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DfizzleShizzle
It is not the same concept. To send and receive radio signals requires specialised equipment, equipment we designed and understand. We have no such mechanism with which to achieve the same in our brains. Whilst the brain is unimaginably complicated in its entirety we do understand, for all intents and purposes, how it works. We may not be able to replicate a human brain artificially but we know that it has no mechanism by which to manipulate objects outside of it.

Physics does not allow it. Blimey, common sense doesn't allow it!

Instincts? How do birds know where to fly south to for the winter? How to survive? How did the first humans know how to have sex? Couldn't this instincts we have recieve other things too?

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Papaver

The things you talk of do not operate outside of known laws. It has been shown that some migratory birds have metal called magnetite in their brains.

"A recent discovery of bird navigation comes from Cornell University where William T. Keeton of Cornell discovered that pigeons (and some bees) have trace amounts of magnetite in their brain tissue. Magnetite is a compound of iron and oxygen which apparently makes the birds aware of north south magnetic orientation. Keeton released blindfolded homing pigeons which immediately found their way home. But when he released the same birds with small magnets attached to their necks, the magnets seemed to affect the birds navigational ability and the birds became disoriented."

Here is a publication on the study...

www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/ gem-projects/hm/0506-1-28-Bird_Navigation.pdf

Again, you are in the territory of considering how these claimed psi abilities work. I'll state it again - they are not even accepted to exist let alone the mechanism worked out or even worth considering. One hurdle, the proof that the phenomena is a phenomena at all, has not been jumped yet otherwise we'd be beyond debating this point and into the more interesting subject of "how and why".

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Paranormalcy

All these "kenesii" seem pretty cheesy to me (cassiokinesis anyone?), and are all effectively wholly unsubstantiated bastardizations of categories and divisions theorized by early pioneers researchers in the fringe-science field of psi, J.B. Rhine and his work at Duke University being the most modern and scientific examples, though to take nothing away from early psychical researchers.

I personally believe there is some evidence for some basic kinds of psi - telepathy, clairvoyance, "psychic" healing, precognition, psychokinesis - but I think these things are all extremely inconstant and spontaneous, certainly nothing that can currently be "harnessed" and used at will, nor with any degree of practical control or reliability. Even the meticulous statistics-laden reports of the somewhat tame ESP work of J.B. Rhine and his wife Louisa, is still not accepted by "science" in general as any sort of validation of psi, an it's not getting any better with so many people jumping on the bandwagon claiming to have every pseudo-"kinesis" ability that can be named using Latin.

So while I can appreciate psi may exist or be encountered in some rare instances, the idea of any sort of "everyday" performance of a particular "ability" is astronomically unlikely, and such exaggerated and irresponsible claims to the contrary only make the entire field more laughable and unbelievable to those who might otherwise be open-minded enough to at least consider the possibility.

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bleedingelite
None of the things that have occured in the modern age that would have been unthinkable one hundred years ago defy the laws of physics.

Your psi claims do defy known laws and that makes the nature of what you claim very different.

Actually, funnily enough, a lot of the things we know about now absolutely defy classic physics. We have a whole seperate set of physics now for the behaviour of subatomic particles.

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DfizzleShizzle

Thats what I was saying...

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20SEP2008
Actually, funnily enough, a lot of the things we know about now absolutely defy classic physics. We have a whole seperate set of physics now for the behaviour of subatomic particles.

Shoot two twin photons in opposite directions. Alter the one going left, and the one going right changes.

Shoot a photon into a substance with a particular index of refraction and observe that the photon ends up leaving the end of the substance before it enters the substance.

lol....

There are some quirky things with the really really really small bits and pieces of our universe. :D

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Mahtu
Yes, and the discoveries made as well as the abilities being done, will be through technological advancements.

One day you might be able to have a synthetic chip placed in your brain that will alter the way you can control things.

Well I happen to be a licensed psychologist who has studied the human brain extensively and all of these things make sense to me. (Of course it helps that I've used aero before.) I'm not claiming to be superhuman. On the contrary, I think that every person on earth has a more powerful mind than they think, since the average human uses only 10 percent. If anything, a chip implanted would unlock the potential that's already there, helping people achieve their potential more easily. But that does NOT mean that it's impossible to do it without technology.

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Mahtu
All these "kenesii" seem pretty cheesy to me (cassiokinesis anyone?), and are all effectively wholly unsubstantiated bastardizations of categories and divisions theorized by early pioneers researchers in the fringe-science field of psi, J.B. Rhine and his work at Duke University being the most modern and scientific examples, though to take nothing away from early psychical researchers.

I personally believe there is some evidence for some basic kinds of psi - telepathy, clairvoyance, "psychic" healing, precognition, psychokinesis - but I think these things are all extremely inconstant and spontaneous, certainly nothing that can currently be "harnessed" and used at will, nor with any degree of practical control or reliability. Even the meticulous statistics-laden reports of the somewhat tame ESP work of J.B. Rhine and his wife Louisa, is still not accepted by "science" in general as any sort of validation of psi, an it's not getting any better with so many people jumping on the bandwagon claiming to have every pseudo-"kinesis" ability that can be named using Latin.

So while I can appreciate psi may exist or be encountered in some rare instances, the idea of any sort of "everyday" performance of a particular "ability" is astronomically unlikely, and such exaggerated and irresponsible claims to the contrary only make the entire field more laughable and unbelievable to those who might otherwise be open-minded enough to at least consider the possibility.

Well, I do agree with the fact that too many people falsely claim to be able to use every named power in the book, but the reason for subcategories and manipulation of elements being differently named is because different types of matter move in different ways and must be manipulated in different ways, just like a fan is better for moving air than a hand. And any activity of the human brain can be practiced and harnessed if continued with enough repitition, so don't try to tell me what's impossible.

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Mahtu
Shoot two twin photons in opposite directions. Alter the one going left, and the one going right changes.

Shoot a photon into a substance with a particular index of refraction and observe that the photon ends up leaving the end of the substance before it enters the substance.

lol....

There are some quirky things with the really really really small bits and pieces of our universe. :D

Yeah, dude. All particles that once affected each other remain in an entangled state and immediately affect each other even over vast distances, and all subatomic particles are constantly in superposition until they are forced to land on a singularity by an observer.

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Papaver
Actually, funnily enough, a lot of the things we know about now absolutely defy classic physics. We have a whole seperate set of physics now for the behaviour of subatomic particles.

Yes I will concede that. There is however a massive leap in saying that these strangenesses have a link to psi abilities. For example, these quantum weirdnesses do make mathmatical sense. They just fly in the face of our common sense but they are consistent with the equations and the quantum effects are predictable and consistent.

On the contrary, I think that every person on earth has a more powerful mind than they think, since the average human uses only 10 percent.

Not that old "10%" chestnut. That claim is entirely and demonstrably untrue and is often being used as a reason to back up claims.

"Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore.

This is a false assumption. What is correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our brains.

"It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and uses 20 percent of the body's energy.

Although it's true that at any given moment all of the brain's regions are not concurrently firing, brain researchers using imaging technology have shown that, like the body's muscles, most are continually active over a 24-hour period. "Evidence would show over a day you use 100 percent of the brain," says John Henley, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. "

Please see the full article - http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=people...ercent-of-brain

I wish people would stop trotting out that claim as a reason for the possibilty of the existence of PSI abilities.

For example, look at what happens to people when only a very small area of the brain is damaged, by stroke for example. Whilst it is possible for other parts of the brain to "step up to the plate" and compensate for loss this is in no way saying that 90% of the brain is not being tapped or being used at certain times for many different processes.

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DfizzleShizzle
Yes I will concede that. There is however a massive leap in saying that these strangenesses have a link to psi abilities. For example, these quantum weirdnesses do make mathmatical sense. They just fly in the face of our common sense but they are consistent with the equations and the quantum effects are predictable and consistent.

Not that old "10%" chestnut. That claim is entirely and demonstrably untrue and is often being used as a reason to back up claims.

"Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore.

This is a false assumption. What is correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our brains.

"It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and uses 20 percent of the body's energy."

Please see the full article - http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=people...ercent-of-brain

I wish people would stop trotting out that claim as a reason for the possibilty of the existence of PSI abilities.

For example, look at what happens to people when only a very small area of the brain is damaged, by stroke for example. Whilst it is possible for other parts of the brain to "step up to the plate" and compensate for loss this is in no way saying that 90% of the brain is not being tapped or being used at certain times for many different processes.

But because you agree that the laws nows, contradict with older laws of physics, doesn't that mean, thta we could make a discovery in the future, that supports the evidence of psi?

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Papaver

I agree that it is indeed possible.

What I am concerned with, as I explained before, is not with how it works but rather that it works at all. We do not have that evidence. Don't you see why I and others find it so important that you get properly tested, and subsequently become so frustrated that nobody will be properly tested?

If your abilities are real you and the other claimants are doing a very big disservice to the world and it gets us pretty wound up - as you may have noticed.

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DfizzleShizzle

I know, I am currently starting work with Eight-Bit, for a telepathy test...Don't know if you read my statistics thread, but I had done a tets with my friend, he would think of numbers, and I would try to get them....numbers 1-10...We did 10 runs, and I got 6 right...I was checking to see what the chances were of getting 6/10 right, just by chance...Eight-Bit said it was like 1082 or something like that....But asked If I'd participate in a controlled esp test with him..I agreed, so I guess I'll start on that soon...And omg I just relized my vids due tommorow crap...Ok see yah people...

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potter65

I am:

Aerokinetik :sleepy:

An Aura Reader :w00t:

Can talk to squirrels :sk

And a Prophecist :blink:

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hecate
I am:

Aerokinetik

An Aura Reader

Can talk to squirrels

And a Prophecist

wtf.

Lord of the Squirrels, you are insane or have been indulging in too many Harry Potter induced fantasies.

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