Electrokinesis

[SkullofBears]

1) I was not trying to prove anything, I was only trying to help out a person with the same interests as me. You were the one who came in here calling me a liar.

2) The fact remains that the challenge isn't as legit as it should be.

3) I don't care if you are not impressed, because I didn't talk about my occurrences with the intention of 'impressing' anyone. I was, once again, trying to help someone out.

For the sake of the whole telekinesis field and scientific community why would you not come forward? It would advance the field by leaps and bounds.

[eight bits]

The Randi Challenge is an empty publicity stunt. The most recent display of quick fingers is recounted here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/025627.html

I hold no brief for homoepathic medicine, by the way.

This latest is not the only incident of flim-flammery connected with the non-offer:

http://www.dailygrail.com/features/the-myt...ollar-challenge

There is a marvelous line in James Goldman's play The Lion in Winter. King Henry has been stalling the marriage of his son to a French Princess for years. The French king demands a prompt wedding. Queen Eleanor advises giving the French king what he wants. After all, she says, "The needlework alone will take years."

That is Randi's modus operandi. It has nothing to do with science, and nothing to do with serious inquiry of any kind.

As far as I know, the charade is scheduled to end on March 6, 2010. Good riddance.

How can anybody describe themselves a skeptic and believe in this fairy tale?

[Darknight1]

The 'prize' is a publicity stunt, which, if you look closely, begins to fall apart at the seams when trying to say that since nobody has won the MILLION DOLLARS, then none of these abilities are possible.

I really wouldn't leave it up to a tv. show to tell me weither or not an ability is real. I mean come on now. If you where gifted with say like Telekinesis would you want to go on that show trying to prove you have the ability? Would you really want all that attention. Not to mention the scientists would probably want to have a look at ya see whats going on.

[SkullofBears]

I admit my fault with the Randi challenge, but with that aside... Nodody can control lightning or an apartment complexes energy with the power of there mind. Period.

[Kayne14]

I wouldn't say that I have 'mastered' the manipulation of electricity but I have had a few experiences with it.

I can control where lightning strikes during a storm. At least I could (haven't been able to in a year). And it was more a matter of choosing a spot and having lightning strike in that exact direction, but my control over the distance from myself where it struck was not that developed. To do this I would literally just stare at a spot in the sky and visualize the earth attracting a lightning bolt, with a line(ish) of darkly charged particles tracing the path. I would try to empty this path for the bolt, like digging a trench along which water would flow... know what I mean?

I also have made the lights in my apartment complex go out (not during a storm). This was before I was aware of any abilities of mine. I was taking my nightly walk around my apartments, and was just messing around, imagining (which, thought I didn't know it then, was my visualizing) myself absorbing and building up energy from the surrounding environment. At that time, I didn't ascribe a particular element or feeling to the energy, I was just seeing what would happen. I built it up as much as I could, then sent it out from myself all at once. Exactly as I did that, all the lights in the apt complex shut off.

Like I said, not really a master, but tryin' to help out anyway.

[Meiliken]

Dude, no you didn't. It's impossible!

Not entirely. The human body is an electrical generator. It literally runs off of electrical impulses that runs everything from the synapses in your brain, to your muscle contractions/retractions. This is why when you are electrocuted, your body becomes rigid. When that amount on electricity is flowing into you, every muscle in your body is fully contracted, every one of them. Now considering this, one can do a small test on their own for this. Get a multimeter, turn it on to measure voltage, grab the electrode sensors, and concentrate. Voila', you will see the number rise on the display. Not much yes, but it will rise. I used to work on the electrical systems of M1A1 tanks, so I used them all the time. Throwing lightning though? This isn't Heroes, but one could generate a slight static charge if they were concentrating enough, but that's about it. Anything more than that and you're frying yourself.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

I admit my fault with the Randi challenge, but with that aside... Nodody can control lightning or an apartment complexes energy with the power of there mind. Period.

While I agree that it is highly unlikely human being can control energy like this. It's still entirely possible though. If physicists are right about strings and I'm sure they are, then everything in the universe is connected by them. Anything possible although somethings are improbable.

Edited March 27, 2009 by Deceptikon

[bald monkey]

okay so ive brought this topic because one im uber interested in it and two i wanted some help. okay so electrokinesis... alright so i completeley believe in it and i can do a bit my self bit myself but i was woondering if anyone has actually mastered this and is able to manipuate thier electricity and what happens. meaning can you make an aura surrounding your self of electricity, can you serously shock poeple on will i wanna know. cause like ive been practicing when ever i have spare time for a little under a year and all i can do is shock poeple, turn out lights and **** up phone reseption. no joke. and if anyone can do anything can u plz give me some tips. and if you dont could poeple give me some advice on how to meditate better.like especially for chi absorbing/energy absorbing kk cool

Street lights turn off when I walk under them.

I can't keep a radio for longer than a few days (because it stops working)

I can turn TVs up and down but that's probably audio kenesis.

Basically, whatever you focus on changes.(Quantum physics)

Whatever you know is true..is.

As for chi energy I do tai chi and Qigong.

Very very very very very good way to increase chi energy.

Starting out you should do tai chi for 3 years and then move on to qigong.(To maximize chi)

I can move objects with chi energy alone now.

And for meditation.

I find trancelike meditations to work best.

Chanting,drumming,dancing,staring,listening W/E those are the best to me

But please remember that meditation is a time to relax the mind.

The mind is always working even while you sleep.

So meditation is a time to remove all thoughts and let your mind heal itself.

[Meiliken]

Street lights turn off when I walk under them.

I can't keep a radio for longer than a few days (because it stops working)

I can turn TVs up and down but that's probably audio kenesis.

Basically, whatever you focus on changes.(Quantum physics)

Whatever you know is true..is.

As for chi energy I do tai chi and Qigong.

Very very very very very good way to increase chi energy.

Starting out you should do tai chi for 3 years and then move on to qigong.(To maximize chi)

I can move objects with chi energy alone now.

And for meditation.

I find trancelike meditations to work best.

Chanting,drumming,dancing,staring,listening W/E those are the best to me

But please remember that meditation is a time to relax the mind.

The mind is always working even while you sleep.

So meditation is a time to remove all thoughts and let your mind heal itself.

Street lights work off of timers and have sensors for how much light there is around the sensor. That's all they're controlled by.

I have no choice but to differ with you on Quantum Physics. It has nothing to do with psychic abilities. I'm a Quantum Physicist, so I have no choice but to say no.

With that in mind, everything you've said will have to be backed up with proof or some kind of scientific analysis. Otherwise it comes off and personal bias.

[Metalada2]

ok let me tell you a technique i did that makes electricity bounce around your hand,first you grab your wrist with one hand and the other visualize electricity bouncing and shocking around you have to do it the first 15 minutes with your eyes close, then with your eyes open.After 30 minutes you should feel like real electricity in your hand

[Mattshark]

ok let me tell you a technique i did that makes electricity bounce around your hand,first you grab your wrist with one hand and the other visualize electricity bouncing and shocking around you have to do it the first 15 minutes with your eyes close, then with your eyes open.After 30 minutes you should feel like real electricity in your hand

That is not possible. Look up some basics of electricity and you'll see why.

[aquatus1]

That is not possible. Look up some basics of electricity and you'll see why.

Oh, I beg to differ, It's absolutely possible...for it to feel like real electricity.

It will not be real electricity, however, and any amateur handyman who has learned about turning off the circuit breakers the hard way can support that.

What is happening is that when you grasp the wrist, your hand is clenching, and as such, is adding pressure within your hands. This means that the nerves within your hands are being squeezed. Not a lot, and not hard, but over the course of 15 minutes (let alone 30), it will be significant enough. Around this time, your hand muscles are starting to weaken from the continuous clench, and as they imperceptibly loosen, pressure on the nerves is relieved. This leads to a mild tingling sensation as the nerves slowly resume discharging at the normal rate. It is this tingling sensation that feels like a mild electrical current, but rest assured, it is nothing more than your nerves resuming normal function.

[mcrom901]

okay so ive brought this topic because one im uber interested in it and two i wanted some help. okay so electrokinesis... alright so i completeley believe in it and i can do a bit my self bit myself but i was woondering if anyone has actually mastered this and is able to manipuate thier electricity and what happens. meaning can you make an aura surrounding your self of electricity, can you serously shock poeple on will i wanna know. cause like ive been practicing when ever i have spare time for a little under a year and all i can do is shock poeple, turn out lights and **** up phone reseption. no joke. and if anyone can do anything can u plz give me some tips. and if you dont could poeple give me some advice on how to meditate better.like especially for chi absorbing/energy absorbing kk cool

is your man............ one of his students Kosta Danaos.... has written The Magus of Java: Teachings of an Authentic Taoist Immortal

In 1988 the documentary Ring of Fire was released to great acclaim. The most startling sequence in the film is that of a Chinese-Javanese acupuncturist who demonstrates his full mastery of the phenomenon of chi, or bio-energy, by generating an electrical current within his body, which he uses first to heal the filmmaker of an eye infection and then to set a newspaper on fire with his hand. Ring of Fire caused thousands to seek out this individual, John Chang, in pursuit of instruction. Of the many Westerners who have approached him, John Chang has accepted five as apprentices. Kosta Danaos is the second of those five.

In his years of study with John Chang, Danaos has witnessed and experienced pyrokinesis, telekinesis, levitation, telepathy, and much more exotic phenomena. He has spoken with spirits and learned the secrets of reincarnation. Most important, he has learned John Chang's story. John Chang is the direct heir to the lineage of the sixth-century b.c. sage Mo-Tzu, who was Confucius's greatest rival. His discipline, called the Mo-Pai, is little-known in the West and has never before been the subject of a book. Now, John Chang has decided to bridge the gap between East and West by allowing a book to be published revealing the story of his life, his teachings, and his powers. It will surely expedite what may well become the greatest revolution of the twenty-first century--the verification and study of bio-energy.

John Changs 1st Westerner

[Mattshark]

is your man............ one of his students Kosta Danaos.... has written The Magus of Java: Teachings of an Authentic Taoist Immortal

In 1988 the documentary Ring of Fire was released to great acclaim. The most startling sequence in the film is that of a Chinese-Javanese acupuncturist who demonstrates his full mastery of the phenomenon of chi, or bio-energy, by generating an electrical current within his body, which he uses first to heal the filmmaker of an eye infection and then to set a newspaper on fire with his hand. Ring of Fire caused thousands to seek out this individual, John Chang, in pursuit of instruction. Of the many Westerners who have approached him, John Chang has accepted five as apprentices. Kosta Danaos is the second of those five.

In his years of study with John Chang, Danaos has witnessed and experienced pyrokinesis, telekinesis, levitation, telepathy, and much more exotic phenomena. He has spoken with spirits and learned the secrets of reincarnation. Most important, he has learned John Chang's story. John Chang is the direct heir to the lineage of the sixth-century b.c. sage Mo-Tzu, who was Confucius's greatest rival. His discipline, called the Mo-Pai, is little-known in the West and has never before been the subject of a book. Now, John Chang has decided to bridge the gap between East and West by allowing a book to be published revealing the story of his life, his teachings, and his powers. It will surely expedite what may well become the greatest revolution of the twenty-first century--the verification and study of bio-energy.

John Changs 1st Westerner

Chang: Old UM thread.

[insanemind]

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99800.htm

Why the electricity in your body is different then electricity in wires.

Just so you might understand why "your body produces electricity in your body" has nothing to do with electrokinesis.

How ever I challenge someone to provide a link that states how many volts and/or amps the body produces since I either cant find a defent answer or Im just to lazy to search every inch of the web for it.

[Synthetic Anathema]

I'm sorry, but there is no way you can control lightning or make the lights in your apartment go off. It is impossible. Care to back your claims up with proof? Electrokinesis does not exist, care to back it up with scientific proof?

OK - scientific proof. It's what a lot of people want when it comes to "supernatural" phenomena but it's not the end all if there isn't any. Take the Bermunda Triangle for instance. Back in the 1800's when ships were disappearing the scientific community coudn't explain it - now there is evidence as to why a ship will sink when it's in that area. It has to do with the methane hydrates that are released from marine life and the resulting bubbles decrease the density of the water and *poof* your boat is lying on the bottom of the ocean. Who's to say that we're at the point in time where there isn't any proof yet? How do you know that there won't be a perfectly good explanation behind everything this site is discussing in 50 years? Just because the scientific community can't explain something doesn't mean that you should disregard it as being "fake" or all the people who claim to be able to do ---kinesis are "frauds". Sure scientific proof can give a definitive "yes ---kinesis is real" and I agree that it can prove a point (to a degree) - but you shouldn't base all of your beliefs and arguments on science. I don't want to sound like I know everything but I do think that people need to give something a chance before they dismiss it as being "fake". The people who have an open mind are the ones that have the greatest discoveries.

[Mattshark]

OK - scientific proof. It's what a lot of people want when it comes to "supernatural" phenomena but it's not the end all if there isn't any. Take the Bermunda Triangle for instance. Back in the 1800's when ships were disappearing the scientific community coudn't explain it - now there is evidence as to why a ship will sink when it's in that area. It has to do with the methane hydrates that are released from marine life and the resulting bubbles decrease the density of the water and *poof* your boat is lying on the bottom of the ocean. Who's to say that we're at the point in time where there isn't any proof yet? How do you know that there won't be a perfectly good explanation behind everything this site is discussing in 50 years? Just because the scientific community can't explain something doesn't mean that you should disregard it as being "fake" or all the people who claim to be able to do ---kinesis are "frauds". Sure scientific proof can give a definitive "yes ---kinesis is real" and I agree that it can prove a point (to a degree) - but you shouldn't base all of your beliefs and arguments on science. I don't want to sound like I know everything but I do think that people need to give something a chance before they dismiss it as being "fake". The people who have an open mind are the ones that have the greatest discoveries.

There is 0 recognition of the Bermuda Triangle mate, there is no higher instance of disappearances there.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

okay so ive brought this topic because one im uber interested in it and two i wanted some help. okay so electrokinesis... alright so i completeley believe in it and i can do a bit my self bit myself but i was woondering if anyone has actually mastered this and is able to manipuate thier electricity and what happens. meaning can you make an aura surrounding your self of electricity, can you serously shock poeple on will i wanna know. cause like ive been practicing when ever i have spare time for a little under a year and all i can do is shock poeple, turn out lights and **** up phone reseption. no joke. and if anyone can do anything can u plz give me some tips. and if you dont could poeple give me some advice on how to meditate better.like especially for chi absorbing/energy absorbing kk cool

To put it simply I would be lying if I said I believed you did all these things.

Judging by the structure, grammar and poor English in your post I would say that you are 13 years old or younger and that this post is simply an attention grabber.... This is just my opinion though.

[Meiliken]

OK - scientific proof. It's what a lot of people want when it comes to "supernatural" phenomena but it's not the end all if there isn't any. Take the Bermunda Triangle for instance. Back in the 1800's when ships were disappearing the scientific community coudn't explain it - now there is evidence as to why a ship will sink when it's in that area. It has to do with the methane hydrates that are released from marine life and the resulting bubbles decrease the density of the water and *poof* your boat is lying on the bottom of the ocean. Who's to say that we're at the point in time where there isn't any proof yet? How do you know that there won't be a perfectly good explanation behind everything this site is discussing in 50 years? Just because the scientific community can't explain something doesn't mean that you should disregard it as being "fake" or all the people who claim to be able to do ---kinesis are "frauds". Sure scientific proof can give a definitive "yes ---kinesis is real" and I agree that it can prove a point (to a degree) - but you shouldn't base all of your beliefs and arguments on science. I don't want to sound like I know everything but I do think that people need to give something a chance before they dismiss it as being "fake". The people who have an open mind are the ones that have the greatest discoveries.

Having an open mind doesn't mean one should jump on the bandwagon for flights of fancy. A biased person does that. A skeptic person never ceases questioning. That's why science is such a useful tool. It gives us the ability to test hypotheses in a no nonsense manner that takes nothing for granted. When looked at from all sides of a problem, if a particular side fails, then the process mst be started over again. If science fails to find a way, jumping to something that isn't proven is no better than a biased person that refuses logic.

btw

Mattshark said it right. There is no more vanishings in the Bermuda Triangle than anywhere else in the ocean. The ocean is big, deep, and prone to violent storms. Not hard to figure out that it causes ships and planes everywhere to vanish frequently. When we go drudging the ocean floor, I guarantee, we'll find them all rusting way.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Street lights work off of timers and have sensors for how much light there is around the sensor. That's all they're controlled by.

I have no choice but to differ with you on Quantum Physics. It has nothing to do with psychic abilities. I'm a Quantum Physicist, so I have no choice but to say no.

With that in mind, everything you've said will have to be backed up with proof or some kind of scientific analysis. Otherwise it comes off and personal bias.

Really? I thought you were going to a technical school for game design? Why do you say things like this knowing full well that it isn't true?

I call shenanigans... again. lol.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

Really? I thought you were going to a technical school for game design? Why do you say things like this knowing full well that it isn't true?

I call shenanigans... again. lol.

Well if this isn't some major pwnage I don't know what is. lmao

Why the electricity in your body is different then electricity in wires.

Just so you might understand why "your body produces electricity in your body" has nothing to do with electrokinesis.

How ever I challenge someone to provide a link that states how many volts and/or amps the body produces since I either cant find a defent answer or Im just to lazy to search every inch of the web for it.

This is a good question to which I believe there is no set answer because it like everything else related to the human body varies from one person to the next.

What I can say though is that I can guarantee with 100% certainty that it's not enough to remotely turn out street lights etc. Even if it did the body does not project electricity like this, the closest anyone will get to EK is rubbing your feet on the carpet and shocking someone.

[aquatus1]

The human nervous system is not electrical, but rather electrochemical. Because of that, one cannot think of nerves as wires that conduct electricity. The process is actually almost mechanical. Na and K ions are shuttled into and out of neurons, creating an imbalance due to the negative and positive charge of the ions. When the imbalance is at about 70 milliamps, the neuron fires, sending it's signal to the next neuron, which repeats the process.

Now, 70 milliamps is tiny (remember, we are talking about ions here), and even while there are 100 billion of the little suckers packed into your brain, they are tiny as well. If every one of your neurons fired off all at once (effectively leaving you a vegetable), you would only produce a charge of about 2-3 volts, and only for an instant at that.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

The human nervous system is not electrical, but rather electrochemical. Because of that, one cannot think of nerves as wires that conduct electricity. The process is actually almost mechanical. Na and K ions are shuttled into and out of neurons, creating an imbalance due to the negative and positive charge of the ions. When the imbalance is at about 70 milliamps, the neuron fires, sending it's signal to the next neuron, which repeats the process.

Now, 70 milliamps is tiny (remember, we are talking about ions here), and even while there are 100 billion of the little suckers packed into your brain, they are tiny as well. If every one of your neurons fired off all at once (effectively leaving you a vegetable), you would only produce a charge of about 2-3 volts, and only for an instant at that.

It's not just the nervous system that produces electricity...

Friction within the body as well also produces electricity for example the friction created by you blood flowing through you circulatory system... However the amount of power generated this way is so minute it wasn't really worth the mention lol.

[tabou]

Electrokinesis is possible.

when you think about it, anything is possible, everyone said that Einstein was an idiot for believing in making electricity, and now we have computers, television and cellphones to prove its not impossible.

You can do anything you put your mind to.

And all the skeptics can shove it where the sun doesn't shine because they have no proof that its not real. None of us are liars in here.

The believers can never convince the non-believers about kinesis, or psychics in the world because they are too straight minded to comprehend the possibilites of mind over matter. Even if we do prove that we're kinetic in some way, whether we can move objects, change time, set things on fire with only our mind, or even messing with electrons, skeptics are all scared of the things that we can do. Its like trying to convince a catholic to go muslim, they won't change. I quit fighting skeptics on subjects like this because its total nonsense, YES I can do electrokinesis, NO I do not expect everyone to believe, or accept the fact that I am different. We aren't freaks, abnormal, or liars, we are people that are born with a gift, or we develop a gift from practice.

We (electrokinetic) cannot convince absolutely everyone that we exist in their community, there is always going to be another skeptic somewhere in the world, and we can't stop that. They have their beliefs, we have ours, and we BOTH have to accept our differences and respect that we aren't made to be the exact same as eachother.

I respect all your flaws, I expect that you respect mine as well.

[tabou]

okay so ive brought this topic because one im uber interested in it and two i wanted some help. okay so electrokinesis... alright so i completeley believe in it and i can do a bit my self bit myself but i was woondering if anyone has actually mastered this and is able to manipuate thier electricity and what happens. meaning can you make an aura surrounding your self of electricity, can you serously shock poeple on will i wanna know. cause like ive been practicing when ever i have spare time for a little under a year and all i can do is shock poeple, turn out lights and **** up phone reseption. no joke. and if anyone can do anything can u plz give me some tips. and if you dont could poeple give me some advice on how to meditate better.like especially for chi absorbing/energy absorbing kk cool <img src="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="thumbsup.gif" />

It works best when your laying down ready to go to bed. Just close your eyes and visualize lightening and cracking noises of electricity and focus those images. (I personnally find it easier if I listen to thunderstorms, rain, or static.) After a few minutes your arms (That aren't at a position that can cut off bloodflow) will tingle and you will feel sparks after a few minutes. Then when your confident that its working, bring your hands up, and look between your fingers, there should be a line between each finger that looks like a line from a pencil. You can touch your fingertips on eachother to try to make it shock you, it should feel like needle pricking your fingertips.