A Black President for USA

[KyrusRose]

Imagine there was a cure for lung cancer. A 100% certain, no side effect, immediate cure. Maybe a pill or an injection.

Would that make it OK to smoke?

Imagine someday a cure for AIDS is found. Samething: 100% cure rate, a simply pill or shot and no side effects.

Would that make it OK to be promiscuous?

Imagine you could see a good side to something, and not just the bad? You are focusing on the negative extremes and that does NOTHING to help the problem. Naysayers are a necessity, I guess, just don't expect a pay raise any time soon. There are plenty of countries that employ universal health care.. Hell even Mexico is about to start its own program.. its a shame we're so far behind the times.

[KyrusRose]

I certainly didn't get it free when I was pregnant. In fact, I didn't get it at all.

I got it when I was pregnant and for 9 months after, it would have been longer but I got something through an employer. That's how Tennessee works. I don't know about other states, but I haven't heard of a state that denies child health care from birth.

[KyrusRose]

But that is why universal health care cannot work as the only solution. I liked BM's idea, to perhaps allow universal heath care but not stopping private offices either. At least that way if you COULD afford it, either on your own or with assistance, you wouldn't be FORCED to wait to get the care you needed, which would also free up more money, room, and time for the people who needed the universal care, and perhaps waiting for years on end to get something done would not be an issue.

I agree.. its not a perfect solution but there IS no perfect solution, so we take the best we can get. I don't see private practices backing down to universal health care, after all we are capitalist, but there has to be a starting point, and a way to give everyone an opportunity at equal health care.

[BlindMessiah]

Imagine there was a cure for lung cancer. A 100% certain, no side effect, immediate cure. Maybe a pill or an injection.

Would that make it OK to smoke?

Smoking is wrong? Stupid yes, but wrong?

[ShaunZero]

I don't know about America getting stronger with age, but I do love this country and I'm proud of it. And while I don't support Obama, I'm happy to see enough of us have overcome racism for him to be elected.

Well, I hope this helps African Americans get over their racism as well. Where I live, African Americans are the majority, and most of them dislike white people with no grounds or reason to. I couldn't even step foot in their neighboorhoods without being sweared at or beat up because I'm "not the right color", yet they can come in mine and no one will even think about attacking them.

This proves that the majority of white people are NOT racist. We voted a black man in as president. Now, is this enough?

Edited November 7, 2008 by ShaunZero

[Splodgenessabounds]

This proves that the majority of white people are NOT racist. We voted a black man in as president. Now, is this enough?

Do you want the short, pesimistic answer?

[PhoenixDown]

I got it when I was pregnant and for 9 months after, it would have been longer but I got something through an employer. That's how Tennessee works. I don't know about other states, but I haven't heard of a state that denies child health care from birth.

They said we made too much money.

[The Silver Thong]

The problem with universal "free" health care, as with all other government handouts, is - there is no incentive or punishment for not behaving responsibly!

In terms of healthcare, if the gov is giving it to you for free why not use it for anything and everything?

Where is the reason to take care of yourself?

To eat right, exercise, not drink or smoke or do drugs?

Not to engage in risky activities (including rampent sex)

etc

etc

If someone will care for you (essentially repair you) for free then why bother trying to be good??

Why do you keep saying it's free. It's not free it's paid for by your tax's. Hand out this hand out that huh, the more I pay in tax's the more I expect from my government. With a debt such as the States I would want to get that down as fast as possible and bite the bullet to do it. This crisis will take some drastic actions some maybe appering scary and a gamble, such as the near trillion dollar bail out. People will have to suck it up for a bit.

If Obama makes a worse mess than Bush has in 8 years then great, the right gets the white house back and they can try to be the golden goose. Same old same old right? Not if after 8 yrs Obama has done a fantastic job

[KyrusRose]

England

Main article: Healthcare in England

The National Health Service (NHS), created by the National Health Service Act 1946 has provided the majority of healthcare in England since its launch on 5 July 1948. It provides, among other things, primary care, in-patient care, long-term healthcare, ophthalmology and dentistry. All treatment is free with the exception of charges for prescriptions, dentistry and ophthalmology (which themselves are free to children, the elderly, the unemployed and those on low incomes). Private health care has continued parallel to the NHS, paid for largely by private insurance, but it is used by less than 8% of the population, and generally as a top-up to NHS services.

The outsourcing of medical services and support to the private sector is a recent innovation. Hospitals may have both medical services (such as "surgicentres"),[48] and non-medical services (such as catering) provided under long-term contracts by the private sector. Capital projects such as new hospitals have been privatized through the Private Finance Initiative, enabling the public sector borrowing requirement to be circumvented, at least in the short term.

Singapore

Singapore has a universal health care system where government ensures affordability, largely through compulsory savings and price controls, while the private sector provides most care. Overall spending on health care amounts to only 3% of annual GDP. Of that, 66% comes from private sources.[41] Singapore currently has the lowest infant mortality rate in the world (equaled only by Iceland) and among the highest life expectancies from birth, according to the World Health Organization.[56] Singapore has "one of the most successful healthcare systems in the world, in terms of both efficiency in financing and the results achieved in community health outcomes," according to an analysis by global consulting firm Watson Wyatt.[57] Singapore's system uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions (funded by both employers and workers) a nationalized catastrophic health insurance plan, and government subsidies, as well as "actively regulating the supply and prices of healthcare services in the country" to keep costs in check; the specific features have been described as potentially a "very difficult system to replicate in many other countries." Many Singaporeans also have supplemental private health insurance (often provided by employers) for services not covered by the national programs.[57]

Private insurance

In countries with universal coverage, private insurance is most often used as a supplement, covering what the core safety net service does not provide, Examples include elective cosmetic surgery and special comforts like private rooms. In some countries, people can use private insurance to obtain treatment more quickly than would otherwise be possible.[citation needed]

Where voluntary insurance (often private) is predominant, such as in the U.S., medical (health) insurance is subject to the well-known economic problem of adverse selection which may also be referred to as a market failure. Adverse selection in insurance markets occurs because those providing insurance have limited information with which to estimate the health risks on which they may need to pay future claims. In simple terms, those with poor health are more likely to apply for insurance and more likely to need treatments requiring high insurance company payouts. Those with good health may find the cost of insurance too high for the perceived benefit, and some will remove themselves from the risk pool. This adverse selection concentrates the risk pool, thereby further raising costs. In practical terms, the potential for adverse selection means that private insurers have an economic incentive to use medical underwriting to 'weed out' high cost applicants in order to avoid adverse selection. Among the potential solutions posited by economists are single payer systems as well as other methods of ensuring that health insurance is universal, such as by requiring all citizens to purchase insurance and limiting the ability of insurance companies to deny insurance to individuals or vary price between individuals.[65][66]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

It can be done.. has been done, and we have many sources to draw our plans from.

[BlindMessiah]

Well, I hope this helps African Americans get over their racism as well. Where I live, African Americans are the majority, and most of them dislike white people with no grounds or reason to. I couldn't even step foot in their neighboorhoods without being sweared at or beat up because I'm "not the right color", yet they can come in mine and no one will even think about attacking them.

This proves that the majority of white people are NOT racist. We voted a black man in as president. Now, is this enough?

I seriously wish people would get over racism. I mean, what century are people living in?

[Splodgenessabounds]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

It can be done.. has been done, and we have many sources to draw our plans from.

In the UK it's not as rosy as people think, the amount of money wasted each year is stupidly high. Alzeimers patients unable to get access to valuable treatments because the NHS can't afford to buy the pills. Hospitals rife with MRSA despite how much money we throw in to clean the hospitals. More and more people going private because of the bad service they get from doctors who have to keep up with stupid government targets, elderly people having to wait a year to get hip replacements. The UK isn't a good example.

My dentist surgery went fully private because the dentists could provide adequate service with free dentist care, now they've gone private my teeth are white and straight, I need not remind everyone how valuable straight teeth are to the English .

Edited November 7, 2008 by Splodgenessabounds

[MasterPo]

Imagine you could see a good side to something, and not just the bad? You are focusing on the negative extremes and that does NOTHING to help the problem. Naysayers are a necessity, I guess, just don't expect a pay raise any time soon. There are plenty of countries that employ universal health care.. Hell even Mexico is about to start its own program.. its a shame we're so far behind the times.

The road to hellis paved with good intentions.

The reason we are in this mess now is because of good intentions.

As my other post showed, I am not opposed to giving a helping hand. But there is a price for help even if it's only personal responsibility.

[MasterPo]

Why do you keep saying it's free. It's not free it's paid for by your tax's.

Given that 40% of Americans don't pay any income tax, and that 55% of the rest will (alledgedly) see big tax reductions under the Messiah's rule, seems rather free to me!

[danielost]

I think it's going to assist in ending the arguement that racism is keeping blacks down since a black man won the presidency now.

Only if Jessie Jackson and his kind will let it happen and since that is how he gets his power.

[MasterPo]

Only if Jessie Jackson and his kind will let it happen and since that is how he gets his power.

That's a good topic.

Judge Clarence Thomas was pretty much tarred and feathered and labeled a "Tom" for being a successful black man - because he was a conservative.

Funny I didn't see anyone do the same to Obama.

[KyrusRose]

That's a good topic.

Judge Clarence Thomas was pretty much tarred and feathered and labeled a "Tom" for being a successful black man - because he was a conservative.

Funny I didn't see anyone do the same to Obama.

You seem to be tar and feathering him just fine on your own. :angry2:

[ninjadude]

I don't know where you work. But my mother (and her sister) worked in the NYC school system.

The millions of dollars thrown at non-english speaking students was astounding! Meanwhile, honors students were neglected.

And it was't allowed to ask the residency status of the parents (often grand parents) or kids.

A million dollars is only a lot when compared to a small budget. What percentage of the budget was that millions? Probably minor.

Would that make it OK to be promiscuous?

It's not?

[MasterPo]

A million dollars is only a lot when compared to a small budget. What percentage of the budget was that millions? Probably minor.

Just how big do you think the NYC school budget is?!

It's not?

Point.

[BlindMessiah]

Point.

Your point is you're living in the dark ages?

[SirRedeye]

a black president for usa?

isnt obama half white or "bi-racial", i should do some research

like it really matters... as long as he does his job and makes an attempt to actually fix some of the problems in this country- it shouldnt matter if he's black, white, female or extraterrestrial.

[MasterPo]

Your point is you're living in the dark ages?

????

Seriously, did you take your meds tonight?

[MissMelsWell]

a black president for usa?

isnt obama half white or "bi-racial", i should do some research

like it really matters... as long as he does his job and makes an attempt to actually fix some of the problems in this country- it shouldnt matter if he's black, white, female or extraterrestrial.

Obama's mother was caucasian of Irish/English descent. His father was a Kenyan national. his mother and father divorced when he was like 2, he only saw his father a handful of times after that. And only once after he was 10 years old. His father died many years ago in a car accident back in Kenya. His step father was Indonesian, his younger sister is half caucasian half indonesian. Obama was raised for a good part of his life by his white grandmother in Hawaii. His immediate family is a veritable rainbow.

I did just yesterday find out that Obama's mother actually graduated from High School in Seattle, just about 5 miles from my house. Her parents actually moved to Seattle so she could specifically go to the new and "progressive" Mercer Island High. These days, Mercer Island High is a good public school, but it's also in the very richest neighborhood in all of Seattle. LOL.

I personally never thought of him as a "black man" but more as a multi-cultural man.

Edited November 7, 2008 by MissMelsWell

[BlindMessiah]

????

Seriously, did you take your meds tonight?

I refuse to call promiscuity and smoking evil and you call me insane?

[AROCES]

Quit untrue.

and with your allegations you should really have something to back it up, really.

My soucre is a respected journalist who talked to the EXPERTS and they revealed it all.

[MasterPo]

I refuse to call promiscuity and smoking evil and you call me insane?

Then again I think it was you who thought your right were being violated because you couldn't online casino gamble from home.

See my response to you in the other thread.

Say Good Night.