Alien abduction

[Robbo]

No one knows for sure if alien abductions are real or not.

I personally think they are possible, but not probable...if I had the technology to travel thousands of light years, its a safe bet that I also have the medical technology to examine someone without physically removing them from wherever they might be at the time. If the 'aliens' can walk through walls, then they clearly have some form of matter manipulation technology (like star trek's transporter) and therefore could easily insert implants without physical surgery.

If we can take detailed photography of Earth from satellites in orbit with our level of technology, then just think what a more advanced species could do from that distance.

Besides, ET could gain all the information they ever needed about human anatomy etc from the interent, and they could probably download the whole internet in a matter of nanoseconds.

[xris]

I understand the reason for being sceptical but it needs to be from a point of knowledge.It appears that even it was not actual physical abduction these poor souls experience it was more than a lucid dream. I have read those who oppose the notion of abduction and their arguments do not stand up to scrutiny.As one other poster commented read about the subject before you oppose the notion.

[Lilly]

...In Short pick up a book & turn off your tv.

Just because something is in print doesn't make it somehow more sound/valid. For example, David Icke has written books.

BTW, Dr. Sagan has been deceased for quite some time now. Wiki link

[chaoszerg]

Like I said - the so called problem video taping ?? be creative . set security camera's outside the house - view all sides , even above. have a neighbor set up a camera that your friends with. SOMETHING. Wrap double sided tape on your own body , arms , legs...... get dna.

Bubble wrap your entire floor then when those pesky aliens come by you hear them coming and get to have a giggle at the pleasing popping sound.

[Ra_Sun-God]

From this site http://www.ufocasebook.com/Manhattan.html it seems they do not only abduct rednecks from the country, but also people who lives in city.

A pro hypnotiser may be able to find out if these abductees really was abducted.....

[Ra_Sun-God]

I don't doubt that abductions happen. But I think most are bunk.

especially those who claim it happens over and over again.. Video it !!! multiple video camera's for those who'll say they malfunction. Put the camera's in the yard ! at a neighbors ... or friends so your house can be watched. be creative ! put double sided tape on the floor - heck I'd be covering the floor with it . that way you could possibly get some dna. try to scratch them for dna ( supposedly some people try to fight. it doesn't take much to get dna - a few cells)

something that would be more than just your word . anything. but of course............. they won't.

I'm afraid the Greys could be able to shut down cameras by using their "Supernatural" power. Just my theory.

[xris]

Just because something is in print doesn't make it somehow more sound/valid. For example, David Icke has written books.

BTW, Dr. Sagan has been deceased for quite some time now. Wiki link

There is more than just those who support one side. I did not say read those who believe in alien abduction, both sides have valid views that you should be read.Im not advocating blind belief but an open minded debate on the subject.

[TSS]

Carl Sagan has no qualifications or experience in any respect to the alien abduction phenomenon. He's a noisy negativist with armchair theories & no field work or witness & abductee interaction whatsoever. His comments are worthless.

Most of the UFO documentaries out there are garbage, there are plenty of scammers & liars purporting lies & pseudo science for bucks I have no disputes with that. The quality information on UFO's & Alien abductions is in the case studies worked on by qualified individuals who do it philanthropically (Derrel Sims). In Short pick up a book & turn off your tv.

Well I'm no expert on alien abductions but I have read the following books: Abductions - Edith fiore. Abductions - John.E.Mack. Adductions - Ann Andrews & Jean Ritchie. And Close encounters of the Fourth Kind - C.D.B Bryan.

None of these books prove anything.

How are you validating the info contained in the books you read?

[xris]

From this site http://www.ufocasebook.com/Manhattan.html it seems they do not only abduct rednecks from the country, but also people who lives in city.

A pro hypnotiser may be able to find out if these abductees really was abducted.....

I dont believe hypnotism brings out the truth every time.

[xris]

Well I'm no expert on alien abductions but I have read the following books: Abductions - Edith fiore. Abductions - John.E.Mack. Adductions - Ann Andrews & Jean Ritchie. And Close encounters of the Fourth Kind - C.D.B Bryan.

None of these books prove anything.

How are you validating the info contained in the books you read?

So what is your conclusions on these claims ?

[TSS]

So what is your conclusions on these claims ?

I don't have a definitive conclusion, other then it's probably a mixture of things going on. Alien abduction isn't proven whatsoever though.

Edited February 28, 2009 by Sky Scanner

[Ra_Sun-God]

I dont believe hypnotism brings out the truth every time.

Some claimed abductees may be able to cheat the hypnotiser

[xris]

I don't have a definitive conclusion, other then it's probably a mixture of things going on. Alien abduction isn't proven whatsoever though.

I did not ask if it was proven, i dont think its proven but you must have an opinion.

[xris]

Some claimed abductees may be able to cheat the hypnotiser

If we assume that they are all cheating or all mad then we have a duty to prove it but the evidence does not support that proposal.

[TSS]

I did not ask if it was proven, i dont think its proven but you must have an opinion.

Yes, which I've already given.

[xris]

Yes, which I've already given.

You have not, you have just objected to it in principle .The truth is in the detail not the expressions of support or disdain.

[TSS]

You have not, you have just objected to it in principle .The truth is in the detail not the expressions of support or disdain.

No, wrong again. I've disagreed with the alien abduction scenario on the grounds of lack of evidence.

[xris]

No, wrong again. I've disagreed with the alien abduction scenario on the grounds of lack of evidence.

There are thousands of reports by normal sane americans expressing their experiences. If you dont believe they had any experience then you must give a reason why you think they have been so strangely taken with the need to lie.If you think they are mistaken in their interpretation of their experience you must debate that also.Its not a matter of lack of evidence, its if the evidence is valid.

[Hazzard]

If it's in their heads, then it wouldn't leave physical evidence or witnesses or co-participants. Also if it's in their heads, were they to seek medical help, they would be diagnosed.

What physical evidence, and what witnesses!!?? There is none... as most of us know, anecdotal is far from proof.

Like Carl Sagan used to say...

With all the millions of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens, Im surprised their neighbors havent noticed.

Edited February 28, 2009 by hazzard

[xris]

What physical evidence, and what witnesses!!?? There is none... and as most of us know, anecdotal is far from proof.

Like Carl Sagan used to say...

With all the millions of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens, Im surprised their neighbors havent noticed.

How are we to debate a sweeping rhetorical statement such as this ? so its now down to neighbours peeping out their curtains.

[TSS]

There are thousands of reports by normal sane americans expressing their experiences. If you dont believe they had any experience then you must give a reason why you think they have been so strangely taken with the need to lie.If you think they are mistaken in their interpretation of their experience you must debate that also.Its not a matter of lack of evidence, its if the evidence is valid.

Thanks for the lesson in what I must and must not debate

It's not the case that there is one answer to cover all claims, each claim is different and different factors come into play when getting to the bottom of it. Some of the issues that have to be looked at are; cultural, psychological, attention seeking, liars, fraudsters, money making schemes, miss-interpretation of events, missinterpretation of sightings, joining unrelated dots to form a picture that fits with a belief system/or and outcome your familiar with through media outlets and films, leading questions from investigators etc etc etc...

It's not up to me to make the case for any of the above, it's up to the person/s claiming alien abduction or implying evidence for alien abduction to provide irrefutable evidence, to-date that's not provided.

Lets hear your conclusion on what's going on?

[Hazzard]

How are we to debate a sweeping rhetorical statement such as this ? so its now down to neighbours peeping out their curtains.

Debating Dr. Sagans thoughts on the matter, or not...

If you are claiming that aliens are here abducting millions of people, Id like to see some REAL evidence.

Do you have any?

Edited February 28, 2009 by hazzard

[rapid7]

How are we to expect the neighbours to recognise an 'unproven concept' (officially) such as alien abductions?

By the very nature, of the abduction, the aliens.. yes if real, don't exactly want to be noticed.

Unless, we have expectations of a giant flashing saucer shaped UFO above a house.. lit up like a Christmas tree.

Anyway, there's been cases of the neighbours noticing 'bizarre sounds' etc..

Even if they notice the 'aliens, without proof, they're in the same boat as the alien abductee..

Unsubstantiated claim etc..

It's a never ending cycle..

The question should be, has the Military noticed? Considering they have access to relevance equipment.

Well, the best detecting equipment available to the humans..

In regards to the nature of aliens walking through walls, understandably, would suggest it's not happening because as far as we know such a concept is impossible, (as far as we know) of course that can change..

however.. critics of Alien abductions also expect there should be a remarkable extraordinary alien concept.

What could be more extraordinary than walking through walls?

And if you've ever witnessed it, I can assure you it's quite remarkable..

[rapid7]

If the 'aliens' can walk through walls, then they clearly have some form of matter manipulation technology (like star trek's transporter) and therefore could easily insert implants without physical surgery.

Possible, or perhaps they can actually manipulate time&space..

Just speculating... I doubt anyone actually knows how they can pass through walls.

[xris]

Thanks for the lesson in what I must and must not debate

It's not the case that there is one answer to cover all claims, each claim is different and different factors come into play when getting to the bottom of it. Some of the issues that have to be looked at are; cultural, psychological, attention seeking, liars, fraudsters, money making schemes, miss-interpretation of events, missinterpretation of sightings, joining unrelated dots to form a picture that fits with a belief system/or and outcome your familiar with through media outlets and films, leading questions from investigators etc etc etc...

It's not up to me to make the case for any of the above, it's up to the person/s claiming alien abduction or implying evidence for alien abduction to provide irrefutable evidence, to-date that's not provided.

Lets hear your conclusion on what's going on?

You know as well as i that there is no such thing as irrefutable evidence, even well known scientific theories never are they conclusive.We are or should be debatting the evidence that most would consider worthy of debate , not the fraudsters the liars or any of those with mental illness.Those who have opposed it by scientific reasoning have admitted that there are thousands that are worthy of investigation, your sweeping rhetoric replies are from a position of scorn not with any real intention to debate it with an open mind.