draconic chronicler Posted January 26, 2009 #51 Share Posted January 26, 2009 (edited) ya but would an animal have the inteligence to say hmmm people are starting to use wepons i better leave to a new spot as drago said once things dont just get up and leave to a new spot they would die of climate and changes of environment.....but that also kinda proves that that could work cause if it did get up and move and then died that would explain why they have never seen it again hmmmm i just stated both sides of the argument DANG!!! Our ancestors stated they taught us agriculture, writing, brought rain, and were considered Gods or assistants to gods all over the world, so their recognizing the danger of firearms after exposure to them for 700 years would not be much of a stretch. Edited January 26, 2009 by draconic chronicler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catutie Posted January 26, 2009 #52 Share Posted January 26, 2009 well thats people....there smarter....most of the time. but animals go completly off instinct and dont think for themselves like humans do so i dont think that it would pick up and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormcrow Posted January 26, 2009 #53 Share Posted January 26, 2009 well thats people....there smarter....most of the time. but animals go completly off instinct and dont think for themselves like humans do so i dont think that it would pick up and leave. Humans are driven by instinct more than you realize, and not all animals are run completely off of it either. They can think for themselves, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catutie Posted January 26, 2009 #54 Share Posted January 26, 2009 well i know that they are run off instict and learned behavior but i didnt think it was that much......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drago Posted January 26, 2009 #55 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Ask a good social anthropologist about how instinct drives humans without them being aware of it. You'll get a good conversation, I can guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catutie Posted January 26, 2009 #56 Share Posted January 26, 2009 wouldnt it be like you had a cup of coffee every morning for a month and at the end of the month you would see yourself getting a cup of coffee without even realizing it...........or is that a learned behavior??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drago Posted January 26, 2009 #57 Share Posted January 26, 2009 That's a learned behavior, and an addiction on top of it. Nothing to do with instinct there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catutie Posted January 26, 2009 #58 Share Posted January 26, 2009 caffeine addiction.............i broke it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted January 26, 2009 Author #59 Share Posted January 26, 2009 No argument. I am providing the most plausible explanation for this specific creature discussed in this thread, if it was indeed really seen, based on the facts we have. I think your problem is with the word "dragon" itself. For example, we have seen that the Maori acknowledged a large, intelligent, carnivorous reptilian entity that protected specific human tribes and enforced them to obey religious taboos. Any anthropologist would classify this as a 'dragon' archetype, and acknowledge its remarkable similarity to similar animals believed in by cultures all over the world. The intelligence that ancient man all over the world acknowldedged these creatures having, very adequately explains why they are still being seen, yet are able to avoid modern attempts to 'capture' them. If they truly exist, they must be intelligent to be able to avoid us, save for the chance sightings still happening around the world. You may notice as well, that I did not introduce the word 'dragon' into this thread. Haha, DC don't act the fool. Surely you know by now that your very prescence in a board causes the word 'dragon' to generate at some point. Okay, good points, it could be a dragon, but lets not debate dragons existence (I know you are not but others surely will) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormcrow Posted January 26, 2009 #60 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I agree, not the place to debate dragons. But, I still think it's a leopard seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catutie Posted January 27, 2009 #61 Share Posted January 27, 2009 ya.....leopard seals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted January 27, 2009 Author #62 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I agree, not the place to debate dragons. But, I still think it's a leopard seal. But it behaves like a crocodile! Looks like a seal, behaves like a croc, but it's not an eel. That;s all I got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted January 27, 2009 Author #63 Share Posted January 27, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilosaurus A very long shot I know, but it is very crocodilian as well as having a "mammalian" sort of face, hence wolf-like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconic chronicler Posted January 27, 2009 #64 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Haha, DC don't act the fool. Surely you know by now that your very prescence in a board causes the word 'dragon' to generate at some point. Okay, good points, it could be a dragon, but lets not debate dragons existence (I know you are not but others surely will) Okay, lets not call it a 'dragon' then. Call it what the Maori did, the Lake Coleridge monster is probably a Taniwha. These native peoples were SUPERB observers of the natural world, (like most native cultures that believed in similar creatures around the world), and they believed these aquatic, man-eating reptiles were intelligent beings. And an intelligent being is really the only explanation for such large creatures to exist, yet constantly elude mankind's attempts to capture them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconic chronicler Posted January 27, 2009 #65 Share Posted January 27, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilosaurus A very long shot I know, but it is very crocodilian as well as having a "mammalian" sort of face, hence wolf-like? Yes, but how would an enormous basilosaurus go unnoticed living for such a long time in the lake, and if it died, why didn't gases from decomposition cause its body to float on the surface and be seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleomenes Posted January 27, 2009 #66 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Okay, lets not call it a 'dragon' then. Call it what the Maori did, the Lake Coleridge monster is probably a Taniwha. These native peoples were SUPERB observers of the natural world, (like most native cultures that believed in similar creatures around the world), and they believed these aquatic, man-eating reptiles were intelligent beings. And an intelligent being is really the only explanation for such large creatures to exist, yet constantly elude mankind's attempts to capture them. I can think of a much more logical and simple explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted January 28, 2009 Author #67 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I can think of a much more logical and simple explanation. As can I. Several in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryptid control Posted January 31, 2009 #68 Share Posted January 31, 2009 it could be sevral differant creatures at differant times.. maybe the bird snaching was a croc (wen crocs come out of the water they have water trailing behind them and it makes them look funny.. maybe the croc ate the seal then swam away.. thats why they disapeared... i think its a seal though.. like ebonykrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted February 1, 2009 Author #69 Share Posted February 1, 2009 it could be sevral differant creatures at differant times.. maybe the bird snaching was a croc (wen crocs come out of the water they have water trailing behind them and it makes them look funny.. maybe the croc ate the seal then swam away.. thats why they disapeared... i think its a seal though.. like ebonykrow That's pretty logical actually, and the croc eating the seal theory is really smart. Great idea man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryMike Posted February 2, 2009 #70 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Crocodiles aren't in New Zealand though. Or is it possible that they could swim all the way through the ocean to get there? Then it would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted February 2, 2009 Author #71 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well New Zealand did have a native crocoedile species, but it is now extinct. Saltwater crocodiles have been known to travel very long distances across water, reaching New Zealand isn't impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryMike Posted February 2, 2009 #72 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well New Zealand did have a native crocoedile species, but it is now extinct. Saltwater crocodiles have been known to travel very long distances across water, reaching New Zealand isn't impossible. Oh makes sense then. And since Leopard Seals travel to New Zealand and Australia. What chances do you think there are that Leopard Seals will get eaten by Saltwater Crocodiles. I mean their in Australia. Anyway Crocodiles sure know how to swim far neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted February 2, 2009 Author #73 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I'm not sure if theirs any evidence of leopard seals being predated by crocodiles, but if they chanced upon each other I certainly believe the croc would make a meal out of a seal (Rhymes are fun ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryMike Posted February 2, 2009 #74 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I'm not sure if theirs any evidence of leopard seals being predated by crocodiles, but if they chanced upon each other I certainly believe the croc would make a meal out of a seal (Rhymes are fun ) Oh well just wondering. Although I though Leopard Seals were aggressive and wouldn't they fight back. Seeing they are vicious. I also know that Great White Sharks will prey on Leopard Seals. So I guess this lake monster maybe just a traveling leopard seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadskeptic Posted February 2, 2009 Author #75 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yeah, I have to admit, I've come to the Leopard Seal thesis side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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