Randy09 Posted December 14, 2008 #1 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Hi guys, I'm just curious as to what the difference is between the entities that are Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub and the Serpent that was in the Garden Of Eden in Christian/Demon belief. Regardless on your belief can anyone let me me know if there are differences or whether they are all the same? Thanks, Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT Posted December 14, 2008 #2 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I think all the same thing, just another name... all bad Same as there are several names for God...... all good from ones individual perspective that is..... Welcome to UM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaphantum Posted December 15, 2008 #3 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Lucifer, Satan, and the serpent are all the same... Beelzebub on the other hand depends on what you read... in some literature they are 2 different beings, and in some, they are the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieSymptom Posted December 16, 2008 #4 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I'm sure you will end up getting some slightly more out-there answers from people who hold fringe beliefs in christianity or demonology, but - Simply, they are all the same thing - Abrahamic religion's concept of evil, temptation, against God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnaka Posted December 16, 2008 #5 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I think all the same thing, just another name... all bad Same as there are several names for God...... all good from ones individual perspective that is..... Welcome to UM! Agreed, Yall left out Carl and Roxanne. Relativley speaking. Love Omnaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticOnion Posted December 16, 2008 #6 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Lucifer is the light bringer - bringer of knowledge and can be found on the tree of life picture disguised as a serpent:- http://www.samliquidation.com/images/snake2.gif Satan is a fallen angel, rebelled against God and the name may derive from the Egyptian SET or semetic "stn" meaning to be hostile or to accuse. In the book of Enoch he is the fallen angel Sataniel - not Lucifer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan Beelzebub - Lord of the flies, another semetic God. Not really a Devil though, just not Jehovah:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unorthodox Thesis Posted December 17, 2008 #7 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Lucifer doesn't even appear in the original text. It was a Latin word added by the translators. (not to mention the fact that in the only instance in which it appears; Isaiah 14:14 is not even referring to Satan, but the King of Babylon which most scholars believe to be Nebuchadnezzar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dying Seraph Posted December 22, 2008 #8 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Lucifer=Bearer of light. As far as Satan goes many would say that the word embodies evil, but to the Satanist Satan represents liberation,self indulgence rather than abstinence, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kratos Posted December 22, 2008 #9 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Lucifer is the light bringer - bringer of knowledge and can be found on the tree of life picture disguised as a serpent:- http://www.samliquidation.com/images/snake2.gif Satan is a fallen angel, rebelled against God and the name may derive from the Egyptian SET or semetic "stn" meaning to be hostile or to accuse. In the book of Enoch he is the fallen angel Sataniel - not Lucifer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan Beelzebub - Lord of the flies, another semetic God. Not really a Devil though, just not Jehovah:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub Some correction needed, Lucifer, means the morning star, which was the star of Sirius within the orion constellation. Worshipped by ancient Egypt and Babylonian religions as god, often called Baal. The morning star was used for navigation purposes too and this name has been adapted by the christian and later latin addition to the bible as the name for Satan. Infact the Freemasons and other secret organisation worship this god, lucifer, which is the diety Baal, of ancient babylon. The ancients thought that heaven was in the Orion constellation. Satan is not taken from the egyptian Set, but actually from Arabic and before you shout and rant, Arabic is a semetic language, and the arabs are brethren of the jews. The arabic for Satan is Shaytan, see the uncanny resemblance, but the islamic faith goes a bit further to name him as Iblis too. Shaytan means the deceiver i think maybe im wrong i cant remember right now, and Iblis is his true name. As for him being a fallen angel, the abrahamic faiths, including christianity actually say that angels are creations with out free will, therefore cannot rebel. They only obey god, I like the islamic point on this, he is a Djinn a free willed creation which lives among us today and were here before us, the spirit world or demons, but they claim he was once good and worshipped God the most, and was put in charge of the angels as their cheif, but rebelled because of his ego, when man was created as god most superior creation. As a result he became mans ulitmate enemy, granted life till the end of time and creation to do his best in taking us to hell. He is mortal, but granted life in order to prove his claim. In conclusion, Lucifer, is not the devil but a diety worshipped in ancient times, as Baal, but today called lucifer, the morning star. Satan is the devil to which religion refer to. Beelzebub, not sure, but if i remember correctly he is also an ancient diety or fellow demon in allegience with Satan. Kratos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandore Posted December 22, 2008 #10 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Perhaps Jesus should be added to the OP list.. They are both like a lion. Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: They are the morning star Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! They existed before the universe was created. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Job 38 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? They are sons of God. Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKnight Posted December 22, 2008 #11 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Lucifer is a term found in the Tanakh that denotes King Nebuchadnezzar. He declared himself the morning star, and as such was called lucifer by the prophets when they discussed his fall. Satan is a Hebrew term for "Adversary". There is no individual Satan but rather a collection of forces known as Satan. When you are commanded to do something it is Satan who will try to convince you not to. Not that Satan is an actual being, but more so a force. Also, Satan is not always necessarily bad. This is where the Serpent comes in. If you look at the story of Gan Eden you'll see that the serpent represents our animal nature. Our more fleshy self. In essence, there may not have been a serpent in the Garden, it may have been that Eve was tempted by her own flesh. This topic is discussed in detail in the Serpents of Desire series on Aish.com Serpents of Desire: Introduction Serpents of Desire: #2 Serpents of Desire: #3 Serpents of Desire: #4 Serpents of Desire: #5 Serpents of Desire: #6 Serpents of Desire: #7 Serpents of Desire: #8 Serpents of Desire: #9 Serpents of Desire: #10 Serpents of Desire: Final Chapter It's kind of a long read, but it's provides a really thorough understanding of the Jewish view of the Serpent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandore Posted December 22, 2008 #12 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) Also, Satan is not always necessarily bad. Per Hebrew text "Satan" is a divine messenger sent by G-d as an adversary....a member of G-d's inner council if you will. There is nothing in the older parts of the Hebrew Scriptures where Satan is portrayed as an evil devil. EDIT: I also recommend aish.com Edited December 22, 2008 by zandore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kratos Posted December 23, 2008 #13 Share Posted December 23, 2008 The word 'Satan', and the Arabic شيطان "shaitan", may derive from a Northwest Semitic root śṭn, meaning "to be hostile", "to accuse."[1] An alternative explanation is provided by the Hebrew in Job 1:7. When God asks him whence he has come, Satan answers: "From wandering (mi'ŝuṭ) the earth and walking on it" (מִשּׁוּט בָּאָרֶץ, וּמֵהִתְהַלֵּךְ בָּה). The root ŝuṭ signifies wandering on foot or sailing. 'Satan' would thus be "the Wanderer". Link The word Shaitan is also used in Sanskrit, the ancient language of the hindu scriptures Vedas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metacast Posted December 23, 2008 #14 Share Posted December 23, 2008 They are the morning star Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Son of the morning and morning star are two different things. just pointing out-- this probably is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosewin Posted December 23, 2008 #15 Share Posted December 23, 2008 They are all false teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nachtmahr Posted December 23, 2008 #16 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Per Hebrew text "Satan" is a divine messenger sent by G-d as an adversary....a member of G-d's inner council if you will. There is nothing in the older parts of the Hebrew Scriptures where Satan is portrayed as an evil devil. EDIT: I also recommend aish.com What? Are you afraid of the word "God"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo nanza Posted December 24, 2008 #17 Share Posted December 24, 2008 what the difference is between the entities that are Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub and the Serpent Hope this Helps Lucifer is the name of Satan when he was still in Heaven- Before his pride took over and he tried to dethrone God and led a rebellion and took a 3rd of the angels with him! He was an archangel and leader of Music in heaven and had built in instruments in his body! He was as the most beautiful angel created another thing that stroked his ego! His rebellion resulted in a war in Heaven and he was kicked out of heaven and sent to Earth! Some of his other names.... Abaddon Revelation 9:11 Accuser Revelation 12:10 Adversary 1 Peter 5:8 Angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14 Angel of the bottomless pit Revelation 9:11 Anointed covering cherub Ezekiel 28:14 Apollyon Revelation 9:11 Beast Revelation 14:9,10 Beelzebub Matthew 12:24 Belial 2 Corinthians 6:15 Deceiver Revelation 12:9 Devil 1 John 3:8 Dragon Revelation 12:9 Enemy Matthew 13:39 Evil one John 17:15 Father of lies John 8:44 God of this age 2 Corinthians 4:4 King of Babylon Isaiah 14:4 King of the bottomless pit Revelation 9:11 King of Tyre Ezekiel 28:12 Lawless one 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 Leviathan Isaiah 27:1 Liar John 8:44 Little horn Daniel 8:9-11 Lucifer Isaiah 14:12-14 Man of sin Thessalonians 2:3,4 Murderer John 8:44 Power of darkness Colossians 1:13, 14 Prince of the power of the air Ephesians 2:1,2 Roaring lion 1 Peter 5:8 Ruler of the darkness Ephesians 6:12 Ruler of demons Luke 11:15 Ruler of this world John 12:31,32 Satan Mark 1:13 Serpent of old Revelation 12:9 Son of perdition 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 Star Revelation 9:1 Tempter Matthew 4:3 Thief John 10:10 They are all the Same being- the different names are to describe his different attributes. God has several names to describe him as well- Jesus has some as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosewin Posted December 24, 2008 #18 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Thank you for pointing out they are 'different attributes'. Anyone could take a look at Ezekiel 28 and see that when the King of Tyre is being discussed it is not the attributes of an earthly king. The entity being discussed was in the Garden of Eden. They were a cherub angel (at least in the English version). No, not a mortal. It is the one and the same being known as Satan, Lucifer, etc... You can translate them into new languages but these new names still refer to the same person. The Devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt_Ripley Posted December 24, 2008 #19 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Thank you for pointing out they are 'different attributes'. Anyone could take a look at Ezekiel 28 and see that when the King of Tyre is being discussed it is not the attributes of an earthly king. The entity being discussed was in the Garden of Eden. They were a cherub angel (at least in the English version). No, not a mortal. It is the one and the same being known as Satan, Lucifer, etc... You can translate them into new languages but these new names still refer to the same person. The Devil. and the jews would say differently. that satan is still an active angel of God. it was christianity that twisted the bible . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo nanza Posted December 25, 2008 #20 Share Posted December 25, 2008 it was christianity that twisted the bible . Or Satan in the name of Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeycastaneda56 Posted December 25, 2008 #21 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Hi guys, I'm just curious as to what the difference is between the entities that are Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub and the Serpent that was in the Garden Of Eden in Christian/Demon belief. Regardless on your belief can anyone let me me know if there are differences or whether they are all the same? Thanks, Randy .............<<>> Here are some personal names and titles given to Lucifer. As He is mentioned over 175 times in Scriptures. Lucifer (Isa.14:12-14) ; Devil and Satan (Rev.12:9) ; Beelzebub (Matt.10:25 ; Belial (1 Cor.6:15) ; Adversary (1 Pet.5:8-9) ; Dragon (Rev.12:3-12; 13:1-4 ; 20:1-3) ; Serpent (2 Cor 11:3 ; Rev.12:9) ; The God of this World (2 Cor.4:4); The Prince of the World (John 12: 31) ; The Prince of the Power of the Air (Eph.2:1-3) ; The Accuser of our Brethren (Rev.12:10) ; The Enemy (Matt. 13:39) ; Tempter (Matt. 4:3) ; The Wicked One (Matt. 13:19, 38); and That Wicked One (1 John.5:18). Lucifer is only called a Serpent by name He was not the Serpent spoke of in (Gen.3:1). The Serpent was not the personal devil, but merely a tool of the devil and a creature of the field which God had made and is proved in the following points: #1 - This is plainly stated in Gen.3:1, "Now the serpent was more subtle [impudent] than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made." Satan is a fallen angel, and not a beast of the field. The devil does not crawl upon his belly as is true of a literal serpent. #2 - No statement in Scripture ever teaches that Satan as a angel can turn into a literal serpent or any other beast. #3 - The curse upon the serpent continues upon literal snakes even in the Millennium when it is removed from all other animals (Isa.65:25). If a literal serpent was not involved in the fall of man. why should it be cursed above all other creatures? #4 - The Hebrew word for serpent is (nachash), which means a literal snake. It is always used of a literal snake except in Isa.27:1, where it is clear that no literal snake is referred to. Following our principle of taking the Bible literally whenever possible, we naturally conclude that Gen. 3 refers to a literal snake just as it does in every other place except one. In both testaments when the literal meaning is not understood it is always clear or it is explained that a literal serpent is not meant (Isa.27:1 ; Rev.12:9 ; 20:2). #5 - The language of Gen.3 is literal. not symbolical, as is Rev.12:3-17, where the serpent is explained as a symbol of Satan. Suppose we substitute the word devil every place the word serpent is used in literal passages as Gen.3; Exodus 4:3 ; 7:9-15 ; etc., and note the results. Thus there is no excuse for believing that the serpent of Gen. 3 was the devil in person. #6 - Eve was acquainted with the literal serpent in the garden, but she new nothing of the devil; so if a strange person had appeared to her she would have been afraid to converse with him .We concluded that the serpent was literal and that Eve was well acquainted with him and had talked with him on other occasions.....Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkullofBears Posted December 25, 2008 #22 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Cool posts, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticOnion Posted December 25, 2008 #23 Share Posted December 25, 2008 .............<<>> Here are some personal names and titles given to Lucifer. As He is mentioned over 175 times in Scriptures. Lucifer (Isa.14:12-14) ; Devil and Satan (Rev.12:9) ; Beelzebub (Matt.10:25 ; Belial (1 Cor.6:15) ; Adversary (1 Pet.5:8-9) ; Dragon (Rev.12:3-12; 13:1-4 ; 20:1-3) ; Serpent (2 Cor 11:3 ; Rev.12:9) ; The God of this World (2 Cor.4:4); The Prince of the World (John 12: 31) ; The Prince of the Power of the Air (Eph.2:1-3) ; The Accuser of our Brethren (Rev.12:10) ; The Enemy (Matt. 13:39) ; Tempter (Matt. 4:3) ; The Wicked One (Matt. 13:19, 38); and That Wicked One (1 John.5:18). Lucifer is only called a Serpent by name He was not the Serpent spoke of in (Gen.3:1). The Serpent was not the personal devil, but merely a tool of the devil and a creature of the field which God had made and is proved in the following points: #1 - This is plainly stated in Gen.3:1, "Now the serpent was more subtle [impudent] than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made." Satan is a fallen angel, and not a beast of the field. The devil does not crawl upon his belly as is true of a literal serpent. #2 - No statement in Scripture ever teaches that Satan as a angel can turn into a literal serpent or any other beast. #3 - The curse upon the serpent continues upon literal snakes even in the Millennium when it is removed from all other animals (Isa.65:25). If a literal serpent was not involved in the fall of man. why should it be cursed above all other creatures? #4 - The Hebrew word for serpent is (nachash), which means a literal snake. It is always used of a literal snake except in Isa.27:1, where it is clear that no literal snake is referred to. Following our principle of taking the Bible literally whenever possible, we naturally conclude that Gen. 3 refers to a literal snake just as it does in every other place except one. In both testaments when the literal meaning is not understood it is always clear or it is explained that a literal serpent is not meant (Isa.27:1 ; Rev.12:9 ; 20:2). #5 - The language of Gen.3 is literal. not symbolical, as is Rev.12:3-17, where the serpent is explained as a symbol of Satan. Suppose we substitute the word devil every place the word serpent is used in literal passages as Gen.3; Exodus 4:3 ; 7:9-15 ; etc., and note the results. Thus there is no excuse for believing that the serpent of Gen. 3 was the devil in person. #6 - Eve was acquainted with the literal serpent in the garden, but she new nothing of the devil; so if a strange person had appeared to her she would have been afraid to converse with him .We concluded that the serpent was literal and that Eve was well acquainted with him and had talked with him on other occasions.....Joey Lucifer isn't Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeycastaneda56 Posted December 25, 2008 #24 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Lucifer isn't Satan. .............<<>> Prove it to me please. Thank you, Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronSamedi Posted December 25, 2008 #25 Share Posted December 25, 2008 The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . ." The New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent. And yet it is this lucifer, the bright one or lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for Satan, Lord of Darkness. Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge. Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die. Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, showe us the way to either be One with God or to be a God ourself Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians 'Shaiten) meaning adversary. The word is used more as a descriptive noun or prono'un. A fallen tree preventing a husband from getting to his injured wife would be considered a tree of shaiten, more or less. Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes such as the Essenes began referring to anyone not an Essene as a Shaiten. Still further the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world. There is no Satan Lucifer est lux lucis Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms. Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since. But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . . The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light! A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network. Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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