PsychicPenguin Posted April 23, 2004 #26 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Noah ark as an exact account is still a physical impossibility And why is that? Because God did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIX Posted April 23, 2004 #27 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Aliens either created us or enslaved us as a slave race previous to 7640 BCE for mining purpouses and when they were done with us they decided it would be best to wipe clean any trace of them being on our planet including the slaves (humans) so they hurled some rocks at us from outer space with the exact trajectory calculated to hit the earth on various oceans in order to cause a massive flood. Fortunatley for us the alien race had opposing views to this action so some of them warned the slaves of what was going to happen and instructed them to build a ship (ark), also giving them the knowledge how. it could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 23, 2004 #28 Share Posted April 23, 2004 a global flood occuring doesn't really validate the divine aspect of the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychicPenguin Posted April 24, 2004 #29 Share Posted April 24, 2004 a global flood occuring doesn't really validate the divine aspect of the story Correct. But again, we always say that "evolution does not disprove God." You willl never be able to prove a divine intervention. This is the 1st law of religious debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Proposer Posted April 24, 2004 #30 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Very .. very nice Venom Evidence 1 is really interesting, as well as evidence 3. Evidence 2.. uhm.. yes there is a sudden rise.. but it happens all the time throughout the data, and the uncertainty seems high. I wonder how the map was constructed. If there was a global flood, it explains a lot of things. 1. Flood myths all arround the world. 2. Atlantis and Lemuria. 3. Who built the sphynx? 4. The begining (or start over?) of civilization arround 4000BC. Off course, Noah ark as an exact account is still a physical impossibility The Tardis could be based on the ark,and we are only just realising the quantum aspects of the universe,God obviously knew this when giving his plans to Noah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychicPenguin Posted April 24, 2004 #31 Share Posted April 24, 2004 Proposer... what the heck are you talking about??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Proposer Posted April 24, 2004 #32 Share Posted April 24, 2004 oh sorry ypou probabaly dont get Dr Who if you are in America. the ark could have used quantum mechanics to fit nore animals into a smaller space than we can understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomshocker Posted April 24, 2004 Author #33 Share Posted April 24, 2004 There is no need for quantum mechanics to fit all the animals into the ark. It was big enough the way it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC09 Posted April 24, 2004 #34 Share Posted April 24, 2004 How did all the animals fit on Noah’s Ark? Yes, Noah did build an Ark! —response to the BBC article ‘Did Noah really build an Ark?’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickma71 Posted April 24, 2004 #35 Share Posted April 24, 2004 The flood also explains lost civilizations, cities emptied with out an obvious reason(war, burned etc.). Extinct animals that could not survive post flood earth. The Bible teaches us that the earth changed to the point that man now needs to eat meat to get all of the needed nutrition, where before hand it wasnt needed. Atlantis... Dinosaurs.... Wooly Mammoth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychicPenguin Posted April 25, 2004 #36 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Err.. extinction of many animal species also tells use that the biblical account of Noah ark is not exact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomshocker Posted April 25, 2004 Author #37 Share Posted April 25, 2004 (edited) Not at all. Many species could have died on the ark. And also many species could have died when they came off the ark, simply because there was not enough food. This could account for all the animals that went extinct around that time. Edited April 25, 2004 by Venomshocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 25, 2004 #38 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Anti-Flood Arguement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomshocker Posted April 25, 2004 Author #39 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Bathory that article really dosent relate to this topic at all. That article is aimed at young earth creationists who believe the earth is only 6000 years old, and the flood accounts for virtually all fossils, including dinosaurs.Young earth creationists commonly believe that Noah's flood happened between 4000BC and 3000BC. The thing is theres no geological eveidence for a worldwide flood at that time. The fact that the geological evidence points to a worldwide flood at 7640B.C. already invalidates the stance of the young earth creationists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 25, 2004 #40 Share Posted April 25, 2004 (edited) it also argues against points relating to animals survival of the flood as well as puts forward some interesting geological points hmmm are there any studies regarding this 7640BC flood? when i google it, in only get references to Uriels Machine (your source) and posts by you... Edited April 25, 2004 by bathory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomshocker Posted April 25, 2004 Author #41 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Sure. If you google: Edith and Alexander Tollmann, you'll find lots of refrences to their work. They are the ones that have compiled most of the evidence for the worldwide flood. In the book Uriel's Machine, there are also multiple refrences to researchers who report apparent 'anomolies' in the geological record, dated to circa.7000-8000BC that can rationaly be explained by a worldwide flood. So there are alot more studies and geological evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillcrazy Posted April 25, 2004 #42 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Hate to break it to every one, but according to the bible, Noah took more than two of each animal, there were three couples plus one. Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Because the clean were for sacrifice to God; and therefore, in honor to him, more of them were preserved, three couples for breeding, and the odd seventh for sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 25, 2004 #43 Share Posted April 25, 2004 heh Stillcrazy, is that even worth arguing? especially when they will happily butcher all the species into kinds just so they can try and fit them onto a big old floating log:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillcrazy Posted April 25, 2004 #44 Share Posted April 25, 2004 (edited) Without trying to offend anyone's beliefs, I only posted the information as I kept seeing too many folks misquoting the bible. Opinion is one thing, but have facts to justify your opinion. As for my beliefs, they are just that, my beliefs. (Note: Genisis 7:2 was quoted from Websters Bible, but was cross checked with twenty three other versions and all state the same verse.) If interested in downloading free bibles and other Christian related bible material. Web Site. This link is posted for research purposes only and not an endorsement by me or the good folks here at UM. If the Admins or Mods feel the link is not politically correct, feel free to remove it and ban me for a few days. If your going to quote, do it with style. Edited April 25, 2004 by stillcrazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC09 Posted April 25, 2004 #45 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. This is refering to the clean animals for sacrifice. Of course he would take more than just 1 pair of each of clean animal for sacrifice or there wouldn't be any left to reproduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcard890 Posted April 25, 2004 #46 Share Posted April 25, 2004 they found noahs arc in some moutain...im pretty sure they did at least. And there are animals that could of evolved so he technically wouldn't of taken 2 of every animal or he mighta took 2 of everyanimal that lied at that time and they just evolved into what they are now...vthink about that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC09 Posted April 25, 2004 #47 Share Posted April 25, 2004 No matter where you live, if you haven’t already heard about it, the promoters and the media have been making sure you will. What then is the massive boat-shaped formation which rests at 6,300 feet above sea level in Eastern Turkey, about 12–15 miles (15–24 kilometres) from the summit of Greater Mount Ararat? The Main Claims at a Glance True/False? Radar shows man-made (boat) structure..........FALSE There is a regular metallic pattern............FALSE Lab tests show petrified laminated wood........FALSE Turkish scientists found metal rods............FALSE Metal artefacts have been proved by lab........FALSE There are 'ship's ribs' showing................FALSE There is lots of petrified wood................FALSE Turkish Commission says 'it's a boat...........FALSE Amazing ‘Ark’ Exposé — Could this be Noah’s Ark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychicPenguin Posted April 25, 2004 #48 Share Posted April 25, 2004 (edited) OK.. so the thing on Mt. Ararat is not the Noah Ark... but I have another theory... What If.... The original Noah Ark story was written to explain the Mt. Ararat formation?? Edited April 25, 2004 by PsychicPenguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venomshocker Posted April 25, 2004 Author #49 Share Posted April 25, 2004 Genesis 8:4 says that the Ark landed on 'the mountains of Ararat', not specifying this particular mountain. There are other mountains in the region with traditions of being the Ark's resting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted April 27, 2004 #50 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Not to spoil your fun, but this couldnt have been Noahs flood. Why? It was before the time of Noah, AND, wasnt it proven there was no "worldly" flood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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