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It has sunk in to most of the electorate that it is either Obama or four more years of the same $*|t. And the latter is far more scary than socialism.

And why is it 4 years of the same old stuff? That's a campaign smear put out by Obama just like McCain says Obama is going to raise the taxes on the Middle Class.

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that's so true :) Imagine not having the luxury, of welfare,not saying welfare is a bad thing, just people abuse it ALOT of people.My mother is one of them,so I'm not just saying without having seen it done,by alot of people.I have no respect for people who cheat the system,it's soo easy to get welfare,and too easy to give false information and bleed the system dry.Imagine if there wasn't any and those people who cheat the system actually had to get off their a**es and work for their money,I dont think they'd know what to do.I don't think it's fair for me to work my *** off and have my money distributed to lazy people now for the people WHO REALLY 100% need it I understand,but there's alot of people who get it,and if they applied themselves wouldn't need it,it's just an easy way out.I think that people should be ashamed to say that it's ok, to do that.America is a place where if you work hard and apply yourself,the posibilities are infinite.I think that people are forgetting that, it's not ok to ride someone else coattails :(,however that's all I'm hearing now is it's ok.

Try telling that to some of the people here. I was just informed, by another member, after looking into my states welfare system for a few moments, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to work the system to your advantage and you say your mother does?

Don't worry about it though...we can pick our friends, we can pick our nose, but we can't pick our family. :P

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And why is it 4 years of the same old stuff? That's a campaign smear put out by Obama just like McCain says Obama is going to raise the taxes on the Middle Class.

No matter who wins, he has to increase taxes through the board. Some announce it, some deny it. Besides, increasing tax on the top 1.5% earners hardly is the middle class.

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it is very possible, to cheat the system my mother who I havent spoke with, since I was 15, collects disability at an american address, she has the check sent there.She lives in Mexico, every month she comes to this address and picks the check up, what do you call that? and no we can't choose our family, but we can choose not to be like them :) Obviously it's ok to not strive to better themselves ,they can slack because the government will just pay for them,with hard workers money.oh and FYI my mother can work she just doesn't want to , she had a doctor sign a paper saying she couldn't when she dam* well can.

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Ehn. I'd have gone for "Guy responsible for the voodoo economics that almost destroyed capitalism". Close enough, though.

you mean almost destroying capitalism is not reforming? :lol:

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I'm amazed at how many crooked doctors there are, Starr. You would think that they get a cut of the money or something.

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No matter who wins, he has to increase taxes through the board. Some announce it, some deny it. Besides, increasing tax on the top 1.5% earners hardly is the middle class.

Just so I set the record straight I do not care for Obama and slightly less thrilled by McCain.

But Obama currently isn't planning to raise ANY TAXES he's just going to let the law expire that keeps the higher taxes bracket at 35%.

That is no more a point of raising taxes as saying not giving a yearly increase to a budget item and then someone insinuates that it is cutting money from that budget.

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I'm amazed at how many crooked doctors there are, Starr. You would think that they get a cut of the money or something.

I know it's sad :( I grew up in a very ghetto neighborhood, and I know small business owners, who changed hours worked for people, and their pay. on paper so they could collect more welfare, and they did get the cut of it.I got kicked out of my home when I was 15 and i have never been on welfare,I worked my *** off so I wouldn't be like my mother,and I find it very irritating when alot of people don't have the determination to better themselves, maybe I'm a little biased, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

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you mean almost destroying capitalism is not reforming? :lol:

I did say it was close enough. I'm fairly sure there's an Order of Lenin medal in it for McCain if he can finish the job.

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I did say it was close enough. I'm fairly sure there's an Order of Lenin medal in it for McCain if he can finish the job.

:lol:

the only problem is that the Order of Lenin medals were all sold on flea markets when the Russians blew their economy....

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I know it's sad :( I grew up in a very ghetto neighborhood, and I know small business owners, who changed hours worked for people, and their pay. on paper so they could collect more welfare, and they did get the cut of it.I got kicked out of my home when I was 15 and i have never been on welfare,I worked my *** off so I wouldn't be like my mother,and I find it very irritating when alot of people don't have the determination to better themselves, maybe I'm a little biased, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

I'm sure you have a lot to be proud of yourself for. :tu:

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Just so I set the record straight I do not care for Obama and slightly less thrilled by McCain.

But Obama currently isn't planning to raise ANY TAXES he's just going to let the law expire that keeps the higher taxes bracket at 35%.

That is no more a point of raising taxes as saying not giving a yearly increase to a budget item and then someone insinuates that it is cutting money from that budget.

Bingo.

Glad to see at least someone can see through the hype.

I know it's sad :( I grew up in a very ghetto neighborhood, and I know small business owners, who changed hours worked for people, and their pay. on paper so they could collect more welfare, and they did get the cut of it.I got kicked out of my home when I was 15 and i have never been on welfare,I worked my *** off so I wouldn't be like my mother,and I find it very irritating when alot of people don't have the determination to better themselves, maybe I'm a little biased, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

That's a good positive attitude to have, Starr.

Welfare should be a safety net - not a lifestyle choice.

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Bingo.

Glad to see at least someone can see through the hype.

That's a good positive attitude to have, Starr.

Welfare should be a safety net - not a lifestyle choice.

Yes :)

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I know it's sad :( I grew up in a very ghetto neighborhood, and I know small business owners, who changed hours worked for people, and their pay. on paper so they could collect more welfare, and they did get the cut of it.I got kicked out of my home when I was 15 and i have never been on welfare,I worked my *** off so I wouldn't be like my mother,and I find it very irritating when alot of people don't have the determination to better themselves, maybe I'm a little biased, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

If welfare is used a manner as a fall back in case of disaster manner I’d so be all for it and even champion it.

But the problem currently is the abuse to the system and you should tell people the story about your mom so other will get upset and demand changes to the system. And the people who work in the offices that pass it out have no desire to correct the problems because it's their jobs.

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If welfare is used a manner as a fall back in case of disaster manner I’d so be all for it and even champion it.

But the problem currently is the abuse to the system and you should tell people the story about your mom so other will get upset and demand changes to the system. And the people who work in the offices that pass it out have no desire to correct the problems because it's their jobs.

Having know about it for forty years myself, I assumed that most people knew how badly the system is abused. I have been tempted to turn in people myself, but it's just not as simple as that.

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Having know about it for forty years myself, I assumed that most people knew how badly the system is abused. I have been tempted to turn in people myself, but it's just not as simple as that.

Here in the UK, it's encouraged - there's been quite an Advertising campaign about it. You can even do it online.

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Here in the UK, it's encouraged - there's been quite an Advertising campaign about it. You can even do it online.

If I turned in everyone that I've known they would have eventually been able to figure out approximately where the information came from. I didn't make it any secret how I felt about it.

Especially with one girl that had three children that her parents were raising while she received the benefits. She started talking about wanting another baby cause she loved babies and I told her that I couldn't afford for her to have another baby because my rent was due and I was counting change as it was. I actually thought that she was going to grab me by the throat and choke me. She had a good fifty pounds on me, too. They didn't talk about it so openly around me after that. :P

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Just so I set the record straight I do not care for Obama and slightly less thrilled by McCain.

But Obama currently isn't planning to raise ANY TAXES he's just going to let the law expire that keeps the higher taxes bracket at 35%.

That is no more a point of raising taxes as saying not giving a yearly increase to a budget item and then someone insinuates that it is cutting money from that budget.

Almost missed that one...yes Obama is planning to increase the capital gain taxes for people who earn over $250,000 by a laughable amount

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That's because people can get things into perspective. Obama's tax policy is such that Americans will pay less tax then when Reagan was in office. If Obama's a socialist - what does that make Ronnie?

Reagan cut the Tax from a whopping highest tax rate of 70%, after a tough fight with a Democrat Congress he was able to get it down to 39%(I think).

Obama would have kept it at 70% at the very least.

Reagan was the kind of leader that inspire the American people to strive and make it on their own for a better life.

Obama is the kind of leader that promises the American people a better life just by simply voting for him, like a socialist.

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Reagan cut the Tax from a whopping highest tax rate of 70%, after a tough fight with a Democrat Congress he was able to get it down to 39%(I think).

Obama would have kept it at 70% at the very least.

Reagan was the kind of leader that inspire the American people to strive and make it on their own for a better life.

Obama is the kind of leader that promises the American people a better life just by simply voting for him, like a socialist.

From Obama's website:

* Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.

* Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.

* Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.

Less. Than. Reagan.

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From Obama's website:

* Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.

* Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.

* Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.

Less. Than. Reagan.

Obama already said, if the economy stays weak he might suspend any Tax hike. Go figure if trickle down or voodoo economics does not work.

wha t are the chances once he is the President Obama will say, after considering and studying the current economic conditions I cannot deliver the promise tax cut that I was hoping to give the Amrrican people.

Been there, seen it, heard it before. Clinton did the same if you remember,.

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Obama already said, if the economy stays weak he might suspend any Tax hike. Go figure if trickle down or voodoo economics does not work.

wha t are the chances once he is the President Obama will say, after considering and studying the current economic conditions I cannot deliver the promise tax cut that I was hoping to give the Amrrican people.

Been there, seen it, heard it before. Clinton did the same if you remember,.

You don't really mind contradicting yourself, do you?

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Obama already said, if the economy stays weak he might suspend any Tax hike. Go figure if trickle down or voodoo economics does not work.

wha t are the chances once he is the President Obama will say, after considering and studying the current economic conditions I cannot deliver the promise tax cut that I was hoping to give the Amrrican people.

Been there, seen it, heard it before. Clinton did the same if you remember,.

So - basically - your defence is that he's lying?

* facepalms *

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you mean almost destroying capitalism is not reforming? :lol:

And yet thanks to reagan we had that boom in the 90's

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Just so I set the record straight I do not care for Obama and slightly less thrilled by McCain.

But Obama currently isn't planning to raise ANY TAXES he's just going to let the law expire that keeps the higher taxes bracket at 35%.

That is no more a point of raising taxes as saying not giving a yearly increase to a budget item and then someone insinuates that it is cutting money from that budget.

I am not going to raise the price of corn but when the sale price is over.

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