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A Black President for USA

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stevewinn

with all the talk about Obama being black. even though he's of mixed race. it would have been Profoundly more poignant if a real American was elected. and by that i mean a Native Indian. how do they feel.

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PhoenixDown
If only others were as gracious.

Like I am sure you all were with Bush.

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Karlis
The keyword there is "honesty" in what I said.

And, to the person that said something about it being all about his policies...well, that is well and good if you agree with him. I don't.

Like I said, we will see. Who knows I may end up liking him, stranger things have happened. Right now I think he is a phony, and I think he has made way too many promises that he won't be able to keep. I am also concerned by the way people almost seem to worship the guy. The adoration is almost scary.

Hi PhoenixDown -- In my post, when I replied to you, I made a mention about Obama's policies on his official website. Out of interest, with which of Obama's policies do you disagree?

Regarding Obama being a "phony" -- I think you could have a point or three; Elmer Gantry could have been his role model, maybe? B)

Regarding the adoration -- yes; anyone who watched the videos after the election could be excused for thinking that Obama was God-anointed ... and that is a scary thought, in my opinion.

However, will he turn out to be a good President of the USA? I hope so, for the sake of the free world.

Kind regards,

Karlis

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PhoenixDown
Hi PhoenixDown -- In my post, when I replied to you, I made a mention about Obama's policies on his official website. Out of interest, with which of Obama's policies do you disagree?

Regarding Obama being a "phony" -- I think you could have a point or three; Elmer Gantry could have been his role model, maybe? B)

Regarding the adoration -- yes; anyone who watched the videos after the election could be excused for thinking that Obama was God-anointed ... and that is a scary thought, in my opinion.

However, will he turn out to be a good President of the USA? I hope so, for the sake of the free world.

Kind regards,

Karlis

Abortion

Taxes

Healthcare

Iraq

Foreign Policy

Ecomony

If you want more detail I will message you instead of derailing the thread.

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Karlis
Abortion

Taxes

Healthcare

Iraq

Foreign Policy

Ecomony

If you want more detail I will message you instead of derailing the thread.

Hi PhoenixDow,

I don't think you would be de-railing the thread by explaining as to why and which of Obama's policies are not good for USA and the world.

Note the OP:

What will be the consequences in America of the USA having the first black President?

How will this impact on the world?

Kind regards,

Karlis

PS Edit (added information).

As a matter of information to one and all, here are excerpts from Obams's website, about the issues you mention above, PhoenixDown. For more details, check out the links in Obama's home page.

Abortion

“Barack Obama understands that abortion is a divisive issue, and respects those who disagree with him. However, he has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.”

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/womenissues

Taxes

Barack Obama’s tax plan delivers broad-based tax relief to middle class families and cuts taxes for small businesses and companies that create jobs in America, while restoring fairness to our tax code and returning to fiscal responsibility.

http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

Healthcare

• Barack Obama will make health insurance affordable and accessible to all:

The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing healthcare system, and uses existing providers, doctors and plans to implement the plan.

• Obama will lower health care costs:

The Obama plan will lower health care costs by $2,500 for a typical family by investing in health information technology, prevention and care coordination.

• Promote public health:

Obama and Biden will require coverage of preventive services, including cancer screenings, and will increase state and local preparedness for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Iraq

• Barack Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq:

Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased.

• Encourage political accommodation:

Obama and Biden will press Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future and to substantially spend their oil revenues on their own reconstruction.

• Increase stability in Iraq and the region:

Obama and Biden will launch an aggressive diplomatic effort to reach a comprehensive compact on the stability of Iraq and the region. They also will address Iraq's refugee crisis.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Foreign Policy

• Secure loose nuclear materials from terrorists:

Obama and Biden will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years, and will negotiate a verifiable global ban on the production of new nuclear weapons material to curb the spread of nuclear weapons.

• Barack Obama will pursue tough, direct diplomacy without preconditions to end the threat from Iran:

Obama and Biden will present the Iranian regime with a clear choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, they would offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, Obama and Biden will step up our economic pressure and political isolation.

• Renew American diplomacy:

Obama and Biden will renew American diplomacy to meet the challenges of the 21st century. They will rebuild our alliances. And they would be willing to meet with all nations, friend and foe, to advance American interests.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/foreign_policy/

Ecomony

• Barack Obama will provide a tax cut for working families:

Obama and Biden will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 95 percent of working Americans the tax relief they need. They will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.

• Provide tax relief for small businesses and startups:

Obama and Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on startup and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation.

• Fight for fair trade:

Obama and Biden will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. They will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

So, which of Obama's policies are unsound to the USA, and why?

BTW, being a believer in the teachings of the Bible, I completely disagree with Obama regarding abortion; but that's just my personal conviction, and many will not agree with my take on that point. ;)

Ta,

Karlis

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AROCES
Wow, one would think a middle schooler would understand diplomacy. Apparently I have too much faith.

How could one would think the way a middle schooler understand diplomacy would work agains Mahmoud?

Yup, you surely had too much faith.

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Mattshark
I don't consider the Liberals and socialist of the world as the voice on the entire planet.

No but American liberalism is considered centre right in most of Europe.

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Quill
Black, White, or Other - he's a human being. Why should skin colour be a determining factor in a person's actions? If anything happens it is a result of his own human qualities, regardless of his skin.

That such a discussion on a person's skin could still happen in today's age shows just how far we have a species still to go!

Took the words right out of my mouth.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. " MLK

Nevermind his color or ancestry, even if I don't support his policies, I hope the man serves his country well.:unsure:

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The Silver Thong
No but American liberalism is considered centre right in most of Europe.

and Canada

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AROCES
No but American liberalism is considered centre right in most of Europe.

Alright, most if that is how you see it.

Just don't say the world. ;)

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Max.L
I'm worried about being able to run my air conditioner next summer after he's done jacking up electricity costs...

Then don't turn on the air conditioner..... Unless you Americans are too pampered by technology.. Use a dam fan and open your windows at night. That's what I do ......

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PhoenixDown
Hi PhoenixDow,

I don't think you would be de-railing the thread by explaining as to why and which of Obama's policies are not good for USA and the world.

Note the OP:

What will be the consequences in America of the USA having the first black President?

How will this impact on the world?

Kind regards,

Karlis

Abortion - he has said he will sign the "Freedom of Choice Act", which eventually could lead to the re-legalization of partial birth abortion. He has repeated the same old lie "for the health of the mother", when there is no reason for partial birth abortion other than selfishness. To me it is the murder of an innocent child that could have been delivered the exact same way only alive.

Taxes and Economy kind of go together - I believe if he taxes the way he says he is going to there will not be more jobs, but less. There are so many loopholes for the rich as it is that it usually ends up falling on the middle class. I believe his policies will take us right into a worldwide depression.

Healthcare - Government mandated healthcare doesn't work. People wait months to get things done. I think healthcare needs reformed, but I do not think that universal healthcare works.

Iraq - I think pulling the troops out of Iraq without finishing what we started is the wrong decision. Bush has set up withdraw for June, unless the Iraqi government wants us to stay. I want to make sure the country can make a go of it by themselves, not just leave them hanging. Otherwise I feel it was all pointless and the soliders who have lost their lives have died in vain. (of course, maybe Obama will follow Bush's timeline and then get all the credit for it)

I also believe that there are leaders out there that you can't just sit down and talk with. Obama wants to end Iran's nuke program - we will see. His own vice president says he is going "to be tested". We will see if he passes that test.

Also...in a good economy all the things Obama has promised would be hard to achieve. We can only hope it goes much better than I fear.

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PhoenixDown
Then don't turn on the air conditioner..... Unless you Americans are too pampered by technology.. Use a dam fan and open your windows at night. That's what I do ......

Yeah, that works in Arizona.

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Shadowmalerenamon

If we truly want racial equality, a black president should have no impact on the world, nor should a white or other race

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LogicalPiccolo
If we truly want racial equality, a black president should have no impact on the world, nor should a white or other race

Best said post I've read.

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Leonardo
Many democrats want to ban guns. Guns are protected by the constitution. (Amendment 2)

*pedant alert*

Neither 'guns', per se, nor the ownership of them are 'protected' by the Constitution. The freedom of the people to bear arms so as to be able to form an armed militia (standing or otherwise) in case of Governmental or foreign abuse of American freedoms otherwise protected by the Constitution is granted as a right by the document. This has been interpreted by the powerful pro-gun lobby and the judiciary sympathetic to them to mean 'the freedom to own a gun is American by right'. It is this interpretation that is being disputed, not the right for there to be an armed militia. While the point might seem moot, if the person wishing to own a gun has not volunteered to be part of said militia then, according to the Constitution, that person's 'right' to own a gun does not exist.

/*pedant alert*

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Mr  Honeybadger
Then don't turn on the air conditioner..... Unless you Americans are too pampered by technology.. Use a dam fan and open your windows at night. That's what I do ......

That's OK. Once Obama bankrupts those evil coal manufacturers, there probably won't be any electricity.

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LogicalPiccolo
Yeah, that works in Arizona.

I was going to say that as well. People in states like Arizona DIE from heat stroke every year, particularly elderly people. That is NOT a matter of being pampered. It is a matter of being able to LIVE. I think if someone is worried about a utility hike in such areas has more than enough right, without being referred to as weak, to be worried about it. It easy to insinuate it something us "pampered" Americans b!tch about instead of addressing the real matter, which is unrightfully raising power bills and using the excess to pay for God-Knows what.

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AROCES
If we truly want racial equality, a black president should have no impact on the world, nor should a white or other race

Yes!

Should be no big deal.

When Michael Jordan became the best Basketball player in the wotrld, it has nothing to do with him being black. I just became a fan for he was tremendously good!

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Mattshark
Healthcare - Government mandated healthcare doesn't work. People wait months to get things done. I think healthcare needs reformed, but I do not think that universal healthcare works.

Yes it does. I would be dead but for the NHS.

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PhoenixDown
Yes it does. I would be dead but for the NHS.

I will amend what I said.

It can work, but there are a ton of cons. I rather be able to pick my own healthcare, my own doctors, not have to wait for procedures. Plus that will mean another increase in taxes. Is it fair for someone, say a non-smoker to pay for someone who is sick from smoking?

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LogicalPiccolo
*pedant alert*

Neither 'guns', per se, nor the ownership of them are 'protected' by the Constitution. The freedom of the people to bear arms so as to be able to form an armed militia (standing or otherwise) in case of Governmental or foreign abuse of American freedoms otherwise protected by the Constitution is granted as a right by the document. This has been interpreted by the powerful pro-gun lobby and the judiciary sympathetic to them to mean 'the freedom to own a gun is American by right'. It is this interpretation that is being disputed, not the right for there to be an armed militia. While the point might seem moot, if the person wishing to own a gun has not volunteered to be part of said militia then, according to the Constitution, that person 'right' to own a gun does not exist.

/*pedant alert*

Well, I'm curious to wonder how many gun-owning Americans you know?

Because I can dang near guarantee that 99.99999999 percent of them would be MORE THAN WILLING to be a part of a militia if we were under domestic or foreign attack. :P As a matter of fact, it has often been discussed that one of the things that is a threat to outside countries, even above our own military, is the fact that our citizens (AND MANY OF THEM) are allowed to hold firearms. No one infiltrating America is going to just walk in and cause a ruckus unscathed, we are not like taking candy from a baby. They will have more than a few fights ahead of them, NOT just by our government, NOT just by our military, but by our citizens as a whole...because we've all been given the right to own guns and protect ourselves. If the right to personally own guns were taken from us, you think the government would have the CARE or TIME to come running back to our homes at a time of attack ready to hand out guns on a whim for the chance for our militias to form? What if it WERE Governmental abuse? We should not own guns in our own home to have the protection as needed in that situation? The government, if abusing us, is surely not going to go out of their way to make sure we have the firearms promised to us for protection under such circumstances. This of course, like most banter I spout, is only my humble opinion. (And you know I always respect yours Leo ;) )

In any case, I'm sure at this point you can tell I'm very PRO-Gun. But I always appreciate opposing views, that's the beauty of America. We can disagree and still live under the same roof...and it feeds my unrealistic desire to argue.

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Mr  Honeybadger
I will amend what I said.

It can work, but there are a ton of cons. I rather be able to pick my own healthcare, my own doctors, not have to wait for procedures. Plus that will mean another increase in taxes. Is it fair for someone, say a non-smoker to pay for someone who is sick from smoking?

A tax increase on a monumental scale.

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Mattshark
I will amend what I said.

It can work, but there are a ton of cons. I rather be able to pick my own healthcare, my own doctors, not have to wait for procedures. Plus that will mean another increase in taxes. Is it fair for someone, say a non-smoker to pay for someone who is sick from smoking?

Is it fair that a poorer person can't afford the chemotherapy that saves their lives? Health care should be a right not a privilege.

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Karlis
*pedant alert*

Neither 'guns', per se, nor the ownership of them are 'protected' by the Constitution. The freedom of the people to bear arms so as to be able to form an armed militia (standing or otherwise) in case of Governmental or foreign abuse of American freedoms otherwise protected by the Constitution is granted as a right by the document. This has been interpreted by the powerful pro-gun lobby and the judiciary sympathetic to them to mean 'the freedom to own a gun is American by right'. It is this interpretation that is being disputed, not the right for there to be an armed militia. While the point might seem moot, if the person wishing to own a gun has not volunteered to be part of said militia then, according to the Constitution, that person's 'right' to own a gun does not exist.

/*pedant alert*

Leonardo, yours is "a voice of sanity and reason", as far as the Constitution is concerned. I wonder how many American citizens really understand what you wrote? ;)

Kind regards,

Karlis

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