Plainbob13 Posted January 18, 2009 #26 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Yes, the Israelis shot her in cold blood The mystery of innocent children Qthelo They kill to kill only What is the sin committed by genuine Rachel What guilt rendered by Gazan children Of the Palestinian people's right to defend its land and homeland, occupied by Israel 60 years ago When the Jews came from Europe and said that Palestine was their land without prior warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Moon Posted January 18, 2009 Author #27 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Yes, the Israelis shot her in cold blood Such as the killing of the innocent children of Palestine They kill to kill only What is the sin committed by genuine Rachel What guilt rendered by the children of Palestine Of the Palestinian people's right to defend its land and homeland, occupied by Israel 60 years ago When the Jews came from Europe and said that Palestine was their land without prior warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitro1987 Posted January 18, 2009 #28 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Yes, the Israelis shot her in cold blood Such as the killing of the innocent children of Palestine They kill to kill only What is the sin committed by genuine Rachel What guilt rendered by the children of Palestine Of the Palestinian people's right to defend its land and homeland, occupied by Israel 60 years ago When the Jews came from Europe and said that Palestine was their land without prior warning what about Hamas throwing rockets that could land in lets say: an elementary school? As a Muslim, I hope you disapprove of terrorist Hamas as well. nevertheless, that story was very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted January 18, 2009 #29 Share Posted January 18, 2009 what about Hamas throwing rockets that could land in lets say: an elementary school? As a Muslim, I hope you disapprove of terrorist Hamas as well. nevertheless, that story was very sad Very commendable! You as a Muslim can see the hardship going on and acknowledge the hardship. I hope some see your message and see a little hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted January 18, 2009 #30 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) Yes, the Israelis shot her in cold blood Such as the killing of the innocent children of Palestine They kill to kill only What is the sin committed by genuine Rachel What guilt rendered by the children of Palestine Of the Palestinian people's right to defend its land and homeland, occupied by Israel 60 years ago When the Jews came from Europe and said that Palestine was their land without prior warning A person killed her, not a nation. Children are killed on both sides. However the Israelis don't go out of their way to do so. So do many during wars. Likely nothing. Well their parents do teach them to hate Jews and some even hope that they get killed fighting Israeli soldiers. Israel also occupied a good piece of Egyptian territory as well as a lot of Jordan, but gave that territory back once a peace agreement was reached. The Palestinians were on the road of having a good chance of nationhood when Hamas decided to throw their rockets around. Beside Israel didn't have any troops in Gaza or the West Bank. Not much of an occupation. The Zionist movement has been around for a while, but only picked up steam after the Second World War. So there was a possibility that it would happen before the UN created the state of Israel. Edited January 18, 2009 by Corp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 18, 2009 #31 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) Yes, the Israelis shot her in cold blood Such as the killing of the innocent children of Palestine They kill to kill only What is the sin committed by genuine Rachel What guilt rendered by the children of Palestine Of the Palestinian people's right to defend its land and homeland, occupied by Israel 60 years ago When the Jews came from Europe and said that Palestine was their land without prior warning Rachel Corrie Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 – March 16, 2003) was an American member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) who traveled to the Gaza Strip during the Second Intifada. She was killed by a Caterpillar D9R armored bulldozer operated by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during a protest against the destruction of Palestinian homes by the IDF in the Gaza Strip.[1] The details of the events surrounding Corrie's death are disputed. An Israeli military investigation ruled the death was an accident, while many (including the ISM) maintain that Corrie was run over deliberately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie Edited January 18, 2009 by acidhead43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Monkey Posted January 18, 2009 #32 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) It seems no one wants to do that. Everything is always about the poor, sad, crying palistinians. The poor, sad, crying palistinians need to get out and stop hamas from using them as human shields and continually bomb and rocket attack Israel. They vote these people into power and then wonder why they are continuing to do the same violent things they have done for their entire history... Start protesting hamas and make them stop their craziness and Israel wouldnt be an issue. Yep, all this hand-wringing and demonstrating about Israel and ignoring of Hamas will simply embolden and entrench Hamas and lead to a never ending circle of violence. OH FFS! What is wrong with you people that you so easily believe the all this propaganda? Should the palestinians just sit back and accept living in a prison??? Because that's what Israel did after Hamas won a fair and democratic election, an election which we pushed for (thinking that our guys in Fatah would win). Unfortunately for Rice and Bush, the palestinians didn't fall for the american brainwashing and went with the political party not in America's pocket. Is Hamas morally justified for launching rockets into Israel? Of course not, but there will never be a side in this conflict that IS morally justified. It isn't just Israel that 'put the palestinians in a prison', these people are egyptian yet Egypt also maintains the same policy, as do the EU and most other countries. Hamas spent a decade blowing up busses, discos, restaurants and market-places. they single-handedly derailed the peace process and brought Netanyahu and Sharon into power......therefore your argument that they won a free and fair election is in direct opposition to all the poor palestinian outpourings. Which way is it ? They voted for a terrorist organisation to 'continue the resistance' against a country that had completely pulled out of the area but then must be pitied when the government they elected did and do exactly as they said they would. Edited January 18, 2009 by Moon Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsnmbr1 Posted January 18, 2009 #33 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Children are killed on both sides. However the Israelis don't go out of their way to do so. WTF DOES THAT MEAN?!?! Honestly, think about it. They don't go out of their way to kill children. If children happen to be in the area, fine--but they don't go out of their way to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted January 18, 2009 #34 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I am also one of them. But I can't help but wonder if we all talking about the same terrorists? Well Im talking about the United States goverment. Im also talking about the central banking system, as well as big corperations, big oil, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted January 18, 2009 #35 Share Posted January 18, 2009 WTF DOES THAT MEAN?!?! Honestly, think about it. They don't go out of their way to kill children. If children happen to be in the area, fine--but they don't go out of their way to do it! Umm...it means they try to avoid civilian deaths, while groups like Hamas see them a perfectly acceptable targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 18, 2009 #36 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted January 18, 2009 #37 Share Posted January 18, 2009 You. You act as if Hamas is totally indefensible in its actions but that's not the case. They do have a legitimate reason for hating Israel, whether you want to admit it or not. And you act like Hamas don't purposefully target Israeli civilians. I mean come on Gods, it goes both ways. Hamas launces rockets at Israel what did they think was going to happen?! If you poke a lion a bunch of times it will attack you back. It's basic logic, regardless of the reason for the original attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted January 18, 2009 #38 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) WTF DOES THAT MEAN?!?! Honestly, think about it. They don't go out of their way to kill children. If children happen to be in the area, fine--but they don't go out of their way to do it! Hamas sees a building. Launches a rocket regardless of who is inside. Israel sees a building. The building has a Hamas militant inside. Israel realizes there may be civilians in the building. After deliberation Israel takes the necessary precautions to ensure the safety of those civilians, as they are not the enemy. However, sometimes collateral damage happens. There is a difference from blindly attacking a target and trying to minimize civilian casualties. Hamas isn't that concerned with who they kill, as long as they they are Israeli. Edited January 18, 2009 by Bez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 18, 2009 #39 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hamas sees a building. Launches a rocket regardless of who is inside. Israel sees a building. The building has a Hamas militant inside. Israel realizes there may be civilians in the building. After deliberation Israel takes the necessary precautions to ensure the safety of those civilians, as they are not the enemy. However, sometimes collateral damage happens. There is a difference from blindly attacking a target and trying to minimize civilian casualties. Hamas isn't that concerned with who they kill, as long as they they are Israeli. Hamas doesn't know where their home made rockets will land. What they do know is that the rocket landed on what used to be their land. Israel targets a building and after civilians are killed they issue two key statements: 1. Hamas intentionally use civilians as human shields (translation: its Hama's fault--- not ours) 2. We're investigating the incident (translation: see #1.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted January 18, 2009 #40 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hamas doesn't know where their home made rockets will land. What they do know is that the rocket landed on what used to be their land. Are you arguing that randomly shooting rockets is Hamas not attacking blindly? Who is saying that Palestine has no right to exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 18, 2009 #41 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Are you arguing that randomly shooting rockets is Hamas not attacking blindly? Who is saying that Palestine has no right to exist? Question#1. That is another subject all together. Question#2. The little Palestinian boy in the cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted January 18, 2009 #42 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Who is saying that Palestine has no right to exist? Last time I checked...no one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted January 18, 2009 #43 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Question#1. That is another subject all together. So, you and Bez, haven't been talking about whether Hamas is shooting randomly and Israel is not? Question#2. The little Palestinian boy in the cartoon. And I'm sure that little cartoon characters help validate your position. We'll keep in mind where your standard of supporting arguments is at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted January 18, 2009 #44 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hamas doesn't know where their home made rockets will land. What they do know is that the rocket landed on what used to be their land. Israel targets a building and after civilians are killed they issue two key statements: 1. Hamas intentionally use civilians as human shields (translation: its Hama's fault--- not ours) 2. We're investigating the incident (translation: see #1.) This right here is you doing what you do best. Condemning what you hate. Israel kills a civilian and gives reasons (true or not is erroneous. they gave reason) and you complain. Hamas kills a civilian and... kills a civilian... and you disregard it as them taking back their homeland? You cannot disregard half of the truth because it fits what you believe. I'm sure if a renegade group of Native Americans started shooting rockets at your neighborhood you might get a little bit unnerved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 18, 2009 #45 Share Posted January 18, 2009 This right here is you doing what you do best. Condemning what you hate. Israel kills a civilian and gives reasons (true or not is erroneous. they gave reason) and you complain. Hamas kills a civilian and... kills a civilian... and you disregard it as them taking back their homeland? You cannot disregard half of the truth because it fits what you believe. I'm sure if a renegade group of Native Americans started shooting rockets at your neighborhood you might get a little bit unnerved. I am first nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted January 18, 2009 #46 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I am first nation. Seeing as how you and I differ from ethnic background (meaning decendants of immigrants from the eastern hemisphere) I clearly see your point in everything you are saying, however I do not agree. No matter what one of us says, the other will see it through their own eyes only. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Moon Posted January 19, 2009 Author #47 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Moment Let us think of the mind and away from the effects of religion, society and the States Between Hamas and Israel is a terrorist, your view You this clarification Since the beginning of the war in Gaza has ended and the death toll is as follows 1300 Palestinian deaths and there are also 200 injured in serious cases of hospital Among the dead were 200 children While Israel does not exceed Alguetla with 10 people Every day of the war kills 200 to 300 Palestinian deaths and the other hand, does not kill Asirail of only 1 day Israel is bombing the missiles aimed at civilian hospitals, doctors, journalists and destroyed houses on the population Hamas, while the enemy and are aimed at Israeli soldiers who fired the rockets only civilians have nothing to do with Hamas and thus never away from the killing of women and children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Moon Posted January 19, 2009 Author #48 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hamas is not a terrorist movement of resistance against the Israeli enemy Hamas to defend itself and its people and the Palestinian territories Gaza is now a disaster area and the damage at every place of the city, while Israel has not been home for the damage did not kill people If the Hamas terrorist entered on any country, with tanks, missiles The killing of children, women, and the demolition of houses and displacement of people But did not do so When it received the Israeli enemy and became the rocket fire and kill the innocent and had to be to defend itself equally What do you do if you are an enemy that is on your income and then firing missiles and kill you and your people and your land moment Will certainly defend your homeland This is exactly what he will do Hamas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moon Monkey Posted January 19, 2009 #50 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hamas doesn't know where their home made rockets will land. What they do know is that the rocket landed on what used to be their land. That is a cliam only the most fundamentalist of nutcases ( and you ) would make. If they were Bedouin there would be a case, but the Negev was never and never will be 'Hamas land'. Since the beginning of the war in Gaza has ended and the death toll is as follows 1300 Palestinian deaths and there are also 200 injured in serious cases of hospital Among the dead were 200 children While Israel does not exceed Alguetla with 10 people Hamas have directly killed over 700 israeli civilians over the last 12 years in bus bombings and such and also hundreds more by providing assistance to other terrorist groups. On top of this in the last couple of years they have also killed, and I mean murdered, hundreds of fellow palestinians. Of course they still hold a young conscript whom they snatched through one of those tunnels in a cross border raid. Hamas is not a terrorist movement of resistance against the Israeli enemy Hamas to defend itself and its people and the Palestinian territories If the Hamas terrorist entered on any country, with tanks, missiles The killing of children, women, and the demolition of houses and displacement of people But did not do so When it received the Israeli enemy and became the rocket fire and kill the innocent and had to be to defend itself equally What do you do if you are an enemy that is on your income and then firing missiles and kill you and your people and your land moment Will certainly defend your homeland This is exactly what he will do Hamas Holy smoke, I think you actually believe that and nothing I say would make the blindest bit of difference. All I can possibly reply is that if there had been no rocket fire there would have been no israeli incursion. What were Hamas defending themselve against ? Hamas could have spent the last 2 years bridging international gaps, working for the people of Gaza, dealing with the PA, becoming part of the peace-process with the PA president and Egypt that was so close to fruition a few weeks ago and could have discussed further relaxations at borders due to good relations with Egypt. Instead it murdered all opposition, blew holes in the Egyptian border, dug tunnel networks and smuggled rockets in preparation for an israeli incursion that they were desperate to provoke to show their Tehranian masters they are as worth continued support as Hezbollah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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