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MissMelsWell

Poor decisions can anyone make, though most people are not hung on a cross and stoned because of it.

And if you've read all around this, are there some links that perhaps is never posted on here then? Because I sure have not seen anything that justify the act of the government until now.

People make poor decisions ALL the time... When you make a poor decision what do you do? Hopefully you take responsibility for it. Especially when you DELIBERATELY make that poor decision as these parents did. Can I assume you never take responsibility for your bad choices? Or are you going to claim that you never make bad decisions?

For example, there are no public nudity laws in my city. However, you don't see me (or others) walking around town in the buff. Why? Because that would be a poor decision. While it's not illegal, it could be misinterpreted. Which, could wind me up in the clink until the authorities figured out WHY I was streaking around in my birthday suit. And, if I had children of a certain age, I could expect that perhaps they could be taken into custody until they figured out why I was parading around naked. It's not illegal, but it's not a good choice either and I know it , so I'd have to take responsibility for that choice eventually.

If it was found that I was indeed doing nothing wrong, I'd get released, get my kids back and the city would probably make some public nudity laws. If I wasn't completely innocent and was trying to titilate people on the street (which is illegal falling under that lewd and lacivious law) then well, I'd have to take responsibility for that.

IT's really no different in this case. They're protecting those kids until they know they don't have to.

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MissMelsWell

Oh and I think I want my position to be MORE clear here. So I'm gonna add more.

Above, I used a very real example of how something perfectly legal can go wrong and has to be given a second look at by authorities.

Personally, I LOVE that my city has no public nudity laws. I think that's great, because I think there's nothing wrong with public nudityt IF there's no malicious intent behind it. We actually have a nudists bicycle race every summer (most choose to body paint, but they ain't wearin' nuttin' but paint in most cases).... I love that race and parade, it's awesome. BUT, it has a time and place and it's presented in a way that's respectful to the community. No one complains except a few blow hards everyone ignores. If anyone EVER disrespects the fact that we have no law here, we could find that there will be laws made against public nudity, which could affect the parade we love, theater, strip clubs, etc... that wouldn't be a good thing.

I DON'T think it should be illegal to name your kid something utterly STUPID. I want all people in this country to have their freedom and rights as according to law. But there are ALWAYS gray areas in laws (thank god) and those gray areas have to be managed in a way that doesn't subervert EVERYONE'S rights. In this case, if these people are found to be just stupid and not racists with malicious and illegal intents, then by all means give those poor kids back to those uber stupid people. BUT, I don't think the investigators know if those parent's are just stupid, or dangerous yet. They made the stupid move, they'll have to suffer the consequences of their stupid move until it can be sorted out.

If anyone makes any law in this country regarding what you can and cannot name your children, then you can blame those freaks who named their kids Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nation... really, you can blame them, it will be their fault because they failed to exercise good judgement.

And, Jesus wasn't the first or last person ever with that name... at one time, it was probably the 4th most common name in the world. It's still extremely common as both the spanish and hebrew version of the name Joshua... it's just a name...not always associated with "the" Jesus. Jesus is simply a common name just as Mary is, or John, or David, or Rebbecca, or whatever. They weren't invented for religion, they just are names. However, Aryan Nation only means one thing, and Adolf Hitler only has ONE origin... one is a freak who commited genocide, the other is a group of freaks who'd like to commit genocide. Charming.

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Sthenno

Reading some associated articles, it does seem that the parents were incredibly stupid rather than deliberately malicious. They exhibit that sort of inbuilt racism that makes them think that saying things like "I don't care if he has black friends when he grows up, that's his choice" shows how open minded they are.

Stupid, yes, but not that much worse than kids who name their kids Benson and Hedges and other such nonsense.

Perhaps they could simply be forced to change the names?

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MissMelsWell

Reading some associated articles, it does seem that the parents were incredibly stupid rather than deliberately malicious. They exhibit that sort of inbuilt racism that makes them think that saying things like "I don't care if he has black friends when he grows up, that's his choice" shows how open minded they are.

Stupid, yes, but not that much worse than kids who name their kids Benson and Hedges and other such nonsense.

Perhaps they could simply be forced to change the names?

I don't think that's what's going on... I think if they were just stupid, those kids would have been returned by now. But this appears to be a very involved investigation. It costs BIG dollars to keep kids in the state's custody and CPS workers would MUCH rather get those kids back home than keep them in the system... keeping them in the system only costs money and costs man hours that CPS workers don't have. If there was no reason other than utter innocent stupidity, those kids would be back home. But I don't think that's the case.

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Sthenno

I don't think that's what's going on... I think if they were just stupid, those kids would have been returned by now. But this appears to be a very involved investigation. It costs BIG dollars to keep kids in the state's custody and CPS workers would MUCH rather get those kids back home than keep them in the system... keeping them in the system only costs money and costs man hours that CPS workers don't have. If there was no reason other than utter innocent stupidity, those kids would be back home. But I don't think that's the case.

I've just noticed that the only articles I can find are well over a year old... do we know that these kids are still in custody?

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Set the Fallen

http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2010/04/23/news/doc4bd08d507bb84032671583.txt

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe0_1232589978

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479904,00.html

No way. You can philosophise all you want about how to horrors done in the name of religion are equal to or worse than those done under the Nazi regime, but the point remains that naming your child after a popular religious figure is in no way the same as naming them after a fascist murderer.

It's the intention behind it that's key... I can only think of two reasons why someone would name their child Hitler:

1. they think it's funny

2. they're actually neo-nazis who admire Hitler

In the first scenario, the children should be taken away. A child is not a joke to be used for the amusement of the parents, and anyone who treats a child as such is not fit to be a parent.

In the second scenario, the parents are trying to make a political point through their children because they're too scared to do it themselves. Why not change their own names? Why inflict such an extreme viewpoint on your child?

In my opinion, neither of these two types of people are fit to raise children.

Or 3. theyr just stupid...

Why to not inflict such a name? There are people named it anyways, but the parents though it was the only kid in the world by that name, figures they wanted their own kid to be special like most people do.

People make poor decisions ALL the time... When you make a poor decision what do you do? Hopefully you take responsibility for it. Especially when you DELIBERATELY make that poor decision as these parents did. Can I assume you never take responsibility for your bad choices? Or are you going to claim that you never make bad decisions?

I can't say I do bad decisions on my part no.

No mater what I do I always feel comfort in my own actions because they are my own, and even if it is a mistaking choise it is only a way to learn, so I never do bad decisions. Sometimes I might do something stupid deliberatly to see how others react. No bad decision. ^_^

For example, there are no public nudity laws in my city. However, you don't see me (or others) walking around town in the buff. Why? Because that would be a poor decision. While it's not illegal, it could be misinterpreted. Which, could wind me up in the clink until the authorities figured out WHY I was streaking around in my birthday suit. And, if I had children of a certain age, I could expect that perhaps they could be taken into custody until they figured out why I was parading around naked. It's not illegal, but it's not a good choice either and I know it , so I'd have to take responsibility for that choice eventually.

If it was found that I was indeed doing nothing wrong, I'd get released, get my kids back and the city would probably make some public nudity laws. If I wasn't completely innocent and was trying to titilate people on the street (which is illegal falling under that lewd and lacivious law) then well, I'd have to take responsibility for that.

IT's really no different in this case. They're protecting those kids until they know they don't have to.

... sounds like you guys are porn freeks and hillbillys.

But knowing that only happens in america one can't blame how you grow up to be. There is a difference... kids are more grown up than you can imagin, a 5 year old already knows what sex is, it's not like they are stupid. And trying to protect something will make it uncapabell to deal with the situatsion in the future properly. But I gues the american way means leaving people stupid and destroy everything that is "bad"... :ph34r:

Oh and I think I want my position to be MORE clear here. So I'm gonna add more.

Above, I used a very real example of how something perfectly legal can go wrong and has to be given a second look at by authorities.

Personally, I LOVE that my city has no public nudity laws. I think that's great, because I think there's nothing wrong with public nudityt IF there's no malicious intent behind it. We actually have a nudists bicycle race every summer (most choose to body paint, but they ain't wearin' nuttin' but paint in most cases).... I love that race and parade, it's awesome. BUT, it has a time and place and it's presented in a way that's respectful to the community. No one complains except a few blow hards everyone ignores. If anyone EVER disrespects the fact that we have no law here, we could find that there will be laws made against public nudity, which could affect the parade we love, theater, strip clubs, etc... that wouldn't be a good thing.

No one wanna know about your nudity love kid... ugh... such a hillbilly.

It's a reason such things are unlegal in other countries, porn freek. (just stating what I read)

I DON'T think it should be illegal to name your kid something utterly STUPID. I want all people in this country to have their freedom and rights as according to law. But there are ALWAYS gray areas in laws (thank god) and those gray areas have to be managed in a way that doesn't subervert EVERYONE'S rights. In this case, if these people are found to be just stupid and not racists with malicious and illegal intents, then by all means give those poor kids back to those uber stupid people. BUT, I don't think the investigators know if those parent's are just stupid, or dangerous yet. They made the stupid move, they'll have to suffer the consequences of their stupid move until it can be sorted out.

Finaly back on trak as it is the NAMES of the kids that are issue and not porn city de lux.

So you wish is in other words to do as goverment... allow until they take something because there are unwriten rules. The only stupid move was their complaint of getting a birthday cake with the name adolf hitler on. Before that, there was nothing. You should chek the links I put abow.

There it is clearly shown how people started saying stuff AFTER their kids was taken only a month later after the birthday incident. Then people spit out noncense and there is clear in the movie that there are friends of them that say all of it is nonsense while crying.

If anyone makes any law in this country regarding what you can and cannot name your children, then you can blame those freaks who named their kids Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nation... really, you can blame them, it will be their fault because they failed to exercise good judgement.

And, Jesus wasn't the first or last person ever with that name... at one time, it was probably the 4th most common name in the world. It's still extremely common as both the spanish and hebrew version of the name Joshua... it's just a name...not always associated with "the" Jesus. Jesus is simply a common name just as Mary is, or John, or David, or Rebbecca, or whatever. They weren't invented for religion, they just are names. However, Aryan Nation only means one thing, and Adolf Hitler only has ONE origin... one is a freak who commited genocide, the other is a group of freaks who'd like to commit genocide. Charming.

As it stands now, there is no rule about calling a child Adolf Hitler or Aryan Nation.

Gesses, what I can't understand is how people like you can't see a name for just names. Jesus is a name people get teased for, trown rocks at for, no one like anyone named Jesus. It's the same as naming a kid Hitler, drawing unwanted attention to a child. Believe me.

It's actually worse to name a child "Jesus" because of how other react on it. OH, shocking, not all people are Christian (the world is going under). Gues what? It is not going under, it is just that people react the same way on names be it a "saint" or a "nazi". Unwanted attention.

But I guess you don't know.

Aryan Nation does not mean one thing. There is a fairy tail about a place named that in a book. A magic world, blah, blah. That is all I know. Your Aryan Nation is not nececarily the same (as it appears to be some sort of unknown nazi group), but I only know it's a childrens story from a book.

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MissMelsWell

hahahahah, Uh huh, Seattle is certainly the capital of hillbillies and redneck "freeks" as you so eloquently stated. LOL. But I didn't expect you to understand the concept I was laying out for you either. Should have trusted my better judgement haha.

You're also having a hard time seeing parallels and similarities between the two issues. Do I need to break it down for you again so you're not so horribly confused?

LOL, and where do you live where people named Jesus get teased? LOL. I know at least 5 guys named Jesus, it never struck me as odd because it's an extremely common hispanic name.

There's also a guy on the Texas Rangers (I forget which position, right field maybe) whose last name is DeJesus... last time I checked, the only stuff being thrown at him is a 96mph fast ball.

Adolf as a name in and of itself is fine. like I stated before, I have an uncle named Adolf, he's a doll, and he's called Dolf for short often. However, if you name your kid Adolf Hitler, expect backlash. That's just reality darlin'... if you can't see reality, then I can't help you.

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OldTimeRadio

Set, what I wrote is that "I regard...."

One of the most precious things about this country is that we're allowed to hold differing opinions. So help me, we're even allowed to express views that other people regard as erroneous.

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OldTimeRadio

"Hitler" is a rather uncommon variant of one of the most common Austrian and German names. Other versions include Hiedler, Heidler, Hetler, Hettler and Hittler.

I myself had a maternal Great-Great-Grandfather Heidler. The name is pronounced "Hitler."

(All that most likely means is that Adolf Hitler and I, along with millions of other individuals of Northern European descent, shared a common ancestor 800 or 900 years ago.)

By the way, the police chief in my small Northern Kentucky home town during my childhood in the 1940s and 1950s had the first name Adolph (Dolph for short). And he was of Irish descent, not German.

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Rosewin

Well, if a neighbor is saying that the guy is abusing the kids...well that is how a lot of these cases start. The neighbors are close enough, and around enough to see when bad things happen, so they are the ones who make a lot of the reports. Have to wait and see if they can back it up elsewhere, or with the kids themselves, otherwise little adolph is going to end up going back to the idiot nazi fan.

Personally I think if you are so stupid as to name your child adolph hitler, that should be an insta-red flag to losing your kids. You want to be a fan of one of the evilest men of all time; knock yourself out. You want to name you kid after him and get the beatup and treated poorly on a regular basis for the rest of his life ASSURING him a poor quality of life? sorry you are too stupid to be a parent. Adoptive parents here we come...

Supposedly the children's parents are full of hate but it is really those who would beatup others for their chosen names that are the ones who are actually full of hate. Calling them names makes one really no better than them either.

All I can say is girlfriend needs a little lipstick & blush and her & her hubby could use a good hair washing an thorough brushing. If their home inside looked anything like these 2 unkempt slobs no wonder they took the kids.

Neither one of these parents look too blonde, tall & muscular/athletic to me, more like geeky & dumpy, mousy haired, pasty Caucasians with little or no self direction in life (followers, like anyone who gets tangled up in any gang lifestyle).

Some people should not be allowed to spawn.

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Agree w/ <b>FluffyBunny</b>'s quote above as well.

The Nazis also wanted a say in who had children and who did not. Not sure what their fashion sense or physical attributes such as their skin or body frame really have anything to do with this.

Gez... how lame.

So it is really a name that is evil? Hitler was sick, why blame the name? Who care what they name their child, it's not like the past will decided the future. Gawd. Really, people are so "overpowered" by their own damn power. It's because of such injustice they named the kids those name, to show the world that the future is different. People are really stupid.

I hope they get their kids back, because the only "wrong" they have done the children is naming them those names, and it is hardly justice to steal children because of this.

Indeed.

It is also very narcissistic of their parents to choose such names. It is more narcissistic of society to commit the greater offense of taking children away from their parents and placing them in a stranger's home. If there were actual illegal activity involved that would have earned the parents an arrest and been in the media. The fact that this did not happen leads me to conclude this was the politically correct (which is not that correct) action of an overzealous bureaucrat in child welfare services. If this was merely done to protect them from those threatening the family, then to remove children is not the proper response, investigating those haters who had threatened the family would have been.

The bottom line is people are just hypocrites willing to point out the parents out for being full of hate when all the hate that I see is actually coming from others. This has nothing to do with the nazi-hate of the parents but is just another example of how normal people can hate others whose political sentiments differ to the point of taking their children away. It is not the Nazi parents whom I fear but these so-called normal people who do not strike me as being any better.

I fully expect the children to be back in their home soon. It is so sad that the system fails in so many states when it comes to protecting children who are actually in abusive situations but even sadder when it fails in this way, by taking children away from their parents because society does not agree with the parent's views. For that reason it reminds me of the FLDS (Mormon) case in Texas not so long ago and the favorable outcome of having the children returned to their parents. While I agree that child protection services should be able to remove children they even suspect are at risk, I disagree in their ability of keeping children away from their parents so long, they need to expedite these things above all others. Foster care is not the best place for children either, being with their parents is.

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Set the Fallen

hahahahah, Uh huh, Seattle is certainly the capital of hillbillies and redneck "freeks" as you so eloquently stated. LOL. But I didn't expect you to understand the concept I was laying out for you either. Should have trusted my better judgement haha.

You're also having a hard time seeing parallels and similarities between the two issues. Do I need to break it down for you again so you're not so horribly confused?

LOL, and where do you live where people named Jesus get teased? LOL. I know at least 5 guys named Jesus, it never struck me as odd because it's an extremely common hispanic name.

There's also a guy on the Texas Rangers (I forget which position, right field maybe) whose last name is DeJesus... last time I checked, the only stuff being thrown at him is a 96mph fast ball.

Adolf as a name in and of itself is fine. like I stated before, I have an uncle named Adolf, he's a doll, and he's called Dolf for short often. However, if you name your kid Adolf Hitler, expect backlash. That's just reality darlin'... if you can't see reality, then I can't help you.

I understood your point, though I just want to point out, it is not the same.

Names and actions are two completly different things, that is why I say it is irelevant. Do I need to put it clearer than this?

In norway kids gang up at kids named Jesus, also it is not uncommon in other countries. Kids react at silly names like Jesus or other, and also unwanted attention is just the same with "saints" as "bad guys".

In norway, kids named jesus are bulied, and believe me it is true.

If you have even a J in your first name you can be bullied. It is true... heh...

Set, what I wrote is that "I regard...."

One of the most precious things about this country is that we're allowed to hold differing opinions. So help me, we're even allowed to express views that other people regard as erroneous.

I'm just to forward sometimes.

I just said what was on my mind, and I think it is so that people should not say things without regards.

Indeed.

It is also very narcissistic of their parents to choose such names. It is more narcissistic of society to commit the greater offense of taking children away from their parents and placing them in a stranger's home. If there were actual illegal activity involved that would have earned the parents an arrest and been in the media. The fact that this did not happen leads me to conclude this was the politically correct (which is not that correct) action of an overzealous bureaucrat in child welfare services. If this was merely done to protect them from those threatening the family, then to remove children is not the proper response, investigating those haters who had threatened the family would have been.

I agree... it sound a little to far fetched in my ears to.

I know the names are question able to and the minds of the parents might be a little of those that think highly of such things as nazists, it was only the names perhaps they favored for all we know. The cildren is abducted as it stands now only because of their names most likely. The danger of the threateners could have been dealt with by police or someone, I've never before heard of people losing childrens because they are threatened.

The bottom line is people are just hypocrites willing to point out the parents out for being full of hate when all the hate that I see is actually coming from others. This has nothing to do with the nazi-hate of the parents but is just another example of how normal people can hate others whose political sentiments differ to the point of taking their children away. It is not the Nazi parents whom I fear but these so-called normal people who do not strike me as being any better.

True, people are to high on themself and the power they have.

Even though it is peacfull mostly, it does not mean goverment can do whatever they want when they see it fit.

I fully expect the children to be back in their home soon. It is so sad that the system fails in so many states when it comes to protecting children who are actually in abusive situations but even sadder when it fails in this way, by taking children away from their parents because society does not agree with the parent's views. For that reason it reminds me of the FLDS (Mormon) case in Texas not so long ago and the favorable outcome of having the children returned to their parents. While I agree that child protection services should be able to remove children they even suspect are at risk, I disagree in their ability of keeping children away from their parents so long, they need to expedite these things above all others. Foster care is not the best place for children either, being with their parents is.

I hope they get home soon to.

Being where they are, already a year has passed, someone must do something. It is not right, their parents seem like kind people and have done nothing wrong except naming them. This is what makes people threaten them. People should not be so shallow. :ph34r:

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cluey

I wanted to name my kid James Tiberius, I even wrote it on the birth certificate, but in Illinois the mother has final say on the name, she changed it and yelled at me. disgust.gif

I have mixed feelings about this, I agree Hitler was a nuttjob, badguy. I agree naming your kid after him is a bad thing to do, BUT the state can take your child because THEYdont like the name? Isn't that what Hitler's government represented?

Exactly!!!!.....the state and the parents should be given a good talking too........but i guess their argument will be..*it's our constitutional right to name our kids as we please*!!!!!

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MissMelsWell

Exactly!!!!.....the state and the parents should be given a good talking too........but i guess their argument will be..*it's our constitutional right to name our kids as we please*!!!!!

The problem isn't JUST their names, technically, there's no law against that. There's something ELSE going on here that's not on the up and up and it can't be reported on for privacy reasons. Otherwise, the kid would be home by now like they were in the FDLS case.

IF on the rare chance their names are ALL that's wrong, then then the parents will get the kids back and rest assured when they do get them back, there WILL be a law made that mandates what you can and can't name your kids. Aren't you glad these parents are taking away your rights?

Pfffft.

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cluey

The problem isn't JUST their names, technically, there's no law against that. There's something ELSE going on here that's not on the up and up and it can't be reported on for privacy reasons. Otherwise, the kid would be home by now like they were in the FDLS case.

IF on the rare chance their names are ALL that's wrong, then then the parents will get the kids back and rest assured when they do get them back, there WILL be a law made that mandates what you can and can't name your kids. Aren't you glad these parents are taking away your rights?

Pfffft.

Chill out!!!!!!.......why you Pfffting me for anyway???????...................see an ounce of give a damnn in these eyes????........i really don't care what they call their kids,lol....................am i supposed to be glad some how that they aren't taking away my rights.........you have an issue with this.....and it's not me you should be telling... :)

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MissMelsWell

Actually, I'm perfectly calm. See? No extra elipses, exclamation points or a plethora of questionmarks.

I think an appropriate response could have been... "did you mean to quote me?" in which case my answer would have been "ooops, no I didn't... UM isn't the only forum I participate in and another one I use has a reply button that looks like the quote button (labled reply--bad UI) on this site, rather than being a dark blue button at the bottom of the page."

And, because the edit area is so narrow, I can't always see the quoted selection in the reply.

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Actually, I'm perfectly calm. See? No extra elipses, exclamation points or a plethora of questionmarks.

I think an appropriate response could have been... "did you mean to quote me?" in which case my answer would have been "ooops, no I didn't... UM isn't the only forum I participate in and another one I use has a reply button that looks like the quote button (labled reply--bad UI) on this site, rather than being a dark blue button at the bottom of the page."

And, because the edit area is so narrow, I can't always see the quoted selection in the reply.

:lol:...........SEE...i was right!!!!!!!!!!!

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Michelle

Update

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/heath-and-deborah-campbell-parents-who-gave-kids-nazi-names-denied-custody/19583725

AOL News (Aug. 6) -- The New Jersey parents who gave their children names with Nazi themes have a history of domestic violence and should not regain custody of their children, a state appeals court has ruled.

The parents, Heath and Deborah Campbell of Holland Township, N.J., have not "received adequate treatment for their serious psychological conditions" and pose a threat to their three children, according to court documents, The Associated Press reported.

Heath Campbell, left, with his wife, Deborah, and son Adolf Hitler Campbell, 3. A New Jersey appeals court has ruled the Campbells should not regain custody of their three children after the state Division of Youth Family Services removed them from their home in January 2009 for unspecified reasons.In a 49-page ruling released Thursday, the Superior Court of New Jersey Appellate Division said Adolf Hitler Campbell, 4, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell, 3, and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, 2, are better off in foster care, where the children were placed in January 2009. The decision overturns a ruling by a lower court that found there was not sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect to put the children in state custody.

The family attracted attention in late 2008 when a New Jersey grocery store said it refused to decorate the eldest son's birthday cake with his name, "Adolf Hitler." But the unusual names were not mentioned in court documents, according to multiple reports. Instead, a note Deborah Campbell wrote to her neighbor explaining that she thought her husband might kill her appeared to be at the center of the case.

"If anything may happened to me please do an altops [sic] on me b/c My husband has done something to me," the letter read. "Im afread [sic] that he might hurt my children if they are keeped [sic] in his care."

Neither parent is entirely literate. Deborah Campbell admitted writing the note, but called her husband "the perfect guy" in court, according to a report by ABC.

The ruling cited other concerns as well, including a restraining order from Campbell's ex-wife, who also feared for her life.

"We hold that evidence from the ex-wife was admissible to prove that defendant-father was a risk of harm to his children and that defendant-mother's denials of her husband's history of violence also made her a risk of harm to the children," the decision read, according to a report in The Star-Ledger of New Jersey.

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MissMelsWell

HA! I was right.

AND the kids names didn't even have to come into play in the trial... it was barely mentioned.

The parents are whack jobs.

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Michelle

HA! I was right.

AND the kids names didn't even have to come into play in the trial... it was barely mentioned.

The parents are whack jobs.

You and me both! When people get it in their heads that they are right no amount of reasoning is going to change their minds though. lol Anyone that has dealt with children's services knows that they will leave poor kids where they are with a lot more evidence than what they are named.

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Karlis

Just a few more details on this story.

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First Published : 07 Aug 2010 10:16:45 AM IST

NEW YORK: Three children having names with reference to German Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler should be taken from their parents' custody, a US court has ruled saying they need "protective services".

The Division of Youth and Family Services (DYFS) in New Jersey was right to take the children -- Adolf Hitler Campbell, 4, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell, 3, and Honszlynn Hitler Jeannie Campbell, 2 -- away from their parents, the court said.

A three-judge panel overturned a family court ruling that there was insufficient evidence that the parents had abused or neglected the children and ruled the DYFS "proved the need for protective services" for the children, newjerseynewsroom.com reported.

In Thursday's ruling the judges said the family court decision relied on "an overly narrow view of domestic violence in the context of abuse or neglect of children".

DYFS removed the children in January 2009 from the custody of their unemployed parents, Heath and Deborah Campbell of Holland Township.

The family attracted attention a month earlier, when the father complained that an area supermarket did not put his son's name on a birthday cake.

DYFS investigated after complaints that the children had been strapped into booster seats for prolonged periods in the home, a charge that Deborah Campbell denied.

The judges noted that the situation grew more serious when a neighbour contacted authorities, saying Deborah had passed along a letter saying her husband had threatened "to have me killed or kill me himself".

Both parents suffer psychological and other disabilities and are poorly educated, with Heath illiterate, according to the decision by Judges Anthony Parrillo, Marie Lihotz and Victor Ashrafi. Both parents were abused as children, the judges said.

The ruling also observed that the family court should have considered accusations from one of Heath's previous wives that he abused her and their two children.

Psychologist, Alice Nadelman, said neither parent showed "the psychological capacity... to provide safe and appropriate parental care on their own".

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supervike

The ONLY reason this is even a newstory is because of the stupid names these people gave those poor kids.

Unfortunately, this type of thing happens all the time, and nary a mention of it. Add some 'controversial' names, and bam! You got a newsstory!

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MissMelsWell

The ONLY reason this is even a newstory is because of the stupid names these people gave those poor kids.

Unfortunately, this type of thing happens all the time, and nary a mention of it. Add some 'controversial' names, and bam! You got a newsstory!

It was news because someone recognized that any parent that gives their children NeoNazi names is probably worth looking at. And, when they were looked at, they were found lacking, and it was found the children weren't safe where they were.

Thank God someone cared enough to call CPS and have them looked into.. otherwise we could have been reading about a tragedy murder suicide or worse in this family. Then we'd all be asking ourselves "why didn't anyone have them investigated? Why did everyone ignore the GIANT red flag of a little 3yo boy named Adolph Hitler?"

Rail all you want about being able to name your kid whatever you want... frankly, I don't think weird names are that bad a thing... however, when you choose to name your kids after neo-nazi organizations and mass murders you probably aren't right in the head... and obviously these parents weren't, just like their choices indicated they weren't.

Thank god it resulted in these children being placed in decent foster care where they're presumably safe. It would be nice if they could find some grandparents or other relatives to place the children with, however, given the fact that these kids parents are clearly illiterate, I'm guessing their grandparents or other relatives aren't real literate either. Sometimes foster care is the best solution.

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Siara

Your no god to judge what evil and what is good. :alien:

Actually, I think it's safe to say Hitler was evil. I understand that there is a lot of intellectual hocus pocus going around concerning the ultimate existential meaningless of value judgments but... for Pete's sake... I think it's safe to say that genocide is bad.

These don't sound like fit parents to me (although I'm not a social worker or anything). Using your children as political tools to empower a hate group is dehumanizing to the point of cruelty. Children aren't statements or weapons. If these whack jobs want someone in the family to be named Adolf Hitler the husband should legally change his OWN name to Hitler, not twist his kid's future in society.

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Piney

How come all the stupidest and goofiest Neo-Nazis' live in North Jersey??? :wacko: These people should be sterilized. Racism pssht! Race is a human construct we're all the same species.

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Siara

How come all the stupidest and goofiest Neo-Nazis' live in North Jersey???

Chemical poisoning from the Hudson River?

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