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New Spanish PM to Withdraw Troops from Iraq ASAP


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Spain's new prime minister, José Luis Zapatero, says he intends to withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops from Iraq as soon as possible. The new prime minister wasted no time in making the decision.

One day after formally taking office and hours after most of his cabinet was sworn in, Prime Minister Zapatero announced on Spanish television Sunday that he has ordered his new defense Minister, José Bono, to take the necessary measures to withdraw Spanish troops deployed in Iraq in the shortest time and with the greatest security possible.

After his Socialist Party's election last month, Mr. Zapatero said he would pull Spanish troops from Iraq unless they come under U.N. command by June 30. In his remarks Sunday, the prime minister explained why he was acting more quickly. "He said that on the basis of information gathered over the past several weeks, there was no indication that the U.N. would adopt a resolution meeting the conditions he had set for the continued deployment of Spanish troops in Iraq," he said.

However, Mr. Zapatero, who said he would appear before parliament on Monday to explain his decision, was careful to underline that Spain would continue to be a faithful member of its alliances and would meet its commitments in carrying out international missions of peace and security.

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damn, perhaps i should go to spain and threaten the spanish people with death and destruction if they don't give me 10 billion dollars:)

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I suppose that whilst i was against the war in Iraq now that we're there we cant just leave because of the terrorists.

Now everytime theres a major western event the terrorists will attack is becaus ethey think we'll just give in.

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I suppose that whilst i was against the war in Iraq now that we're there we cant just leave because of the terrorists.

Now everytime theres a major western event the terrorists will attack is becaus ethey think we'll just give in.

You can't say that wunarm! You just can't step out there like that and start agreeing with me!! What will people think? tongue.gif

Actually you are indeed correct. Good one. thumbsup.gif

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While I don't have a particularly interesting opinion about the Spanish PM's decision, I'd just like to post this reply under joc's for purposes of avatar comparison.

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laugh.gif well yours is scarier but joc made mine so hmmm whistling2.gif
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What a way for a president to start his term, by making his first act capitulation to terrorism.

Bathory, you bring up a good point, and I'm sure that the terrorists have noted it as well. Zapatero has just effectively told them that he and the SPanish people are at thier disposal, so long as they don't carry out any more attacks.

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While I don't have a particularly interesting opinion about the Spanish PM's decision, I'd just like to post this reply under joc's for purposes of avatar comparison.

Yes, I see. Very interesting. What could this mean?

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I agree with you bathory. Spain has made it hard on the rest of us with their cowardly act. They have fallen right into the hands of the terrorists.

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heh

Spain, the france of the 21st Century!

imagine, if Dr Evil had just threatened Spain instead of the whole world, the Austin Powers movies would hav been really short

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heh

Spain, the france of the 21st Century!

imagine, if Dr Evil had just threatened Spain instead of the whole world, the Austin Powers movies would hav been really short

lets see...89 % of the population was against the war in Irak...masive manifestations were made against the war....the other president was a lap dog of Bush and Blair....now the new president only gave to the people what people wants, his sons and daughters out of an innecesari war...

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heh

Spain, the france of the 21st Century

What exactly is that meant to mean bathory?

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What exactly is that meant to mean bathory?

purely tongue in cheek:)

lets see...89 % of the population was against the war in Irak...masive manifestations were made against the war....the other president was a lap dog of Bush and Blair....now the new president only gave to the people what people wants, his sons and daughters out of an innecesari war...

all they have managed to do is show that they can be pushed around by extremist group

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all they have managed to do is show that they can be pushed around by extremist group

whilst im not too keen on your comment about the french tongue in cheek or not i have to agree with you.

The fact is i think the war was wrong , however the time for giving in was before the war , the fact they have pulled out now especially after a terrorist attack will have the terrorists rubbing their hands.

Theyll think they acn do that to any european country at anytime.

I just hope the same thing doesnt happen during our elections.

A tory government is the last we need. grin2.gif

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I just hope the same thing doesnt happen during our elections.

A tory government is the last we need.

Agreed wunarmd, had enough of those idiots to last a lifetime.

However, as you know, we never bow to terrorism and I don't think a terrorist outrage in our country would dim the resolve of our people to stand up to these thugs.

What I admire most about the Brits is the fact that although many, like you and me, were against the war, we know that we are now in this for the long haul and we never cave.

All we can do now is take our medicine.

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Cowards....your either part of the solution or with the terrorists....as far as im concerned if your not with us your against us and should be considered the enemy.

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as far as im concerned if your not with us your against us and should be considered the enemy.

Really? What would you suggest then?

Nuking Spain, or are you up for another invasion (I'm sure they have some WMD's hidden away somewhere and if not we can claim they were smuggled into Portugal).

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lets see...89 % of the population was against the war in Irak...masive manifestations were made against the war....the other president was a lap dog of Bush and Blair....now the new president only gave to the people what people wants, his sons and daughters out of an innecesari war...

Maybe, but, then why were the socialists expected to lose the election? If they had been running on an anti-war platform, it would have been a little more plausible that they would win, and then withdraw troops. If the 3/11 attacks had been carried out by Basque nationalists, as originally thought, you might not have seen the outcry against the Spanish government for thier involvement in Iraq.

IN any case perception is everything. Myself and a good portion of the world, possibly including terrorists, feel that Spain withdrew the troops from Iraq to prevent future terrorist attacks. That's capitulation and nothing more.

It also sends a message that "hey, by threatening the use of force against Spain, we can bend it's government to our will. It's easy to see why president Zapatero made the moves he did, but in doing so, has basically traded a certain amount of liberty for another of safety.

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In the end, Spain is an interesting situation, population was against war, Aznar went for it anyway. Now his successors has to do what people elected him for withdraw troups but at the same time he looks like he's backing up against terrorists. It's a hard call. In the end they choose to go by the UN like everyone should have done in the first place.

Soon US will have an election, what if Kerry is elected ? He will have to face the same situation (although the US people against war are much less the spanish ones probably because of the huge desinformation that took place).

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Edit; saywhat?, don't bother registering to the forum if your only contribution is going to be a childish retort. MM Edited by Magikman
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I wonder if (god forbid) a terrorist attack in America would sway the election. I think Bush is going to lose, but it something were to happen right before the election that might change.

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I think Bush is going to lose

You are completely out of touch with the American Populace. If Bush doesn't defeat Kerry in a landslide I will buy you lunch! laugh.gif

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as far as im concerned if your not with us your against us and should be considered the enemy. 

Really? What would you suggest then?

Nuking Spain, or are you up for another invasion (I'm sure they have some WMD's hidden away somewhere and if not we can claim they were smuggled into Portugal).

All he was saying is that we are at war and you either want to win the war or give into the terrorists. Stamford...in all seriousness...I understand you know much, much more about terrorism than anyone in my country....I truly am sorry for what you guys lived through every day of your lives with the IRA. Please understand that we don't know what it is like. We don't know and we don't want to know. For the USA 911 wasn't the beginning but it must be the end. And please, please, in all seriousness, please don't make the mistake of comparing these Islamist Extremists to the IRA. They hate you with a passion. They hate your mother. They hate your father. They hate your sisters and your brothers. They hate your children and they will hate your childrens children. They don't want to be understood. They want to kill you. They want to kill Western Civilization. What they will do left unchecked is exactly what you proposed tongue in cheek. They want to nuke Spain and they very well may do exactly that. They want to nuke England and they may. They want to nuke Scotland and they want to nuke the United States.

Sadaam was deep into the Terrorist waters. We simply cannot allow any rogue regime to ride rough-shod over the UN.

So what he is saying is that if you are not for us, (and that is a small caps 'us' meaning you Stamford, and me, not a Big Cap US meaning the USA,) you are against us.

I have raddled on here to long but truly we must, as a world. put away our left, right agendas and destroy these MFs before they do us all in.

Peace, Out

joc

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Kerry was out front for a while, but now Bush has like a 4 percent lead in the polls. But then again, who cares about the American populace anway, Bush LOST the popular vote last round.

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I have raddled on here to long but truly we must, as a world. put away our left, right agendas and destroy these MFs before they do us all in.

Peace, Out

joc

Does the irony of that quote strike anyone else as ridiculous? Kill 'em all!! Peace out, yo. laugh.gif

Sure why not? Let's just kill all the Islamic extremists. Surely America's history of sponsoring corrupt and oppressive regimes, U.S. foreign policy in Israel, the current conditions in Iraq, etc., etc. play absolutely no role in allowing them to recruit new members. So if we just keep killing them, eventually they'll all be dead and we won't have anything to worry about. thumbsup.gif

(end of obnoxious sarcasm)

War is almost never the answer. Violence just breeds more violence. Dear God, when will history and compassion ever teach us these lessons?

And, yes, I am aware that Saddam was a ruthless dictator who committed genocide against his own people. And I agree that he should have been dealt with. But he was our buddy 15 years ago despite his atrocious treatment of the Kurds. Why? Because it was financially and politically advantageous for the U.S. at the time. God forbid we sacrifice money and power (in the form of a huge military budget) to send aid and diplomats to help despondent people before things spin out of control. But then he threatened our interests in Kuwait and we couldn't have that. Once Kuwait was safe, though, it was just another beautiful day Mr. Hussein's neighborhood. Now, all of a sudden Saddam has WMD's, and the only solution is to bomb and shoot the crap out of Iraq, killing thousands of civilians and military personnel, leaving their relatives to grieve and eventually grow to hate us. Brilliant. But wait? Where are those WMD's. I want the truth. I also want to live in a world where people peacefully resolve their differences, where everyone has access to adequate food, shelter and clean water, where those who commit despicable acts are held accountable, and where a life matters more than money. None of that is likely anytime soon. But we should try anyway.

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very nice permakid, unfortunately people think they need supreme control and can't stop thinking that somethings going to jump out at them from the shadows... so we go to war to try and eliminate the things in the shadows that were never there, you know except some wars that were nessecary such as ww2 ww1 etc etc

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