BBC producer shot dead two hours after

[chemical-licker]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...iled-state.html

BBC producer shot dead two hours after arriving in Somalia 'felt under pressure to visit the failed state'

A BBC producer who was shot and killed by Jihadi assassins two hours after arriving in Somalia had felt 'under pressure' to accept the dangerous posting, an inquest heard yesterday.

Kate Peyton, 39, was leaving a hotel following a meeting with the country's Transitional Federal Government when she was hit by a single shot.

The inquest heard a number of Westerners had already been assassinated by radical Islamic groups and visitors were considered to be at 'extreme' risk - but BBC reporters were advised to avoid wearing protective jackets.

In July, the BBC failed at a private hearing before Greater Suffolk coroner Dr Peter Dean to restrict the scope of the inquest. But he rejected their arguments, saying the inquiry would look into whether Miss Peyton felt pressure to take the job.

Speaking before the hearing, Miss Peyton's sister Rebecca, 36, said: 'The BBC made a big thing over the Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand fiasco when their attitude seemed to be that "nobody had actually died".

'But here we are with our case and it really does involve the death of a person. Yet they've been doing everything they can to narrow the scope of the inquest.'

dizzy liberal thinking, watch out for them they gonna get you killed.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Saru
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[Lord Umbarger]

If you go to some G-d forsaken place, you are taking your life in your hands. I have a sneaking suspicion that this reporter was fully aware of the turmoil in that part of the world and chose to ignore it. People do things like that at their own peril.

Now, if we want to feel sorry for someone, how about those living there that have no choice? You know, the ones who were born there and can't get out?

[chemical-licker]

If you go to some G-d forsaken place, you are taking your life in your hands. I have a sneaking suspicion that this reporter was fully aware of the turmoil in that part of the world and chose to ignore it. People do things like that at their own peril.

Now, if we want to feel sorry for someone, how about those living there that have no choice? You know, the ones who were born there and can't get out?

not strictly true, THEIR COMING OVER TO ENGLAND.

[ifisurvive]

dizzy liberal thinking, watch out for them they gonna get you killed.

How does your comment relate to the story you posted?

[Splodgenessabounds]

If you go to some G-d forsaken place, you are taking your life in your hands. I have a sneaking suspicion that this reporter was fully aware of the turmoil in that part of the world and chose to ignore it. People do things like that at their own peril.

I think you missed the part where she thought she would get fired if she didn't go, your sneaking suspicion is completely baseless.

Now, if we want to feel sorry for someone, how about those living there that have no choice? You know, the ones who were born there and can't get out?

Are you saying we shouldn't feel sorry for someone who allegedly was forced to go somewhere unstable and was murdered because of it?

[Sweetpumper]

I think you missed the part where she thought she would get fired if she didn't go

So what? If my boss told me to go to some cesspool like that or lose my job, I'd tell him to **** off.

[stevewinn]

I think you missed the part where she thought she would get fired if she didn't go, your sneaking suspicion is completely baseless.

Are you saying we shouldn't feel sorry for someone who allegedly was forced to go somewhere unstable and was murdered because of it?

She wasn't forced to go, it was all presumption on her part, she was never told you must go, you have to go, she was trying to read between the lines.

Miss Peyton told the court her sister feared her contract might not be renewed if she did not go to Somalia, despite the BBC's policy that no staff are forced to go to trouble spots. She was told there were doubts about her commitment to the job. She saw that she had to go to prove her commitment. When it comes to foreign journalism you can earn a lot of points by going to a dangerous place.

She knew the risk, she somehow come to the conclusion that it was a risk worth taking, lets face it, she was a journalist, If she didn't want to go she could have said NO, and in a worst case scenario leave the job.

its a shame she come unstuck and paid the price. she should have use her loaf. remember it was the BBC she was working for not the Army. she had a choice,

[BiffSplitkins]

She looked a little 'Ginger-ish' to me, I think that's why they killed her.

[Bill Hill]

While tragic, it's a high risk job, you can't blame the BBC for wanting to send her to Somalia- it's what they do.

It's up to you whether you take it not.

She seemed a logical choice- she lived on the same continent - Incidently, in Johannesburg, the murder capital of the world.

She also worked, not only in African conflict zones but in the Middle East as well.

Besides they mention she wasn't a

risk-taker or a glory-seeker.

a bit too many times for my liking.

That's big clue for those of us who study and know BBC reporting techniques.

It's like Fox news- you get to know their style.

ie.. She was a risk-taker and glory seeker.

Her brief in Somalia was to record the first signs of hope in that country's recent tragic history.

Edited November 26, 2008 by Bill Hill

[Sthenno]

If you go to some G-d forsaken place, you are taking your life in your hands. I have a sneaking suspicion that this reporter was fully aware of the turmoil in that part of the world and chose to ignore it. People do things like that at their own peril.

Now, if we want to feel sorry for someone, how about those living there that have no choice? You know, the ones who were born there and can't get out?

I don't agree. Surely the only way that people forced to live in these circumstances can be helped is if the world is made aware of the situation they're living in? That can only happen if people like this are brave enough to sacrifice their home comforts and put themselves in the firing line to expose what is happening. I do feel unendingly sorry for people who are born into this situation, but that doesn't mean I'm disqualified from feeling for those who die trying to make the TV watching, MacDonald's eating western population gain a modicum of understanding of the situation.

[MasterPo]

How does your comment relate to the story you posted?

Many reporters think themselves above it all, neutral observers loved by all. They don't see this happening to them and are a ghast when it does.

[ifisurvive]

Many reporters think themselves above it all, neutral observers loved by all. They don't see this happening to them and are a ghast when it does.

Nope, still don't see how the story relates to "dizzy liberal thinking, watch out for them they gonna get you killed". Nor see how your interptretation is relevant either.

If the BBC did pressure the producer then that's hardly a 'dizzy liberal' action. If there was no pressurising then it's just a normal request.

If the producer did feel pressure, then putting herself into danger to help her own career is hardly a 'dizzy liberal' action either. If there was no pressure then she followed the suggested security measures so I don't think she was going there thinking there were having a war with elastic bands and feather dusters and her BBC pass would protect her from harm. Given plenty of reporters get killed - from right or left wing news agencies - I would say anyone that thinks being a reporter grants themselves safety in a conflict zone isn't 'liberal', but 'stupid'.

[chemical-licker]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20081126/tuk-u...ia-6323e80.html

UK reporter 'kidnapped in Somalia'

A British reporter is believed to be one of two foreign journalists kidnapped in northern Somalia.

Abshir Abdi Jama, police spokesman in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, said the pair had been working on a story about piracy in the region and were kidnapped on Wednesday. Their nationalities were not immediately known, but Jama said one was believed to be British, the other of Lebanese origin.

Why oh why do these people go out to such a place

They wont hurt me im a liberal, i think all humans are good

[chemical-licker]

I would say anyone that thinks being a reporter grants themselves safety in a conflict zone isn't 'liberal', but 'stupid'.

you got to be a liberal in the first place to be stupid to put yourself and get paid to be in a war zone

[Bill Hill]

They wont hurt me im a liberal, i think all humans are good

"Hi yeah people it's ok I'm Guardian reporter, I don't work for the Daily mail..."

[Mr Honeybadger]

Many reporters think themselves above it all, neutral observers loved by all. They don't see this happening to them and are a ghast when it does.

I think there's alot of thruth in that. Liberal reporters might think that since they are sympathetic to " the oppressed ", they will be safe. But many time " the oppressed " would still shoot them dead.

[Splodgenessabounds]

you got to be a liberal in the first place to be stupid to put yourself and get paid to be in a war zone

Are you saying this woman should get no sympathy at all? Yes, maybe she needed to have a little more sense before going there or tell the BBC to get stuffed but the way you're going on is almost suggesting that she deserved it and we shouldn't feel sorry for her or her family, because she's a stupid liberal.

Edited November 26, 2008 by Splodgenessabounds

[Cleomenes]

Are you saying this woman should get no sympathy at all? Yes, maybe she needed to have a little more sense before going there or tell the BBC to get stuffed but the way you're going on is almost suggesting that she deserved it and we shouldn't feel sorry for her or her family, because she's a stupid liberal.

You're reading a bit too much into his statement.

[chemical-licker]

Are you saying this woman should get no sympathy at all? Yes, maybe she needed to have a little more sense before going there or tell the BBC to get stuffed but the way you're going on is almost suggesting that she deserved it and we shouldn't feel sorry for her or her family, because she's a stupid liberal.

your saying that not me,

[Splodgenessabounds]

your saying that not me,

Is that what your statement implied or not? Instead of coming out with irrelevent comments that don't help the discussion in any way, shape, or form you could easily have said either,

Yes, that women deserves no sympathy. OR

No, she does deserve some sympathy but it's still her own fault for going.

Which one?

Edited November 26, 2008 by Splodgenessabounds

[chemical-licker]

Which one? The choice is a bit restrictive.

If we could measure sympathy in a chart, say starting with 'meh, mmmh to oh no..oh dear'

My sympathy would be somewhere inbetween 'meh and mmmh'

We're not talking a Darwin award here, or are we? but there is nothing worse than false sympathy.

Are you suggesting we have a state funeral with full journalistic honours?

Or expect to see some kind of Diana effect?

Choices are made..if you go into a war zone- expect people to shoot at you.

[crtDzyn]

Don't wear a flak jacket... you'll be safer.

I bet whoever lent her that gem of wisdom feels like a total dousche.

Edited November 26, 2008 by crtDzyn

[Splodgenessabounds]

Which one? The choice is a bit restrictive.

Yeah I guess it is really

If we could measure sympathy in a chart, say starting with 'meh, mmmh to oh no..oh dear'

My sympathy would be somewhere inbetween 'meh and mmmh'

We're not talking a Darwin award here, or are we? but there is nothing worse than false sympathy.

Are you suggesting we have a state funeral with full journalistic honours?

Or expect to see some kind of Diana effect?

Choices are made..if you go into a war zone- expect people to shoot at you.

You make a good point.

But it's all this "They wont hurt me im a liberal, i think all humans are good", stuff you brought up as well. I have no idea if she's a liberal or not but I'm sure she didn't go there thinking that it was The Shire or the Land of Oz.

I don't want to advocate false sympathy either because I think it can get a bit patronising and I'm not going to go through the rest of the day thinking, "Oh that poor girl, how awful to lose another human life, I must send a card to show my sympathies", but I do feel a twinge of sympathy for them. I dunno, maybe I'd rate "meh and mmmh" on your sympathometre too. It was just the way I interpreted your post I suppose, guess I overeacted a tad. Sorry.

Anyway, onwards and upwards....

[crtDzyn]

The more I think about this the dumber it seems to me.

"Don't wear a flak jacket because it will attract attention.... but heres an eight-person security detail, you'll blend right in."

[Splodgenessabounds]

The more I think about this the dumber it seems to me.

"Don't wear a flak jacket because it will attract attention.... but heres an eight-person security detail, you'll blend right in."

Who told her this? Whoever it is, they're an idiot.

Edited November 26, 2008 by Splodgenessabounds