Moon Monkey 28 #251 Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) The UN Paritian Plan of 1948 was not recognized by the surrounding Arab countries. The plan was not recognized by the surrounding arab countries. The plan was not recognized by the surrounding arab countries. The plan was not recognized by the surrounding arab countries. The plan was not recognized by the surrounding arab countries. The plan was not recognized by the surrounding arab countries. ************************ HOW DIFFICULT IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND???????? ************************ The turks were forced to recognise the plan to create those arab countries from land they lost in a war. The turks recognise Israel. What on earth has it got to do with artificial 'arab' countries if an artificial partition of a 'jewish' country and another 'arab' country is made. The arabs got 90% of a partitioned turkish province, the jews got 10% if that. Why is 1948 so interesting to you ?...is it possibly because it is the only few weeks in the whole history of the region from which you can make a debate. Edited December 30, 2008 by Moon Monkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #252 Posted December 30, 2008 So what? You keep saying that as though it meant something. Not only was Israel not recognized by the surrounding Arab countries, but those countries took it a step further and tried to destroy Israel and kill all the Israelis. They were then, and remain now, unable to do so, which is why there is an Israel today. Whoooow there. So you mean i can camp in your backyard, because my friends said i could. So you cant say anything and that's just to bad? Sorry bad that's just silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexG 2 #253 Posted December 30, 2008 Whoooow there. So you mean i can camp in your backyard, because my friends said i could. So you cant say anything and that's just to bad? Sorry bad that's just silly. I mean you're already living in a building that's owned by someone else, and every other apartment is empty, and the owner of the building says he's giving half the building to you and half to some new guy you don't like. You decide you want the whole building, so you keep trying to kill the new guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
questionmark 11,371 #254 Posted December 30, 2008 Whoooow there. So you mean i can camp in your backyard, because my friends said i could. So you cant say anything and that's just to bad? Sorry bad that's just silly. The question was never about anybody camping in anybodies backyard, the question is whose backyard it was to start with. The Jews were already there and they were a majority along the '48 division line. That is the part always conveniently omitted by the Arabs. Now, that the aforesaid majority had not been in the country any longer than 10 years is the part conveniently omitted by the Israelis... Along classical democratic rules the UN decided that the will of the majority, namely an independent state, was the way forward. Nothing more and nothing less than what happened in former Yugoslavia some years back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #255 Posted December 30, 2008 I mean you're already living in a building that's owned by someone else, and every other apartment is empty, and the owner of the building says he's giving half the building to you and half to some new guy you don't like. You decide you want the whole building, so you keep trying to kill the new guy. Who is owning the building in your case?? The arabs rejected the plan to form a Israel country in Palestine, both the arabs already living in the region and the surrounding countries. So it is nothing like you said. For me its sounds like the apartments are already full, and the new guy with his family gets half the apartments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President-Elect Acidhead 12,544 #256 Posted December 30, 2008 Who is owning the building in your case?? The arabs rejected the plan to form a Israel country in Palestine, both the arabs already living in the region and the surrounding countries. So it is nothing like you said. For me its sounds like the apartments are already full, and the new guy with his family gets half the apartments I agree. Today's Israeli sympathizers turn a blind eye to what is right and what is wrong. Its a narrow one way street to them and if your truck is bigger than the smaller car can wait until its safe to pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
President-Elect Acidhead 12,544 #257 Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) The news is reporting Israel warships rammed a 60 foot long vessel carrying peace keepers, journalists(cnn) and 3 tons of medical supplies. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12...boat/index.html Who's the enemy? Edited December 30, 2008 by acidhead43 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ufo Believer 1 #258 Posted December 30, 2008 Good. The only reason this is good is because Gaza Strip has a bunch of Terrorist running the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexG 2 #259 Posted December 30, 2008 Who is owning the building in your case?? The Brits owned the building, after getting the deed from the previous owner, the Ottoman Empire. The arabs rejected the plan to form a Israel country in Palestine, both the arabs already living in the region and the surrounding countries. Right. That's been said before, and my reply was essentially, tough. The Arabs did not have veto power over the plan. Nor did they have sovereignty over the area. The British did. If the Arabs had accepted the plan, instead of trying to destroy Israel, 60 years of misery would have been averted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #260 Posted December 30, 2008 The question was never about anybody camping in anybodies backyard, the question is whose backyard it was to start with. The Jews were already there and they were a majority along the '48 division line. That is the part always conveniently omitted by the Arabs. Now, that the aforesaid majority had not been in the country any longer than 10 years is the part conveniently omitted by the Israelis... Along classical democratic rules the UN decided that the will of the majority, namely an independent state, was the way forward. Nothing more and nothing less than what happened in former Yugoslavia some years back. Well, the jewish population up to 1940 was only 450.000. And after that the British made it illegal to migrate to Palestine. Only 75.000 Jews in five years, thats how many were allowed into Palestine. But this didn't help as aprox. 150.000 ignored this, and crossed into Palestine illegally, so by the time the 48' division line was formed, many Jews were there illegally. No? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
questionmark 11,371 #261 Posted December 30, 2008 Well, the jewish population up to 1940 was only 450.000. And after that the British made it illegal to migrate to Palestine. Only 75.000 Jews in five years, thats how many were allowed into Palestine. But this didn't help as aprox. 150.000 ignored this, and crossed into Palestine illegally, so by the time the 48' division line was formed, many Jews were there illegally. No? The British did not see it that way in '48, and it was their land at the time to divide as they saw fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexG 2 #262 Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) 150.000 ignored this, and crossed into Palestine illegally, so by the time the 48' division line was formed, many Jews were there illegally. A status which was made legal by Britain and the UN. Edited December 30, 2008 by AlexG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #263 Posted December 30, 2008 Good. The only reason this is good is because Gaza Strip has a bunch of Terrorist running the country. Yes but why does that have to go out on the civilians, who have done nothing wrong? Yes the terrorist should be taken care of, but not at the cost of civilian lives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ufo Believer 1 #264 Posted December 30, 2008 The civilans could have left but didn't. It's their own fault anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #265 Posted December 30, 2008 The civilans could have left but didn't. It's their own fault anyway. Left their homes? where would they go? To Israel perhaps? I am not defending the terrorists here, only the civilians, the innocent who are caught in the crossfire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
odas 3,629 #266 Posted December 30, 2008 The civilans could have left but didn't. It's their own fault anyway. According to your nonsense Jews could have left Nazi Germany so it is their fault holocoust happened, ehh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ufo Believer 1 #267 Posted December 30, 2008 No, I am not saying that. What I meant was that the civilans probaly voted the terrorist in so they get what they deserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #268 Posted December 30, 2008 The British did not see it that way in '48, and it was their land at the time to divide as they saw fit. Well that may be. Im not trying to debate historical fact, but to debate if the Palestinians have a right to be upset by the way they are treated and the way Israel is dealing with the issue. I do accept an Israel state and their right to be where they are. But the way they are protecting them self, for me is not acceptable. And the reason why i mention the Israeli illegal immigrants is to show that the arabs have a right to feel pushed around, both by the Brits and the Israelis. I would imagine it similar to the way Americans see the Illegal immigration by the Mexicans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
questionmark 11,371 #269 Posted December 30, 2008 Well that may be. Im not trying to debate historical fact, but to debate if the Palestinians have a right to be upset by the way they are treated and the way Israel is dealing with the issue. I do accept an Israel state and their right to be where they are. But the way they are protecting them self, for me is not acceptable. And the reason why i mention the Israeli illegal immigrants is to show that the arabs have a right to feel pushed around, both by the Brits and the Israelis. I would imagine it similar to the way Americans see the Illegal immigration by the Mexicans. The point is that there are no innocent parties in this conflict, the one side has just as much blood on their hands as the other. And no matter what the Israelis say: this is not about a few waterpipes filled with black powder, this is about elections around the corner. What Hamas should do, if they survive this one, is fire Ismail Hania for giving Israel the excuse to attack by rescinding the cease-fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
odas 3,629 #270 Posted December 30, 2008 The point is that there are no innocent parties in this conflict, the one side has just as much blood on their hands as the other. And no matter what the Israelis say: this is not about a few waterpipes filled with black powder, this is about elections around the corner. What Hamas should do, if they survive this one, is fire Ismail Hania for giving Israel the excuse to attack by rescinding the cease-fire. You are right, as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iblis 0 #271 Posted December 30, 2008 The point is that there are no innocent parties in this conflict, the one side has just as much blood on their hands as the other. And no matter what the Israelis say: this is not about a few waterpipes filled with black powder, this is about elections around the corner. What Hamas should do, if they survive this one, is fire Ismail Hania for giving Israel the excuse to attack by rescinding the cease-fire. Yes that is true, both sides have blood on their hands. The only ones that are getting it hard, is the civilians on both sides, but Palestinians by far, worst. I cant understand why they keep putting up with Hamas. My first thought would be that they are too afraid of them to cross them. I hope that efter these attacks that they open their eyes and start seeing Hamas for what they really are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ufo Believer 1 #272 Posted December 31, 2008 I think the reason is because the terrorist have weapons. The people of Palestine didn't know what they were getting into when they voted Hamas in. They didn't see this escolation coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ninjadude 1,043 #273 Posted December 31, 2008 I think the reason is because the terrorist have weapons. The people of Palestine didn't know what they were getting into when they voted Hamas in. They didn't see this escolation coming. You're probably one that supports the supposed right to carry in the US as well.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ninjadude 1,043 #274 Posted December 31, 2008 The British did not see it that way in '48, and it was their land at the time to divide as they saw fit. An interesting observation. Does this make the whole mess the fault of the Brits? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ufo Believer 1 #275 Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) If you mean weapons...hell yeah. Edited December 31, 2008 by Ufo Believer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
