cryptids expecting anything less than ridiculous pseudo-hilarity then maybe you need to think twice about calling other people stupid.

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BIGFOOT ON MONSTERQUEST A TOTAL JOKE, SNELGROVE LAKE EPISODE AND OTHERS TOTALLY FAKED

Just some info I've been sharing on other message boards

I won't believe a word you post unless you use MORE CAPITAL LETTERS.

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u must be strong

kids couldnt have gotten in. no one would walk that far to find a cabin by chance. if it was kids, which is unlikely, i hope they get persecuted

seriously its not difficult. they are pretty brittle, smashing one apart with your bare hands would be a challenge but ripping it off the wall? easy. once its off the wall you just have to drop it on a hard floor to smash it.

i doubt they walked, when he says kids i think he means 15-18, right at the cabin trashing age, also out in the country kids tend to drive more from an earlier age and might have had access to boats, quad bikes anything, arguably living in the country they might not have as much to keep them occupied and would be more pre-disposed to to amuse themselves by trashing cabins and messing with idiots looking for bigfoot, not to say that anybody looking for bigfoot is an idiot, just that these people were.

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makaya325

people need to spend more time out in the woods or lakes looking instead of being in their ivory buildings

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esox
u must be strong

kids couldnt have gotten in. no one would walk that far to find a cabin by chance. if it was kids, which is unlikely, i hope they get persecuted

Dude, there is no need to walk in. Like I said, to get there from the native village of Slate Falls, it's five minutes by car and another 10 minutes by boat. There is no walking. It's even easier in the winter by snowmobile or ATV. In the winter kids love speeding across frozen lakes up north at 60 to 80 mph.

Go to google satellite maps:

http://www.google.com/maps?ll=44.633727,-7...mp;t=k&om=1

and enter "Slate Falls, ON, Canada"

you'll see a dirt road from the village airport that connects to an adjacent part of Snelgrove Lake. From their it's a quick boat or snowmobile ride. Snelgrove Lake is approx 8 miles east.

PS. It's actually pretty easy to rip the sink from the wall just by sitting on it. People should realize that plumbing and fixture installations in hunting/fishing cabins are not as robust as in someones full time house.

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Dude, there is no need to walk in. Like I said, to get there from the native village of Slate Falls, it's five minutes by car and another 10 minutes by boat. There is no walking. It's even easier in the winter by snowmobile or ATV. In the winter kids love speeding across frozen lakes up north at 60 to 80 mph.

Go to google satellite maps:

http://www.google.com/maps?ll=44.633727,-7...mp;t=k&om=1

and enter "Slate Falls, ON, Canada"

you'll see a dirt road from the village airport that connects to an adjacent part of Snelgrove Lake. From their it's a quick boat or snowmobile ride. Snelgrove Lake is approx 8 miles east.

PS. It's actually pretty easy to rip the sink from the wall just by sitting on it. People should realize that plumbing and fixture installations in hunting/fishing cabins are not as robust as in someones full time house.

yet their was no trace evidence? their was blood left on the nail board. kids didnt do it nor did grizzlys. something else did it

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kraken
people need to spend more time out in the woods or lakes looking instead of being in their ivory buildings

people also need to know if such a creature(s) exists first, and then, in that particular area, before they end up chasing phantoms, not everyone has necessarily the time,money,energy,motivation,ability,permission,authority and/or inclination etc etc. to go on an expedition. Not all of us necessarily have the scientific kudos to justify our involvement in such a venture.

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Incorrigible1
Not all of us necessarily have the scientific kudos to justify our involvement in such a venture.

If an amateur "enthusiast" were to provide a quality video of the Big Guy performing grooming, eating, defecating, or any number of actions, scientific doctorates and the like wouldn't be necessary. If said enthusiast could provide physical evidence, especially body parts, the scientific world would be his oyster.

Don't let the lack of scientific credentials stop one from serious research. Credentials aren't everything.

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If an amateur "enthusiast" were to provide a quality video of the Big Guy performing grooming, eating, defecating, or any number of actions, scientific doctorates and the like wouldn't be necessary. If said enthusiast could provide physical evidence, especially body parts, the scientific world would be his oyster.

Yes..but to be an "enthusiast" one still has to believe that such a creature(s) exists in the first place, ...a "quality video"...not seen one of those lately either ;), and for me personally, i shy away from fame of any kind(really).

Don't let the lack of scientific credentials stop one from serious research. Credentials aren't everything.

I agree to a point ,but i still think people need to be savvy, especially when it comes to the so called 'Evidence'(whatever evidence that may be).

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I have to agree that Monster Quest was about Entertainment mostly. They did not have big budgets or super technical gear.

The fact that the cabin is so close to a town is quite damning evidence. Could easily have been kids. The rock too. Ever seen a kid with a wrist rocket? How many people live in that town?

On the other hand it very well could have been a BF that night. I haven't heard of BF rampaging peoples homes before. I never got to see the episode. Did they look for hair and fingerprints and whatnot in the cabin? That would seem to be a primo spot to start. Even with the town it is a very remote place.

As a kid I used to bust stuff up all the time, and don't think the teenagers don't know where the "crazy old guy" lives. My friends and I liked to taunt the wilderness hippies as much as any other teenager.

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